The Nineteenth Byte

ATaco

12:06 AM

(We do have a Sandbox bot, if you've just posted this)

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@ATaco pls click link, you'll see that he did just post it

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Partitions by size Your task is to return the amount of unique partitions of of any integer n (n < 1000) into any positive integer s groups. Input may be in any form and the program must normally output the single integer answer and stop, without running into any errors. Shortest code in bytes w...

HyperNeutrino

CMP: What is a chat phrase that is (subjectively) mostly used by you?

@ATaco (silently crying here over how much better Funky is than Proton lol)

ATaco

Funky isn't good, it's terrible. But it's good enough good things that it doesn't look terrible.

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@HyperNeutrino IMO proton > funky

HyperNeutrino

12:14 AM

I mean Proton is really slow and weird too :P

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I'm sure Funky still has 10000000000000 bugs though

HyperNeutrino

True

I just haven't tried to abuse it yet :P

I feel like I should try to make Proton stringify functions properly

ATaco

Ascii-Only breaking my code has been a pretty good method of bug testing.

HyperNeutrino

lol

PPCG challenges are a great way to try to break your language and fix bugs

ATaco

It was really easy to do it with the new version of my tokenizer.

HyperNeutrino

12:17 AM

ah I see

my tokenizer kills all whitespace rip

so unless I rewrite my whole thing, I can't tell where whitespace goes

I can auto-prettify that way though lol

ATaco

Mine kills a lot of whitespace, but it remembers it.

HyperNeutrino

hm interesting

my tokenizer ignores all whitespace, though actually by changing a -1 to a 0 I could make it not ignore it

then the parser would get confused though lol

(actually now that I think of it, it might actually work...)

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@HyperNeutrino ... you just have to save original code, start and end indices

HyperNeutrino

true

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which is what sane languages do

ATaco

12:20 AM

Nah, just regex it until it's in the correct chunks.

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@ATaco what.

ATaco

That's basically how the Funky one works.

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco In {_meta={_call=f}}, f seems to be receiving itself as its first argument; is that the expected behaviour?

ATaco

The plus side of this method is that it's rather easy for me to write syntax, the downside is that it's much harder to detect where syntax errors are.

@HyperNeutrino f should be receiving the object as the first argument.

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@ATaco well it isn't...

HyperNeutrino

12:24 AM

that's weird; {_meta={_call=print}}() is printing [internal function]

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@HyperNeutrino yes because what you described is correct

for some reason taco didn't notice when i told him (indirectly) earlier >_>

hm k

Cannot Replicate

@ATaco oh wait nvm

@Pavel ewwwwwwwww...... that looks like something I'd make given my horrible graphics desgin skills lol

what?

that's odd

ATaco

12:26 AM

Send me your exact code.

HyperNeutrino

cache maybe? I swear it was not working earlier

@ATaco that was my exact code lol

wait no

I'm just extremely extremely stupid

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ATaco

I can't imagine it being Cache, I'm sure there was some difference.

HyperNeutrino

nope you're right

sigh; watches the stars roll in for my self-declaration of intellectual incompetence

ATaco

But, what was the issue?

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@ATaco yay shorter quine

HyperNeutrino

12:30 AM

I thought there was an error in that it was showing the called function in the outputted object but then I realized that that's because I put the function inside of the outputted object

Also 10/10 automatic expression separation

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem Use Cheddar it's both :D

oh wait someone already made that joke

Pavel

@Downgoat Poorly designed and hard to work with? Sounds about right.

Downgoat

yes

that was joke

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@ATaco feature-request string interpolation

ATaco

Elaborate.

Nvm, google is my solution.

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12:35 AM

"foo#{var}#{1+2}bar"

ATaco

You Can format it right now, at the very least. string.format("this %s is %s text!","hink","honk")

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A: Add a language to a polyglot

150. K-on F*ck, 6882 bytes #16 "?63(o+?50;+'51;'# #@"/*"r"{\D-v e-'[af2.q]PkPPX)\(9 9'#CO"14"^*/ #/*0|7//```"` [>.>.])[-'][( >77*,68*,@'_ )(22)S/ \\7aa*+42@n;EEEEEδΘΔΔΔΘΔΘλiiipsddpsdoh k zzzzkf kf k zzzzzd kf k zzzzza kf bfz(coding=utf8 1P''53'S^'????!?!??!??!!!!???!?...

