The Nineteenth Byte

1:49 AM

Would like to bring attention to: Should we have chat events, and if so, how should we do them?

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it seems that the monthly mini-golf is something that by consensus (+11/-0) we want to do; the esolangs showcase has some popularity but only +5/-0, so no opposition but not as much attention

though we don't quite have a consensus (+2/-3) on whether or not to host it elsewhere (I agree that a chat event for golfing is more on-topic to TNB than TNB usually is, though)

@OldSandboxPosts html tags ftw

@hyper-neutrino Just an FYI, my opinion on that is not a "hard" opinion. I personally think they'd be better outside of TNB, but I don't particularly mind either way :P

2:04 AM

Now that I've sort of stopped working on Ash, I'm not really sure what project to start on next

With school basically over, I've got 35 hours a week to work on anything I want, I just don't know what that would be :p

Vyxal but in JS?

Answer with Ash a bit, then realise how buggy it is (just extrapolating from my own lang dev experiences) then work on Ash v2 :P

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Q: Apply at indices

Given: a blackbox function \$f : \mathbb N \to \mathbb N\$, a list of positive integers \$L\$, and a list of indices \$I\$, apply \$f(x)\$ to the elements of \$L\$ at the indices specified in \$I\$. For example, \$f(x) = x^2, L = [7, 6, 3, 9, 1, 5, 2, 8, 4]\$ and \$I = [3, 5, 8]\$ (using 1 inde...

@cairdcoinheringaahing No, I'm not finishing Ash.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Stopped working in this context is more "most likely abandoned before completion"

ninja'd

2:07 AM

I'm currently writing Add++ v6, because my code for v5.11 is so awful/spaghetti, and full of bugs, that I couldn't stand it :P

@RedwolfPrograms Then finish Ash, maybe? :P

It's my first attempt at a golfing language, and my initial vision is so different from my current views on how a good golfing would work that it'd end up as a horrible mess

Yes

That's how all first attempts at golfing langs end up, that's the point.

case in point

I'm planning something, but I know it'll be a super long term project and I'd rather work on some smaller things like Hunter-Fatherer for now

You create a horrible mess, then learn from it enough to create a less horrible mess, and so on until it converges to a decent language

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2:09 AM

How do I misspell that every time...

Fatherer? erm

Hunter-Gatherer

I...that'd be a very different KotH

@RedwolfPrograms Fatherer... isn't that a bit nsfw?

I guess my general list of things to finish by summer break is the KotH, ranking system, and CGCC stuff like the blog, bots, and guild of reviewers

After that I'll work on my game for a little while, then maybe around July or August I can start on golfing language stuff again

I'm seriously considering making a non-golfing language first though

How do you plan that for ahead for such specific projects?

2:12 AM

Too much optimism

I have a vague idea of programming projects I want to try at some point in the near or far future

Same, but I feel better when I pretend I know what I'm doing :p

For example, a (non-trivial) programming language, interpreted in Jelly

I'll probably start work on some completely unrelated project a week from now and in October I'll remember I still needed to write my part of the blog :p

Oh, I need to work on Generic Review Tool a bit as well

Pretty sure we'll have the first blog post up in time for Winter Bash :P

2:16 AM

This might not be the best time to have tried to start the blog, since I wasn't able to do any work that week because of school, and nobody really knew what we were supposed to be doing :p

Maybe in a few days we can get as many of us in chat as possible to try to work out who's writing what, a summary of what each part will look like, and some deadlines for when they should be done

Fingers crossed

I might not be able to blog until late June/early july now

:(

I'm glad Vyxal got LoTM when it did, because June's a busy month with exams and final assessments and all

TBF at some point, I might just say "screw it" and write the first one myself. I've made ~25 languages, so I can probably write a decent amount about language dev

But, I don't want to prevent others who might be just as interested, so I'll wait until a breaking point :P

DLosc

2:23 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I started reading the spec for your recent question and thought, "That's got to be a builtin in Jelly and/or APL." Got to the last paragraph--yep, called it!

@DLosc That's where I got the inspiration :P

DLosc

I think I've noticed that as a pattern in APL programming especially: "Here's a list of values, and another list with some indices. Do something with the values at those indices."

(Spoken as someone who never got very far with learning either APL or Jelly, but reads explanations of code-golf answers from time to time)

2:51 AM

I need a repetitive song lyric for the song composing thing - any ideas?

user

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :P

@user Sure.

Kirin J Callinan - Big Enough (Official Video) ft. Alex Cameron, Molly Lewis, Jimmy Barnes

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Wait, there's an actual song with that lyric???

i approve

3:04 AM

My score is 19 97/225 because I've posted just so many answers :P

3:28 AM

@Ausername you didn't know?

The Coconut Song - (Da Coconut Nut)

4:45 AM

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@okie I'll probably do that next time.

:(

There aren't any more answers that I haven't continued off.

5:12 AM

sup

yes

How to find questions in PPCG which don't contain any python submission

Any nice search filter?

