The Nineteenth Byte

ASCII-only

12:03 AM

@MDXF Fun fact: Charcoal was originally going to have canvas pointer forking

MD XF

@ASCII-only What's canvas pointer forking?

user165474

> at least you closed all of them

MD XF

Is it what Forked's written around?

user165474

(totallyhuman, earlier today)

user165474

so I cc'd you ;P hope you don't mind

MD XF

12:05 AM

Closed all of what?

I'm very confused :P

user165474

brackets

ASCII-only

@MDXF Charcoal always has a canvas pointer (like IP, just for output)

MD XF

Ohhh now I see. lol

user165474

it's a joke because you kept forgetting to close quotes and brackets yesterday lol :P

MD XF

@ASCII-only That's really cool

@HyperNeutrino Yeah ಠ_ಠ

Apparently you can only have your StackExchange profile be 3k bytes :(

user165474

12:06 AM

Bytes or chars?

MD XF

Like I tested the difference :P

user165474

Why wouldn't you? :P

MD XF

The only Unicode characters I ever use are ÿ and ಠ, for the memes

TuxCopter

But Unicode includes ASCII

MD XF

@TuxCopter ÿಠu knಠw what I mean

TuxCopter

12:09 AM

what is this eldritch horror

ASCII-only

@MDXF :| not really lol how would an ASCII-art lang work without a turtle-like object (I suppose V doesn't have a turtle but it's V)

user165474

@TuxCopter Why exactly is your parent profile JudaismSE?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Mine was SO until last week when I realized I got to choose what it was

@ASCII-only No idea, never written/used one

TuxCopter

@HyperNeutrino So I can have a different name & profile pic than my PPCG account

user165474

@TuxCopter Says you: TùxCräftîñg

user165474

12:10 AM

@TuxCopter Ah I see.

MD XF

s/y/ÿ

user165474

@MDXF English, 2 bytes: no

MD XF

* nಠ

user165474

* ñಠ

TuxCopter

@MDXF * 🅱️ಠ

MD XF

12:12 AM

@HyperNeutrino nಠ, ñ is nಠt memeÿ

user165474

@MDXF 0/10 breaks things without unicode support

MD XF

0/10 what dಠesn't have Unicಠde suppಠrt

user165474

@MDXF plz no D: also question: does using ಠ in place of o affect dyslexia?

MD XF

Does anyone know if GitHub supports StackExchange-style Markdown links? i.e. [link] <newlines> [link]: https://link

@HyperNeutrino Yes but it's wಠrth it

user165474

@MDXF 0/10 test it out yourself >:-D

MD XF

12:15 AM

I don't wanna waste a commit lol

user165474

@MDXF no it isn't it affects me reading it and i don't even have dyslexia ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

ha ha ha - or, the meme version, hಠhಠhಠ

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

user165474

Or the unmeme version, o_o

TuxCopter

@MDXF ħಠħಠħಠ for maximum Unicode

MD XF

12:17 AM

@HyperNeutrino 0/10 do not recommend

user165474

@MDXF W̡̓h͇̎y͙̅ ̬̀N͚̕o̗̐t̞̿?̜͂

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino heh I can't even read that :P

user165474

@MDXF exactly >:-D

user165474

It gets even better

MD XF

D:

user165474

12:19 AM

W̛̜͍͓̦͖̮̬̫̒͑̔̿͋́̕̕͜h͓̣̭͕̝͉̗͈̞̉̒̌͌̀̊͂̄͝y̡̺̞̫̲̩̞̻̪̎́̓̆̀̐̔̎̍ ͉͓̙̝̖̰̬͇̙̑̑̍̑͊̇́͗͝N̢͖̝̮̠̪̘̦͇̂̾͋̉̈́͆̐̽͝ơ̧̘͕͉̭̫̠̮̗͐̆̊̀̂͆̆̕t̨̲̥͓̬̱̝́̿̓̇͐̀̏͗͜͜͠?̛̍̋̑‌̧̝̲̫̮̻̳̦͈̀̌͊͑͆