150 languages in the polyglot now

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@ATaco you could already do this with %...

ATaco

% only works with a single value, (And it's just sugar for format)

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@ATaco .........................

why does it not accept ~~chairs~~ tables

ATaco

12:40 AM

Because I never thought to make it take tables.

Try it online!

This language is actually starting to feel a little powerful.

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco Isn't it great when you're working on a language and all seems to just be a pain and suddenly it all works? :P

ooh :: what does that mean in Funky

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@HyperNeutrino curry i think?

ATaco

Curry Index. Returns the function at the index with the first argument substituted with the object.

HyperNeutrino

huh

what hold on i'm confused now

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@ATaco no wait this is bind right

HyperNeutrino

12:45 AM

so what does a::b(c) translate to in normal people speak

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b::apply = function.apply(b, ...args) right

HyperNeutrino

what is function though

ATaco

So if you have an object o={f=s=>print(s)}, then calling o::f() will call f with the argument o.

HyperNeutrino

ohhhh

that makes sense

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@HyperNeutrino type of b

HyperNeutrino

12:46 AM

cool I should add that to Proton

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@ATaco So it is bind, JS has same thing

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only ah ok

wait that's what it means? oh ok nvm then I can't add it to Proton yet lol

wait it's bind?

then that's just (o&f)() in Proton isn't it... hm

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wait

idk

HyperNeutrino

wait no it isn't, nvm.

because o::f(...) is effectively o.f(o, ...)

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@HyperNeutrino yeah no it's ~~(o.f&o)(...)~~ ninja'd

ATaco

12:47 AM

Note that the argument to :: is a string, much like . would be.

HyperNeutrino

wait I think I could still make this work in Proton

except I'm not sure if operators are able to precede function calling yet in Proton because it's coded into the system

wait no nvm i'm dumb I think

yeah nvm . precedes () precedes + so it has to work

oh yeah I just need to make it a special token like =, ., @, !!, ??, and %%.

I can't even remember what half of those mean anymore ._.

@ATaco wait a string? shouldn't it be an identifier?

like the way . is matched is <expression> . <identifier>

anyway gtg take a shower brb in ~10 minutes

muddyfish

If anyone wants one of these, now's probably the cheapest times :P

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1:12 AM

@ATaco this is wonderfully hacky, just like Ruby and lua

HyperNeutrino

once Proton gets internal types completed I wouldn't doubt that it would end up looking really similar to this lol

probably something like:

string.__mod__ = (s, f) => f::apply(s::format)

so wait does that essentially mean dict.apply(f, s::format) which is dict.apply(f, x => string.format(s, x))?

ATaco

@ASCII-only That was one of the intentions.

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@HyperNeutrino yep

HyperNeutrino

I mean a constructor would probably look like (a, b, c) => {"__add__": x => a + x, "__sub__": x => b - x} or something like that

or in true Proton spirit, (a,b,c)=>{"__add__":a&(+),"__sub__":b&(-))}

@ASCII-only ah ok cool thanks

ATaco

mod = function(a,b)return String.format(a, table.unpack(b))end is the lua equivalent.

HyperNeutrino

1:17 AM

what does dict.apply mean

also the best thing about proton is sometimes I'm testing out some Python stuff to figure out how Proton should behave on TIO and then I realize I forgot to switch from Proton to Python because most simple Python programs work in Proton :P

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@HyperNeutrino wait what no function.apply...

HyperNeutrino

oh?

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well, bind

ATaco

Funky doesn't have this, which is why i keep passing things as the first argument to other things.

And why :: exists in the first place.

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@ATaco :|

ATaco

1:20 AM

It does have arguments though.

Socratic Phoenix

@ATaco Can you declare arguments in a function, or does it just pass whatever was passed on the call?

