The Nineteenth Byte

Arjun

12:00 AM

@Adám Removal of some programming languages from it?

Adám

@Arjun Probably, but that can wait.

Wheat Wizard

Yay I'm in the top 50 users of all time (sorry Adám)

Adám

@WheatWizard NP.

Wheat Wizard

Should we add non-language software? Brain-Flak's esolangs page lists this as an influence, despite it not being a programming language

ETHproductions

Also, we do not need every single Python ancestor ever created

This is not useful for the purposes of the graph

Wheat Wizard

12:05 AM

^ Please

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Q: Implement the CairdSort! - Cops

This is the Cops thread, the Robbers thread can be found here Cops, your task is to implement the CairdSort on a single input string. In this post, alias sorted = "lexicographically ordered" (sorted means "are the characters code points in order?") This is how to CairdSort a string: Fir...

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Q: Implement the CairdSort! - Robbers

This is the Robbers thread, the Cops thread can be found here Welcome Robbers! Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to do the following steps. Step 1 Go to the Cops thread and find any non-safe, non-cracked solution to the code and find an interpreter that runs that language. Step...

string random cops-and-robbers

ATaco

@Arjun Can you please stop mass adding ancestors to languages?

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Adám

@WheatWizard Dunno. I was considering adding mathematical notation as a parent to APL and Brachylog.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard I didn't know that existed. I just thought of the name, and that was the inspiration for naming it

Wheat Wizard

Ah ok then definitely not

ETHproductions

12:08 AM

Is Rail a PPCG-created lang?

Arjun

@ATaco Why?

ATaco

It simply clogs up the graph with too much unnecessary information.

Adám

@ETHproductions I'm not sure. When I added it, I forgot that we are doing PPCG langs only.

ETHproductions

It's really stretching the chart, so I say remove it

Adám

@ETHproductions Thanks.

Arjun

12:11 AM

bye

ATaco

C++, Perl, and Java only inspired Python once, thankyou

ETHproductions

That's better, thanks ATaco

ATaco

Also, /// is not inspired by Perl, I'm quite sure on that one.

ETHproductions

> Actually -> Seriously

facepalm

Destructible Lemon

@ETHproductions indeed

Seriously guys, get the order actually right!

ETHproductions

12:14 AM

double facepalm

Wheat Wizard

Seriously, Seriously actually inspired actually

Destructible Lemon

surprised we haven't gotten a literally lang yet

or a really

ASCII-only

Wasn't Jellyfish inspired by Jelly and ><>

Mistah Figgins

are you all including languages that aren't really related to other languages?

Destructible Lemon

I think so

ASCII-only

12:16 AM

Wait, J and not Jelly (nor ><>)

Destructible Lemon

probably

Mistah Figgins

ok

ETHproductions

Oh sorry, misunderstood your question

Yeah, you can include unrelated langs, as long as they were created by PPCG users

ASCII-only

its name was just derived from both of them

Also I have no idea what Charcoal is inspired by lol

I guess it's kinda C-style? (with overloads)

Adám

@ASCII-only Chalk.

Destructible Lemon

12:18 AM

what is the easiest way to check how old a github repo is?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon oldest commit :P

Or check one of the graphs

ATaco

I thought Charcoal had Vim inspirations.

Mistah Figgins

@ETHproductions was asking because I created one at one point

ASCII-only

@Adám no, still no, no way

@ATaco You must be getting it mixed up with V

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only well if we want to have the old post hoc ergo propter hoc, we could say charcoal was based on Turtlèd

ETHproductions

12:20 AM

Hah, I got Labyrinth, Alice, and Hexagony right next to each other

Mistah Figgins

nice

ETHproductions

And Retina too, once I remove Rail (again?)

Mistah Figgins

@MistahFiggins Although Del|m|t is a little broke ATM

Destructible Lemon

also I would like to claim my bragging rights for being frist ascii art thing that we made that one time

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon ???

Adám

12:22 AM

@ASCII-only That was a joke. Charcoal is good at drawing - inspired by kids' chalk.

