The Nineteenth Byte

Conor O'Brien

12:15 AM

shameless self promotion

Step Hen

@ConorO'Brien it would be longer, but also cleaner... this... is... code-golf

Conor O'Brien

it's not talking about the code, it's talking about the memory layout. :P

Step Hen

@ConorO'Brien this is, uh, restricted-memory

Conor O'Brien

that sounds like a terrifying criterion

Liam

I thought there was a standard loophole about cryptographic things, but I didn't see it on re-reading the post. In particular it is trivial to create an answer to this cops and robbers question that requires reversing a hash to crack

Step Hen

12:21 AM

@Liam The author banned it, I believe

@Liam He also started a meta question about it: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13421/…

Liam

I'm not too good at reading. Thanks

ATaco

It's pretty implicit that crypto is banned from Cops & Robbers, even if it's not explicitly, it's just not very good sportsmanship.

Liam

yeah, that's why i thought it was a standard loophole

especially because it comes up in a decent number of cnr challenges

Conor O'Brien

there's always that one person who just wants to win, unfortunately

Liam

It might be worth closing by default?

ATaco

12:23 AM

I don't really see "Winning" as a major factor of CnR, as shown by the recent meta post.

Step Hen

@ATaco or at least, for cops, to identify a single winner if multiple are safe

ATaco

Like writing challenges is it's own reward, Being a cop in CnR is rewarded by writing interesting challenges to crack.

Of course, that's my opinion and many people just want the green tick.

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Floor Planner! ascii-art code-golf kolmogorov-complexity Disclaimer: The story told within this question is entirely fictional, and invented solely for the purpose of providing an intro. I have a friend who is an architect, and, after explaining the concept of code-golf and this site to h...

HyperNeutrino

fun fact: 7 can be encoded in base -1: 1010101010101

ATaco

I'm not going to question base-1.

HyperNeutrino

12:37 AM

lol

William

Could anyone help advise how I should edit this question if it isn't acceptable codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/136269/…

ATaco

@William Is this a challenge..?

William

@ATaco that's why its codegolf? Shortest wins

ATaco

You need to explain that A: Codegolf is the winning criteria, and B: How you want LISP to be converted to JSON in detail.

William

I have added that the shortest one wins. Plus I have the code gulf tag. What else should I do to clarify how to convert it from LISP to JSON? I have given an example how to escape the sequences that are necessary.

HyperNeutrino

12:46 AM

I made the next sequence really easy

ATaco

Assume that everyone has no idea what either LISP or JSON is.

HyperNeutrino

Hi ~~laser eye guy~~ Thomas o/

Thomas Ward

greetings

William

@ATaco do I need to post spec type documentation

ATaco

@William In future, try posting a question in The Sandbox

You simply need to clarify what constitutes the minimum for that challenge. People will generally not put any more effort in than that.

HyperNeutrino

12:48 AM

Someone should continue the OEIS challenge. The next one is so easy it's almost not even funny xD

ATaco

"0 Bytes, 0 Indexed"

HyperNeutrino

Well, with 1-indexing it's 0 bytes in almost all golfing languages

ATaco

I know it's obvious, I just feel it needed to be stead.

HyperNeutrino

not in 05AB1E because it's weird

ATaco

Write the challenge, but write it with PopCon.

Business Cat

12:50 AM

I'll see if I can do that next one in BF

HyperNeutrino

StepHen is going to try Taxi-ing A000027 xD

Business Cat

As in, can I find the algorithms for input/output in decimal

HyperNeutrino

I don't think you need to but since you can't do 1 byte anyway you might as well xD

anyway brb o/

Business Cat

Well the sequences have to work up to 1000 right?

Otherwise you could just do ,.

HyperNeutrino

the next one has a formula yay

Step Hen

1:00 AM

@HyperNeutrino I did it fast enough good xD

HyperNeutrino

yey xD

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Every number can be encoded in base -1

HyperNeutrino

and in infinitely many ways right? xD

ASCII-only

yeah

HyperNeutrino

because appending/prepending 11 does nothing

so you can 11 it infinitely :D

Destructible Lemon

1:08 AM

phinary is better

HyperNeutrino

no base (i-1) is better

or was it (i+1)? o_O

Destructible Lemon

you mean the quatimaginary thing?

