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10:00 PM
Besides, spam flags have the unique ability to hide such posts behind a "filter" so that even 10k+ users don't have to see them. As is, that post still takes up roughly the same amount of space. IMO spam flags should be used for anything that has no reason to be on the site, not only "You should download X software, it's really good"
@hyper-neutrino Fair enough
> you should address random individuals ("you in the red shirt")
This is Tom Scott bullying :P
 
lol :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing that's true. i might ask TL to see if there's a general consensus for how other people use red flags. in any case, i can just get rid of the content myself
 
codegolf.codidact.com/posts/281368 posted a new challenge on codidact go solve it
 
@user it read more like a 10 year old trying to write a wikipedia article on something their friend told them about over lunch two days ago
 
10:24 PM
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Q: How many bystanders will help?

hyper-neutrinoFlavortext The Bystander Effect is a phenomenon where individuals are less likely to help a victim if other people are present. The idea is that as there are more people around, the individual burden is less, and each individual thinks "someone else will help them", which results in the counterin...

 
people who post golfs without explanations annoy me
 
I'm still golfing :P
 
idk how to golf in jelly really it's not like other languages for me where you can do something 'clever'
I just throw together stuff and that's it
 
jelly can be pretty clever
 
yea, what I'm saying is idk how to do anything clever in it
 
10:28 PM
just look at how there aren't even any shared characters between the two jelly solutions on your challenge :P
oh
yeah
yeah that can be hard lmao
 
well I can see a ÐL so it must do the same sort of thing
ah there's a filter
and absolute difference, I can definitely golf mine more
 
now i'm just confused
 
@UnrelatedString no, you're not "just confused"
You're unrelated string
Seriously, get it right. ⌍P
 
couple jelly questions: how does one do <=
and also can we count truthy values in a list in one byte?
 
10:35 PM
@kops you can't lol
 
Welp I just submitted my APL solution and it turns out HN had the same thing, but shorter
 
except maybe r
but no definitely not r lmao
 
Ah shit, Jonathan got it :/
 
I was about to post my 10-byter :(
 
I kept messing around with ×þJ to see if that had anything :/
 
10:41 PM
which should be 9 bytes but ÐL doesn't have vary_rarg = False
 
damn wtf does that do
 
wait never mind I can just rearrange it lmao
 
@rak1507 it finds out how many bystanders will help
 
lol
 
@rak1507 Added, I'm done golfing :P
 
10:45 PM
I wish people added explanations with their answers. It's a shame people value fgitw-ing more than explaining
 
I feel attacked
 
I'm editing an explanation into mine now but that's mostly because I'm struggling to think of how I can golf it
 
I don't want to write out a full explanation just to find a version that's a byte shorter and scrap the whole thing
 
in general it's a real pain in the ass to rewrite an explanation
 
well don't post your solution then
 
10:46 PM
Once I've decided to stop golfing, then I add an explanation
 
imo a solution is not finished without an explanation
@UnrelatedString too bad (and it's not really)
 
it's fgitw or be fgitw'd
also writing a good explanation is hard
 
At least we add explanations eventually. You'd've hated Leaky and Erik
 
doesn't have to be good just has to give the general idea for someone who doesn't want to look up all the builtins on the wiki
you'd've, I like it
 
@rak1507 Besides, I've already recapped today, I don't care about the rep from it :P
 
10:48 PM
if you don't care about rep why not try and make your answers good :P
 
Because I would rather get them to a point where I don't think they can be improved any more, then add an explanation
 
do that 'offline' before posting it then
 
No one wants to read the shitty explanation I wrote for a 25 byte monstrosity when I turn it into 10 bytes 2 minutes later
 
any posted answer should come with an explanation
if your answer isn't finished (and that includes explanation), don't post it
 
10:50 PM
Yeah, I'm just going to keep doing what I do. Respectfully, I strongly think that's a bad policy
 
I don't see why you can't add an explanation after posting
 
> If one of my answers doesn't work, don't hesitate to comment so I can update it. Furthermore, if any of my answers are lacking explanations, let me know and I'll add one in.
 
well I'm not going to convince anyone so I'll shut up
 
That's in my profile. Find any of my answers without an explanation and I'll gladly edit one in. I, in no way, underappreciate the importance of a good explanation. But to say that a post is incomplete without one is just wrong IMO
Here, check out this irritating bug in Jelly (f removes the elements from the left that aren't in the right)
 
10:55 PM
the weirdest thing about that is there's no obvious way that even reflects Python semantics
...
 
