The Nineteenth Byte

There should be a "flag as funny" reason, available to 792+ rep users, that notifies all 792+ users (opt-out-able)

Pending flags on SO. I never want to be a mod there

i've heard from places that apparently so mods celebrate when they get their flag count down to 3 digits

a mod told me there were 1126 flags shown in the top bar (as of a couple of days ago) and the actual count is higher because some flags get collapsed together

as of december 5th there were 7.2 million flags with an average handling time of 1d 8h 49m

which is actually lower than our all-time flag handling, though that's mostly because doorknob was the only mod for almost/over a year and unlike SO, we actually cleared all of those which each added several months to the timer lol

@cairdcoinheringaahing meta.stackexchange.com/a/2678/361699

the table contains close/reopen flags lol

flags and votes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

so i guess that explains some things. not sure about the creation date; maybe you could ask on MSE if you're interested (and it hasn't been asked)

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing I even managed to outgolf that answer and I was using Retina, so...

3:20 PM

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, they're all reopen votes. I'm guessing from the SO query (which shows 21170 flags all raised at exactly 00:00:00 UTC) that it just logs them at the start/end of each new day

@cairdcoinheringaahing Finally, I'm in the top 10 list for something, even if it's just because I have a bunch of low-effort APL answers :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing nah, SO users just all coordinated together to raise 21 thousand flags all at the exact same time :P

yeah i'm guessing that's what happens

you know what, i think those are flags for the time bomb koth

which is at 4/5 to reopen btw

What?!

@hyper-neutrino If SO users could coordinate that well, flags would be the least effective thing they could do :P

If it gets reopened I'm VTCing it as the dupe of the other one

It's a half-dupe of two posts

3:22 PM

@hyper-neutrino Meaning it currently has more RO votes than CV votes :P

It should not be open

what's the other one, smallest unique number?

Yep

ok, added that to the dupe list

it still might get reopened in which case it'll probably just get closed again

and if the votes keep going back and forth i'll have to lock it and raise it on meta

@RedwolfPrograms I don't think you can. Pretty sure that you can only cast a single VTC and a single VTRO on a question

3:24 PM

^ believe so, forgot about that

:/

You could always cast a delete vote :P

I guess we just have to rely on people not bandwagon VTRing

don't think you can delete vote something with +5 score

It has been on 4/5 for 4 days now, the votes will decay in a couple more days

3:26 PM

That's good

They do that?

7 days IIRC to decay (might be 14, can never remember)

What exactly does decaying do? Erase them, halve them, or something else?

It just removes the votes I think

Oh ok

3:26 PM

can decayed votes be recast?

Removes them one by one after a certain amount of time

what else decays other than CV/ROVs? i think LQ/comment flags also decay if not handled for long enough, but i'm not sure about that

VTDs

That bumped the question :/

bruh

3:28 PM

> Close votes age away harmlessly if the threshold is not reached after a number of days. If the question has at least 100 views, close votes will age away after 4 days; otherwise close votes will age away after 14 days. Each new close vote resets the timer, so all close votes must be at least 4 or 14 days old respectively before aging occurs.

212 views

didn't realize that editing the dupe list would actually go onto revision lol

Yeah, it's a similar thing to rollbacks, in that it bumps them, but it doesn't create the (1) thing for the active page

You have to manually reload the page to see it

6 views away from a gold badge :P

nobody view that /s

it's actually one of the questions i'm currently designing language features around to be able to solve :P since it has two main approaches that are both good to have in a golfing language IMO

@hyper-neutrino View what? I need to see what I shouldn't view

3:32 PM

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, the split-on-# vs iterate through approaches have been interesting to see

Vyxal managed to save like 10 bytes by switching to splitting

Does SQL have float types?

Yes

haven't decided what characters i want to use for digraphs yet

Top tag wiki editors, along with what percentage of the tag wikis they've edited. Meta version

i see a slight outlier in the second one. hmmmmmmmm

There's only 3 users in the second one :P

3:35 PM

500 reputation for a nonempty ;# quine :P

pretty sure that's impossible

That's impossible

Hang on, 14 bytes for Vyxal? I get 10 in a golflang I'm working on.

10 reputation for a proof that it's impossible

any non-empty ;# program is strictly longer than its output right?

Yes

3:36 PM

or correction

Except for the only # programs

^

> Viewed 10,000 times

\o/

Cool that I got it on exactly 10k :P

I should add an option to question reception to make it show the exact count

@Wezl assume it's possible. then, output must start with either ; or #. therefore, the program must start with ; (otherwise it would output 0-byte). the output is equal to the number of #. therefore, the program has at least one more character than its output length. therefore, it is not a quine. contradiction

3:38 PM

:O awarded :P

CMC: Implement SHashes. SHashes is ;#, but you run the interpreter on the "output" of the program until it reaches a program with no #s in

So ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;#;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;# -> ;# -> \x01

Updated question reception to show exact view counts, can be disabled

3:58 PM

Anyone here willing to volunteer to downvote a specific one of my challenges?

