The Nineteenth Byte

12:07 AM

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Shortest code to send an html s/mime signed message with one attachment over smtps Simple challenge : use a valid RSA based security certificate in order to sign message according to s/mime rules and send it over smtp over TLS on port 465 (or starttls on port 25). Rules : The program paramete...

Neil

@Downgoat if you want to draw a square shape, use Box. I don't know what you thought your strange sequence of symbols was going to achieve.

Zacharý

12:57 AM

@Downgoat Use Verbose mode.

Riker

1:14 AM

@quartata obligatory tree fiddy

@quartata tweet for you, taken from the gem that is drunk IRC

> i lost my gcc privileges when i violated the gnu gpl and i lost all gnu privileges

quartata

funny you mention that because I was just telling someone that Kaze should have his assembler privileges taken away...

Riker

does that mean i get to be an official tweet contributor™ and you'll post that quote

quartata

1:30 AM

technically speaking, you all are tweet contributors

everything that happens to me contributes

so if it the direct quote doesnt show up, don;t worry.... 1 day, 1 month, 1 year, youll see some bit of it in The Lore

however in yuor specifc case ill probaby just deep fry a screenshot of you saying it without the quote

(by without the quote I meant without the quote marks..,)

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3:28 AM

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Q: n = length * height

Challenge Given an integer input, n, print a rounded square with the parameter of n characters. Rules The characters for the parameter can be any non-whitespace character The square should have equal sides when possible The square should have one whitepsace character in each corner The square...

Downgoat

5:44 AM

@Neil oh wrong permalink. I had: tio.run/##S85ILErOT8z5/98tv0jDM6@gtCS4pCgzL11DU0fBKb9CI0OnUFPz/… I don't think h is the loop index variable though. I dunno if charcoal even passes that

I don't see an enumerate function either though

Downgoat

7:14 AM

thanks to comcast it takes 8 seconds to send a single packet to google.com

Neil

7:52 AM

@Downgoat so more like this?

Downgoat

@Neil I want the box to be filed though, I dunno if I need to use a seperate Fill() or if there's some way to do a box/rect with that filled

something like: for i, digit in str(input_num): FilledBox(i, digit)

Neil

so, in answer to the first question, Oblong draws a filled box

but if you loop over like that then each box will overwrite the previous which is unhelpful

Downgoat

do the commands return a list whereas they should return a string? this is what I have: tio.run/##S85ILErOT8z5/…

Since it's StringMap, I assume it is expecting a string as a return value but not sure if there is a way to take advantage of the fact that it also gives me the index

because doing a execvar enumerated seems like it would be much longer

Neil

@Downgoat there is a way of using a command as an expression but I don't know how. I'd just loop over indices: Try it online!

Downgoat

oh ok thanks

Neil

8:07 AM

actually I'm not even sure that using a command as an expression helps in your case

Downgoat

why would charcoal output 2 for this: tio.run/##S85ILErOT8z5/98jMacsNUUjoCg/…

Neil

8:23 AM

@Downgoat product != times

so you get two outputs, one for halved(add(0,2)) and one for add(0,1)

Mr. Xcoder

10:46 AM

o_O The comment template (on SE) looks so weird now on mobile

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11:04 AM

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Q: Draw an ASCII meandering curve

For the purpose of this question a meandering curve is one that follows the general direction from left to right, but makes repeatedly n+1 turns at 90 degrees to the left and then n+1 turns to the right (for n>0). The turns are denoted with +. The width of the meanders (the distance between two +...

code-golf ascii-art

FreezePhoenix

12:23 PM

hi

mınxomaτ

12:34 PM

Is telegram.org up for you?

Adám

@mınxomaτ Nope

Hm, italic user name means RO. What if I changed my name to 𝘙𝘰𝘰𝘮 𝘖𝘸𝘯𝘦𝘳, Would that be allowed? It would look a lot like Room Owner…

Mr. Xcoder

1:18 PM

@mınxomaτ It is now for me

mınxomaτ

That was a big outage :/

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1:33 PM

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Q: Cities and roads

A network consisting of M cities and M-1 roads connecting them is given. Cities are labeled with distinct integers within the range[0, (M-1)]. Roads connect cities in such a way that each pair of distinct cities is connected either by a direct road or along a path consisting of direct roads. The...