ATaco

It just passes whatever was passed.

HyperNeutrino

Also @ATaco I caused a JavaScript error: tio.run/##JYpLCoAgFAD3nuIRhArhDewG7drHs7SkL/…

ATaco

I'm not very surprised. Funky has essentially no error handling.

HyperNeutrino

How do you get the type of an object

ATaco

1:30 AM

(I forgot to add a global for that)

HyperNeutrino

lol

Socratic Phoenix

Wait... there are programming languages that don't have declared arguments? I feel like I've been lied to my whole life... (does JavaScript do that?)

@ATaco in my language, objects don't even have types!

HyperNeutrino

I'm sure they do, just not meaningful types :P

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@SocraticPhoenix don't have declared arguments? as in no arguments variable? yes... basically every argument

@SocraticPhoenix which language

HyperNeutrino

@SocraticPhoenix Well the only language I can think of without declared arguments is Positron but almost all languages support declared arguments, just that some support extra arguments like that of JavaScript

ATaco

1:32 AM

@SocraticPhoenix Wait, I probably phrased that wrong, yes you can declare arguments like function(a,b){}

quartata

@Geobits you hyped for November 1st?

Socratic Phoenix

oh...

but does the function have to check argument count?

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@quartata wait what's happening

@SocraticPhoenix wat.

quartata

@ASCII-only design silly

Socratic Phoenix

I'm confused -_-

HyperNeutrino

1:33 AM

lol

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@quartata oh yeah forgot about that >_>

quartata

you jest

ATaco

@SocraticPhoenix Nope.

quartata

but then on november 1st we'll see who's laughing

mark my words

Socratic Phoenix

@ATaco then how does that link earlier work?

HyperNeutrino

1:33 AM

(watch design come out november 2nd just to troll quartata)

quartata

hahaha

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@HyperNeutrino at exactly 12am

Socratic Phoenix

this one

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@SocraticPhoenix it has all the arguments in a variable... just like JS. If you add arguments you can access them with that too

ATaco

(Return is handled via the last expression)

HyperNeutrino

1:35 AM

@SocraticPhoenix arguments is a variable containing all of the arguments no matter what. named

Socratic Phoenix

But... is it not declared with no arguments?

HyperNeutrino

nope

well yes

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@SocraticPhoenix yes?

Socratic Phoenix

You can just add extra arguments on call?

HyperNeutrino

but you can have extra arguments and the overflow is just in arguments and not named

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1:35 AM

@SocraticPhoenix yes

Socratic Phoenix

woah

HyperNeutrino

javascript doesn't care at all lol

Socratic Phoenix

my mind is blown

HyperNeutrino

tio.run/##SyvNy678/z@tNC@5JDM/… edge-case testing :P

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@HyperNeutrino they're all in arguments...

ATaco

1:35 AM

I think that's more my fault :P

HyperNeutrino

well not just the overflow but the overflow does show up there

I wonder what happens for proton if you do that

Socratic Phoenix

-_- i took a really long time writing the arg-count checker for my language... and JS & Co don't even use that kind of thing...

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@ATaco :| no named args

HyperNeutrino

Same thing with Proton as in Funky

anyway brb o/

Socratic Phoenix

and same thing for me too‌... I could've sworn I made sure you couldn't have duplicate argument names...

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1:41 AM

lol

Socratic Phoenix

Wow... no one seems to have implemented duplicate param name checking... xD

Conor O'Brien

are we talking about js still

Socratic Phoenix

Funky, Proton, and Shnap... all of which just let you use duplicate parameter names (and maybe JS, I'm not sure)

and Cheddar...

Eric Tressler

@ASCII-only I'm issuing a hotfix to scale the title/mine count on higher resolutions

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@EricTressler okay

Conor O'Brien

1:51 AM

that's awkward

I should fix that

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@SocraticPhoenix nope

@ConorO'Brien :P wow even stacked

Socratic Phoenix

Right!

Conor O'Brien

well that's because stacked is monkey-taped together

Socratic Phoenix

I guess its just something you gloss over when implementing stuff...