HyperNeutrino

something like that

Destructible Lemon

someone ought to make a language where numbers are in phinary

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino also 00

HyperNeutrino

1:12 AM

yeah

Nobody

1:26 AM

Why don't we have code.golf as a shortener

oh right it must be taken

$7058?

screw it

nobody would buy that

Step Hen

@Nobody the real one is codegolf.se

Destructible Lemon

@Nobody as cool a site we are we aren't going to get the name of the sport

Nobody

Ohh..kay...:\

Aw, come on!

ATaco

s.tk/golf

Nobody

oh yeah

Much better

Consider me blind

ATaco

1:36 AM

I would have preferred s.tk/ppcg but beggers can't be choosers.

Nobody

Lets wait for a golf.se to come and it gets s.tk/golf, and we get s.tk/ppcg

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco people who constantly get on hnq so much that it's an issue*

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Efficient Robot Movement code-golf string My boss has gotten a new toy robot, and he wants me to help program it. He wants to be able to enter simple arrow instructions to get it to move. These instructions are: ^ (for move forward) < (for turn left), and > (for turn right). However, now that...

Husnain Raza

i dont understand this next oeis sequence

namely a000236

ASCII-only

anyone pls i need a character for charcoal for all/every and any/some

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah Charcoal doesn't have any room in its codepage to spare for things like factor :P (although I should probably add more arithmetic builtins soon it's not very high priority)

Destructible Lemon

1:54 AM

hi I have a maths question

ASCII-only

lol just found this again

trichoplax

@ASCII-only for all symbol and exists symbol? Or needs to be ASCII?

ASCII-only

@trichoplax well in charcoal ASCII characters are part of strings so :P

@trichoplax hmm those seem a bit specific (to math) though, i want a more visual representation

also maybe zip as well, there were suggestions a while ago but idk if they're good

Destructible Lemon

hmmm I will help you

ASCII-only

also gtg

Destructible Lemon

1:58 AM

do you have filled circles and unfilled circles?

maybe try those

unfilled for any and filled for all

ASCII-only

Hmm what would be the mnemonic though

ATaco

How about Freehand circles :P

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only oh, because filled shows all of them, and the circled shows that at least one of them is, but not all of them

ASCII-only

If you can find a Unicode one, sure

@DestructibleLemon whaaat

Destructible Lemon

it's hard to explain

I mean, the filled circle kind of shows that all are in the set

whereas the boundary shows there is a valid one within the boundary

● ○

actually... maybe these are preferable? (vertical offset is weird) ◯⬤

@ASCII-only does that make sense?

ASCII-only

2:14 AM

@DestructibleLemon boundary shows there are none

Destructible Lemon

I disagree... but whatever

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon well to me unfilled means it's empty

Destructible Lemon

maybe get a dotted circle

ASCII-only

The boundary is just there so you can see the circle

Destructible Lemon

⊙

how about that

ASCII-only

2:18 AM

@DestructibleLemon this would work

Destructible Lemon

bigger one: ⨀

we did it team!

size comparisons, with double dotted circle bonus, and right dotted circle bonus: ⚇⊙●⚆⨀⬤

oh suddenly that character does not render?

weird

weird bug

anyway don't use that big one I guess

you could use a black dotted circle for not all, a white or crossed circle for not any too

ASCII-only

Nah that's wasting too much of the codepage

Step Hen

my interpreter is working without me trying too hard and it's blowing my mind

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only yeah ok

ASCII-only

@StepHen O_o how

Also what interpreter

Step Hen

2:31 AM

@ASCII-only I don't really know, and it's for an esolang I brainstormed today

It's a crazy one too

ASCII-only

@StepHen interpreter in one day how D:

Step Hen

@ASCII-only I don't know that either

Destructible Lemon

yeah one time I thought an interpreter was working

IT WASN'T

Nobody

⚆-⚆

Step Hen

although it's fairly simple

HyperNeutrino

2:31 AM

I made an interpreter in 20 minutes once

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino for BF?