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2:07 PM

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Q: Recamán's duplicates

Recamán's Sequence is defined as follows: or in pseudo-code: a(0) = 0, if n > 0 and the number is not already included in the sequence, a(n) = a(n - 1) - n else a(n) = a(n-1) + n. The first numbers are (OEIS A005132): 0, 1, 3, 6, 2, 7, 13, 20, 12, 21, 11, 22, 10, 23, 9, 24...

code-golf number sequence

Zacharý

3:03 PM

@Adám, I forgot to ask this when we were talking about names: what is the origin of the "á," if it's not in your legal name?

Adám

@Zacharý My name is in Hebrew, where most words are pronounced with emphasis on the last syllable. However, in Danish (the language I grew up with), where the name Adam is has emphasis on the first syllable, an acute accent is indicates non-default stress.

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⍨ too many iss.

@Zacharý See also miserver.dyalog.com/Examples/html/rubySimple.mipage

Zacharý

Ah, okay. Mine is just a borrowing from Czech orthography. I keep it solely for the purpose of distinguishing my name when it's written fast: there's not that many people with an acute in their name, and mine ends up looking like: Z-----ý when signed fast.

Adám

@Zacharý Yeah, when I sign, it also basically becomes A~≈~.

Probie

@Adám I'd have assumed a Polish pronunciation to your surname without that page ⍨

Zacharý

@Probie ME TOO.\

@Adám What language does your last name come from?

Adám

3:12 PM

@Zacharý It is indeed Polish.

Probie

@Adám but you've dropped the "w"

Zacharý

Ah, so someone turned it into their language... explains how dz => dž (I need an IPA keyboard)

@Probie And dz is still dz when it's accentless...

Adám

@Probie Not intentionally. I should update the page to say broo-DJEFF-skee, no?

Zacharý

Still, why is <dz> not /dz/, judging from the wikipedia page.

Probie

@Zacharý that's phonemic, not phonetic

Adám

3:15 PM

@Zacharý How would you spell it to approximate it as "English" syllables?

Zacharý

@Probie Does Polish do that?

@Adám Depends on Polish phonetics

This seems like my 9th grade english teacher's name: Dzikus.

Adám

@Zacharý Which, to the best of my understanding regard dz as a single entity, like g in gin.

@Zacharý My father had a colleague at IBM, named Trnka — 'cause who needs vowels anyway…

ngn

@Adám "ah damn, brew Geoff's key"

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Zacharý

@Adám I'd expect (might be wrong) it be an affricate /dz/... like in "beds"

Adám

@ngn That's really cute. I might use that.

Probie

3:19 PM

@Zacharý Polish, like most languages varies in pronunciation by area. "dze" might be a genuine [dze] but it could also be a [ʒe]

Adám

@Zacharý This appears to say you're right, i.e. a dentalized laminal alveolar sibilant affricate.

Zacharý

@Probie Would that variation explain an initial devoicing? I've been trying to determine why my former teacher's name was pronounced /číkous/ (where /ou/ is like "house")

Probie

@Zacharý I'm not sure - I'm neither Polish nor even European. I can tell you that initial devoicing happens in Mongolian, but for Polish I have no idea. Names are often separate to languages and they persist beyond language changes

Zacharý

I can explain the <dz> => /dž~č/ thing as people dropping accents, for my English teacher and possibly for Adám as well. Initial devoicing and <u> as /o/, I have NO clue.

Neil

3:42 PM

@ngn Does Adám brew Geoff's key? Yes, Hebrews it.

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Zacharý

:D

Riker

4:04 PM

fueled by the desire to play windows-only games like tametsi, I've been inspired to dual boot windows 10 this morning

and I feel so sorry for y'all who have to deal with ads in your start menu

DJMcMayhem

@Riker FYI, Tametsi works fantastic in wine (at least on OS X)

Riker

oh does it

tha'ts news to me

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, I got my Mom hooked on it XD

Erik the Outgolfer

@Riker yeah, suggested apps and partly pre-installed ones

Adám

@Riker I'm so grateful for StartIsBack.

Riker

4:11 PM

oh is that a thing I'll have to check that out

also, great work windows, I love having a fake BSOD on installation

Adám

@Riker This is how my start menu looks:

Zacharý

@Adám ??

Riker

huh that's kinda nice looking

@Zacharý ^^^ looks like it's an add-on that changes the visuals

Adám

@Zacharý Not to suffer from Win10: startisback.com

@Riker Not just the looks, the functionality too.

Zacharý

That's a lot of APLs...

Adám

4:15 PM

@Zacharý Yeah, but not nearly as many as some of my colleagues.

Zacharý

@Adám ... how many do they have?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám yuck, proprietary software

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer One of the very few pieces of software I'm willing to pay for.

Luis Mendo

Any ideas? (math question)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám hm, do you know if the downloadable version is a limited-time trial?