Conor O'Brien

^

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1:52 AM

@ConorO'Brien Funky even more so

Conor O'Brien

link to funky? sounds... funky

Socratic Phoenix

fixed it for me :)

quartata

@ConorO'Brien didn't you rewrite Stacked in C

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@ConorO'Brien tio.run/#funky

Conor O'Brien

@quartata ok so back then I was lazy and didn't want to implement list types for each primitive and I didn't know how to reference not-yet-defined classes so I wrote most of it in C but wrapped it in C++. unsurprisingly I judiciously burned it to the ground

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1:56 AM

@ConorO'Brien ...

quartata

lol

you know about forward declarations now though right

Destructible Lemon

ok so I can't seem to connect to golang.org (isup.me says it's working)

help

i need to install go

Socratic Phoenix

I can connect... Maybe if you go to a better website?

Destructible Lemon

socratic which website can i install go from

Socratic Phoenix

dunno xD just did it for the punz

the real question is why can't you connect to golang...

Destructible Lemon

2:03 AM

idk

HyperNeutrino

I feel like all languages made by PPCG users have a bunch of supposed nonsense things that work

Destructible Lemon

I'm gonna try the wayback machine site

Socratic Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino yep

HyperNeutrino

also a lot of languages we make seem to allow placing two expressions right next to each other which looks weird sometimes but technically still makes sense

I think most languages disallow that to prevent programmers from making mistakes :P

Socratic Phoenix

@DestructibleLemon what OS do you have? I can try and give you the direct download link from the website...

Destructible Lemon

2:04 AM

wayback is not letting me download it

I have mac

Socratic Phoenix

Try: storage.googleapis.com/golang/go1.9.1.darwin-amd64.pkg

@HyperNeutrino True... but still, if we didn't let you put expressions next to each other it wouldn't be golfy...

HyperNeutrino

exactly :P

Socratic Phoenix

Some of the languages I've made are just really weird though... the first one I ever made was really terrible... it was like ADD 1 AND 2 AND PRINT...

Destructible Lemon

ok so i downloaded it and used the package but how do i use go now

Socratic Phoenix

dunno... guess the documentation from the website would be useful huh...

Eric Tressler

2:07 AM

@SocraticPhoenix and every line ends with CHA CHA CHA?

Socratic Phoenix

@EricTressler actually every line ends with a semi-colon... for some reason

Destructible Lemon

i mean typing "go" in terminal doesn't access it

help

Socratic Phoenix

why can't languages just make really good guesses about what statements go where...

Destructible Lemon

how do i view my path variable again?

Socratic Phoenix

I use windows so i dunno :(

@EricTressler Behold the horror:

START;
FUNCTION HELLO EQUALS PRINT (Hello_World!);
FUNCTION NUMS EQUALS MATH 1 * 2 + 5 AND PRINT;
CALL NUMS;
CALL HELLO;
END;

HyperNeutrino

2:10 AM

uhm

Socratic Phoenix

#FirstLang

it was just a big long string of if statements...

HyperNeutrino

My first language actually was a lot worse than that

I wouldn't really even consider a language though, and besides, most of the specs weren't my idea :P

Socratic Phoenix

I fail to see how it is possible to be "worse"

HyperNeutrino

I don't think it was TC and I don't think I have the code anymore

Destructible Lemon

ok so i found where go is but how do i use it

Eric Tressler

2:12 AM

@SocraticPhoenix what about Shakespeare

Socratic Phoenix

lol, I think the one above is technically TC because I think it can do recursion & it has if statements... but it doesn't have loops or anything

user202729

I haven't even implemented a language (except SK combinator, ///, Lisp (incomplete, gave up already)) so at least having implemented a language is better than do nothing.

HyperNeutrino

I think my first serious attempt at a programming language was PostL.

That would make sense because it's the only language I made in Java, and I learned Java before Python.