MD XF

ಠ_ಠ

user165474

I can't read that either because my computer doesn't support enough Unicode to render that

user165474

fsymbols.com/generators/zalgo

user165474

10/10 much recommend

MD XF

0/10 do not recommend. Use eeemo.net

user165474

12:20 AM

0/10 do not recommend. uses too much f-word

MD XF

Heh true :P

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I care slightly less about swears on not-StackExchange. But only slightly lol

user165474

I'm in high school so I'm used to it :P

MD XF

Yeah I bet haha

Yay SE Markdown does work on GitHub :D

user165474

yay :D

user165474

0/10 you have too many languages on TIO

user165474

12:25 AM

> too many languages

user165474

not possible :P

MD XF

Wait until Forked gets on there lol

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

(•◡•)/ I think forked is gonna be my best language yet

user165474

Also yay

MD XF

12:27 AM

but I'm not actually gonna implement it until the end of the summer

Cool!

user165474

@MDXF Is this like your 5th language this week or something???

MD XF

Nice name btw, good job thinking of one

13 secs ago, by MD XF

but I'm not actually gonna implement it until the end of the summer

@HyperNeutrino It would only be the third, anyway

user165474

thanks :P It was destructible's idea iirc

user165474

> only

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Destructible came up with Cubically's name too. He's pretty inspired IMO

> third

Conor O'Brien

12:28 AM

274

A: What's your most controversial programming opinion?

Less code is better than more! If the users say "that's it?", and your work remains invisible, it's done right. Glory can be found elsewhere.

user165474

ftlog it took you about as long to create a language as it did just for me to make just my tokenizer... oh wait you don't have tokenizer ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

What do you mean 'tokenizer'?

Conor O'Brien

A tokenizer is a function that splits a string into "tokens"

MD XF

Ah

Yeah, Decimal was hardcoded, rk was space-delimited (IIRC), shortC is tokenized, Cubically is ... a mess :P

user165474

Instead of evaluating character by character, it groups it into tokens first and then the interpreter goes through them

Conor O'Brien

12:30 AM

E.g., in C, a tokenizer might take the string int main(){ puts("Hello"); } and split them up into the tokens "int" "main" "(" ")" "{" "puts" "(" "\"" "\"Hello\"" "\"" ")" ";" "}"

MD XF

Yeah. shortC and rk are tokenized

user165474

In the case of my language, almost every character becomes its own token because it's a golfing lang :P

MD XF

'course, rk took three months. but shortC took thirty minutes

I thought about making a language specifically for golfing

user165474

> thirty minutes

MD XF

and it turned out so bad I purged it from the face of the Internet

user165474

12:31 AM

It took me that long to set up how the tokenizer would work >.<

MD XF

:P

user165474

@MDXF nice job getting rid of it

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Oh that's right, shortC is a golfing language! :D

I was talking about Confuzzlicated

user165474

lol

MD XF

which is (thank the mods) not on TIO

user165474

12:32 AM

also it doesn't look tokenized to me

user165474

@MDXF mods or gods? oh wait same thing

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Exactly :P

@HyperNeutrino it's tokenized by C delimiters and capital letters

user165474

@MDXF er I don't see a tokenizer...

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Either I have no idea what a tokenizer is or it's built in to the interpreter

Conor O'Brien

I used to have a tokenizer that was constructed with regex

user165474

12:33 AM

>.<

user165474

Also I don't like the way your program finds strings, etc.

