The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

9:02 PM

@mudkip201 They shut off the signal because the "driver" was actually a real person who flipped the bird to the camera

El'endia Starman

@mudkip201 It probably made it too. The biggest danger was during liftoff.

Pavel

@PhiNotPi What just happened? I can't actually watch

El'endia Starman

@Mego I did say the driver was a dummy. Who else would get in a car on top of a rocket going into space long-term?

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman It was actually Elon Musk the whole time

PhiNotPi

@Pavel It was a joke. The rocket escalated quickly.

Pavel

9:03 PM

Ah

Anonymous

26 km/s is pretty quick

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Can the output values be separated using Hello, World! consistently instead of a single character?

So, can our output look like this?

AdmBorkBork

> Hold my beer ...

flawr

@El'endiaStarman no live broadcasting from the rocket?

moonheart08

Ok. I may or may not have grown horns trying to make a "invulnerable" solution to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/155018/…

caird coinheringaahing

9:11 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, I think that's pushing it, but I'll allow it

Mr. Xcoder

Thanks :D

El'endia Starman

@flawr There was live video from the rocket. Just not right now.

betseg

@flawr there was even a live stream from the car

PhiNotPi

Somebody needs to write a "Fire simulator" challenge, as soon as possible.

mınxomaτ

This is not how git works

El'endia Starman

9:13 PM

@PhiNotPi ...do you have a "Fire extinguisher simulation" challenge ready to go or something?

@mınxomaτ Oh my.

PhiNotPi

@mınxomaτ How did you find this?

flawr

@El'endiaStarman couldn't find it :..(

mınxomaτ

@PhiNotPi github.com/…

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman No, I'm talking about how there's a "friar simulator" and "fryer simulator"

moonheart08

question: Does a CPU count as a language @cairdcoinheringaahing? I'm wondering if i can be extremely evil and use some language for an older computer.

El'endia Starman

9:15 PM

@PhiNotPi Oh, I didn't see those. Lolz.

totallyhuman

...it can seriously be any delimiter?

...

flawr

@mınxomaτ did you see his user page? :)

mınxomaτ

It's just one example.

Poke

@flawr yes. i laughed

>.<

Magic Octopus Urn

DUDE BEST IDEA EVER

Someone needs to make a challenge in honor of Elon Musk's Heavy launch today and tag him with the Twitter for PPCG.

mınxomaτ

9:17 PM

That's some dedication, the password actually works.

Magic Octopus Urn

He may honestly reply

May even compete lol.

betseg

@MagicOctopusUrn only if it gets >75 upvotes or nobody will care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Adám

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Q: Fire propagation simulator

Suppose we have a matrix like this: 11111 12221 12321 12221 11111 This matrix represents a terrain, and each cell represents a portion of terrain. The number in each cell represents the time the portion of terrain needs to be completely burnt (in minutes, if a measurement unit is needed), acco...

Magic Octopus Urn

Friar propagation simulator*

El'endia Starman

media1.giphy.com/media/zhB7z605OXrc4/giphy.gif but with s/fire/friar/.

Poke

9:20 PM

@mınxomaτ his license number is a few lines below that

DLosc

@moonheart08 If it's hardware that most people don't have access to (and that doesn't have an available emulator), it should probably be noncompeting.

caird coinheringaahing

@moonheart08 I think that;s something that decided or should be decided on meta, not by me

moonheart08

@DLosc It has an emulator, otherwise i wouldn't be writing for it :P

DLosc

@moonheart08 Then in that case, the emulator is the implementation. If it's freely available, go for it!

moonheart08

great!

besides, there's like a dozen diffrent emulators

DLosc

9:23 PM

Actually, I take that back...

There are some restrictions in the challenge itself.

moonheart08

Hence why i asked

betseg

youtu.be/-B_tWbjFIGI?t=2310 "we lost the center core"? rip

DLosc

It has to have a Wikipedia, Esolangs, or Rosetta Code article, or be on Try It Online.

moonheart08

@cairdcoinheringaahing Does it count as being on wikipedia if the hardware an assembly language runs on is on wikipedia?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, but I'd say that the language being run is the assembly, which would be the intended crack

moonheart08

9:25 PM

So no raw bytecode (Which i wasn't going to do anyways, i'm not that cruel)

Got it.