Yeah, it isn't even consistent with e: Try it online!
 
...it uses repr
why
 
why would it ever use repr
unless it's specifically because it's supposed to not treat 1.0 as equivalent to 1 for some reason
 
4 of the 6 answers to my challenge are jelly. lol
 
10:57 PM
lol
 
@hyper-neutrino Lemme just write a Yggdrasil answer real quick :P
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

dingledooperI before E, except after C code-golfstring You may be aware of the famous old rhyme, "I before E, except after C". It is a rule taught to aid in the spelling of certain English words. Quoting Wikipedia: If one is not sure whether a word is spelled with the digraph ei or ie, the rhyme suggests th...

 
Bounty to anyone who can do that btw
 
and like
why would it do that
if you have a list of floats and want to filter to/out `1.0` then it costs you two whole bytes over treating the float and integer as equivalent
the cases where you actually have to distinguish integers and equal floats are few and far between and you probably need all kinds of different logic there anyways
 
Maybe Dennis didn't realise that x in y works with arrays in Python?
 
11:01 PM
that's possible I suppose
oh wait yeah he probably tried doing it with sets but since lists aren't hashable he went to sets of reprs
and he did it with sets... for some reason
efficiency for huge inputs i guess
 
@NewMainPosts I'm trying to do this in Add++ and it doesn't have a "until fixed point" command D:
 
i'm not convinced until fixed point is actually golfier for most golfing languages with some sort of array manipulation though
 
Well, I've found another 12 byter in Jelly -_-
 
11:14 PM
well, it seems to tie Jonathan Allan's non-fixed-point version
 
May we assume that the input is sorted from lowest to highest? — Arnauld 44 mins ago
@hyper-neutrino Did you miss this? Seems like it'll save ~7 bytes for Arnauld (and 8 for Noodle)
 
I just saw it; just replied as you pinged xd
should I allow it? it wouldn't invalidate existing answers obviously
 
I don't think it being sorted would affect it significantly, so I personally would allow it
 
my vote is no entirely on the basis of that I kind of like being tied
 
11:17 PM
i think my 9-byter becomes 8 if I assume sorting as well
i'll allow it since i don't think adding a "sort" step before it particularly makes existing answers interesting
 
except for the existing answers that don't sort
 
Then yes you should, I want to see this golf-off :P
 
actually if it's strictly lowest to highest I guess that doesn't break the tie
 
well it can't really be strict, since duplicate entries are allowed
also you can assume highest to lowest too
 
11:24 PM
@rak1507 There, added in 3 explanations for one answer :P
 
got it in 8!
gonna add explanation now
 
@kops Impressive!
I feel convinced there's some 2 byte version of ẠƤS
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing the more the merrier
 
added
it took me forever just to find the 3 byte version.... lol
 
11:35 PM
it also feels like there's some other way to golf it using the sorting assumption but none of the ways I've distorted it have
worked
 
i had about 4 or 5 9-byte variants just trying to get the length of the longest truthy prefix
but I am a Jelly noob
 
Just commented a 7 byte version
 
nice
ahh, of course suffixes
 
Gotta love em :P
 
I don't think we can assume sorted input?
or at least if we can I can just delete the sort operator from my 8 byte
 
11:37 PM
can now
 
I'm not a big fan of the sorted input assumption :(
 
you can now
 
well then
 
@kops Nah, cause then × binds with
 
there's definitely a lot of same-length substitutions for ẠÐƤS but it feels like there should be something shorter
 
bottom one is almost the one I just thought of, except with L instead of S
 
@UnrelatedString I feel like there's some way of using the index of the 0, but nothing's saving bytes :/
 
my thoughts exatly
×JU«\ỊS is a somewhat permuted 7-byter
 
11:56 PM
Just spent four hours taking a practice test for school then six hours going to and from a sports game for my sister...and I'll be more busy tomorrow!!!
 
6 hours to and from, so I'm guessing this was in the neighbouring town/city? :P
I know essentially one thing about Texas: it's big :P
 
Roughly 80% of the countries in the world are smaller than Texas :p
Also, when are we going to choose the first blog topic?
 

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