Eric Tressler

Yeah, I've never written a language

Socratic Phoenix

all hail java

HyperNeutrino

2:13 AM

I've written way too many :P

Socratic Phoenix

define "way too many"

I have like 7

Eric Tressler

I do all of my work in Java. I don't mind it at all, I think it's fine

Socratic Phoenix

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HyperNeutrino

Enough for Dennis to tell me to stop making new ones and instead make one actually good :P

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@SocraticPhoenix >30

Socratic Phoenix

2:13 AM

woah...

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@HyperNeutrino *too few

HyperNeutrino

lol

I guess

Destructible Lemon

\o/ i did it

i am computer genious

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@SocraticPhoenix See Tux and Conor for examples

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon congratulations on whatever

Socratic Phoenix

2:14 AM

I'm pretty comfortable with the one I've got now... but I really want to make a statically typed one...

HyperNeutrino

I mean making a practical lang is like 50x effort of a simple golflang

Socratic Phoenix

not a dynamic one though... they're pretty fine

gotta brb

Destructible Lemon

ok so it turns out I'm not gonna be able to get this thing because it needs golang.org to download 😭

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@SocraticPhoenix Mine was even worse

@DestructibleLemon use a glype proxy

Destructible Lemon

how

quartata

2:16 AM

@DestructibleLemon are you trying to install Go?

Destructible Lemon

no, I'm trying to get a go package thingy now

go get -u github.com/fogleman/primitive

how to do this without golang.org working

HyperNeutrino

go get -a --job

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@DestructibleLemon this doesn't work?

Destructible Lemon

no u

@ASCII-only I already have go

I'm trying to get a thing with go now

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@DestructibleLemon wait why does go get need to connect to golang

Destructible Lemon

2:18 AM

i have no idea

package golang.org/x/image/math/fixed: unrecognized import path "golang.org/x/image/math/fixed" (https fetch: Get golang.org/x/image/math/fixed?go-get=1: net/http: TLS handshake timeout)

a bunch of things like that

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@DestructibleLemon oh dependencies

why is it broken anyway

Destructible Lemon

i have no idea

especially since isup.me says it's up

HyperNeutrino

Try using rm -rf / to clear your cache and then :(){ :|:& };: to restart your connection and try again (p.s. don't) (disclaimer: if your computer breaks it's your fault)

Socratic Phoenix

=_=

^ alien meh face

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino delet this

HyperNeutrino

2:23 AM

nah fam

Conor O'Brien

@quartata yes

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino did you just say fam

HyperNeutrino

yes I did

Destructible Lemon

😤 we do not use that word

Socratic Phoenix

@DestructibleLemon he did fam

Destructible Lemon

2:24 AM

😱

Socratic Phoenix

@DestructibleLemon wait why?

Destructible Lemon

because it is dumb

Socratic Phoenix

also how are you making emojis?

@DestructibleLemon true

Destructible Lemon

the emoji button

Socratic Phoenix

what emoji button...

Destructible Lemon

2:24 AM

the secret one

Socratic Phoenix

oh that one!

HyperNeutrino

that one

why do you still have that

Conor O'Brien

@ATaco plz add docs for funky it seems like a nice language

HyperNeutrino

that is the embodiment of evil

Socratic Phoenix

ahhh i switched to mobile and can't leave

HyperNeutrino

2:25 AM

request desktop

also add docs because then you don't forget what all of your features are (cough me with Proton)

Socratic Phoenix

better now :)

@HyperNeutrino I added docs to Shnap but now they're all outdated and don't reflect the current features xD

ATaco

I suck at writing docs tho

Conor O'Brien

CMC: given a number between -100 and 100, determine if it's hexadecimal representation is found anywhere within your code.

HyperNeutrino

rip

Socratic Phoenix

well only you can write the docs since no one else knows how it works yet...

HyperNeutrino

2:27 AM

lol

I attempted Proton docs but they're outdated as well

Socratic Phoenix

I think eventually I'll just re-do all the docs...

ATaco

@ConorO'Brien RProgN 2, 1 byte -

user202729

@ConorO'Brien Jelly, 0 bytes: TIO

ATaco

Gives no value (Falsey) for any input.