MD XF

Oh heh duh shortC isn't tokenized anymore

the first version was

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino which one?

user165474

Oh wait nvm I'm dumb

user165474

12:34 AM

That's for autoclosing

user165474

>.<

MD XF

shortC?

user165474

Yes

MD XF

Yeah the autoclosing stuff saves about four bytes every program

user165474

ooo

MD XF

12:36 AM

Also I think out of all my language names (including the one that is literally named after my initials), shortC is the least inspired

But then again... Pyth = PYTHon, Japt = JAvascriPT. C = ... C

user165474

> C = ... C

user165474

lol

MD XF

Accurate. You can't exactly shorten a one-letter word

Unless there's some magical Unicode half-C

user165474

@MDXF -1 bytes use jQuery. Have you tried jQuery?

user165474

(source: here)

MD XF

12:39 AM

hello i have quetions how does shorten a one character word i try for thirtee minutes but nothing comz to mind i already try jQuery thanks

user165474

@MDXF 0/10 please do not talk about mods in that way

Conor O'Brien

shortC

user165474

Wait shog9 is a developer :o

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino no, that was a StackOverflow meme a lot longer ago, I'll try to find it

that was easy

user165474

@MDXF well I mean that's the first place I saw it

MD XF

12:41 AM

see link

user165474

@MDXF ಠ_ಠ how were you so fast

MD XF

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What's funny is, that was an actual question, but Bobince memeified it

(Bobince started the Zalgo meme too)

user165474

lol

MD XF

There's an actual screenshot of the entire ~~thread~~ "Q and A" though, I'm gonna hunt for that too

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF obviously you take all the zeros out

MD XF

12:44 AM

Found it, if you can see deleted posts, which I can't :(

There we go

user165474

wait was this actually a thing for people to troll JS n00bs using jquery

MD XF

No, but jQuery is really great and does all things

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino no, there was a meme on reddit and the poster saw it and the answerers saw it

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Oh yeah, there's a comment: "Is this based on a joke seen on reddit? I'm guessing yes"

user165474

oh lol

MD XF

12:48 AM

Inspired by Bobince, I was right

MD XF

1:00 AM

@ASCII-only A kolmogorov-complexity without a Charcoal answer? :o

user165474

@MDXF lol the comments

user165474

hmm... I can't seem to remember who the other user was...

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino I don't get it :P

Oh. ASCIIrisk. ಠ_ಠ

user165474

lol

MD XF

> Sorry for violating the policy. Thank you for ignoring my comment by replying to it.

Can't imagine why that user got deleted ಠ_ಠ

user165474

1:05 AM

Well I mean that's not a reason for a user to get deleted (I mean posting a stupid answer)

MD XF

Yeah but with spam (ish) like that...

user165474

That was a singular answer

MD XF

I know, I'm saying if he repeated the offense

user165474

Oh true.

MD XF

It's not really like I can search his profile :P

user165474

1:06 AM

s/he/he\/she/

MD XF

"it"

If anyone answers this in Cubically without a generator program I'll bounty

user165474

@MDXF How can you figure that out?

MD XF

I love how literally all the high-voted answers from that thread are from users who never really did anything else

@HyperNeutrino I can't, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but it'll be pretty obvious if you do 'cause it'll take less than a month :P

user165474

@MDXF true :P

Helka Homba

1:22 AM

Is there a way to make a scale without anything elastic like springs? Not a balance.

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Destructible Lemon

@HelkaHomba yes!

use piezo electricity

I'd say I learned it in school but really school told me to go learn something about accelerometers

Piezoelectricity

Piezoelectricity /piˌeɪzoʊˌilɛkˈtrɪsɪti/ is the electric charge that accumulates in certain solid materials (such as crystals, certain ceramics, and biological matter such as bone, DNA and various proteins) in response to applied mechanical stress. The word piezoelectricity means electricity resulting from pressure. It is derived from the Greek piezō (πιέζω) or piezein (πιέζειν), which means to squeeze or press, and ēlektron (ήλεκτρον), which means amber, an ancient source of electric charge. Piezoelectricity was discovered in 1880 by French physicists Jacques and Pierre Curie. The piezoelectric...

wait whoops that's simple english :P

fixed

Helka Homba

1:52 AM

I was thinking more purely mechanical

ais523

by "not a balance", do you mean "can't work like a balance" or "must give weight rather than just comparing two weights"?

if it's the latter, you can imagine a sort of metal tape that curves in one direction only and trails along the ground, you can use a pulley system to balance it against the thing you're weighing

then the distance that gets lifted into the air (as opposed to trailing on the ground) is proportional to the weight of the object you're weighing

user165474

@Dennis What is this?

ais523

@HyperNeutrino as far as I know, it's basically Jelly that uses infinite-precision arithmetic

I'm not sure whether it does it using symbolic numbers or computable reals

user165474

Ooh. Interesting.

