The Nineteenth Byte

Mayube

3:00 PM

and you would have to specify a platform on which your code is valid

musicman523

@Mayube Okay thanks, so this wouldn't work, but it was a good shot :P

Mayube

@Phoenix Braingolf, 13 bytes VRdlM[R&+dv]R

totallyhuman

heh

@totallyhuman there i made it bold

bold text attracts people's attention

hopefully

Mayube

well I upvoted you after seeing your outgolfed notice

I upvoted both of you after it, in fact

Erik the Outgolfer

@Phoenix Jelly, 4 bytes: DSDS

it means get digits -> sum -> get digits -> sum

Mr. Xcoder

3:06 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer That's the most "normal" Jelly code I have ever seen.

Phoenix

@EriktheOutgolfer Wouldn't that only perform two iterations?

Erik the Outgolfer

yes isn't it supposed to?

Phoenix

> e.g. 5689 -> 28 -> 10 -> 1

Adám

@BusinessCat Can you explain it?

Phoenix

It's supposed to do it recursively

Erik the Outgolfer

3:07 PM

you mean digital root?

Phoenix

IDK what digital root is

Erik the Outgolfer

sum digits until you end up with one digit

Leaky Nun

No, you just have to mod it by 9

and replace 0 with 9

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun that's %9ȯ9 in Jelly

Phoenix

Right, or use Business Cat's fancy formula.

Adám

3:08 PM

@Mayube Hm. I can abuse this.

Business Cat

@Adám ^^^ and ^^^^^

@Phoenix That is my formula

Leaky Nun

I thought the formula would be famous.

Business Cat

((x-1)%9)+1

Phoenix

oic, x-1 == ~-x

Erik the Outgolfer

Business Cat's is ’%9‘ in Jelly...

totallyhuman

3:11 PM

1-9%1+ in braingolf

Adám

@Phoenix APL: 1+9|-∘1

Riker

@HelkaHomba that url tho

Phoenix

Why does mod 9 work though

I confuse

DJMcMayhem

@BusinessCat Why do you decrement then increment? Why not just take mod 9?

Adám

@Phoenix J: 9&|&.<:

totallyhuman

3:16 PM

44 -> 4 + 4 = 8
44 -> 44 % 9 = 8

Adám

@DJMcMayhem To avoid 0 when divisible

totallyhuman

45 -> 4 + 5 = 9
45 -> 45 % 9 = 0

DJMcMayhem

Ahhh, I see

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Q: Can I assume that the input will always be within the printable ASCII range (0x20-0x7E)?

Many challenges don't specify what characters the input consists of, so I often assume the input will only consist of printable ASCII chars. Is my assumption correct? Note that this mostly concerns string-related challenges.

Adám

From the PPCG user languages genealogy:

Looks like a rail yard.

Phoenix

3:22 PM

As long as it's more readable than the languages themselves, it's fine.

Why is java not pointing at javascript

It was very clearly inspired by java

totallyhuman

ಠ_ಠ why would it

Adám

@Phoenix People keep discussing this.

Phoenix

That's why it's called javascript

Adám

@Phoenix Not true.

Phoenix

Really.

Downgoat

3:25 PM

Question: is this:

prompt(':q')[3]<'@'||alert(':'+'qx'[new Date%2])

to similar to this answer:

Poke

javascript is absolutely influenced by java

totallyhuman

JavaScript

JavaScript (/ˈdʒɑːvəˌskrɪpt/), often abbreviated as "JS", is a high-level, dynamic, untyped, interpreted run-time language. It has been standardized in the ECMAScript language specification. Alongside HTML and CSS, JavaScript is one of the three core technologies of World Wide Web content production; the majority of websites employ it, and all modern Web browsers support it without the need for plug-ins. JavaScript is a multi-paradigm language, since it supports prototype-based with first-class functions, imperative, and functional programming paradigms. It has an API for working with text, arrays...

Downgoat

0

A: How do I exit Vim?

JavaScript, 76 73 72 71 bytes a=alert a(":q") p=prompt() p[3]<"@"?Math.random()>.5?a(":q!"):a(":x"):0 Explanation a=alert //Store alert in a a(":q") //Output :q p=prompt() //Get u...

Adám

It was called JavaScript to match the name of Java. Java being the chosen compiled language, while JavaScript was the otherwise unrelated chosen scripting language.

Downgoat

@Phoenix well it's not why, but it is influence by Java a lot

Phoenix

3:26 PM

> JavaScript was designed with Java's syntax and standard library in mind.

If wikipedia says it, it must be true.