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ

moonheart08

ಠ_ಠ

The fact that sign even exists is a bad thing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Do they have to find something it runs on, or do they just have to find a match? (I don't want my answer being cracked as "Assembly Language" instead of what it really is :P)

caird coinheringaahing

A working interpreter created before the challenge (like ~~all~~ most challenges)

moonheart08

Mk.

caird coinheringaahing

totallyhuman is dominating the Robbers challenge :P

totallyhuman

9:33 PM

I just go through lists of answers with no reason

makes languages familiar a lot of the time

caird coinheringaahing

I really want to see a Jelly solution, especially one that becomes safe

totallyhuman

nah

mudkip201

lol @cairdcoinheringaahing

Anonymous

Quick someone make a challenge about the Falcon Heavy's center core while it's still relevant!

El'endia Starman

I wonder why they didn't have an external camera on it. Too far out to sea?

Anonymous

9:39 PM

@El'endiaStarman I think they had telemetry on it, but lost the feed

Anonymous

Of course, crash landing in the middle of the ocean will also cause the feed to be lost :P

El'endia Starman

Yeah, that. Still, it cut out before we saw any flame, I think.

Anonymous

The video feed cut before we even saw the core

Anonymous

It went from platform to faces

El'endia Starman

The broadcasters were clueless on what happened as well, IIRC.

betseg

9:50 PM

youtube.com/watch?v=aBr2kKAHN6M starman is live

we're living in the future

DJMcMayhem

@betseg I assumed you meant El'endia Starman

betseg

i noticed that after posting

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Yeah they looked nervous. Not "oh crap our core just exploded" nervous, but "what the hell is happening" nervous.

betseg

also, they said the bottom 2 streams were 2 boosters but they were the same

Anonymous

@betseg Yep, but when they cut to the wide angle of the boosters landing, you could see both

Magic Octopus Urn

9:54 PM

@Mego cries

Anonymous

Some intern probably put the wrong feed into the stream layout

betseg

@Mego they got fired

Anonymous

@betseg They will be the next core

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mego They'll be in the next car*.

Possibly with a boring flamethrower.

Anonymous

@MagicOctopusUrn I don't want to live in a world where flamethrowers are considered boring

betseg

9:58 PM

@betseg the world's reflection from the roadster is surreal

@Mego boring is the company that makes them, also owned by musk (was that a joke? cant say)

Adám

@betseg Yeah:

Notice the reflection in the visor too.

Anonymous

@betseg Oh

betseg

@Adám obvious cgi /s

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mego BORING as in "HELP PLEASE THIS DRILL IS BORING INTO MY FACE."

Anonymous

Just like the end of Grease

Magic Octopus Urn

10:01 PM

Or help please this traffic is boring into my mind like a drill boring into mars' core.

#PotentialElonMindQuote

Adám

@betseg Yes, confirmed by Mr. Musk himself. Check at 0:19 in:

View from SpaceX Launch Control. Apparently, there is a car in orbit around Earth. https://t.co/QljN2VnL1O

Tweeted by elonmusk on February 6, 2018 at 9:44 PM

betseg

lol

mudkip201

'a car'

he really means 'my car'

:P

betseg

he's actually rocket golfing

most amount of mass into space with the least money spent

totallyhuman

what

Magic Octopus Urn

10:04 PM

Seriously someone make an Elon musk challenge

Anonymous

@betseg I think he's a bit over the baseline for least money spent

totallyhuman

0

A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 114 bytes Mit' tää kauniina kelaa? Mil tää öisin pelaa? Sun suu kauniina sanoo: Kroohhpyyh-ZZZ-ZZZZ Z Nukuttaapi kovin! It's a poem in Finnish! And a program. It prints the numbers as bytes. English translation: What does that beautiful think? What does it play at night? Your beautiful ...

