The Nineteenth Byte

DJMcMayhem

8:00 PM

"X doesn't work!" 'Try Y instead.' "I'm sorry, that's clearly wrong because X doesn't work."

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem The user wanted you to integrate it for them.

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem what would you expect? It's SO after all

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Clearly the correct answer is "Try X without Y"

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem Do the same as them. "Oh. A completely different approach would be Y".

AdmBorkBork

> I answered a question on SO

there's your first mistake

DJMcMayhem

8:01 PM

Such ping, much wow

caird coinheringaahing

DJ, should we ping you like this from now on?

wizzwizz4

@AdmBorkBork Hey - Stack Overflow is useful.

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, that's much better :P

wizzwizz4

It's just the script-kiddies, help-vampires and lazy programmers who cause the problems with Stack Overflow.

DJMcMayhem

@wizzwizz4 Isn't that like 98% of the demographic? :P

HyperNeutrino

8:04 PM

I mean I can't think of many cases where that would be useful lol

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem Yes, but that's the 98% of users below 100 reputation.

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem ninja'd before I even typed it

caird coinheringaahing

@wizzwizz4 Yes, but unfortunately, they can misinterpret "I have no idea where to even start" for "Help-vampire" (which I've encountered a couple of times)

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem You're popular this hour. You get many pings consecutively.

DJMcMayhem

9 pings currently on my screen

caird coinheringaahing

8:05 PM

@DJMcMayhem Then clear them :P

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem My screen is big so I see more.

caird coinheringaahing

Also, you complained about SO, that's basically a "Ping me please" here :P

HyperNeutrino

Stack Overflow - Where Developers Learn, Share, & Build Careers

wizzwizz4

@Mego Even Retrocomputing is starting to get that. YANA.

caird coinheringaahing

Programming Puzzles and Code Golf - Where SO rejects go to learn programming

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HyperNeutrino

8:07 PM

haha

I've seen at least three questions like "why does calling a function not work" -> because you need brackets

Mr. Xcoder

Stack Overlow - Where nice users try to help lazy programmers, and other lazy users try to help the lazy users. The lazy users always win.

/s

AdmBorkBork

Also, DJ, I'm catching up to you on Socratic. I'm currently at 65, you're at 96.

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino Stack Overflow - Where Developers Learn, Share & Beg for Careers.

HyperNeutrino

lol

Stack Overflow - Where developers give help, noobs copy code, and nobody learns /s

caird coinheringaahing

Who knew that insulting a chat room host would get you multiple stars :P

Anonymous

8:09 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing s/SO/CR

wizzwizz4

Retrocomputing - Where obsolete programmers go to pretend that their knowledge is still relevant. /jk

Mr. Xcoder

I would add Nobody gives a damn so getting +10 is hard as hell unless you create a list comprehension for a newbie

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caird coinheringaahing

@wizzwizz4 And is moderated by someone still in school :P Makes sense

HyperNeutrino

I usually get reputation in batches of +25 on SO because if the person actually bothers to check if they got an answer it will work (because I always make sure that you can just copy-paste my code directly in place of yours) then they upvote and accept

Socratic Phoenix

@cairdcoinheringaahing I literally did that...

muddyfish

8:11 PM

Is chatexchange development still active?

HyperNeutrino

otherwise it just goes ignored for eternity lol :(

caird coinheringaahing

@SocraticPhoenix Same here :P

HyperNeutrino

I forget how I found this place but I'm pretty sure it wasn't by getting rejected from SO :P

wizzwizz4

@SocraticPhoenix That's what I did...

Socratic Phoenix

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm not even sure I can post questions on SO...

Adám

8:11 PM

@wizzwizz4 Does APL qualify as retrocomputing? It is over 50yo.

wizzwizz4

@SocraticPhoenix I got unbanned after asking for help in TNB with fixing old questions.

Socratic Phoenix

@wizzwizz4 lol I'm too lazy to fix old questions though...

HyperNeutrino

Hey I think I remember somebody coming into TNB and asking for SO question help... maybe it was you? idk :P

wizzwizz4

@Adám The application of APL to old systems counts. The language itself doesn't because Retrocomputing isn't Stack Overflow.

AdmBorkBork

@Adám Isn't it still in development, though?

wizzwizz4

8:13 PM

Although stuff about the language that isn't SO stuff might be on-topic; it depends what it is.