HyperNeutrino

s/it's/its/

Proton: print(False)

I feel like it's too easy in almost all languages because of this lol

Socratic Phoenix

2:29 AM

@HyperNeutrino but e...

HyperNeutrino

oh

user202729

@HyperNeutrino and 'a'.

Socratic Phoenix

xD

HyperNeutrino

I'm dumb

print(r!=r) I think

or if None is valid falsy then print(r)

ATaco

What's that Collaborative text editor we occasionally use..?

user202729

2:31 AM

C++: int f(){int x;return x!=x;}

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco HackMD?

ATaco

That's the one.

HyperNeutrino

@user202729 what about e in return

:P

ATaco

Funky, 7 bytes x=>x!=x

user202729

f too.

HyperNeutrino

2:32 AM

true

@ATaco oh right polyglot with Proton then :P

and with JS? lol

Socratic Phoenix

@ConorO'Brien Shnap, 11 bytes: print(null), or $n=>n!=n using @ATaco's technique

Java: x->x!=x (nearly polyglot with Funky/Proton/JS, but not quite)

user202729

C++ 27 int e(int x){return x!='<put literal character 0x0e here>'}

HyperNeutrino

also Proton, longer but no lambda: (x=>x,x=>x)+*(!=)

Socratic Phoenix

when u have to write an essay for school but you would really rather chat on TNB...

HyperNeutrino

wait nvm

it has two lambdas

Conor O'Brien

2:34 AM

CMC: given two integers, determine whether or not they share any digits in their hexadecimal representations

HyperNeutrino

why am I so stupid

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino lol

@HyperNeutrino ~~1!=1~~ wait i didn't see CMC

HyperNeutrino

hm?

is confuz

anyway gtg o/

user202729

Jelly, 5 bytes TIO - [] for falsy, else for truthy.

ASCII-only

@user202729 else?

user202729

2:44 AM

C++, 101 TIO

Socratic Phoenix

@ConorO'Brien Java: (a,b)->{for(String c:Integer.toString(a,16).split(""))if(Integer.toString(b,16).contains(c))return true;return false;} (I'm not sure I can get it much shorter...)

#SoVerbose

tio

user202729

false==1<0,true==1>0

Socratic Phoenix

oh true... xD

I'm tired

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino 'z'<'y'

ATaco

2:57 AM

Anyone want to help me write the Docs for funky..?

Conor O'Brien

3:14 AM

I would but now I must rest

ATaco

3:26 AM

Yay! Metatables!

ATaco

5:05 AM

Woot! I fixed Function scoping!

Which is why f=n=>n?f(n-1)+n*n:0 didn't work.

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6:16 AM

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Q: Stern-Brocot Tree using c language

In number theory, the Stern-Brocot tree is a method of listing all non-negative rational numbers as well as a point representing infinity (here represented formally as 1/0). The tree may be created by an iterative process. It is easiest to describe as a list. Beginning with the list {0/1, 1/0} re...

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7:43 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Highest or Lowest Occurrences? code-golfstring Challenge: Inputs: A string containing printable-ASCII (excluding spaces, tabs and new-lines) A boolean † Output: The parts of the String are divided into four groups: Lowercase letters Uppercase letters Digits Other Based on the boolean,...

Adám

8:03 AM

@ConorO'Brien Dyalog APL, 12 bytes: ∨/=/16⊥⍣¯1⊢⎕

ATaco

8:26 AM

Playing with Funky as an actual language.

ATaco

8:37 AM

I love this language

ASCII-only

8:59 AM

@ATaco ... comparisons are supposed to return booleans

ATaco

Just because they should, doesn't mean they are forced to.

Some bugfixes not on TIO yet make this better.

(Like how the _call metavalue couldn't return anythng)

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Q: Plz solve this and give me the answer

There are N cities in Byteland numbered 1 to N with city 1 as the capital. The road network of Byteland has a tree structure. All the roads are bi-directional. Alice and Bob are secret agents working for the Bytelandian Security Agency (BSA). Each secret agent is assigned a random city each month...

string

ATaco

@NewMainPosts Not even trying..?

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