Magic Octopus Urn

And some mod twit it on twiltter.

Anonymous

@MagicOctopusUrn Be the change you want to see in the world

totallyhuman

how is this not tampio

mudkip201

10:04 PM

it's not?

odd

/me shrugs

derp

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mego maintain employment at current position without losing job O_O.

betseg

@totallyhuman magic

Anonymous

@MagicOctopusUrn Then why are you here in chat? :P

Magic Octopus Urn

@Mego barely maintaining current position without losing job O_O.

Anonymous

Maybe you should, ya know, not chat while on the job? :P

Zacharý

10:06 PM

(unless you're Adám that is)

Magic Octopus Urn

Ehhh... I mean I'm more on "get it done my morning job".

But yeah probably not haha.

Anonymous

Adám gets paid to teach us about APL, so he's a bit different :P

Οurous

Wait really?

Zacharý

Yeah, he works at Dyalog for the tools group,

totallyhuman

20 hours ago, by totallyhuman

whaddaya think

Zacharý

10:08 PM

ANd since APL isn't well known, they've found probably the best audience: us (code golfers)

Magic Octopus Urn

Does APL mean Advanced Predisposition to Language?/

Adám

@Οurous Yes, really. And for tonight's session I had my group manager following on a second screen, giving feedback, spotting typos, and answering the questions I couldn't answer.

Magic Octopus Urn

I'm kidding.

Οurous

@Adám you have a surreally cool job

Adám

@Zacharý Yeah, we've already paid one PPCGer work for us and both CEO and CXO want more.

@Οurous Yes, I do:

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A: Do any of you golf for a living?

Yes, I do! I work for Dyalog. Part of my work is "spreading the word", and that officially includes code-golfs. In fact, our APL team is looking to hire, and we are more interested in golfers than regular programmers, as the former are more likely to have the right mindset. At least one active ...

Magic Octopus Urn

10:12 PM

What is your CEO's mindset? In terms of locale, prior skillset to APL and other stuff?

Zacharý

You've said yourself APL is not a golfing language.

@Adám they want more?

Magic Octopus Urn

That's sort of why I was curious as to the theory of spreading through golfing.

Zacharý

@Adám I wonder if there are any professional golfers who code golf.

Magic Octopus Urn

*tiger woods intently creates the first 25 byte prime number checker in brainf****

Zacharý

@MagicOctopusUrn it's APL, it's not made for it, but it's really good at it.

Adám

10:16 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn No APL skills required. We can train from scratch. Knowledge of CS may be a plus (gives some base understanding of programming) or a minus (too ingrained notions about programming). Internships have happened in British Columbia, New York, and UK, but we can also do Denmark. Permanent jobs could be in UK or Denmark or remotely.

Magic Octopus Urn

@Zacharý I mean though, the end game. Like, motive?

@Adám Language expansion? Awareness?

Study of a certain realm of theory

Seems like APL has an end-game tbh, as a new evolving language.

Zacharý

Remotely as well? That's amazing.

@MagicOctopusUrn probably expansion of Dyalog, and consequently the APL language

Adám

@Zacharý Yes. Joining?

Anonymous

@Zacharý Bear in mind that employers are usually very hesitant to hire remotely without prior experience with the company

Zacharý

It's a possibility, if I'm unable to do mathematical physics and/or mathematical/computational linguistics.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:20 PM

@Mego Could offer through a contract-to-hire company.

Adám

@MagicOctopusUrn CXO keeps repeating that APL is becoming ready for prime time. Computation costs are now so insignificant compared to developer salaries that boosting the efficiency of a programmer becomes essential. APL allows a single programmer to do much more. Another prime audience is domain experts or start-up'ers who shouldn't be bothered (or can't afford) an programmer team. Learning APL makes it possible for them to single-handedly make code everything they need (i.e. full stack).