Dennis

A very old version of Jelly that uses infinite-precision arithmetic.

ais523

1:59 AM

what specific infinite-precision arithmetic method does it use?

Dennis

Whatever comes with SymPy. :P

tio.run/##y/3/30jH@NDe4P//AQ

user165474

When the mathematician in Dennis shows through :P

ais523

oh, if it has "sym" in its name, it's almost certainly using symbolic arithmetic

user165474

ಠ_ಠ D doesn't exist in M?

Dennis

That would be my guess as well, but I honestly know very little about SymPy.

@HyperNeutrino Sure it does. Only works with integers though.

@HyperNeutrino Ugh, line breaks. .oO(Why do I keep writing these on my phone?)

ais523

2:03 AM

there's actually another possibility I thought about for golfing languages: retroactive arbitrary-precision arithmetic, where you store an approximation and an error term, and if the error is too high to know what the program would do, you rerun with a greater precision value

user165474

@Dennis Oh. I was testing with a float :P

ais523

although that would be very similar in nature to computable-real-based solutions, just with a different evaluation order

Destructible Lemon

@HelkaHomba water?

like put the floating thing on some water, then put the object on the floating thing, then see the amount of water pushed up

tbf this kind of works like a balance

Phoenix

@Dennis What does .oO mean?

Dennis

2:23 AM

.oO(thought bubbles)

Phoenix

oic

Nathan Merrill

I used oO all the time to indicate surprise, which seems to go perfectly with .oO()

user165474

ಠ_ಠ why is this getting reopen votes? It's not clear enough yet ಠ_ಠ

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ais523

it's a pity close and reopen votes are anonymous until the close/reopen goes through, because you can't figure out who to ask about their reasoning for the close/reopen

feersum

2:31 AM

I'm feeling excluded by the latest SO survey analysis. It talks about how much money is made by people who use spaces or tabs, but it doesn't say anything about people who use neither.

user165474

@feersum Wait what do you use...?

user165474

@ais523 True. I agree.

ais523

formfeeds, obviously!

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

feersum

??? why would I need whitespace? It doesn't do anything.

ais523

2:32 AM

for some bizarre reason, most programming languages interpret formfeeds as horizontal whitespace

user165474

@feersum Wait so you don't indent?

user165474

@ais523 wait what that doesn't make sense

ais523

(my guess is that they're using something like isspace to detect whitespace, but are just comparing to newline to see if it's horizontal or vertical)

Phoenix

@ais523 While I'm sure those would render fine, I think it might bork languages that expect to receive spaces or tabs.

ais523

actually formfeeds don't render very well at all in most programs

Phoenix

2:33 AM

I was being sarcastic.

ais523

ah right

user165474

Also why is this getting reopen votes, it wasn't edited since I cast the final close vote ಠ_ಠ

user165474

And then there's this; there's a reason a mod nuked it right away ಠ_ಠ

ais523

I'm under the impression that almost any closed question at all will get at least one reopen vote

getting four is a bit more unusual, though

user165474

Yeah. (Those are the three that show up in modtools :P)

ais523

2:37 AM

(the fundamental problem is that close and reopen votes each lock out the other sort of vote until voting is complete, so if you see a closed question and agree it should be closed, you can't actually express that opinion until it's reopened)

for "the dot is chasing me", at least one person has given a reopen reasoning in comments

you might want to reply to that

user165474

yes. i will look at the comments for those

Destructible Lemon

@feersum not sure whether this is preferable to tabs

user165474

I certainly hope people aren't reopen voting just because they want to answer...