ASCII-only

@Adám I know :P

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only I made my ascii art thing before you

ASCII-only

What about all of Conor and Tux's languages :P

Destructible Lemon

and I would like to claim the bragging rights

ETHproductions

We're working on them :P

@WheatWizard Gosh darn it, lambda calculus messed up the graph arrangement

ASCII-only

12:24 AM

@DestructibleLemon noooooooo ;_:

Destructible Lemon

hahaha

of course you get the bragging rights for first ascii art lang with notshit interpreter

so there is that

at least I think you do

I didn't check that crayon thing

Adám

Uh, the graph is becoming unreadable.

ETHproductions

Oh my... the graph thingy put the BF family on the opposite side of the rest of the esolangs

Wheat Wizard

@ETHproductions It actually looked fine, but someone made an edit while I was adding things and the two edits clashed

Destructible Lemon

nope that was a month after you as well

ETHproductions

12:25 AM

That may have been me

Destructible Lemon

I think Turtlèd is inspired by BF

Wheat Wizard

@Adám We need to get rid of all the bloat in the middle caused by all the non-ppcg langs

(looking at you python)

Destructible Lemon

in fact the simplest TC proof is basically compiling bf really easily

Adám

@WheatWizard Yeah.

Is math.js a programming language?

ETHproductions

Looks better now

@Adám Not really, and it's also not created by PPCGers so I'm not sure why it's on there

ASCII-only

12:27 AM

Wait is Mathematica actually inspired by APL

Adám

@ASCII-only Wikipedia says so.

ASCII-only

Also why are Haskell and Binary Lambda Calculus there

ETHproductions

and what are FP and FL?

ATaco

I've personally used Math.js as a programming language.

It's surprisingly TC.

Adám

@ETHproductions We can probably get rid of those. They were inspiration to create J from APL.

ASCII-only

12:29 AM

@ATaco Well yeah it is a programming language but it isn't created by PPCG users

Also Retina isn't inspired by PCRE (it's based on the .NET regex engine)

ETHproductions

Lisp isn't doing anything useful, nor is LISP

ATaco

Fair enough, we can knock it off if we want to.

Ah, that was an assumption on my half, too.

Adám

Thank you "someone" for cleaning up.

ASCII-only

We need an arrow from Java to C# as well, and from C to C# and Java

Adám

@ASCII-only Yes, I thought of that

ASCII-only

12:31 AM

Also someone probably needs to reduce the number of arrows going to JS

The only real influence is Java

Adám

Can I cut out Binary Lambda Calculus?

ETHproductions

Yeah

Destructible Lemon

@ETHproductions lisp is inspiration for pyramid scheme and brainflak

that's pretty cool right?

ETHproductions

then those arrows should probably be added

Destructible Lemon

I would have added them but too fast edits

Wheat Wizard

12:35 AM

I don't think lisp was an inspiration for Brain-Flak

ASCII-only

It wasn't

DJMcMayhem

Not really

Destructible Lemon

o

are you sure

DJMcMayhem

Positive

betseg

why do we still have C#, ObjC and Pascal?

Destructible Lemon

12:36 AM

aw

DJMcMayhem

I know nothing about lisp, sans that it uses lots of parens

ETHproductions

@ComradeSparklePony Please do not add languages that are not ancestors of PPCG-created langs in any way.

Wheat Wizard

I was wondering why I have not yet gotten populist on this question I have over 5x the votes that the accepted answer has.

ETHproductions

I think the accepted answer has to have more than 10 votes or something

Adám

@ETHproductions Kill Mathematica-Mathics-math.js?

Wheat Wizard

12:39 AM

@ETHproductions It does

ETHproductions

Mathics is a PPCG language, right?

Or was that Mthmtca?

@Adám I already killed math.js

Adám

@ETHproductions Mathics is just a free Mathematica clone.

betseg

kill C#, ObjC and Pascal?

Mistah Figgins

> answer with score of more than 10

Wheat Wizard

Man that sucks

Destructible Lemon

12:40 AM

@ASCII-only wait a minute you typoed this

ETHproductions

Well now it does have more than 10, see if you get the badge in the next 24 hours

Mistah Figgins

lol i was maybe about to do that

Adám

@betseg Yup.

Wheat Wizard

I have 3 answers that have more than 2x the accepted, but none of the accepts have over 10

@ETHproductions ok lol

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon No I didn't, one tear is rolling off, the other isn't :P

Destructible Lemon

12:41 AM

@ASCII-only suuuuure

Mendeleev

How is "Illuminator" even possible? How can you answer 500 questions in 24 hours?

