The Nineteenth Byte

@PhiNotPi I remember that. It was when we were trying to get SE's attention so we could graduate, so a bunch of us all posted challenges around the same time to get our QPD stat above 10.

Hosch250

Did you guys ever get a design?

PhiNotPi

5:20 PM

Have you seen our site? Noooo

Can't spell "November" without "No"

Hosch250

Thought not.

Erik the Outgolfer

it should be obvious that we don't have any design yet

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, will it have a robbers' thread?

Hosch250

@EriktheOutgolfer Less obvious when you are never on beta sites.

caird coinheringaahing

@Hosch250 Kinda. Most of us use the graduation userscript/design

Erik the Outgolfer

5:21 PM

@Hosch250 PPCG...beta? >_> we graduated long ago

Hosch250

@EriktheOutgolfer Well, sites with beta designs.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder I think so, it offers a rep reward to robbers

Hosch250

FWIW, I think SE does a terrible job running their sites.

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah we're generally let aside...

Hosch250

And I've spend like 5 hours on this bug.

I hate JS!!!!

Mr. Xcoder

5:23 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Looks good to me

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego ^^ that's your cue :P

Anonymous

@Hosch250 I agree. Judging by Dennis's reaction in chat, none of the current mods knew about this election before it started.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Alright, I'll post it in a bit, I have a JHT program to finish first :P

Hosch250

@Mego I don't know what's up with CR. There's not been an election since we graduated.

Of course, we got 5 mods right off, and then site activity dropped...

Anonymous

@Hosch250 SE laid off like half of the CM team, so it's not terribly surprising that things are running even more slowly than before

caird coinheringaahing

5:26 PM

Weirdly, this is the first PPCG election which will actually change the mod team

El'endia Starman

@Mego I knew that at least one CM had been laid off, but half the team?

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not true. The previous election removed gnibbler.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I may be misremembering. Lemme try to find the meta post.

caird coinheringaahing

Ah yeah, I forgot about gnibbler

Mr. Xcoder

Wait, also CJY and dmkee IIRC

Anonymous

5:27 PM

To be fair, gnibbler basically removed himself long before the election

Anonymous

@Mr.Xcoder Oh right, dmkee also. CJY was removed by becoming an SE employee, and then leaving SE.

caird coinheringaahing

Well, RIP my memory :/

Mr. Xcoder

Too many stars today

caird coinheringaahing

I know that Doorknob is the longest serving mod on the site

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I can't find the meta post anymore :(

PhiNotPi

5:39 PM

Edited my nomination post: codegolf.stackexchange.com/election/2#post-154976 let me know what you think. Main edits include drawing more attention to account age and name-dropping some community projects. Because that's what I have to sell myself with.

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Q: The modulo parity party

You are given an array A of n strictly positive integers, with n ≥ 2. Your task is to map each entry Ai to: 1 if Aj mod Ai is odd for each j such that 1 ≤ j ≤ n and j ≠ i 2 if Aj mod Ai is even for each j such that 1 ≤ j ≤ n and j ≠ i 0 otherwise (mixed parities) Example For A = [ 73, 50, 6...

Adám

Hosch250

5:55 PM

@Adám Not surprising.

Basically, it's an OOM error.

Because Word can't access the whole computer's memory, just a small portion of it.

Adám

@Hosch250 Why can't it request more memory from Windows?

Anonymous

32-bit OS?

Hosch250

@Adám Because that's not how it works :)

Basically, every program on Windows gets a chunk, and it's up to the program to stay in it.

Adám

@Mego No, look at my memory; used 7 out of 16G.

Hosch250

That's really the Word team's fault, but it might be the size of the file too.

Pavel

5:58 PM

32-bit Word?

Anonymous

Also ^

Anonymous

If the process is 32-bit, it's limited to 2 GB total, no matter what. When you account for expensive runtimes (cough UWP cough), the actual available memory can be significantly lower.

Manish Kundu

Is it possible to convert this code into a one-liner using lambda? pastebin.com/MmMpjWTa

Adám

@Pavel Ah, yes it is. I thought I had 64-bit installed. My bad, but still, that's a lot of memory used for a single 7-page document with four fonts in use.