HyperNeutrino

Close enough

ASCII-only

Charcoal probably still has dozens of bugs haha

HyperNeutrino

Wait I made this 2 weeks ago? o_O

I thought it was a lot longer ago

Step Hen

There should be an interpreter called ~brainfuck that naturally interprets as many variants of BF as possible, without you telling it what you're giving it

HyperNeutrino

2:33 AM

This took even less time

Destructible Lemon

@StepHen IMPOSSIBLE

ASCII-only

@StepHen not possible

ATaco

A missed opportunity to call it (.*)fuck

ASCII-only

Too many variants use similar command sets

Step Hen

@ATaco you implement it, you name it whatever you want :P

HyperNeutrino

2:33 AM

(.*fuck|brain.*)

Step Hen

OK this lang is going to be the absolute worst to code in, but whatever

HyperNeutrino

I was like "I should keep up my record of not using the F word around here" but I've used it once already lol

ASCII-only

@StepHen ???

Step Hen

@ASCII-only the one I'm finishing up the interpreter for

I don't even know how it would add yet, although I bet it could

ATaco

I leave an exception when I'm referring to the name of a programming language.

ASCII-only

2:36 AM

@StepHen not true, Malbolge is worse

Step Hen

@ASCII-only yeah it's designed to be bad though

this I just made

and now, it's going to feel like making a TIOQuine without any base-64 shenanigans

but I bet it's turing complete (I'll probably put a challenge to prove it one way or the other)

Nobody

Let's make a BF variant named Holyfuck

And make it real good

Step Hen

@Nobody how can there be good/bad variants of BF 0.o

ATaco

Although RProgN2 is really good at quines, I have no idea how to tackle the TIOQuine, because it has no support for zips.

Nobody

@StepHen Oh

HyperNeutrino

2:39 AM

@Nobody name change?

Step Hen

@ATaco brute force it?

@HyperNeutrino he's Odysseus

Nobody

@HyperNeutrino Yes

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ

@Nobody I recognized you by your profile description, actually :P I remembered the WIP embedded thing

Also hjroh

Nobody

lel

that embedded thing was great

Step Hen

CodeReview chat has a bot that chats comments 0.o

Nobody

2:41 AM

o'rly

ASCII-only

Really want to post a language specific challenge but probably not a good idea

Nobody

that's not all good tho

Step Hen

@ASCII-only what's the reason it's language specific?

ASCII-only

I'm trying to disguise a Charcoal feature request question as a challenge to outgolf Charcoal by as high a ratio as possible

Step Hen

@ASCII-only you mean find a challenge and outgolf Charcoal in it?

ASCII-only

2:45 AM

Maximizing Charcoal length / other language length

Step Hen

I think that might go over ok

ASCII-only

@StepHen not really? That's not hard :P

HyperNeutrino

Hey Ceres is now capable of primality checks! (builtin)

Step Hen

are they outgolfing a specific Charcoal program?

@HyperNeutrino how did you implement it?

In cQuents I tried to keep to a design pattern of creating sequences and then manipulating them

HyperNeutrino

https://tio.run/##LP1B0iM7z2BpznsV3wL@MgsSJAAOeiVlNWprs8pBdqZ11qRXXy1/8E5448oVCjldkh8cAuD//P/9X//n//j/xP/9f//P/@9/@@//7//1n//nf/73/23913/2f/0n/us/97/@U//1n/X7//X7v/X9@f2O/f68f/@N3@Pxe@z8/nt@j53fn@/3t37H8vdY/v6/fv@t32P1e6x//@3ff9/3Ov@@F/33veo///u@f@f73/39b/gn/ek7cL7hfo/d77H8nve9@ipv6zva39Fn@B7zb7zvzX7vfnvL3yvv7QS@//1eeX/vfV/Dd/R75Z3fge@N7/oe@155t3P@DfG93fheNL63G9@khJn43m4cwzc530zENxXxvdP43ml87zS@l4pvHuJ7k@ebiPOd/vnm9myTafim9HuTx@R@L3q@N3m@uT3fOz3fK5/vRU9/f/pO/3wnfb@Jvd@L3u/17nf69zvV6xp9r3K/F7jfqd7vVO93qvd7lftcwu8afm8tv/PN71Rz@dN34Ht/eQzfge9F8zvfdOnn2n//@71ofueb31urf4b3fSq@4bse9Z1lfWdZ30vVdyn…

I may have cached all primes and composites up to 10000

Step Hen

2:47 AM

@HyperNeutrino I noticed

ATaco

That, does help with some initial speed, I suppose.