Destructible Lemon

magic

betseg

1. you become Jon Skeet

Mendeleev

srsly tho

Comrade SparklePony

@ETHproductions My bad, sorry.

Mistah Figgins

12:43 AM

@Mendeleev I don;t think that means what you think it means

Mendeleev

@MistahFiggins what does it mean?

Adám

Can anyone figure out what the syntax error is?

Mendeleev

Also, why is your profile picture the number 8192?

ASCII-only

@Mendeleev >_> That's not what it means

Wheat Wizard

You have to do it 500 times not necessarily in the same 12 hours

ETHproductions

12:44 AM

@ComradeSparklePony Not a huge deal, but it clutters up the graph with stuff unnecessary to the main point.

Mistah Figgins

it's essentially earn the explainer badge 500 times

Mendeleev

oic

Adám

Should I connect PCRE -> APL because (Dyalog) APL is a superset of PCRE?

Mistah Figgins

i don't think anyone will ever get the tenacious or unsung hero badges given that everyone has a lot of answers and upvotes are common among accepted answers

Wheat Wizard

And accepts are becoming less common over time

(hopefully we can have the accept system abolished entirely)

Adám

12:48 AM

I sorted everything alphabetically. Much better now.

betseg

you made it worse :O

ATaco

Poor Jellyfish.

It's parents are from such different families.

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco :O RACIST/XENOPHOBIC

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ATaco

I didn't say anything negative about it's families, I said it's parents are from separate families.

It's like Romeo and Juliet, without the death.

Wheat Wizard

yet

betseg

12:51 AM

lel

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco actually it's kind of like the opposite because a new language was born

Adám

I actively influence the APL language. Does that make APL a PPCG language?

@betseg Now it is good again.

Wheat Wizard

The question is do you ever make decisions based on ppcg?

Phoenix

How long ago did you start working on APL?

betseg

@Adám Yeah, it's surprisingly good now.

Adám

12:58 AM

@WheatWizard I hope not.

Phoenix

Also I see some graph thing, please give link?

Wheat Wizard

@Phoenix Links in the question

sorry answer not question

Phoenix

What answer?

I literally just came on

Wheat Wizard

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A: What are the relationships between programming languages created by PPCG users

Using the format of Webgraphviz. Links to pages about the languages can be found on TIO. digraph G { "///" -> ReRegex "05AB1E" -> "2sable" "><>" -> Jellyfish "><>" -> Klein "C++" -> Mathematica "><>" -> Minkolang "><>" -> Vitsy "C++" -> Java "C++" -> Lua "C++" -> Perl "C++" ->

Phoenix

Ty

Wheat Wizard

1:00 AM

Why were lambda calculus and grass removed?

(and lisp is still there)

Adám

@Phoenix I first started campaigning for the addition of a primitive in October 2015. It is being added with the version coming out now.

Wheat Wizard

Nevermind they are still there

they just got disconected from haskell

Phoenix

Add AGL?

Wheat Wizard

which makes sense

Adám

@Phoenix Nah, it is to APL what math.js is to JS, no?

Destructible Lemon

1:04 AM

can we unstar the racist/xenophobic comment please

Adám

@DestructibleLemon Too late.

Destructible Lemon

damn

Adám

@Phoenix Wait for .

Phoenix

Link Jelly to TacO (because 2D tacit Lang)?

Nvm it's there already

ATaco

I did the TacO linking, I know it's inspirations.

betseg

1:08 AM

Remove every language that wasn't created by a PPCGer or didn't influence a PPCGer-created language?

Adám

@betseg Yes.

Phoenix

Why is mathematical notation listed

Adám

@Phoenix Made APL and Brachylog's symbols.

Phoenix

But not a Lang

Adám

@Phoenix Neither is lambda calculus. I think both are useful to have on the chart.

ATaco

1:11 AM

Lambda Calculus IS a lang...

Kind of.

Adám

@ATaco A programming language? No. A notation? Yes. So is math.

ATaco

I'd argue it's more acceptable to consider it a programming language than Mathmatical Notation.

Wheat Wizard

I think lambda calculus is a language without a syntax to go with it.

Phoenix

Do we add miniflak?

Also, Assembly->Sesos

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