HyperNeutrino

lol I found a -2 accepted answer

Adám

@wizzwizz4 Heh, I have an APL\360 running on an IBM/360 hardware emulator on my laptop…

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino There are a lot lower score accepted answers than that.

HyperNeutrino

oh huh

ok

Socratic Phoenix

The best answers are the ones which are accepted and upvoted but totally wrong...

wizzwizz4

8:14 PM

@Adám Is that to ensure backwards compatibility?

Are you going to polyfill new features to APL\360?

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino There is a -23 accepted answer on SO

HyperNeutrino

oh god

Adám

@wizzwizz4 No, for fun. But yes, pretty much all APL\360 code can run on modern systems. In fact, the only things that don't work are calls to system-specific services.

caird coinheringaahing

Well, it would take 8 downvotes to not profit from an accept

wizzwizz4

@Adám Calls to system-specific services would be on-topic on Retrocomputing, by the way.

Adám

8:15 PM

@wizzwizz4 :-D That would be up to IBM to do.

Dyalog doesn't run on System z (today's version of /360), but we do run on AIX.

wizzwizz4

@Mr.Xcoder I've only found -20.

Adám

Oooh, looks like APL\360 is finally becoming obsolete; I don't think it can run on a z14 from this year, only on z13 from last year!

Mr. Xcoder

Havibg trouble finding the link, on mobile

wizzwizz4

@Mr.Xcoder There's one about DOM reference equality javascript -20 iirc.

Mr. Xcoder

Lol

HyperNeutrino

8:20 PM

lol

Mr. Xcoder

Also, there's this:

-283

Q: A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required

Update: January 15, 2016 Thank you for your patience and feedback. We're going to delay the implementation for now - we'll be back soon to open some more discussions. Important context for those arriving from reddit and slashdot links: The status quo is not "public domain"; attribution i...

HyperNeutrino

oh rip that person

Mr. Xcoder

I wonder if that person has hit negative repcap :P

HyperNeutrino

:P

wizzwizz4

@Mr.Xcoder That exists?

caird coinheringaahing

8:22 PM

@HyperNeutrino Well, they work for SE, so they can (theoretically) change the code to give them all the rep back

Mr. Xcoder

@wizzwizz4 I don't think so.

AdmBorkBork

It's on Meta

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing They don't need to. They have this post

Mr. Xcoder

@AdmBorkBork you do own rep on meta

(Meta Stack Exchange only)

caird coinheringaahing

Why on earth is this a tag?

AdmBorkBork

8:23 PM

Ah, I didn't see it was mother meta

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing For lolz probably

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Because they mail you stuff

AdmBorkBork

@cairdcoinheringaahing Top users when a site graduates get stuff

DJMcMayhem

I've gotten SE swag before

That's the official term

HyperNeutrino

well technically yes I guess :P

AdmBorkBork

8:24 PM

Which is funny, because swag originated from conventions and stands for Stuff We All Get

caird coinheringaahing

Hahaha

DJMcMayhem

I have an ELL shirt

wizzwizz4

I haven't claimed my mod swag yet.

caird coinheringaahing

Hahahahahahaha. I cannot tell you how hard I'm laughing right now

Mr. Xcoder

As you seem to know more than me, when is swag earned (cc @DJMcMayhem)

wizzwizz4

8:29 PM

@Mr.Xcoder 100k rep.

Mods get a mod hat.

HyperNeutrino

Network or site?

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder Or when a site graduates and you're one of the top 72 users at graduation time

Mr. Xcoder

@wizzwizz4 ^^?

caird coinheringaahing

I can just imagine Dennis walking into a maths lecture with his mod swag on :P

HyperNeutrino

The nice thing about PPCG is even though I don't have an insane amount of rep, I'm still top 100 :P

wizzwizz4

8:32 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Afaik it's just a hat.