Business Cat

[citation-needed]

Mayube

it is worth noting that Oracle own the trademarks to both names

Business Cat

Why does my CMC answer have 4 stars

Downgoat

@BusinessCat nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html

Mayube

which is why common JavaScript is officially called ECMAScript, because "JavaScript" is a proprietary trademark

Downgoat

3:28 PM

nature is like top journal so good citation

Phoenix

@BusinessCat There is a citation

totallyhuman

@BusinessCat because it's clever ಠ_ಠ

Phoenix

@BusinessCat 5, and because it's really coool.

Erik the Outgolfer

why does just referencing stars get you stars these days? I just don't get it...

Mayube

Because stars are a meaningless resource that give nothing to the receiver and cost nothing from the giver

2

Erik the Outgolfer

3:32 PM

they actually cost something from the giver...you can only star 20 messages per room per day

Mayube

that means they're a finite resource, not that they cost the giver

Adám

Should C# go back into the chart? Or maybe .NET should be added as a non-lang?

Erik the Outgolfer

think of it as the giver being given 20 stars for each room to give per day...

Mayube

@EriktheOutgolfer stars which have no other purpose, logically speaking if you don't star 20 messages per day, you're wasting stars

Erik the Outgolfer

so why waste them on just star references then?

Mayube

3:35 PM

Because there's not much else to spend them on

Downgoat

sorry was cleaning keyboard

totallyhuman

ok that's enough

ಠ_ಠ

Mayube

The only reason people even care about star spam is because there happens to be a "star board" that shows recently starred messages

Erik the Outgolfer

please stop that abuse can't we even have a conversation without abuse

Mayube

@Downgoat it's not me

Business Cat

3:36 PM

@DJMcMayhem Pls clean stars

Downgoat

oh, sorry >_<

@BusinessCat also pls do a suspend of abusing person

Erik the Outgolfer

ROs can't suspend

Downgoat

tru, ok well they can kick ban at least

Adám

@Downgoat But can they see who starred?

Erik the Outgolfer

nope

not even mods can see that

Downgoat

3:39 PM

there is a script tho

looking for it brb

Adám

Is there a current list of .NET languages?

Downgoat

.NET languages?

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Q: Setting Up a HackerOne Security Bug Bounty Program

We at Stack Overflow are interested in setting up a security bug bounty program to begin rewarding users monetarily who report serious security vulnerabilities to us, and we want to know what the community thinks. This program will be run through HackerOne where we are currently testing features ...

discussion featured security

Adám

@Downgoat Like this, but maintained.

Downgoat

brb writing GUI app using visual basic to track Jeff Atwood's IP address

@Adám msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms690404(v=vs.85).aspx maybe?

Adám

@Downgoat That is certainly out of date.

@Downgoat Ah, Wikipedia

Downgoat

3:50 PM

:| i += 1 is ++i not i++ my life is a lie

totallyhuman

it's wierf

Adám

@Downgoat Why is it called C++ and not ++C ???

Erik the Outgolfer

@Downgoat don't worry you still have ((i+=1)-1)

Downgoat

@Adám :| ono C == C++ DDDDD:

3

Erik the Outgolfer

at least it gets enhanced (ew) under the hood

totallyhuman

3:52 PM

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ

Kritixi Lithos

can I paste a really long string here for a CMC?

totallyhuman

maybe

depends on how long

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos pls outsource to gist

Erik the Outgolfer

maybe github gist...?

Downgoat

they onebox too

Kritixi Lithos

3:53 PM

63 words

Downgoat

that's not too ba

Kritixi Lithos

g
gi
gm
gu
gim
giu
gmi
gmu
gui
gum
gimu
gium
gmiu
gmui
guim
gumi
ig
igm
igu
igmu
igum
i
im
iu
img
imu
iug
ium
imgu
imug
iugm
iumg
mg
mgi
mgu
mgiu
mgui
mig
migu
mi
miu
miug
m
mu
mug
mui
mugi
muig
ug
ugi
ugm
ugim
ugmi
uig
uigm
ui
uim
uimg
umg
umgi
umig
umi
um

Downgoat

ono I said ba like sheep go ba ;____; am I posses

@KritixiLithos all permutations of guim?

Kritixi Lithos

CMC: Regex Golf, match the text on each of the lines but not anything else

Erik the Outgolfer

baception

Kritixi Lithos

3:54 PM

@Downgoat yes

I need it for a regex to match a regex for a lexer

totallyhuman

.*

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos [\S\s]+ 7 bytes PCRE:

Kritixi Lithos

but you can't match anything else

Downgoat

@totallyhuman won't work doesn't match the newlines

@KritixiLithos in exact order?