@Mego Yes. marinus's Dyalog career was: PPCG → win student competition → UK internship → Dyalog user meeting presenter → remote maintenance of tools he developed while in UK.

moonheart08

APL more just hurts my brain :P

Adám

@moonheart08 I can fix that!

moonheart08

I'm good. I have other projects at the moment

Zacharý

@Adám One down, a few to go.

moonheart08

10:25 PM

I mean, unless APL can write code for, say, a mos6502, then i don't have a use for it at this moment :P

Zacharý

@moonheart08 Could be worse, a guy made an Operating System in bf

moonheart08

Good point

betseg

@Zacharý link?

Zacharý

Brainfuck is probably the only especially language that can find usage.

Anonymous

@Zacharý Or a computer running Tetris in GoL

Οurous

10:26 PM

@moonheart08 So you're using Assembler / C?

Adám

@Zacharý Well, it was good while it lasted. He has mysteriously disappeared and we fear the worst.

Zacharý

@Mego that's PPCG, I can't remember where I heard the bf os thing

moonheart08

@Οurous i'm doing a second answer for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/155018/… (NOT mos6502) in assembly

Have fun seeking out what hardware it runs right on :P

totallyhuman

haha nice

Adám

@Zacharý How about kOS — running K on the bare metal?

Zacharý

10:29 PM

Did ngn do PPCG first, or Dyalog?

moonheart08

I'll make it a semicommon device it's written for, so you guys don't have to sift through atari 2600 clones

i'm being nice :p

Οurous

@moonheart08 You're writing assembly, and APL is confusing? Ironically, APL is the reason I'm (intentionally) never going to bother learning an assembly language / the C++ overloading system. It looks like the better option for temporary confusion vs usefulness.

moonheart08

Eh, different mindsets i guess? :P

Οurous

shrugs

Adám

@Zacharý Dyalog first.

moonheart08

10:35 PM

I do need to make a point to try and learn APL someday, even then.

Just not today

Adám

@moonheart08 You're always welcome in the APL Orchard.

HyperNeutrino

10:55 PM

wait I just noticed that on private beta you can expand vote counts even with just assoc rep

Magic Octopus Urn

There should be rep-weighted votes.

Like 10k gets 2, 50k 3, 100k 4.

HyperNeutrino

hm interesting idea

Οurous

Wait you can expand vote counts? How much rep does that take?

HyperNeutrino

I think 750 on our site, 1000 on designed sites? I can't remember

Οurous

... how does one do this, since I evidently have the ability to do so?

totallyhuman

11:00 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/privileges

Anonymous

@Οurous Click the number

Magic Octopus Urn

@Οurous Yeah, I think it's much higher to see who did what.

Οurous

@Mego oooooooh. cool.

totallyhuman

@MagicOctopusUrn no you never see that

HyperNeutrino

even mods can't

Magic Octopus Urn

11:04 PM

Really? Interesting.

Why not haha

Zacharý

@MagicOctopusUrn that would increase sockitude, no?

Anonymous

@MagicOctopusUrn Because votes are supposed to be private. All mods can see is evidence of vote fraud

HyperNeutrino

how do private beta sites usually deal with the sudden flood of misspelled duplicate tags lol

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Usually public mockery

Magic Octopus Urn

I votefrauded like, totally, all of my questions.

HyperNeutrino

11:07 PM

lol

Magic Octopus Urn

Honestly though, I think seeing votes (downvotes mostly) would let people know who voted but didn't help improve.

HyperNeutrino

revenge voting might be a problem, idk. theoretically, making vote stats public wouldn't cause any problems (maybe) but some people would go revenge-downvote other people :P

i hope no active members here would, but new users with their assoc rep might decide to, idk though

Magic Octopus Urn

Haha, that's what I'm saying though, anyone systematically caught downvoting (with history) would be banned.

In a mature community like this I'd expect it to arise 1-5 times a year lol

HyperNeutrino

lol yeah

Magic Octopus Urn

Could you imagine? "I HATE YOU!!!" 5,537 downvotes later... HA! Your REP!

Anonymous

11:15 PM

Making vote data public would almost certainly inspire grudge-voting

Magic Octopus Urn

Everyone already makes borderline "jerky" semanticist comments anyway, you kinda already do know who votes lol.