HyperNeutrino

:P

Step Hen

but I mean client side :P

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco yeah xD

Step Hen

how do you use it in Ceres? Is is just a function that returns truthy/falsey?

ATaco

2:47 AM

Sadly Big O notation cares not for caching.

ASCII-only

Not really? Just find a challenge where Charcoal would do badly I guess? Or just post two snippets that do anything (I'd probably need to restrict it in this case)

@HyperNeutrino it isn't going to make much of a difference at all

HyperNeutrino

yeah probably not

@StepHen yes

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino in cQuents I have it so that the only way to check membership in a sequence is to generate the sequence and then use query mode (?)

HyperNeutrino

ah I see

Step Hen

in fact cQuents doesn't even have ifs

HyperNeutrino

2:49 AM

grr for whatever reasons the functions themselves are getting pushed onto the stack o_O

anyway I gtg now. o/

Step Hen

OK, tomorrow night I'm going to release this wacko turing* tarpit I have made

ASCII-only

:( I thought was ready to release

@HyperNeutrino you made a mistake

Step Hen

@ASCII-only it is but I don't have docs yet

ASCII-only

3:06 AM

oh also @anyone pls suggest overloads for charcoal, add more of charcoal's operators if you want

HyperNeutrino

3:22 AM

@ASCII-only I did?

oh you were talking about that

well yeah duh xD

anyway my wifi might cut out any time now don't know why I still have it but I'm not complaining xD

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only how about subtract with a string to remove the last n characters?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon :| doesn't really make sense because it's not the opposite of add

plus that's what slice is for

Destructible Lemon

:| ok I guess

how about prepending rather than appending concatenation?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon :| idk

Destructible Lemon

:|

ASCII-only

3:29 AM

you can just change the order in + to do that

Destructible Lemon

ok

Riker

anybody else here watching rick and morty tonight?

Destructible Lemon

well you should add that to the add functionality?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon ??????

Destructible Lemon

idk it just looks like you've only got concatenation when the first arg is str

ASCII-only

3:33 AM

what

I don't think so

I'm just too lazy to write the opposite order on the hackmd

Destructible Lemon

ok

Sherlock9

4:07 AM

Hello all

hello

o/

hi

Any interesting challenges come in?

Conor O'Brien

so lang as you give me the opportunity... there's this

Sherlock9

4:12 AM

Was "lang" a pun or a typo?

Conor O'Brien

oh

typo

I don't know how I typoed that but I managed to anyhow

Sherlock9

Wow. Considering that a is nowhere near l, o, or n :D

That's an impressive typo

Conor O'Brien

I am proud lol

Sherlock9

Oh, just realizing that I hit 7k about a month ago

Nice

Leaky Nun

5:44 AM

10

Q: Find the first duplicated element

Given an array a that contains only numbers in the range from 1 to a.length, find the first duplicate number for which the second occurrence has the minimal index. In other words, if there are more than 1 duplicated numbers, return the number for which the second occurrence has a smaller index th...

Is O(n) time and O(1) extra memory possible?

@ConorO'Brien maybe lang is long in German?

Downgoat

@LeakyNun I can think of one way you could, but then again that way I'd say leans towards O(n log n) but depends on what an n is

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat I seem to have found a solution online

oh my god it's so clever

Downgoat

@LeakyNun does it have to do with giant relatively prime numbers

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat no, it's extremely clever

one list stores two information

Downgoat

you mean like [1] -> [[1, otherData]]?

feersum

5:52 AM

It's not hard, you just follow cycles.

Leaky Nun

we store which items have appeared, somehow inside the original array

feersum

Storing extra data is cheating.

Leaky Nun

@feersum it uses a clever way

to store the extra data inside the original list

Downgoat

@LeakyNun uhh how is that O(1) memory?

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat because it uses the original array

Downgoat

5:52 AM

you're duplicating part of array?

that would be O(n)

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat it uses a clever method to store which numbers have appeared

Downgoat

ok please ping me when you have posted

feersum

Brute force is probably shorter, so there's no reason for it to be posted.