Sure, why?

I'm getting close to 12k and don't want a screenshot of 12002 :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Where is the spec for ;#?

@Adám Here

@RedwolfPrograms There you go, downvoted one I Mjolnir'd :P

Thanks (I know which one already because I think I've only got one that's been dupe hammered by you :p)

I'm one edit away from Strunk & White

Not to be confused with Strunk/White :p

4:03 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing APL, 34: (⎕UCS 127|1⊥¨';'='#'∘≠⊆⊢)⍣{~'#'∊⍺} Try it online!

@Adám This fails if the program has trailing ; not followed by a #

@cairdcoinheringaahing In what way? I didn't ask the clarifying question, if we should always run ;# at least once.

@Adám For example, it'll output ;# for ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;#;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;#;;;. If there were enough trailing ;s that would affect the final output. Yes, the input should be run at least once

Jelly, 12 bytes: ṣ”#ṖẈỌµ”#e$¿

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't understand then.

4:09 PM

oh wait this isn't valid

in case an intermediate step contains things other than ;#

ṣ”#Ṗċ€”;Ọµ”#e$¿ should work

@Adám What doesn't make sense? The # is what outputs in a ;# program, so if there are only two #s, the output should only be 2 characters. SHashes is essentially just repeated application of the ;# interpreter on the output, it's nothing "new"

@hyper-neutrino You're missing a %127

;-;

ṣ”#Ṗċ€”;%127Ọµ”#e$¿

;# can translate to brainfuck where ; is + and # is . and anything else is a no-op but there's also the %127

@hyper-neutrino -1 byte

oh i was thinking i'd need e@ for that. didn't know w existed lol

this just looks wrong

i don't really hate ubuntu but this just doesn't look correct lol

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, my four years old ;# implementation in APL is wrong :-(

4:16 PM

in ubuntu the website fonts don't appear like this (for me at least)

@hyper-neutrino which ubuntu version are you using

20.04.2 LTS

@Wasif It hasn't been implemented yet

oh I see

Aaron Miller

@RedwolfPrograms Vyxal, 10 bytes

Oh, didn't see that

Wait, Roboto

Did they do the change?

Time to activate Custom Fonts

Aaron Miller

4:23 PM

I just now golfed it down to 10.

@RedwolfPrograms Yep, looks like it

Oh, okay

eh... just now the fonts changed

looks terribly bad

Download Custom Fonts then :p

Just uncomment lines 26 and 27

@RedwolfPrograms ok thx

4:26 PM

@all does this still work?

looks fine to me

Looks like the font changes haven't applied to codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/tags

Or chat

Chat won't be affected

It doesn't use --ff-sans

@cairdcoinheringaahing looks like it changed to me

It doesn't even use Arial

Or any of the same fonts

4:29 PM

@Wezl Including the tag wikis?

yes

Huh. Doesn't look different to me, even after disabling Custom Fonts and the gradscript

@cairdcoinheringaahing 37 then.

Makonede

@Wasif came here just to mention that. it's horrible

5 mins ago, by Redwolf Programs

Download Custom Fonts then :p

Makonede

4:31 PM

ik but still it's pretty bad

It should look the exact same if you uncomment 26 and 27

Should I make a meta post with Custom Fonts?

Might as well, people are sure to complain

Any feedback?

@hyper-neutrino Can mods remove featured MM questions from the sidebar, or is it just questions featured on the site meta?

I don't think so; another mod also does not think so

Shame; it'd be nice to remove the 3 vote closure post and free up a sidebar slot, given that it doesn't apply to us

yeah.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Q: Custom Fonts User Script: Revert or Improve the Font Updates

4:42 PM

0

Recently, Stack Exchange decided to switch to system fonts. For those of you who prefered the old appearance, or would like a different font to appear in code blocks or across the site as a whole, Custom Fonts is a user script I wrote this morning to allow just that. Features Custom Fonts allows ...