HyperNeutrino

although that would also make them easily get banned

totallyhuman

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HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn not always. if someone else comments something I think, I might just downvote and upvote their comment. total anonymity \o/ (maybe)

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino But superb owl knows.

betseg

11:17 PM

@Adám is it possible to be an intern/work at Dyalog while studying? I'll graduate from high school this year and I want to move out of Turkey before Erdoğan becomes an actual dictator

Adám

@betseg We'll you could aim for a summer internship in the UK beginning when your school ends.

Magic Octopus Urn

Imagine that tesla roadster somehow lands back on earth in 55 years.

Or gets intercepted in orbit.

$5billion blemflarks.

betseg

@MagicOctopusUrn it'd burn in the atmosphere

HyperNeutrino

anyway gtg o/

Magic Octopus Urn

Intercepted with a controlled descent using future orbs.

Or some KSP explanation lol.

moonheart08

11:23 PM

Reading through old hardware manuals is fun. :P

Adám

I need to go to bed soon, so I'd appreciate fast processing of

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Falcon Heavy stages code-golf kolmogorov-complexity ascii-art string animation Chose a set of four bytes without replacement, and not necessarily in any particular order, from any one of the following three sets: An extended-ASCII character An integer −128–127 An integer in the range 0–255 ...

Sorry to be pushy. Any feedback?

quartata

it's fine

I think you clarify the input section by saying either "one byte as input, or one signed/unsigned byte as a decimal"

Adám

@quartata Thanks. That was quick. Here, have a rocket: 🚀

totallyhuman

also a car 🚗

Οurous

Looks good

New Sandboxed Posts

11:30 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Falcon Heavy stages code-golf kolmogorov-complexity ascii-art string animation Chose a set of four bytes without replacement, and not necessarily in any particular order, from any one of the following three sets: The characters of any one single-byte encoding The Unicode characters in the ran...

Adám

@NewSandboxedPosts Sorry.

Any ideas for improving the car (<>) while keeping it more-or-less to scale?

quartata

.[=].

hmm

Οurous

oP=o

quartata

too big

Adám

@quartata That's about three characters too wide. @Οurous It has to be from the front or back to match reality.

quartata

11:34 PM

@Οurous it's a back view

Οurous

ah

quartata

@Adám that was supposed to be a back view

H.PWiz

@Adám Is some internship/work experience that I apply to do over summer. (I finish school in England this year). If so, who can I contact?

Adám

I actually carefully overlayed the ascii art over a recent photo from the launch pad to make sure the dimensions are just right.

Οurous

cb?

Adám

11:37 PM

@H.PWiz Yes. Send an email to careers@.

@Οurous Uh, is that the car?

H.PWiz

@Adám Thanks, I'll do so some time over the next couple of weeks

Adám

Hm, maybe the car could be :: ?

Οurous

@Adám It was supposed to be, yeah. I was going for the more rounded look of the back. co or cb was the closest I could get, but CO/CD might work for that too

Adám

@Οurous Seems a bit asymmetrical though.

@Οurous Maybe pq or bd ?

Οurous

@Adám bd looks really nice if you think about it as being the headlight sections and then the sides of the car viewed from the front!

Adám

11:41 PM

@Οurous Yeah, I'll go with that.

Actually, I just had a look at the photos. db may be the best fit for:

Οurous

Yeah it does match the back really, really well.

Anonymous

db works for me

moonheart08

Well that sucks. I can't pull it off (Only emulator is too incomplete, and is buggy to the point i can't make it work.).
I was going to write my submission in Assembly for the Apollo Guidance Computer.

but nah

Emulator says otherwise

:V

Destructible Lemon

I came up with an oisc but it's not particularly fun. it kind of just has multiple commands at the same time or something i guess

Adám

The challenge has been launched.

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11:52 PM

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Q: Falcon Heavy stages

Chose a set of four bytes without replacement, and not necessarily in any particular order, from any one of the following four sets: The characters of any one single-byte encoding The Unicode characters in the range 00–FF The signed decimal integers in the range −128–127 The unsigned decimal in...

code-golf string ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity animation

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