Pavel

I can't actually see the image, but I don't think desktop Office runs on UWP?

Anonymous

6:00 PM

UWP eats memory like crazy

Anonymous

@Pavel Office 365 does, I think

Manish Kundu

It just prints factorised form of number, eg: 24 - > 2*2*2*3

caird coinheringaahing

Q: Should this be tagged with sequence?

Anonymous

@ManishKundu f=lambda x,y=[],z=2:x>1and(x%z and f(x,y,z+1+z<3)or f(x//z,y+[z],z))or y

Anonymous

I think that will work - I haven't tested it

Mr. Xcoder

6:04 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing No.

DJMcMayhem

Well, my attempts to slowly work towards socratic were foiled: I just had my first question in ages closed

It's an unfamiliar feeling

caird coinheringaahing

Fanatic? Socratic?

DJMcMayhem

Yep

Poke

@Mego i thought 32bit was limited to 4gb

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I'm certain you're long past fanatic

Mr. Xcoder

6:05 PM

I am nearly halfway through Socratic now :)

Anonymous

@Poke I believe it's 4 GB total, 2 GB per process

caird coinheringaahing

I haven't even got Curious :P

Poke

gotcha

DJMcMayhem

@Mego That's true. I'm approaching my 8th consecutive fanatic lol

If only they actually stacked like that

Manish Kundu

@Mego It didn't

Anonymous

6:10 PM

Shame. That will at least give you a framework to work with, though

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem don't worry, it happens to all of us

Manish Kundu

Yeah I am trying to continue

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer The last time I had a question closed was just shy of two years ago

Lol

Adám

Announcement: APL Cultivation (lesson) in 11 minutes in the APL Orchard.

betseg

hm jeff posts at code review codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/868/…

Erik the Outgolfer

6:20 PM

why not

DJMcMayhem

6:43 PM

On the Pro tip category, I absolutely think that The Third Stack deserves to win, but it's a little bit of a shame because the C++ tip is truly incredible.

I might bounty that one additionally

AdmBorkBork

That escalated quickly

6

DJMcMayhem

Oh wait, apparently I didn't volunteer for the bounties. Huh

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Shame on you :P

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem you still can, no one is going to say "no, you can't give away your rep, stop that".

DJMcMayhem

@Mego I'm going to take it in to my own hands and bounty the C++ tip

@Pavel Well yeah, it just means I'm not one of the officially designated people to

The C++ one won't win any way

Anonymous

6:46 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'd wait until after the Best Of voting ends

DJMcMayhem

Which I still agree with. The C++ answer is incredible, but The Third Stack is in a different category

@Mego I will

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem just edit yourself in

DJMcMayhem

@DLosc BTW, I made a language-of-the-month tag and put it on your relevant questions

Erik the Outgolfer

eh, maybe let the actual volunteers bounty first?

@Pavel he can't edit locked post...

Pavel

@EriktheOutgolfer I thought it was closed as dupe

caird coinheringaahing

6:48 PM

Give it a couple of weeks and he'll be able to :P

Erik the Outgolfer

@Pavel then I assume he can edit himself in? but not sure how it works exactly

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hehehe

Pavel

@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah it's just closed.@DJMcMayhem just edit yourself into codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14511/best-of-ppcg

label a -- goto a

How do filters work in Jelly?

ಠ_ಠ

Mr. Xcoder

@labela--gotoa What are you trying to do? I might be able to help.

Pavel

6:50 PM

Filters work in mysterious ways

caird coinheringaahing

Atom or Quick?

moonheart08

How does Jelly work in general? :P

caird coinheringaahing

@moonheart08 By chaining atoms and quicks :P

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel There are already 20 500 rep bounties offered. I think I'll pass

label a -- goto a

@Mr.Xcoder I'm learning Jelly by trying to solve my challenge, codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/142555/… I got ⁴Ḷ2*Ẇ j and now I need to filter the results to length of the input

caird coinheringaahing

6:52 PM

Use the filter quicks (Ðf and Ðḟ). It takes a condition link to the left and filters the array based on the condition result

label a -- goto a

i know, but how can I give the condition, nothing seems to work? How do I run a link on the currently filtered item?

