The Nineteenth Byte

see i was considering just overwriting it cuz there's really nothing there and the last edit was from 2016 and was just to change its category from Unimplemented to Implemented (even though it still has no available implementation on the page) but i don't suppose that would be encouraged

rak1507

1:48 AM

I doubt anyone would really care

Redwolf Programs

You could maybe rename it to Branch (2016)

Unrelated String

could rename the current page to something like "Branch (Johnki)" then make a new one for yours

Redwolf Programs

i am ninja

Unrelated String

and then maybe flesh the article out if anyone can make sense of this just for the hell of it :P

hyper-neutrino

ah yeah that is a good idea

Unrelated String

1:53 AM

i love how there's just a dead link to a zip file containing the source

and this was 2016

er, that was going to contain the source once the interpreter was finished

which didn't happen

Razetime

2:16 AM

@rak1507 need to rebuild it from scratch for it to be usable

rak1507

yea, someone said that, oh well active posts it is

Lyxal

2:49 AM

@RedwolfPrograms completely wrong

Likes-it-all

Get it right

Redwolf Programs

What are y'all's favorite brands of computers?

user

Whatever’s cheapest

l4m2

Would you rather post as fastest-algorithm or restricted-time-complexity for question requiring a proved optimal complexity?

Redwolf Programs

Peronally I really like Acer, their chromebooks are very high quality. I've owned two, the first one's wifi stopped working after a few years of heavy use but with $20 and a screwdriver I just switched out the network card and it works like new. My current one is about the same, but with some more modern features. Despite both being just over $200, they're insanely durable. I've had mine hit directly in the screen with a basketball at considerable velocity and it didn't do a thing.

I swear (good) chromebooks are insanely underrated

user

@l4m2 I’d prefer fastest algorithms byr it depends

hyper-neutrino

2:55 AM

anyone know how to get a textarea to resize itself to the input like how TIO does it? i tried using a contenteditable div but now i am running into a multitude of issues

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms Michaelsoft

Redwolf Programs

@l4m2 I don't really think one's better, it's just whether you prefer the winning criterion to be the algorithmic complexity itself, or the code length

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino check main.html in my vyxal repo on github

hyper-neutrino

will take a look, thanks

user

@RedwolfPrograms I’ve had 2 hp

laptops and they’re bith good,, the first is still good, though a bit slower, and the second s running like new thought it’s a year old

Redwolf Programs

2:57 AM

@hyper-neutrino Do it the absolute worst possible way. Put rows=1000000 in the HTML, then disable scrolling the page with CSS. Use JS to override scrolling so that it only scrolls when the content is actually taller than the screen.

I'd laugh at this if I hadn't actually seen something scarily similar in a real website

l4m2

@RedwolfPrograms Given that it's known best, there must be some other winning criter

Unrelated String

in that case it should certainly be restricted-complexity

Redwolf Programs

Then fastest algorithm wouldn't be the right tag

ninja'd

Unrelated String

because it's restricted to that complexity

hyper-neutrino

wait. so is vyxal pronounced with an "eye" sound rather than a short I sound as well?

Redwolf Programs

3:15 AM

I am buying one of these

(Wikipedia)

Since most of you probably assume that first link is a rickroll :p

hyper-neutrino

why would we then believe the second isn't :p

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino vikesal

Redwolf Programs

*vomits

How is it pronounced that way

"Ash" isn't pronounced "aysh" is it?

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you don't pronounce python "pithon"

Redwolf Programs

Bold of you to assume...

Lyxal

3:18 AM

You pronounce is "pie-thon"

The ly/vy of Lyxal/Vyxal is the same as the py in python

Redwolf Programs

I, at the same time, cannot argue with your logic but am deeply saddened by it

hyper-neutrino

@Lyxal *pronounces "vikesal" as vicky-sal*

Redwolf Programs

~~I actually pronounce it vyik-sal~~

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms if I've read that correctly that's close enough

Redwolf Programs

/vjɪksəl/?