-"Python" is:question dosent work

you may need a SEDE for this

Oh no

@hyper-neutrino that sounds like something from the future

5:16 AM

data.stackexchange.com quite the opposite, it updates every sunday so it's usually from the past :P

code-golf number floating-point

6:02 AM

@programmer365 modify this

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6:30 AM

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7:47 AM

Yes

@Lyxal yes to whom?

Hn

I'm going to create a golfing language

@Lyxal

give me help

pls

@StackMeter yay!

a new golflang

what will be its name

containing no letters

@programmer365 Anti-Alpha

7:51 AM

Hello, just want to ask a very quick question: a user suggested [bit.ly/3nQ60Mu](this) -2 byte suggestion on "Help me count the Omer", is this acceptable? Can we have an anonymous function as the main answer doing the work and a few named helper functions at the bottom?

@ophact well i can't access the bit.ly link

it leads to a TIO

numbers are a thing in anti-alpha though

just copy paste the link

@ophact Yes, as long as all are counted.

Here:
https://tio.run/##jZNfT9swFMXf8ynuQ1ETYdKxP4CqpRGTtiGNdUg8AlLc5DZ1ce3IdshCW746u04KDPayFzdx7j3nd4/dJb/jNjeicgdKF/g4Tx7Dc3bKLtk0SibZYD3dQsHbwfosnEZbep0cpRkDxVcoWxisHx7C6eg42kKDeOurdhu0Q8V7x2nW/byI7FFxNh4O@yUIBuvQJe@izeY8XvEqDJEJMhZJ8iHF2GAleY7hKB6VLE8m4eg63sDmmo1ih9aFeZS68f6@i5JkmmbrwTrfkm4ejTGKl1qoDLLYVlI4//BafnpwmGZXg/WLyX3SqZM4Gw6j7c1gfd@7YEQoVgqqOTiMevYXg26G07/V/djksEvC975CaJikIkkIe8c7iOYtxOZfiiZKm7cUzTPFGMd@qNGTIm5vXiCvVU95eeXROtvx0c0WhIJu8/NJ@m48nXw8SY/GO@qbbZAFZ0mdTOrJYTq0QzJ8zLWyWmIsdRnOw@y7LmAm0VooDbEzmNMKdiEUQm1hrg3eoYmDH0o3gNy4BTS8tQwsv0MLXEq6R06QaBxcGC4sQoW6kgjn2hSsK9htVN3nO…

7:54 AM

@Adám thanks, that is very much appreciated. I can probably golf my code a little further now.

@StackMeter so there's absolutely no letters. Hmm. You'll probably need extra Unicode then

Do you want it Prefix, Postfix or infix?

Razetime

@StackMeter what will you use in their place?

@StackMeter also it is stack based or stackless?

8:34 AM

To answer all your questions, 1) Infix, because it's the only thing that makes sense, 2) There's surely enough symbols to uniquely map every one to a letter, 3) No, because I'm going to implement variables, and I'm not sure those two go together.

yeah there's 32 symbols we have more than enough

@StackMeter Sounds APL-like.

@Adám cool

but I literally don-t know how to process infix

well it depends on what kind of infix

@StackMeter transpiling would be nice

one option is to use a ton of tiers of precedence but it's not hard to tell why that isn't a very popular approach

8:46 AM

assuming you are writing interpreter in common languages like Python or Javascript
then you can easily trasnpile infix expressions

i don't think python lets you define new infix operators if that's what you mean

@programmer365 well I do know Python, so I might try and transpile infixes, because this is being written in Python (I'm not learning a language to make a language, when it is unnecessary)

if you want to discuss it more let's open a chat room on it

if you want to do a precedence based system you can also just
use operator precedence parsing

but again i would not recommend a precedence based system

at least not as the core of your syntax

if you feel like rolling with it and seeing what you can accomplish then go for it

but yeah

@programmer365 sure

8:58 AM

@StackMeter then hurry up open it

how do I open a room

go to site rooms and click open a new room and follow the instructions

open rooms list

csroll to bottom

ah I want to be changed back to Wasif
but i cannot change my username in next 30 days :-(

it done

9:03 AM

nice

now all discussion could be done there

9:33 AM

Anti-Alpha: The Beginning

where stupid begins

@programmer365 Oh, that's who you are. I was wondering... Welcome back, by the way!

Hi!

user41805

10:09 AM

@ngn why do you have to emulate it?

12:37 PM

in bash, is there a clever trick to copy all quiz-h.* files to their corresponding quiz-i.*? I feel I saw someone use brackets to do this somehow

In shell, I think you can "just do it" with copy quiz-h.* quiz-i.*

do you mean cp?

or is that a different shell?

cp quiz-{h,i}.tex does one file

Windows shell.

ah.. I know nothing of windows :)

You can get PowerShell for UX, but I don't know if you can get the good old shell.

12:42 PM

Okay, I shouldn't have let you guys do it in the first place, but please don't do it a second time. It's not really that funny and it's confusing and therefore disruptive especially when you talk about it in chat that much.

@hyper-neutrino That's why I spoke up.

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@Adám Yes, thank you for doing so.

I have "ruined the fun" in place of caird while he is absent. :P

@hyper-neutrino the fun is ruined

@Anush Oh, Wine should be able to run cmd.exe ― there you go! ;-)