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Is it possible to overload a function by templates? For example, if I have a void foo<T> that only works for double, int, and then a void foo<T> that only works for std::string?

Mr. Xcoder

@labela--gotoa Try <your-code>µ<conition>µÐf

label a -- goto a

@Mr.Xcoder What µ is?

caird coinheringaahing

A monadic chain separator, and I'll let Xcoder take over, two people at once can be confusing

Mr. Xcoder

6:54 PM

It starts a new monadic chain

label a -- goto a

ahh

Mr. Xcoder

See syntax.

Gtg eat, brb

label a -- goto a

Is there any print function in Jelly, for debugging?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ SE is not made for posting CnR challenges

@labela--gotoa Ṅ

label a -- goto a

@cairdcoinheringaahing CnR?

caird coinheringaahing

6:56 PM

Cops and Robbers

DJMcMayhem

@labela--gotoa Add ÇŒṘ in the footer

label a -- goto a

ahh

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing no objective winning criterion, I'll edit it in (code-golf) :-P

(it already says shortest code in bytes wins)

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I wasn't sure if code-golf applied given that it's a CnR

I;ve added code-challenge to the Robbers post

waits for the inevitable downvote

moonheart08

i already know how to confuse everyone who tries that challange. it just depends if i'm unlazy enough

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Q: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II A repost of this challenge. Meta discussion. Body of the question similar to the original Robber's challenge The Cops' Challenge The Cops in this Cops and Robbers challenge have to do two things: Choose a programming language. A valid programming langu...

code-golf cops-and-robbers obfuscation

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Q: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Robbers

Cops challenge The Robbers' Challenge Find a vulnerable answer. That is an answer, which hasn't been cracked yet and which isn't safe yet. Crack it by figuring out its language. That is, find any language in which the given program is a valid program (subject to the rules outlined in the Cops'...

code-challenge cops-and-robbers obfuscation

flawr

I'm curious, where does the "Mark II" come from? Does "Mark" have any meaning by itself?

caird coinheringaahing

I like the fact that FGITW isn't necessarily good when it comes to CnR challenges

@flawr In English in general or regarding the challenge?

flawr

English in general.

caird coinheringaahing

No idea. I think it comes from car brands

flawr

Apparently it comes from mark in the sense of a sign. (there is also an article on Mark II)

Erik the Outgolfer

7:05 PM

I think that's also how we used to call old sandboxes

Mr. Xcoder

@NewMainPosts Can't wait for someone to post a submission

Manish Kundu

lol

label a -- goto a

How do I get integer length? I keep getting 1...

from L

Mr. Xcoder

@labela--gotoa DL

Cast to decimal, get length.

label a -- goto a

ok, thanks

caird coinheringaahing

7:06 PM

@NewMainPosts And that's 6k rep :P

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I added kolmogorov-complexity

Because the output is fixed.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder D'oh, how did I forget that?

@Mr.Xcoder Do you see any golfing tips? Tying with Japt doesn't feel right :/

Mr. Xcoder

I'll take a look in a few minutes

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Thanks

Mr. Xcoder

But don't underestimate Japt.

moonheart08

7:09 PM

my first post immediately had me dderp

label a -- goto a

waah, it started working! But it's giving me duplicate results... Why is it so hard to find a function through in-page search in Jelly docs... I guess there is a function for removing duplicates, isn't there?

moonheart08

I put in the helloworld instead of my 1..100 program by mistake. lol

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I wondered why it was a Hello, World! program :P

Mr. Xcoder

@labela--gotoa Q

Hint: CMD / CTRL + F

Erik the Outgolfer

@moonheart08 has one more clue about the language

label a -- goto a

7:10 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Thanks so much.

Mr. Xcoder

I already cracked it I think.

moonheart08

yup, that one's ruined. I was using it's sample helloworld to get ideas

lol

So i have to spam the random button more.