Lyxal

3:25 AM

One moment while I get that website that pronounces IPA open

Redwolf Programs

lol

The IPA reader I just tried reads it more like vee-yik-sal than vyik-sal though :/

The vyik is one syllable (if syllables include the sound my cat makes while coughing up a hairball)

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I'm gonna have to say no

Redwolf Programs

:p

hyper-neutrino

3:45 AM

@Lyxal ok so i implemented more or less what your main.html is doing but for whatever reason my input fields have one extra line under them

and only the editable ones; the readonly fields work fine

any idea why

actually nvm it's all of the fields except the last one

Lyxal

4:01 AM

@hyper-neutrino link to page?

hyper-neutrino

@Lyxal branch.hyper-neutrino.xyz/#WyIrIyIsIjEzIDE1IiwiIl0=

(contains a couple of the fields pre-filled; you can click RUN to get stdout and stderr)

Lyxal

this is why we use em units

height: 1em

hyper-neutrino

i have my field set to min-height: 1em !important lol

never mind i forgot that min-height doesn't actually do anything to the height in most cases

i have the stupid

Lyxal

Let me quickly experiment on my interpreter and see what i find

hyper-neutrino

just adding height: 1em below the min-height: 1em !important worked though, ty

Lyxal

4:09 AM

but then when you resize box doesn't it break?

hyper-neutrino

nope, apparently not

i suppose it's because .input has lower priority than referencing the style of the element itself so as long as i don't !important the height itself it's fine??

Lyxal

it must then

hyper-neutrino

idk how to actually do HTML/JS/CSS i've only made like several websites from scratch without actually understanding anything

Lyxal

honestly, razetime wrote the resizing script

idk what i'm doing either

hyper-neutrino

nice :P

a typical day in the field of web dev with js

Lyxal

4:13 AM

"I just type random two letter abbreviations and use random numbers until things work"

imagine not making your site source open access

made by vyxal gang

Lyxal

Opinion: 2005 version of Ruler of Everything is better than 200(7/9) version

Razetime

no

not allowed

Lyxal

yes

it is allowed

hyper-neutrino

TIL that you can just type --- to ungroup your messages o_O never knew that

@Lyxal whomst

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino you

hyper-neutrino

4:19 AM

oh

i just added it to github xd

Lyxal

well played

oh you put it in a different repo

ah yes i love it when songs make me think my headphones are broken by starting with static

truly wonderful

hyper-neutrino

ah yes absolutely amazing (what are you currently listening to?)

@Lyxal yeah didn't think it made much sense to put it in the same one. also put it up after i asked you to take a look but before you mentioned not open-sourcing my site

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino mambo number 5

Razetime

@hyper-neutrino culprate and au5 - impulse

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I looked at the html using inspect element lol. I put my HTML in the same repo because when I pull to the server it updates it

hyper-neutrino

4:25 AM

@Lyxal ah that makes sense. i use codeanywhere to ssh directly into my server so i just edit the files there and then reboot the server and push to git from there

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I run rm -rf when pulling git changes

i get to have more fun

hyper-neutrino

o_O

Lyxal

rm -rf ~/mysite/docs; rm -rf ~/mysite/templates; git clone https://github.com/Lyxal/Vyxal.git temp; cd temp; mv * ~/mysite; cd ~/mysite; rm -rf temp

4

that's the command that updates the server

it's one line and completely hacked together

hyper-neutrino

beautiful

please explain why the hell you git clone each time, what sort of witchcraft is this

Lyxal

because I found it by goolging

hyper-neutrino

4:30 AM

does git pull or something like. not work or smth...

Lyxal

i don't know how tf to use git on command line

hyper-neutrino

nice

Lyxal

so I just looked up how to clone repo

and copy pasted the first result

hyper-neutrino

;-; this gives me pain

if you're inside a repository folder, git pull updates the local files to what's on that branch on github

Lyxal

the point is that it works

and I'm not risking breaking it for efficiency

hyper-neutrino

4:31 AM

i mean fair enough

branch.hyper-neutrino.xyz ok so i have another issue, i'm trying to get a sticky footer working, but it's causing the page to become scrollable

not sure if this is how you're meant to do it but basically i put all of the page content into <main></main> and the footer into a <footer></footer> under it (both in <body>)

Lyxal

this is where my knowledge becomes useless

@Razetime you're good at web dev right?

hyper-neutrino

wait i'm stupid

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino you're not stupid, you're hyper‐neutrino

hyper-neutrino

@hyper-neutrino nO yOu'Re HyPeR-nEuTrInO

Lyxal

get ninja'd

hyper-neutrino

4:33 AM

i was copying my css from my personal site to this site

and it wasn't working

so i added a fix

Lyxal

well done

hyper-neutrino

guess where i put it

Lyxal

into a file you weren't importing?

hyper-neutrino

into my personal site's css, the thing i was copying from, not the css i was trying to fix

Lyxal

wonderful

hyper-neutrino

4:35 AM

this has to be in my top 10 most hated things

Lyxal

Hey that happened to me lately

hyper-neutrino

i've only been playing videos in that tab for like 7 minutes... like i just started listening to music