HyperNeutrino

simply because there aren't really many people with over 200 rep (people who come to this site and then don't stay)

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing @_@ indeed that would be fascintaing... I am literally starring at that message for like, 45 seconds

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino And the only one without a gold badge :(

HyperNeutrino

lol

soon, I tell you, soon

I'm 83.7% to gold code-golf

caird coinheringaahing

> 837/1000 score

Everyone mass upvote Hyper

HyperNeutrino

8:33 PM

._.

if OEIS challenge were code-golf I'd have it by now (lol not actually) (I think I've said this a million and three times already)

Mr. Xcoder

I had ~1 gold badge when you were first complaining you didn't have any, now I have 4 and you still don't have any @HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

lol

I think of all people so far you were the one who overtook me the best :P

I'm too lazy to answer anything I can't Jelly/Python/Proton FGITW nowadays so I get like 50 rep a day lol

Mr. Xcoder

Thanks :-)

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino I get less than 1 rep a day. :-D

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino fun fact: I got +45 today

HyperNeutrino

8:36 PM

@wizzwizz4 lol nice :P

@Mr.Xcoder fun fact: my only "achievement" today is getting a tag badge lol

AdmBorkBork

@HyperNeutrino Go for Electorate, it's an easy gold badge to get

DJMcMayhem

CMP: What is your average rep/day? (total rep / total number of days spend on PPCG)

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino Overall on the network is probably around 3, but I haven't posted many non-sandboxed challenges and I'm terrible at answers.

Mr. Xcoder

(Ignore the +155 and +200 from the last couple of days)... Godmmit Dennis overtook me in the quarter leaderboard

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino "only"... "tag badge"... Does not compute.

HyperNeutrino

8:37 PM

@DJMcMayhem VTC as dupe of codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/119050/…

AdmBorkBork

@DJMcMayhem Days spent or total days?

DJMcMayhem

Total days

HyperNeutrino

@wizzwizz4 lol well I get those all the time (jkjk I actually don't)

@DJMcMayhem oh then not exact dupe but still pretty close

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino I've never got a tag badge on any site.

HyperNeutrino

rip

DJMcMayhem

8:38 PM

It's not a challenge, just a poll

AdmBorkBork

lol, today is my 800th day here

Mr. Xcoder

@wizzwizz4 Anyway it's particularly easy on PPCG

HyperNeutrino

oh

wizzwizz4

Retrocomputing's the only site that thinks I have a chance of getting one, but it's the one site on which I don't need one. :-)

HyperNeutrino

I don't know how many days I've spent here.

DJMcMayhem

8:38 PM

Mine is 31.4

AdmBorkBork

24.155 rep / day

wizzwizz4

@Mr.Xcoder Define "easy". ;-)

DJMcMayhem

That's kinda cool

pi * 10 :P

HyperNeutrino

actually nvm my activity log goes back to before my deletion

dzaima

@DJMcMayhem 15.7. A lot more than I expected

DJMcMayhem

8:39 PM

Apparently today is my 1,122'th day here

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm, I wonder what'll happen first, I overtake Hyper's rep, or Hyper gets a gold badge?

HyperNeutrino

Can I just assume that my first day here was the first time I got a rep change? I don't know how else to figure it out

Mr. Xcoder

IDK how many days I spent here, but I will take an approximation: joined 1yr,1mo->~400 days

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino Give me a sec - I'll tell you a way as soon as I decompress it.

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing well it will take you at least about 40 days to catch up to me assuming I don't start losing rep rapidly

@wizzwizz4 oh ok :P

Mr. Xcoder

8:40 PM

(BTW I have been lurkibg for the first 4 months)

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino You can see every day that you've visited in your profile where it tells you the number of consecutive days

HyperNeutrino

wait are you using the person in front of me and the person behind me?

wizzwizz4

@HyperNeutrino Clicky

HyperNeutrino

@DJMcMayhem except I got deleted halfway through that

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem can you please take a look at mine, on mobile so it doesn't show?

HyperNeutrino

8:41 PM

@wizzwizz4 oh ok

anyway brb o/

i'll be back in like 10-20 minutes actually

caird coinheringaahing

Ive got to go here as well o/

wizzwizz4

I've got to go - a person wants me to prove my speech synthesis ability.

caird coinheringaahing

Bye bye ~~Siri~~ wizzwizz o/

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder Actually, I don't think I can. I think you can only see your own

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem oh shoot. Anyway, I think I have ~400 days so ~36 rep/day

Will take a look tomorrow to make sure the result is correct

HyperNeutrino

8:48 PM

My first rep change was +20 on Sep 3 2015

today is Oct 19 2017

That's a difference of 731 (leap year) + (30 - 3) + 19 days

so 777 days

LOL what a great number; 13200/777=16.988 rep/day

Mr. Xcoder

eyes are slowly closing gtg o/

HyperNeutrino

bye o/

I feel like it's time for me to dig up an ancient unanswered challenge and go answer it

Last time I did that was decently successful

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

hi

HyperNeutrino

hello

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I got a superzoom camera today

(birthday present)

HyperNeutrino

9:03 PM

cool

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

It is so zoom

If you look close you can see my super pun. Just don't zoom in too far

HyperNeutrino

I don't see any pun, just the strange kerning between z and o which is oddly compressed.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

NO KERNING :P

HyperNeutrino

whoa what the heck?