Mr. Xcoder

@moonheart08 Was it Nightly Rust?

moonheart08

hahaha

nah

Mr. Xcoder

D'oh...

moonheart08

7:12 PM

i'm smart enough to choose a random language from the esoteric wiki

for this kind of puzzle :P

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem With template specialization, yeah

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Don't bother, it was invalid :/

Mr. Xcoder

Oh

DJMcMayhem

@Mego But can it be done without specializing each type?

label a -- goto a

Woopie, actually got score equal all other Jelly answers in the challenge! :P

caird coinheringaahing

7:15 PM

@moonheart08 Don't underestimate what people can do when it comes to obfuscation. Case in point

Erik the Outgolfer

@labela--gotoa you can join JHT in case you want!

DJMcMayhem

Apparently it could be done with sfinae

label a -- goto a

@EriktheOutgolfer I know, but I'm more of self-learning type

but idk

i can

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

We're always happy for new users :P

@moonheart08 What language was it? Or are you creating a valid answer with it? I'm curious now :P

moonheart08

not gonna use it now. VoidLang

label a -- goto a

7:23 PM

Any help golfing this? :P

For this.

caird coinheringaahing

@labela--gotoa 15 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

Remove the space

label a -- goto a

Oh

So yess! I beat the other Jelly answers with my first answer! :D I didn't achieve this success with Japt

caird coinheringaahing

Also, why is the 5 in the input field?

You never ask for input

label a -- goto a

Because I wasn't sure how it works in Jelly

I was experimenting

caird coinheringaahing

7:25 PM

Both arguments are given as command line arguments

label a -- goto a

ikr

Magic Octopus Urn

@WheatWizard (or whomever may know) Are either of these correct: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/155007/59376
I really don't know, I think so, but that guy did make valid points.

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem I don't think so. You could do assertions

Erik the Outgolfer

@MagicOctopusUrn the first one isn't 28 bytes...

Wheat Wizard

@MagicOctopusUrn Yeah I've been looking at it. I'm just not sure I totally understand your answer

Magic Octopus Urn

7:28 PM

@WheatWizard What's wrong with it?

@EriktheOutgolfer If I'm counting it as UTF-8 encoding it is, unless I need to use CP-1252 encoding for the answer. But I really didn't know which to use lol.

Wheat Wizard

I don't think anything is wrong, I just don't know 05AB1E well enough

caird coinheringaahing

@labela--gotoa Also, is the ⁴ supposed to mean 16 or are you trying to get the second argument? I think 16, but I'm not sure

label a -- goto a

@cairdcoinheringaahing 16

Magic Octopus Urn

@WheatWizard So basically ask @Adnan or @Emigna on their opinion :P?

Erik the Outgolfer

@MagicOctopusUrn consider the binary file your code is stored, if your code is 21 bytes how can your hexdump be 28 bytes? ;-)

Wheat Wizard

7:30 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn Is the concern with the behavior of the program or about the storage of the code?

Magic Octopus Urn

@EriktheOutgolfer If I was going to count the ASCII/UTF-8 code points then it would be many binary digits. The challenge specifies ASCII a couple times

Are you saying just take the 05AB1E codepoint for the hex value?

If that's the case then the 19 byte is correct.

If not the 21 is correct lol

Erik the Outgolfer

@MagicOctopusUrn yes, since that's the other encoding you're using

You may use other encodings other than ASCII such as UTF-8 as long as all other rules are followed

Magic Octopus Urn

@EriktheOutgolfer Oh, coolio, I'll fix in a min.

caird coinheringaahing

@labela--gotoa I'm not sure I understand your challenge. You say "output all possible parts of the sequence" but only output 3 numbers for each input

label a -- goto a

@cairdcoinheringaahing There is a requirement to support numbers at least >= 2048

caird coinheringaahing

7:37 PM

That doesn't really answer my question. I get this output for 2 as input, and the output in the question matches the first 3 elements. Do I only take the first 3 or can I output the entire array?

DJMcMayhem

CMC: Is it possible to implement < and > using only min() and max()?

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem With ==, you can get <=: a <= b is a == min(a, b). Likewise for >= and max.

Wheat Wizard

Do you have numeric literals?

I asked this question earlier with numeric literals and IIRC the answer was no

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard Yes

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego with == it's easy, the hard thing is to do without ;)

Wheat Wizard

7:42 PM

Apr 23 '17 at 18:41, by CartManager XD

CMC: Similar to @Downgoat 's question make a function only out of min, max and number literals that performs ` a >= 1 ? 1 : 0 ` for the reals.