Lyxal

wonderful

Razetime

@Lyxal sort of yes

whatcha need

Lyxal

hyper was asking a question

and you might know the answer

6 mins ago, by hyper-neutrino

https://branch.hyper-neutrino.xyz/ ok so i have another issue, i'm trying to get a sticky footer working, but it's causing the page to become scrollable

Razetime

4:38 AM

@hyper-neutrino cute lookin interpreter

@hyper-neutrino this is the right way to do flexbox, yes

Lyxal

@Razetime sad that it's not a TIO rip-off like mine

Razetime

sticky footer mm

so setting position to fixed is hurting it?

what exactyl does sticky footer mean

Lyxal

here's the repo btw: github.com/hyper-neutrino/branch-server

Razetime

Love the commit message

hyper-neutrino

how is it not a TIO rip-off xd

Lyxal

4:44 AM

i use the same colours prety much

hyper-neutrino

@Razetime thanks :3

i got my footer working btw

Razetime

so what was the problem

you have a sticky footer and you don't want a scrollbar

hyper-neutrino

html and body had margin/padding/whatever so setting height to 100vh makes it take up too much space

Razetime

so err whats the point of a sticky footer

hyper-neutrino

so if my site's content is less than a full page tall, the footer is still at the bottom

perhaps sticky isn't the right term

Razetime

4:46 AM

oh just set height to 100% and overflow-y to scroll

hyper-neutrino

adding html, body { margin: 0; padding: 0; } fixed it, but the issue was i was putting it in the wrong CSS file

Razetime

lmao

Wasif

6:42 AM

Should we create a new chatroom for language Userscript?

hyper-neutrino

would probably be a good idea if you plan on having more + more in-depth discussion/conversation about it

Wasif

Then it should be done

hyper-neutrino

so far the bit of discussion in this room hasn't cluttered the room much (since it's just asking "what should this user do" or "what user should do this") but in terms of development and discussing it further, it'd be a good idea

Wasif

Created new room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/123103/userscript

Manish Kundu

7:16 AM

What's UserScript about?

Wasif

@ManishKundu UserScript is a project by the PPCG community to make a language with the users here. Each user will represent as a command. Its current (unifinished) interpreter is available at userscript.surge.sh

Manish Kundu

interesting

Wasif

You can read these

There have been a lot of chat on it

Lyxal

It started from this message of mine: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=57653929#57653929

Manish Kundu

i see. pretty sick

Lyxal

7:29 AM

@hyper-neutrino may I please have access to the room made for the discussion regarding the day we all swapped pictures and usernames?

hyper-neutrino

@Lyxal i meant to make it gallery not private lol

everyone should be able to read it now

Lyxal

Good

caird coinheringaahing

10:31 AM

Wasif

11:04 AM

I pronounce it as Vik-sal

Or sometimes Vig-sal

caird coinheringaahing

1:17 PM

Any feedback?

rak1507

2:07 PM

codegolf.codidact.com/posts/281384 new codidact problem go solve

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Q: Reversencode the given string

Given a string, if it is even, break the string into 2 even parts, then reverse the parts to get the "reversencoded" string. Example: onomatopoeia -> tamonoaieopo If the string is not of even length, then do not change the position of the middle character, and reverse the letters before and after...

Redwolf Programs

2:43 PM

@Lyxal I prefer to update with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda; echo "Update required: Please reinstall." (do not actually run that :p)

caird coinheringaahing

3:29 PM

@rak1507 One thing to note: posting answers from mobile is alright (if using TIO, just copy paste). Posting explanations from mobile is very difficult, as it doesn't have monospaced font while drafting, and the copy-pasting is very weird

rak1507

not this again! :)

caird coinheringaahing

Sorry, my recent answer just reminded me :P

I started drafting an explanation with my answer before posting and went "Oh right, I forgot how bad mobile is. It can wait"

hyper-neutrino

have we had a challenge to convert TitleCase to whatever-this-is and if not do y'all think it would be a decent challenge or too trivial