Phoenix

I used to use tabs, that I got tired of changing the settings on every IDE or text editor I use.

Destructible Lemon

can anyone give me feedback on why my koth is unpopular? is it just because it is python and not dead simple like rps?

Phoenix

2:44 AM

CMC: Given a string s and an int n, replace every run of spaces at the start of a line with tabs, replacing every n spaces with 1 tab. If the run of spaces at the start of a line is not divisible by n, leave the remainder as spaces.

user165474

that reminds me, I should add regex to anyfix. brb

Phoenix

Does production APL look readable, at least?

DJMcMayhem

@Phoenix V, 8 bytes: Try it online!

Sorry, 9: Try it online!

Adám

@Phoenix Yes it does. Have a look at something I wrote the other day.

Phoenix

@DJMcMayhem How does it work without a tab literal or \t?

MD XF

2:59 AM

Question: Should I be using GitHub's "releases" for my languages? Does anyone do that?

Leaky Nun

Python, 110 bytes... TIO:

n=int(input())
while 1:s=input();a=max(x for x in range(len(s))if s[:x]==" "*x);print(a//n*"\t"+a%n*" "+s[a:])

DJMcMayhem

@Phoenix ô is equivalent to \t

@Phoenix more info: github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/wiki/Regexes

Phoenix

oh cool

Helka Homba

Poll: Would you rather be a dog or cat?

Phoenix

Cat

Helka Homba

3:05 AM

same

Phoenix

I would read all the files

Destructible Lemon

wait a minute someone else answered my question but I didn't get a notification

Adám

@Phoenix APL, 35 bytes: {('^(\t*)',⍺↑'')⎕R('\1',9⊃⎕AV)⊢⍵}⍣≡

Phoenix

@LeakyNun I feel less bad about how long my ruby attempt was.

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix how long is it?

@Phoenix Python, 87 bytes TIO:

n=int(input())
f=lambda s:"\t"+f(s[n:])if s[:n]==" "*n else s
while 1:print(f(input()))

Phoenix

3:13 AM

Wait no

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix Python, 84 bytes TIO:

n=int(input())
f=lambda s:" "*n==s[:n]and"\t"+f(s[n:])or s
while 1:print(f(input()))

Phoenix

@LeakyNun 63ish bytes, may change as I figure out why it's not working.

69 bytes, Try it online!

n=ARGV[0].to_i
$><<STDIN.read.gsub(/^ {#{n}}+/){|i|"\t"*(i.length/n)}

66 bytes, Try it online!

n=gets.to_i
$><<STDIN.read.gsub(/^ {#{n}}+/){|i|"\t"*(i.length/n)}

I would use p and not $><<, but p outputs \n instead of literal newlines.

Maybe I should post on main

What's a sufficiently clickbait title? I'm fond of Make less money, but not everyone has read the relevant blog post.

user165474

Don't post on main, the rich kids will downvote you... (lol just kidding :D)

Destructible Lemon

3:30 AM

@Phoenix I feel like someone posted this on main before? IDK

Destructible Lemon

3:46 AM

wait a minute wtf

Phoenix

eh?

Destructible Lemon

wtf steam

it's bizzare when browsing ftp games and finding a paid game

Mendeleev

Anyone here play Minecraft BedWars?

@HyperNeutrino

Phoenix

@DestructibleLemon I guess the devs miscategorized their game. I guess you should shoot Steam Support an email?

Destructible Lemon

ehhhh I'm too lazy for that

Mendeleev

3:50 AM

45.35.34.121

Join that

Destructible Lemon

hmm

do you want me to play?

Mendeleev

Anyone

Destructible Lemon

k then

will you do me a favour?

Mendeleev

What?

Destructible Lemon

Make a bot for dungeon of botdom koth

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– of crisis and martyrdom (that's the subtitle because subtitles are cool) In this king-of-the-hill challenge in python (yup; you need go no farther to know you may not submit in java), you need to create a bot that plays a game very similar to welcome to the dungeon Rules You submit a class,...