Kritixi Lithos

wait, I borked

totallyhuman

3:55 PM

@Downgoat (?s).*

Erik the Outgolfer

@KritixiLithos then that entire thing is the golfiest you can get

possibly along with ^$ too

Downgoat

here:

g\ngi\ngm\ngu\ngim\ngiu\ngmi\ngmu\ngui\ngum\ngimu\ngium\ngmiu\ngmui\nguim\ngumi‌\nig\nigm\nigu\nigmu\nigum\ni\nim\niu\nimg\nimu\niug\nium\nimgu\nimug\niugm\niumg‌\nmg\nmgi\nmgu\nmgiu\nmgui\nmig\nmigu\nmi\nmiu\nmiug\nm\nmu\nmug\nmui\nmugi\nmuig‌\nug\nugi\nugm\nugim\nugmi\nuig\nuigm\nui\nuim\nuimg\numg\numgi\numig\numi\num

JS regex

totallyhuman

>.> all regex

Downgoat

ok fine will golf

Kritixi Lithos

okay not the entire string

each line is a separate input

Downgoat

3:57 PM

oh that's easy

[gumi]{1,4}

Erik the Outgolfer

I don't think you can match ummm for example

Adám

@Downgoat Will it not match "gggg"?

Kritixi Lithos

∧

you cannot match repeated letters

Downgoat

([gumi])(?!\1)([gumi])(?!\2)([gumi])(?!\3)([gumi])

what flavor of regex, rn I'm doing JS compliant?

totallyhuman

heh

Kritixi Lithos

3:58 PM

JS flavour

Erik the Outgolfer

@Downgoat forgot (?!\4)

Downgoat

wait fixed: ([gumi])((?!\1)([gumi])((?!\2)([gumi])((?!\3)([gumi]))?)?)?

Erik the Outgolfer

you can't match gumm for example

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat does not match the empty string, g, i, m, u, gi, ...

Downgoat

@KritixiLithos see fixed

Leaky Nun

3:59 PM

^(?!.*(.).*\1)[gumi]{1,4}$

Downgoat

:|

@LeakyNun will bork if used with g flag

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat fret not, your regex fits better to my need

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Construct a multiparticle quantum state Tags: code-golf physics Summary of the challenge Given a number of identical bosons, identical fermions and distinguishable particles produce as an output the total wave function of the state assuming they are all independent. Physics background Don't ...

Kritixi Lithos

in the case of gg, I want the regex to match the first g

(okay, my CMC was not very clear)

Downgoat

ohhh

Jim

4:03 PM

Do some of you use esolangs for other purposes than PPCG?

DJMcMayhem

@BusinessCat It seems like they're gone (twasnt me that cleared)

Downgoat

okay 100% fix: ([gumi])((?!\1)([gumi])((?!\3)([gumi])((?!\5)([gumi]))?)?)?

if you are not using JS regex you can use relatiev matching group w/ recursion

@KritixiLithos what is supposed to match in case of gumii

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat matches only permutations upto length 2

Downgoat

wait is gumu valid or invalid

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat it should match gumi

@Downgoat here you should only match gum

Erik the Outgolfer

4:07 PM

@KritixiLithos there's another fix...

DJMcMayhem

@Jim I use them for mathematical calculations sometimes

Downgoat

@Jim yes, TNB CMCs

Erik the Outgolfer

@Jim the added challenge

btw team spirit sucks red stars are invisible

Kritixi Lithos

@Jim I use Retina for general-purpose string manipulation

I've disabled team spirit

Business Cat

^^ me too

Jim

4:09 PM

Well sometimes as use them for calculations too, I was wondering if they were of other use

Business Cat

Halp SE down

Kritixi Lithos

it's back

Jim

I remember a friend of mine hacking a competition's submission platform. The whole point was to put a Python script to the server byte by byte…

Erik the Outgolfer

@BusinessCat SE never down...

it was just you I guess

Kritixi Lithos

it was down for a moment

Okx

4:12 PM

^

Erik the Outgolfer

ok SE is up again why are we still talking about SE offline

Okx

what else do you want to talk about?

Erik the Outgolfer

umm huh?

Okx

umm huh huh umm? huh huh umm umm!

Jim

CMC: Write a umm-huh-language sentence generator

Erik the Outgolfer

4:21 PM

unclear what you're asking...umm huh?

totallyhuman

mmkay

Jim

Edit to the CMC: Write a program which generates a random sequence of "umm" and "huh" followed by either a "?" or "!". Three words minimum

Downgoat

@Jim regex: /(umm |huh ){3}[?!]/

Okx

hey what this is my language coyrighted

Downgoat

run through the reverse regex thing

Erik the Outgolfer

4:24 PM

@Okx u say?