Includes presets with Arial and Roboto

@RedwolfPrograms shouldn't this be an Meta SE post

entire SE network can need it

this doesn't seem to work for popup boxes like inbox for example

i'd've put it on MSE too

Also doesn't work for the search bar, or the topbar

@hyper-neutrino then it will be nice

i shared your messages in TL and the one person who looked at it seems to like it

4:43 PM

Ugh, those force the font rather than using var(--ff-sans)

bruh

that's cringe

also doesn't work for rep (seems that the entire top bar is forced)

Guess I know what I'm spending half an hour doing

@hyper-neutrino Ninja'd

>:-c

ironically i originally noticed this issue due to redwolf posting about the userscript :P

→ 1 message moved to Trash

4:51 PM

why this message was moved to Trash?

Ew, new fonts look terrible.

Working on a fix for the search bar and inbox, broke something though

@Wasif Because Redwolf posted it earlier

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh i see

well is there any point of letting users post message in the trash box?

yes

if you can't send messages you can't move trash into it

4:54 PM

Trash is for any RO to send any Trash to

We have our own Trash, but I forgot about that

@Wasif people can also theoretically continue off-topic conversations there if they want

@Wezl thats nice

although usually if there's a conversation that's ongoing but off-topic i'll move it to a new room

if it's ongoing but bad overall and should be stopped i'll just tell people to stop and trash it, or if it's stopped but should be removed for clutter, trash as well

tnb has a topic?

@ngn not at all

4:56 PM

More like it has a bunch of "not allowed" topics :P

"General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com" kind of

At least Chat doesn't seem affected by the font degradation.

TNB is like, never actually on-topic to its room topic

I reckon it is about 25% of the time

May 1 at 2:01, by rak1507

it may be one of the most active in terms of messages, but it's one of the least active in terms of brain activity

this might be the reason of off topic ness

4:57 PM

waffles

Ugh SE is overriding my font choices because they have their own !importants >:|

lol

Got it working by being childish

did you delete their importants

try using more specific css selectors

4:59 PM

I just inserted html before each one lol

.-.

It makes it slightly more specific

@cairdcoinheringaahing we can be both smart and foolish at the same time

Updated

Links are in meta post

Should I delete and move to Mother Meta?

sure

5:04 PM

You can just post another one on MM

No need to delete

\o/ (also yeah i'd say just post another)

Q: Custom Fonts User Script: Revert or Improve the Font Updates

0

Recently, Stack Exchange decided to switch to system fonts. For those of you who prefered the old appearance, or would like a different font to appear in code blocks or across the site as a whole, Custom Fonts is a user script I wrote this morning to allow just that. Features Custom Fonts allows ...

discussion userscript

because I already pasted the link to someone

it's not really any clutter lol

Now I have to update seven locations whenever I make a change lol

5:05 PM

Given the font backlash, prepare for upvotes :P

Three already :p

inb4 repcap in 10 minutes

@RedwolfPrograms you should just have it link to your site and then have your site redirect to the newest version so you only need to update that one place each time :P

if you have a site/server (you have one just in your basement/home right?)

You could also publish it on StackApps and get even more network rep :P

+6 already wow

what is stackapps about?

my god +7 no no +8 in 2 mins

5:07 PM

Stack Exchange based applications, such as userscripts, browser extensions etc.

was gonna say apps for stack (exchange) as a meme but like. that is what it is :P

I'm glad I took detailed notes on how fonts work on SE earlier this morning, it made that fix take 10m instead of 2h

stackapps was one of the earlier sites to have +10 for questions i think

8 views 8 upvotes lol

@hyper-neutrino You joke, but at the current rate, Redwolf will rep cap in 8 minutes :P

@RedwolfPrograms 20 views

Try reloading :P

5:09 PM

@RedwolfPrograms refesh page

oh, it hasn't updated for me :p

oh caird ninja'd me

8 views 20 upvotes lol

2

wait backwards

That'd be wild :P

just ignore me

5:10 PM

posted to TL

I would prefer 6 votes and 9 views instead lol

hey there @primo! been a while since i've seen you around

makes 69, lisp with 69 instead of ()

ಠ_ಠ

and digits for everything else

primo

5:13 PM

indeed ;)

how've you been?

StackMeter

why did someone down vote my effort to restore the rickroll in vyxal

~~I doubt you'll get an answer here tbh~~ nevermind

I downvoted because it looked low effort and I don't want to encourage that

Hmm, apparently the script probably shouldn't be asked as a question on MSE according to the mods

5:16 PM

oh is the rickroll gone lol

someone gave it up

Looks like it died at day 9

rip the bounty lol

lol i only posted one thing and it was just a->"" in java and somehow it has the most upvotes

and nobody even chained my answer yet it has the most upvotes ?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bc java, and day 0

5:18 PM

My comment has more votes than my answer :P

So SE switched to system fonts, but for some reason mine is using Cantarell even though my system font is Noto Sans

hi. :D

hello!

switched to sans-serif, so if Cantarell is the default sans-serif font, SE will use it

But sans-serif is set to Noto Sans in my Firefox config

5:21 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

how did the event go?