Leaky Nun

@feersum in the spirit of the challenge

feersum

@LeakyNun What?

Leaky Nun

5:55 AM

@feersum posting a solution with O(n) time and O(1) extra memory is in the spirit of the challenge

Downgoat

@feersum elaboration-request

feersum

I would assume you can set an entry to 0

Although 0 is not in the input range.

It's definitely easy if you can do that.

Leaky Nun

@feersum how?

Downgoat

by cycle do you mean a[a[i]] cycles

Leaky Nun

I'm not sure how you would do it with cycles

Downgoat

5:58 AM

kinda sorta like how Arnauld was approaching it

though I'm hesitant to call it O(1) memory for larger values

Leaky Nun

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A: Find the first duplicated element

Python 3, 88 bytes O(n) time and O(1) extra memory. def f(a): for i in range(len(a)): if a[a[i]-1]<0:return-~i a[a[i]-1]*=-1 return -1 Try it online! Source of the algorithm. Explanation The basic idea of the algorithm is to run through each element from left to right, keep track o...

@Downgoat here

feersum

:39125717 def f(a):
    a = [None] + a
    for i in range(1, len(a)):
        if a[i]==0: continue
        start = i
        while a[i]:
            i2 = a[i]
            a[i] = 0
            i = i2
        if i != start:
            return i
    return -1

Well that was interesting, the reply identifier got itself code-formatted.

@LeakyNun Your solution is cheating because it uses integers 1 bit larger than the input.

Leaky Nun

@feersum interesting.

you're right.

But I think that is the intended solution. Otherwise it would mean that the challenge is impossible.

feersum

What about the one I just posted here?

Leaky Nun

I'm still reading it

Downgoat

6:07 AM

@LeakyNun you could use 1-indexed lang

Leaky Nun

@Downgoat wrong reply?

feersum

I think it should not be too hard to remove the use of 0 as a sentinel either.

Leaky Nun

@feersum very clever. I'm still figuring out why it works.

feersum

I could use a[1] instead of 0 everywhere.

Leaky Nun

apparently you used the fact that if there are no duplicates, every cycle will loop back to itself

feersum

6:11 AM

It's just basic cycle detection.

Leaky Nun

@feersum I know how it works. I don't know why it works

@feersum close enough

feersum

@LeakyNun Close? Close to what?

Leaky Nun

@feersum it should return 3

I can't fix it.

feersum

Heh, I just looked for any old duplicated element.

It can be fixed.

Instead of returning right away, always run to the end.

Leaky Nun

I can't fix it because there's no way to guarantee that the elements you zeroed are the first occurrences

@feersum above

feersum

6:17 AM

And keep track of the minimum index duplicate seen overall.

Leaky Nun

@feersum?

feersum

Do you want me to fix it for you?

Leaky Nun

4 mins ago, by Leaky Nun

I can't fix it because there's no way to guarantee that the elements you zeroed are the first occurrences

feersum

There is an issue when the first time an element is seen is at its second occurrence.

So it's not that easy after all, with this added rule.

Leaky Nun

@feersum yep that's what I said

feersum

6:34 AM

If we could somehow run the algorithm twice, once starting at the beginning of the array and once from the end, maybe we could do it.

But it's non-reversible.

Leaky Nun

@feersum an element can appear thrice

TheLethalCoder

8:56 AM

Woo just hit 5k :)

8

Congrats!

Thanks

Congratulations!

Hi there

@TheLethalCoder Congrats!

TheLethalCoder

:D

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9:44 AM

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Q: Count up diagonally!

We have lots of horizontal axis for numbers, but I honestly think they're kind of boring. Your task today is to build me a portion of a diagonal axis between two distinct non-negative integers given as input. How to build a diagonal axis? Let's take an example, with the input 0, 5. Our axis sh...

code-golf ascii-art number

Mr. Xcoder

The solution to my challenge is surprisingly easy in Python

I now have 83 bytes

Adám

10:02 AM

@HyperNeutrino APL, 5 bytes: ⊢+⍳∘≢

TheLethalCoder

One of those days today. 3 support calls in less than 2 hours -_-

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder APL, 3 bytes: ⊢+≢

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder Were they interesting?