©

Jim

@Downgoat That add a space between the last word and the question/exclamation mark, doesn't it?

Downgoat

@Jim is that porblem?

Jim

@Downgoat Absolutely. That's no correct umm-huh

Downgoat

fixified: /((umm|huh) ){2}(?&1)[?!]/

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat haha nice

Downgoat

4:27 PM

npmjs.com/package/randexp

Erik the Outgolfer

hey what this is my language coyrighted

Kritixi Lithos

oh, you weren't joking

Adám

@KritixiLithos Dyalog APL: '^[gumi]+$'⎕S{(⊢≡∪)⍵.Match}

Okx

CMC: Replace :( with ☹ and :) with ☺, but count escaping: \:( -> :(, :\( -> :(, \:\( -> :(, \a\b\c -> abc

Downgoat

Question: If I'm able to ace the final exam for the class without taking the course, is there any reason I should be forced to take the course?

Kritixi Lithos

4:30 PM

what course is it?

Downgoat

Math

it's not like chemistry or anything with a physical part

Okx

show them your code golf account and you have it automatically

Uriel

@Downgoat yes, because if you don't ace it, you might blame your tutors for letting you do it that way, and they don't know whether you are capable of acing it

Erik the Outgolfer

what if it's the grade system and not the tutors though?

Downgoat

tried they had no idea what /=,@/Yn(VB}y6+ does

@Uriel oh no tutor

Kritixi Lithos

4:35 PM

@Downgoat what is that language

Uriel

@Downgoat what kind of system?

Downgoat

none, I just generated random ascii chars

@Uriel You have to pass a test to get credit for the class, but they require you to do the course

which is dumb because course is easy

Adám

@Okx I don't understand the "count escaping" thing.

Erik the Outgolfer

why do the course if you can pass the test?!?!

Downgoat

now that I think about it, it says more about the US education system that people are finding the perimeter of a square in 10th grade

Okx

4:37 PM

@Adám So, you can use backslashes to say 'hey, treat this as a literal character, don't replace it.'

Downgoat

@EriktheOutgolfer good quetion

Mayube

@Adám replace [^\\]:\) with a Unicode smiley, and [^\\]:\( with a unicode sad face, then remove all backslashes, and output

Erik the Outgolfer

it's [^\\]:\)[^\\]

Mendeleev

Whaaaaaaaat

WTF school

Those are megabytes, not megabits

O_o

Erik the Outgolfer

blame to steam developers

Downgoat

4:40 PM

wat, wat school do u go to O_o

:P

Erik the Outgolfer

do they have campus?

Adám

@Okx How shall we count the smilies? One byte each?

Okx

yeah sure

Mendeleev

@EriktheOutgolfer Why? It's an option in the settings

@Downgoat [Censored due to PII] High School in Issaquah, WA

Erik the Outgolfer

what pii?

Mendeleev

4:43 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Please elaborate

@EriktheOutgolfer Personally identifying information

aka school name

Adám

@Okx APL (Dyalog), 28 bytes: '\\:' ':\)' ':\('⎕R(,¨':☺☹')

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mendeleev is that pii? o_O

also it's personally identifying information (I'm the ninja around)

Mendeleev

I think so, given that it's a very small school

Okx

@Adám doesn't work for \:\(

Jim

@Downgoat That's too long. Pyth: +jdm?O2"umm""huh"3?O2\!\?

NeutrinoBot

4:45 PM

Can someone check if the user HyperNeutrino (42649) still exists?

Adám

@Okx Wait it has to remove backslashes from other chars than colon too?

Okx

yeah

NeutrinoBot

@Dennis Do you know why my account appears to have been deleted?

Mendeleev

@NeutrinoBot No

NeutrinoBot

(main: HyperNeutrino)

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4:46 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Data exfiltration Frenzy in the frequency domain. Summary of the challenge You must find a way to broadcast a ten-character password through a lossy communication channel and recover the password on the other side. To achieve this you must write two programs. The first program will receive the...

Downgoat

@EriktheOutgolfer purple iguana information

Leaky Nun

@NeutrinoBot No it doesn't

NeutrinoBot

???

Erik the Outgolfer

it doesn't

NeutrinoBot

Do I have to restart or something?

Oh crap

Downgoat

4:46 PM

@Mendeleev brb stealing ssn

Leaky Nun

The account is gone.

totallyhuman

what did you do? o0

NeutrinoBot

I think someone realized that my SO account was created when I was 12

Mendeleev

:(

NeutrinoBot

well

Okx

4:47 PM

?