Adám

4:17 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer As far as I remember, yes. I tried it, and couldn't let it go after the trial. Really cheap too.

Erik the Outgolfer

I hate it when they don't explicitly state that it's a trial and you have to determine it from the Buy tab, which isn't always possible

that is, if there's a Buy tab and the fact that it's just a trial isn't revealed to you before you install the software, and there's no option to buy it through its website

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Uh, it says Free Trial.

Erik the Outgolfer

> If you're a visual styles (skins) creator and intend to make visual styles for Windows 8 with Start Menu skinned, or you want to promote StartIsBack with review, you can get StartIsBack license key for free.

hm, so, if I promote it, it's free?

Pavel

@Riker My solution is to never actually use the start menu for more than searching for the exact app I want.

I never actually navigate through the menus

Erik the Outgolfer

are there many menus in there?

Pavel

4:29 PM

I have no idea
I never look at them and I'm not on Windows rn

DJMcMayhem

I just wrote one of the ugliest regexes I've ever used \vFoo[^\[\]]*\[[^\[\]]*\]\)

Riker

is that sed?

DJMcMayhem

Vim (shocker, I know)

Riker

looks like it would match Fooxx[xx])

with xx being any substring that has no [] and is any length (0 included)

right?

Adám

@DJMcMayhem A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a regex that was over 7kb.

DJMcMayhem

4:39 PM

@Riker The goal was to match that, but to explicitly not match Foo([a, b, c], [d, e, f])

I added a second list parameter to Foo so I wanted to check all the calls are correct

And actually there could be non-list arguments before the first list, so Foo(a, b, c, [d, e, f]) would be matched too

@Riker \v is a flag not a literal

Riker

i just discovered \v means 'very magic'

I am very confused

DJMcMayhem

Ah, OK

Riker

so that's the golfed version, and you don't have a ( at the front?

imo there should be one but it does make it 2 bytes more

DJMcMayhem

I don't think Foo[^(] would have matched anywhere in the file

And it wasn't explicitly golfed or anything

Riker

I meant \vFoo\([^\[\]]*\[[^\[\]]*\]\)

DJMcMayhem

4:43 PM

@Adám :|

@Riker Yeah, my point is that the \( isn't really needed since it'll match the same things regardless

Foo[^(] couldn't possibly match

FreezePhoenix

Woah should I leave

Thats a lot of blue on the screen... oh nvm thats just more code talk

Zacharý

@Adám What was this for?!

Adám

@Zacharý Matching all possible, but only, tradfn headers.

FreezePhoenix

@Adám +10

Zacharý

@Adám ;_;

FreezePhoenix

4:48 PM

I think my biggest regex was somewhere around 0.7 KB

Adám

It became so big because I generated it from a list of spelled-out headers. Later, I hand-rewrote it from scratch and then it was just 0.2 kb, iirc.

FreezePhoenix

@Adám Oh, so you optimized it later for stuff like lots of spaces, repeated letters etc

Adám

@FreezePhoenix No, that was already in the original list of patterns. I just used regex's capabilities to combine patterns instead of listing them all separated by |.

FreezePhoenix

@Adám Oh, so you found sections that were similar even between headers

Adám

@FreezePhoenix Yes.

Here is the hand-written version, 312 chars:

^ *∇ *(?|{ *[\w∆⍙]+ *} *←|[\w∆⍙]+ *←|{ *\((?| *[\w∆⍙]+)+ *\) *} *←|\((?| *[\w∆⍙]+)+ *\) *←|)(?|([\w∆⍙]+)(?| +[\w∆⍙]+| *\((?| *[\w∆⍙]+)+ *\))?| *(?| *{ *[\w∆⍙]+ *} *|[\w∆⍙]+ +|)([\w∆⍙]+)(?| +[\w∆⍙]+| *\((?| *[\w∆⍙]+)+ *\))| *\( *[\w∆⍙]+ *([\w∆⍙]+)(?| *[\w∆⍙]+)? *\)(?| +[\w∆⍙]+| *\((?| *[\w∆⍙]+)+ *\))) *(?|$|⍝|;)

Pavel

4:54 PM

Before I spend a bunch of time writing a line editor, anyone know of a library that can help me with stackoverflow.com/questions/51067238/…

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5:12 PM

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Q: Spoonerise words... in Finnish

This challenge is based on, and contains test cases from, a programming course I took at Aalto University. The material is used with permission. Two and a half years ago there was a challenge about spoonerisms in English. However, in Finnish spoonerisms are much more complicated. Spoonerisms in...