It's not until tonight

This is a terrible problem for me and might end my enjoyment of the site forever

Use the script

5:22 PM

oh yeah, I'm in a different timezone. nevermind.

The Script™

Use the script, Luke

But I don't like how the script makes it look

I like the new fonts.

@pxeger You can choose the font

Just set it to Noto Sans

primo

5:24 PM

@hyper-neutrino been ok, mostly unaffected by present circumstances, fortunately

bye. :)

@Wezl they are not just using sans-serif, that's the problem. they specify a list of fonts with sans-serif as fallback, and if any of them is available, it will take precedence.

oh right, noto sans is on the list so it should take precedence

@ngn But Cantarell isn't even in that list

Is Firefox choosing it as a close match for Ubuntu or Roboto, maybe?

no idea

@pxeger it might be the font behind "system-ui"

5:32 PM

But there's no way in hell Cantarell is my system-ui font! It's Noto Sans the whole way down!

@primo that's good to hear :) well good to have you back

so far all registrated users for the event are already regulars so. hopefully we'll see some new users dropping by when it starts

I just got yearling on Meta lol

nice

I've fixed it with this script. Apparently Firefox does use Cantarell as my system-ui font, even though it literally just isn't

@RedwolfPrograms Did you also get it on main? :P

5:43 PM

they should make main.stackexchange.com

God that is hard to read

wow that looks wrong

They are so broken lol

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com shows

also meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com

lol wtf

John Dvorak

6:03 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing looks good with my colored theme

6:15 PM

Got moved to stackapps while I was at lunch rip

well, I'm upset now. :(

I can't make a chat room yet.

Q: Custom Fonts User Script: Revert or Improve the Font Updates

Updated: 1.2.1 now supports some per-site metas I'd forgotten

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Recently, Stack Exchange decided to switch to system fonts. For those of you who prefered the old appearance, or would like a different font to appear in code blocks or across the site as a whole, Custom Fonts is a user script I wrote this morning to allow just that. Features Custom Fonts allows ...

script

I'll post an answer on the meta question later

The main one

@caird seems like Ask Ubuntu's is also mostly unreadable. lmao

6:33 PM

It got migrated and the views didn't carry over

It really is 8 views 20 upvotes :p

:O

status-deferred feature request

lol got +15 + accept on physics SE meta

setInterval(function() {
    document.body.innerHTML = document.body.innerHTML.replace(/https:\/\/chat\.stackexchange\.com\/rooms\//g, "https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/");
}, 1000);

i'm running this in a userscript (don't ask why)

it keeps causing my chat to scroll around randomly and breaks the user display + pronoun userscript

am i not allowed to do this

@hyper-neutrino Just mod things :P

:P

6:38 PM

> some moderators like myself destroy them, some hunt them down actively, and some just totally ignore them.

I can just imagine in TL: "Right, everyone got their torches and pitchforks? Time for a spammer hunt!"

lol

@RedwolfPrograms you seem good at userscripts. is there any way to make a script that causes links of a specific pattern to point elsewhere

specifically, i'm trying to make a userscript that makes chat room links in chat point to the transcript instead

You can use a querySelectorAll to get all links, then change the hrefs

I can write a quick userscript for that if you want, although it'll be about 10m since I'm busy

i'll give it a shot and if it still dies then i will ~~cry~~ ask you :p

ok so it works but uh

a bit too well

because the "join room" button also ends up pointing to the transcript so you can't join the room .-.

Suffering from success :p

fortunately the button has an ID

6:45 PM

Just directly navigate to https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/id :P

so a:not(#join-room) works lol

Maybe we're attacking SE wrong. Rather than "the community is unhappy with your choices" which obviously is consistently ignored by SE, maybe we can say "in the name of INCLUSIVITY, have mercy on the UNDERREPRESENTED MINORITY of users that have poor eye-sight"? Relevant: "I am blind / have difficulty seeing: 1.1%"

With a userscript you can revert: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364268/… — rene 45 mins ago

@RedwolfPrograms ^ on Meta.SO

Actually this is a better link :P

So be prepared for a lot of upvotes/requests :P

Transcript Redirect 0.2; makes all links to a chat room under chat.stackexchange.com point instead to their transcript, except the join room button itself and your joined rooms

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Nice, FGITWd the script market :p

6:47 PM

is there a point? probably not really?

this is probably more useful in TL

the links on the side in my "joined rooms" now also points to the transcript

unfortunately they do not have IDs or a class

Maybe you could use a .filter on an array from the NodeList, and filter by the textContent