Redwolf Programs

We've had one for snake_case I think

hyper-neutrino

(inspiration: changing my display name from HyperNeutrino to hyper-neutrino to support people with small screens / higher zoom in chat)

caird coinheringaahing

3:37 PM

@hyper-neutrino Dupe hammer

hyper-neutrino

ah. it's a subset of that. :c

caird coinheringaahing

Though, that's an old, outdated challenge that bans builtins

hyper-neutrino

i should've waited to post my challenge from yesterday

the upvotes are split across UTC midnight so i'm not going to get a repcap on either day lol

caird coinheringaahing

The trick is to post around 8/9pm UTC when you've already got +140/+150 in the day

hyper-neutrino

and branch just isn't interesting enough to deserve upvotes from my recent answers

caird coinheringaahing

3:39 PM

You get the few upvotes necessary to repcap on the first day, then repcap again the next day when it hits HNQ

hyper-neutrino

hmm. that's a good tip

rak1507

no takers for my codidact challenge? :( shame

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Will the input always be of even length?

rak1507

no

caird coinheringaahing

I tried to sign up and it gave me a 500 error :/

rak1507

3:44 PM

:/

caird coinheringaahing

Can we take the input as a singleton array (e.g. ['CRYPTO'])?

rak1507

sure

hyper-neutrino

3/9 vote-answer ratio on the new challenge

oof

lol caird i'm impressed by how fast you must've close-voted that; i closed it like 35 seconds after posting

caird coinheringaahing

i am speed

I believe 14 seconds is my record, but that was close :P

Redwolf Programs

I should really have new posts open more often

hyper-neutrino

3:49 PM

granted, i opened math.se to copy the link into the comment first since I posted my comment from the close reason box so i stalled myself there a bit so someone with fast hands could've easily beaten me to it lol

caird coinheringaahing

CV first, comment second :P

Redwolf Programs

The more civil version of "shoot first ask questions later" :p

hyper-neutrino

i wonder what the record for close time on our site is / if that's possible to check

caird coinheringaahing

I seem to remember Alex hammering something closed within 5 seconds once

Wasif

Hello everyone, is Codadict active now currently

hyper-neutrino

3:51 PM

lol nice

Wasif

And can we ask questions from here to there

caird coinheringaahing

You can post your own, I believe

I think Codidact is CC-BY-SA 3.0 as well, so you can cross post anything you have permission to from the original author

My own questions?

definitely

Then its nice

3:54 PM

do we have a challenge to just diagonalize a matrix

actually that would probably be too complicated to direct post to main even if it were interesting which it might not be given we have an eigenvalues challenge already

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Take a browse

Wasif

@hyper-neutrino I can find nothing

hyper-neutrino

this

rak1507

@Wasif I'm trying to revive it

Wasif

@rak1507 How much reputation you currently have there

hyper-neutrino

3:56 PM

although that's just to find the jordan normal form, not the entire decomp

rak1507

86

Wasif

can answers be accepted there

rak1507

don't know

Wasif

then where did your +15 come

rak1507

idk

caird coinheringaahing

3:59 PM

@rak1507 How does EOYCTNNPRI -> ENCRYPTION?

I get this:

'EOYCTNNPRI'
'EYTNR', 'OCNPI'
['ETR', 'YN'], ['ONI', 'CP']
[['ER', 'T'], ['Y', 'N']], [['OI', 'N'], ['C', 'P']]
'ERTYNOINCP'

Wasif

Is this a clone of today's challenge?

caird coinheringaahing

No

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing you are encrypting, not decrypting

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 I'd make that much clearer in the psot then

rak1507

yes, I've edited it, sorry for the confusion

Wasif

4:04 PM

Has there been any fully random KotH until now?

caird coinheringaahing

How would that work?

Wasif

Like a Ludo game, where Dice roll moves pieces ahead, and who reaches the destination first they win

caird coinheringaahing

But there's no strategy in a fully random game, and koths rely on different strategies

user

It wouldn't be any fun

hyper-neutrino

what would submissions even do in full random koths lol

while True:
    move()

caird coinheringaahing

4:24 PM

@rak1507 Jelly, 9 bytes. Codidact is refusing to send me a confirmation email when I try to sign up, so I guess that's the reason I'm giving y'all when you bug me to join :P

rak1507

that's weird

hopefully it'll work...

nice solution btw

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 If you want to report the bug on meta, the error quote id is ff64bd24-d3ff-4daf-be54-1d53a343157b

I'd do it, but you have to log in

Wasif

Challenge: I'll give you a +500 bounty if you can post a fully random kotH and get a net score of +2 after being closed.

caird coinheringaahing

Something's definitely up with their confirmation page, you should probably let them know

rak1507

done

hyper-neutrino

4:29 PM

@Wasif please don't encourage intentionally posting content that won't be wanted on this site

Wasif

I did this because I knew none will do this

caird coinheringaahing

@Wasif Remove the "after being closed" bit and it's not a bad offer

hyper-neutrino

if someone can post a fully random koth that's actually well-made and interesting i will be rather impressed

Mithical

@cairdcoinheringaahing are you using a sane email?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mithical Same email I use for everything else

Never had a problem before

Mithical

4:33 PM

hmm

gonna try to create a sock, see if I can repro

caird coinheringaahing

CMM: What's our policy on cross-posting challenges to/from Codidact?