I think I just triggered a keyboard command in SE

I didn't know those existed lol

I did not know SE had keyboard commands

wait I think that might be the gradscript actually

dzaima

yeah those exist. I'm too lazy to use them though. ? is the help page and that's all I know :p

HyperNeutrino

9:13 PM

lol

oh yeah I guess I never found it before because I just got a userscript called "automatically enable keyboard shortcuts" because i think it's an option lol

at least the prev/next question shortcuts follow vim movement commands lol

I need to learn these shortcuts lol. eventually I'm going to never use the cursor ever again lol

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Lol

HyperNeutrino

9:29 PM

anyway gtg o/

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

anyway gtg o/

HyperNeutrino

10:01 PM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ hey you stole my good bye message ._. :P

apparently anyway brb o/ is also a Neutrinoism

I use lol too much lol

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

brb o/ lol anyways gtg o/

The most iconic hyper sentence

HyperNeutrino

10:20 PM

lol

rip enlist just died

I say rip too much as well apparently: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=rip&user=&room=240

micsthepick

ok: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=ok&user=&room=240

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino wat.

HyperNeutrino

I wonder how many Neutrinoisms there are lol

@ASCII-only yeah I forgot that not all links are just a single function

some are chains of links or even nested chains

(I may have gotten the two terms mixed up)

ATaco

Well this isn't normal

ASCII-only

:|

Congratulations you broke SE

HyperNeutrino

10:26 PM

@ATaco 0/10 meta.stackexchange.com/questions/300755/…

oh yeah I need to address that comment sometime

:I there's an MSE privilege for 200 rep called "see reduced ads"

dzaima

@HyperNeutrino oh that's only on meta?

HyperNeutrino

idk

maybe it exists elsewhere

ASCII-only

@ATaco pls view icon in sources and screenshot ty

ATaco

CSS links background image to this

caird coinheringaahing

@ATaco It may not be fully done, but is that the start of our design?

ASCII-only

10:30 PM

@ATaco Actually... the view is messed up

That is way taller than it should be

ATaco

Nope: It's a bug involving the new top bar in the Grad script.

ASCII-only

so it's getting squished

@ATaco only the grad script?

@ATaco Hyper was using the old topbar though?

ATaco

Top bar overrides the background image on this particular SE, but grad script goes back and says "Actually, this icon is full size, not a part", so it's rendering the entire iconstrip in the space of a single icon.

ASCII-only

@ATaco pls pr ty

ATaco

Might not be the new top bar, but very much so SE specific.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

10:35 PM

I JUST TOOK A PICTURE OF A PLANE

I barely could see it with my eyes

This is cool

ATaco

I'm adding a load of globals to Funky, because it's severely lacking them.

ASCII-only

@ATaco good

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ :| If you used a SLR, good. If you used a phone, you might want your eyes checked :P

ATaco

(a,b,c)=>[a,b,c].sort()[1] is a surprisingly golfy "clamp" function in Javascript.

HyperNeutrino

what is a clamp function; gets middle element?

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino clamps value to one between min and max

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

10:42 PM

@ASCII-only Superzoom camera

SX530 HS

HyperNeutrino

hm ok

ATaco

Given a number, constrain it to be between two other numbers.

Conveniently, the median of a 3 value list also happens to do this.

Adám

@ATaco APL: ⎕⌈⎕⌊⎕

ASCII-only

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ :O

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@ASCII-only yahh

@ASCII-only ill send pics asap

HyperNeutrino

10:43 PM

ew in Proton it has to be (a,b,c)=>sorted([a,b,c])[1]

which is a whole ONE BYTE LONGER

ASCII-only

@ATaco (a,b,c)=>a<b?b:a>c?c:a naive is shorter though :P

HyperNeutrino

hey I think that's a proton polyglot lol

In jelly it's just ṢḊḢ

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

ATaco

Problem with Naïve is that is requires min = b , max = c and val=a. That's not how Taco rolls.