Mendeleev

@NeutrinoBot How old are you now?

Downgoat

@NeutrinoBot can you make your bot avatar slightly different from main for less confuse

NeutrinoBot

@Mendeleev 14

@Downgoat main no longer exists

Mendeleev

Oh

Erik the Outgolfer

and what does so have to do with ppcg???

Mendeleev

4:47 PM

So they deleted your PPCG account because your SO account was created 3 years ago

Huh

NeutrinoBot

idk

Mendeleev

Interesting

NeutrinoBot

I came back and tried to delete two obselete comments and it said "cannot delete" and then changed the comment owner to "user42649"

Downgoat

@NeutrinoBot wait what O_____o DDDDDDDD: ono D:

NeutrinoBot

which is my ID

Leaky Nun

4:48 PM

I have -128 rep "user was removed"

urp i have -35 rep

-100 for me

that is really weird

-35 here

-70 for me

4:49 PM

Sorry for lost rep; no idea why my account got deleted.

Mendeleev

@HyperNeutrino ._________.

Downgoat

-22 for me ಠ_ಠ did you downgoat one of my posts

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat I don't think so...

Okx

no he upgoated but you lost rep because the upgoats were revoked

Downgoat

and considering how active of a user you were you'd think they'd be more careful :|

HyperNeutrino

4:49 PM

I don't usually downvote things except bad stuff from new users

@Downgoat I know right

I mean they said high rep users would get a special deletion to prevent lost votes

I think 5800 is decently high

brb, flagging one of my old posts for mod attention

and meta posting

delete dennis please

?

/s

@Mendeleev very bad idea

HyperNeutrino

why would you delete dennis?

Mendeleev

4:50 PM

Joking

Downgoat

@ASCII-only :O Charcoal support non-golf syntax :OOO

HyperNeutrino

well time to go flag myself for attention

totallyhuman

there is a way to get your account back right?

Shaggy

-75 rep for me :(

totallyhuman

you made a lot of progress on the account

Erik the Outgolfer

4:53 PM

oh and I lost the .1 part of 10.1k

HyperNeutrino

ono

Adám

-60

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman if a moderator can undelete it somehow or merge

I wouldn't mind getting 42649 merged into this account

wait email

lemme check updates

CRAP

IT WAS AGE RESTRICTIONS

Shaggy

@HyperNeutrino Was your entire SE account deleted or just PPCG?

Erik the Outgolfer

I think his entire

Business Cat

4:54 PM

Umm.. how did a post from 3 years ago end up in the Low Quality queue?

HyperNeutrino

@Shaggy SE

Downgoat

@BusinessCat someone must have flagged

@HyperNeutrino damn, that really sucks

HyperNeutrino

well now I'm wondering why they waited until I turned 14 and got almost 7000 rep to delete my account

Shaggy

@HyperNeutrino Ouch :(

totallyhuman

o0

HyperNeutrino

4:55 PM

7000 because SO as well

I mean at least I could have kept PPCG, I don't care about SO anymore

Business Cat

It was edited 46 minutes ago, maybe that triggered it somehow

Erik the Outgolfer

possibly since an edit can make a post vlq while it originally wasn't

Uriel

@HyperNeutrino how could they know your age?

Adám

@Okx APL (Dyalog), 35 bytes: '\\:' ':\)' ':\(' '\\'⎕R(':☹☹',⊂'')

Okx

nice

Arnauld

4:57 PM

I too felt a disturbance in the Force.

Erik the Outgolfer

how many rep did you lose?

Arnauld

-95 rep

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah that's really disturbing to the community

Adám

Maybe we can make a community collection to donate rep to HN?

Business Cat

-110 :(

Erik the Outgolfer

4:58 PM

@Adám sadly that's abuse

Downgoat

we should lobby SE to undo this unjust motion of tyranny >:|

Wheat Wizard

No one is going to have positive rep today.

Downgoat

I aready have positive rep >_<

Adám

@Downgoat Why the age restrictions on SE?

Okx

have we pinged the mods yet about this

HyperNeutrino

4:58 PM

@Adám PII

no it's COPPA

@HyperNeutrino What?

@Okx yep

I'm down 160 rn

i only think we pinged dennis :P

Erik the Outgolfer

4:59 PM

13 mins ago, by NeutrinoBot

@Dennis Do you know why my account appears to have been deleted?

Uriel

@WheatWizard considering you casted only 9 votes today, I think you might have a say on it 😉

Shaggy

@Okx Dennis has been pinged a couple of times.

HyperNeutrino

I was going to meta but then I decided to check my email

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