Like, legally, I think it's ok, but do and should we have a policy about it?

Mithical

(actually, strike that - the devs are on it and looks like it's something out of my depth)

rak1507

to has definitely been done before (hello world, quine, etc)
from, idk, maybe people wouldn't want their challenges to be posted from codidact onto cgcc for moral reasons, but personally I'd be fine with it

caird coinheringaahing

@Mithical Feel free to ping me when it's fixed :)

Mithical

(thumbsup)

(blame AWS, apparently)

caird coinheringaahing

4:37 PM

Ah, another reason to be mad at Amazon :P

Mithical

@cairdcoinheringaahing worth noting from aSEO standpoint it's not great for us to duplicate too much content

original, new content is always better

caird coinheringaahing

@Mithical Yeah, I was just thinking about the fact that some of the more prominent Codidact site post their challenges on both, and link the two. I suppose in an effort to get answers/participation from users on both sites who refuse to use the other site

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5:48 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

We go up together, we go down together Given a list of positive digits, return that list where consecutive elements are grouped together. For example: [1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 5, 4, 4, 1] -> [[1, 2, 3], [5, 6, 5, 4], [4], [1]] Essentially, all adjacent elements whose absolute difference is 1 should be gr...

caird coinheringaahing

So, the last time flagging was on a question was Mar 17, 2014, yet it hasn't been deleted

hyper-neutrino

it also isn't a synonym (meta only has two synonyms total)

weird

caird coinheringaahing

Nuke it?

hyper-neutrino

i would but i'm not actually sure how

never mind i think it worked

caird coinheringaahing

You could just merge it with flags

hyper-neutrino

6:00 PM

yeah i wasn't sure if that actually nukes the tag but i think it's gone?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it no longer shows up in the tag list

hyper-neutrino

nice

any others that should be nuked?

there are a couple of empty ones but they look like they're automatically created for all meta sites and shouldn't be removed. idk

caird coinheringaahing

I'll let you know if I find any :P

hyper-neutrino

alright :P

caird coinheringaahing

Found one: interesting-tags?

Appears to have never been used on a question ever

Over on MM, it's a synonym of tag-watching, so it's not even a "we need to keep this" tag

nitsua60

6:13 PM

PPCG culture question: new answers on old challenges okay? (Having answered REPAIR THE KEYBOARD, I'm seeing that the language I used wasn't used on DISARM THE BOMB.)

user

Pretty sure they are

hyper-neutrino

they are allowed

user

No reason why they shouldn't be okay, as long as they're not duplicates or something (although duplicates are allowed)

hyper-neutrino

making an answer with a 1/0-byte to just "solve this challenge" is already a standard disallowed loophole anyway

caird coinheringaahing

@nitsua60 Absolutely (unless specifically disallowed by the challenge)

Just be warned that you're less likely to get upvotes on older questions

nitsua60

6:26 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing ofc.

Thank you.

@hyper-neutrino Right. This wouldn't be that, I'm just noticing that I can get over half of PASSWORD_01 in Cubically with fewer than half the bytes of the current leader....

But I have actual work I need to get to at some point, so it may be next weekend before I tackle it.

hyper-neutrino

@nitsua60 Okay. I didn't think that's what you meant anyway; our site used to disallow new languages to prevent people from making a language just to solve the problem, then allowed it if they were marked as "non-competing", and now that we have that standard loophole to prevent it, we eventually decided (four years ago) that newer languages should be allowed (unless otherwise specified, of course)

nitsua60

Right--I read through those the other night. I couldn't find when MDXF wrote Cubically, but I'm assuming it's younger than seven years, so this falls into that grey space of "language is newer than the challenge, but definitely wasn't written for that challenge."

caird coinheringaahing

7:06 PM

Is this a dupe? I'll be posting it later if not

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Q: Is it better to walk or run in the rain?

The age-old question - is it better to walk or run? There are two trains of thought. If you run, you cause the rain to effectively hit you from the front, which increases your surface area and basically causes you to run into the raindrops, getting hit with more water. However, if you walk, you s...