Perhaps some fun issues should be introduced into the product to make support call handlers' jobs more interesting! :-)

TheLethalCoder

10:19 AM

No just boring routine ones pulling me away from programming.

Mayube

I know that feeling mate

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Q: How to compute a unique set of squares where each side is one of 3 colors

In class we were given a problem to solve and implement in java, and I still cant wrap my head around it. There is a set of 24 squares, where each side of every square has a border of either blue, red or green. Every possible permutation is allowed. I've been trying to use for loops to outp...

graph-theory

TheLethalCoder

One was a four way conversation of me constantly saying I need files x, y and z. Then them going okay heres file x. So I'm having to repeat with I need files y and z etc. etc.

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder You couldn't have emailed them a batch file that grabbed and zipped them, could you?

TheLethalCoder

No, I needed the files to get the information to be able to do that! And they're so strict they probably wouldn't have allowed it.

wizzwizz4

10:26 AM

@TheLethalCoder And you couldn't have connected them all to the same line so you didn't have to keep repeating the same information.

Cows quack

@Adám running it without stringify seems to work fine: Try it online!

wizzwizz4

That's why I try to bother phone support people as little as possible.

Adám

@Cowsquack Yes, my mistake, because I used ⎕R for development.

TheLethalCoder

@wizzwizz4 No they just couldn't be bothered to do it properly, they never can be. What annoys me more is that they are IT support for their company and we've told them 100's of times what files we need when they report an issue.

ASCII-only

> IT

well there you have it

wizzwizz4

10:30 AM

@TheLethalCoder They are... what?!

IT support that aren't competent sysadmins?

TheLethalCoder

Okay tech support... They're their companies helpdesk

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder Ah. Helpdesk.

Do you feel frustrated being a programmer dealing with people who are supposed to be "techy people"?

Mayube

One of our customers has an IT guy who always brags about his Cisco certification. He couldn't even plug in a router with our instructions

TheLethalCoder

It's not the techy part that annoys me, it's the lack of common sense. And the usual "HELP WE NEEDZ IT NOWWWW!!!!!!" but we'll take 3 days to give you all the information you need.

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder Have you tried a web wizard that lets them submit a ticket if they upload the correct files (and does simple validation on those files to make sure they haven't uploaded the same one three times or something similar)?

TheLethalCoder

10:39 AM

@wizzwizz4 Oh I have thought about that. Problem is we only have 10 people in the company with a team of 3 developers (me included) that do support, programming, lead etc. And we're always busy on new projects that we never have time for in house things like that.

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder How do they currently submit things?

Email?

TheLethalCoder

@wizzwizz4 Call, email, FTP files if they're too big. No proper process.

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder File upload from a POST request to a PHP script from a basic HTML5 page shouldn't be too hard. I'll have a bash.

Mayube

@TheLethalCoder we have around 14-16 employees, and we use ZenDesk, it's a lifesaver

TheLethalCoder

@wizzwizz4 No I know it shouldn't be hard. Half of these companies are sensitive about how they send stuff. So when they upload to FTP it's actually their own one server that we connect too.

Mr. Xcoder

10:44 AM

Wooo 2999 month rep :)

TheLethalCoder

Most of them are PCI compliant due to the nature of what they deal with

@Mr.Xcoder Go you

@Mayube We have our own in house helpdesk but nothing for customers to use.

wizzwizz4

@TheLethalCoder ... That's less secure if anything else is hosted on that FTP server.

TheLethalCoder

@wizzwizz4 Well SFTP and I don't know, it's their server not ours.

Mr. Xcoder

@TheLethalCoder ^

Mayube

We use Jira for development tracking, and ZenDesk for both internal and external supoprt. It's great because we just have a hypervisor monitoring our support email and automatically screening and converting relevant emails to ZenDesk tickets

if they call in with something that isn't "Our system is down, help" we tell them to make a ticket

wizzwizz4

10:46 AM

@TheLethalCoder Well, if they do something like emailing the credentials to you, everything on that server is potentially compromised.

TheLethalCoder

@Mr.Xcoder Now we need to make one rep to please the OCD in myself. How can we do that?

@wizzwizz4 Oh they're not that daft

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@TheLethalCoder +5 rep, -4

Mr. Xcoder

@TheLethalCoder Already did, I now have 3009 :)

wizzwizz4