The answer was no

DJMcMayhem

@Mego So max(a, b) == b === b >= a

caird coinheringaahing

@labela--gotoa Never mind my previous question, my program was wrong :/

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Yes

label a -- goto a

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh right, I misunderstood my own question...

So my program was wrong too

Had to rollback

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Q: Can we create temporary anonymous answers for challenge type questions

Questions like this, this, and this are very fun, exciting, and bring a lot of participation to PP&CG. I thoroughly enjoy participating in them, as well as just reading through them. However, I can't help think that answers to these questions would be much more fun, and much harder to crack, if ...

discussion feature-request

Mr. Xcoder

7:53 PM

> HU HU HU HU HU HU HU HU

@totallyhuman What in the world?

totallyhuman

idk

caird coinheringaahing

@NewMetaPosts Oooh, new meta question about my challenge. Tat didn't take long :P

Lord of the Golfers Hahaha

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Calculate Vapor Pressure code-golf chemistry Even when something is below its boiling point, it still evaporates, but it can't boil off completely. Instead, the liquid on the surface escapes until it reaches the "vapor pressure". Boiling occurs when this exceeds the atmospheric pressure. AP ...

label a -- goto a

conlang.stackexchange.com is out!!

It's happening!@

caird coinheringaahing

conlang?

Is that Game Of Life.SE?

totallyhuman

8:01 PM

no

Erik the Outgolfer

just a private beta most of us can't access...

totallyhuman

conlangs are languages that were not developed naturally

label a -- goto a

Conlang = Constructed language

I'm invited, because I've signed for iot

totallyhuman

they were constructed with aspects in mind

caird coinheringaahing

> The current winner is totallyhuman's ??? answer at 47 bytes

The problem with tagging code-golf :/

totallyhuman

8:05 PM

hah

moonheart08

That should be a fairly interesting answer. won't be hard to solve (I don't think) but it was fun to write. Plus i got to learn a program i don't normally use.

I could definitely remove more bytes (glaring instance i can spot) but eh.

Knew it was simple :P

now back to working on my real answer :P

DLosc

@DJMcMayhem Cool, thanks!

@labela--gotoa Awesome! I thought about committing to that proposal, but I'm not sure I have that many questions to ask. I'll definitely join when it goes public, though.

label a -- goto a

@DLosc I hoped to ask the first question, but 4 people were faster than me. :P

totallyhuman

8:21 PM

oh shoot my language has been used before ;-;

moonheart08

so many brainfuck derivatives ;-;

totallyhuman

huh, ??? is not on TIO

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think TIO existed then, and people kinda forgot after the original challenge

Calvin's Hobbies

In case people don't know, crazy SpaceX launch happening now :D youtu.be/wbSwFU6tY1c

caird coinheringaahing

@Calvin'sHobbies Shame we can't skip to the actual launch :/ 10 minutes left

DJMcMayhem

8:35 PM

Hey @Calvin, long time no see :)

flawr

@Calvin'sHobbies OOOOOooh Calvin is back, just so you know, a guy called HelkaHomba did prentend to be you

totallyhuman

yeah he had good challenges like you did, skilled impersonator

caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard Nice inclusion of the TIO link :P It tricked me for a second

Calvin's Hobbies

Heh. Hey guys. Really just dropping by to hype about rocket launches ;)

3

Οurous

Awww. But also yay. But awww.

betseg

8:38 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies T-6 minutes!

El'endia Starman

Aaand liftoff!

Pavel

Hold on, what rocket launch

caird coinheringaahing

Youtube link above

El'endia Starman

SpaceX Falcon Heavy. It's going well!

Pavel

;-; youtube blocked

caird coinheringaahing

8:47 PM

waits for an explosion That's the only fun part of a rocket launch for me :P

betseg

nice launch

Poke

10,000 km/h and rising

wowsers

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pascal's Triangle (Sort of) Most everyone here is familiar with Pascal's Triangle. It's formed by successive rows, where each element is the sum of its two upper-left and upper-right neighbors. Here are the first 5 rows (borrowed from Generate Pascal's triangle): 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 3 3 1 1...