Adám

CMC: Given a complex number, constrain it to be between two other complex numbers.

HyperNeutrino

10:47 PM

examples pls?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@ASCII-only that photo was taken after sunset and it was off past the mountains ~10-15 miles away

Maltysen

@Adám what metric?

component wise?

or magnitude?

Adám

Component-wise. Make it into that rectangle.

ASCII-only

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ after sunset O_o

Adám

num=3+4i min=1+5i max=7+8i result=3+5i

ASCII-only

10:49 PM

@Adám given as a tuple (if complex numbers not builtin?)

Adám

@ASCII-only yup. Or even if they are. I believe in permissive I/O.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@ASCII-only Yeah will send pictures of moon if i find it tonight

Maltysen

@Adám min(max(a.real, x.real), b.real)+1j*min(max(a.imag, x.imag), b.imag)

^ i tihnk it works

Adám

@Maltysen Yeah, that looks correct, but not very golfy.

ASCII-only

> if i find it

@Maltysen :|

@ATaco (...v)=>v.sort()[1]

@Adám what about i_1, j_1, i_2, j_2, i_3, j_3

i values then j values is just cheating so i won't ask about that :P

HyperNeutrino

10:54 PM

I was just going to ask about that :(

ATaco

MATHMATICAL!

ASCII-only

@Adám JS: ([a,x],[b,y],[c,z])=>[a<b?b:a>c?c:a,x<y?y:x>z?z:x]

@ATaco mathmathical?

ATaco

11:06 PM

Clarity is more important than golfiness right now.

ppperry

v=globals.math.vars
v.pi = Math.
v.e = Math.
...

I don't find it clear to repeat the same thing over and over ...

ATaco

v is at the very least not a very clear variable name. :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@ASCII-only Well it turns out that the moon won't be up tonight :()

ppperry

my point remains if you call it mathvars instead

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

> :() the official face of tacoscript

11:08 PM

like that

I thought it was ಠ_ಠ

lol and turns out that everything in Enlist now blows the stack

well time to rollback and start from today morning again

ppperry

except why is math.sqrt a wrapper on Math.sqrt instead of being like math.max and math.min

ATaco

No particular reason, I'll fix that.

HyperNeutrino

11:11 PM

see in lua or ruby this would be a lot easier to fix because I could just redefine what calling a list means

(I think)

ATaco

You can do it in Lua.

(And Funky!)

HyperNeutrino

Ruby is great

ATaco

Try it online!

Destructible Lemon

should I make a room for discussing various king of the hill ideas?

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco what on earth

ATaco

11:15 PM

It passes the object as the first argument.

And stringifying functions doesn't work as expected yet.

HyperNeutrino

oh ok that makes more sense

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino tio.run/##SyvNy678/786Pje1JNG2Oj45MSfHtqAoM6@ktlZD8/9/AA

HyperNeutrino

oh wait s in that case is just like python self

yeknow what I may need to rewrite enlist almost entirely

ASCII-only

wait wat

HyperNeutrino

Apparently yeknow is also a Neutrinoism: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=yeknow&room=240

ASCII-only

11:20 PM

why is this differnt

HyperNeutrino

(that's my deleted account)

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Of course... nobody else misspells it

HyperNeutrino

:P

anyway gtg o/

ASCII-only

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=y%27know&room=240

ATaco

Function strings do not have defined functionality yet.

SImple as that.

ASCII-only

11:22 PM

@ATaco function strings?

ATaco

As in, stringifying a function.

But that is now fixed for the next version!

ASCII-only

@ATaco that's not the issue I found...

unless it is :/ idk

is that just lambda stringify vs print stringify

ATaco

Basically, yeah.

If Funky keeps any sort of popularity and doesn't die out, I'll make a room for it.

(But I think most of this interest comes from the fact that it's a little bit strange)

ASCII-only

@ATaco *buggy

ATaco

11:38 PM

Well, yes.

But not all of these 'bugs' are bugs.

Pavel

11:49 PM

Today I learned about a java IDE called JGrasp. It's so awful I feel like I have to tell people about it. It looks more outdated than vim and it's uglier than hotdog.vim.