The Nineteenth Byte

@DJMcMayhem I was just borrowing some things from your dotfiles (I gave you credit :P) and clicked your profile, it was funny that your link was to your PPCG profile and I noticed the old name

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino yes

user165474

@WheatWizard I mean you literally do not have some other text editor...?

user165474

@Downgoat ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino heh alias vim=nano

brb adding that

Downgoat

I assume you are electron neutrino

Wheat Wizard

12:02 AM

@HyperNeutrino I have vim and I use it pretty frequently but some things are better in nano

MD XF

Evil

user165474

stop forgetting to close things!!!11!1 :P

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Ay it was a keyboard mis-hit :P

user165474

@Downgoat But I oscillate between flavors...

user165474

@MDXF ಠ_ಠ I read that wrong sigh

user165474

12:04 AM

there we go

MD XF

I don't want that showing up in my cuss word history lol

user165474

lol

MD XF

Also

4 hours ago, by Hyper Neutrino

NOTE: DO NOT ACTUALLY DO ANY OF THESE ALIASES

Why just why

You weren't supposed to tell them! Noobs were supposed to see this and be like "ooh this is what everyone's doing these days? WELL LEMME TRY" :P

user165474

so we are not to be blamed if when people break their computers

MD XF

meh

Wheat Wizard

12:05 AM

mild alias alias pwd=rm -rf -no-preserve-root /

user165474

also that's r00d to n00bs

MD XF

@WheatWizard mild?

Wheat Wizard

mild because noone uses pwd

MD XF

Heh true

alias ಠ_ಠ='echo ಠ_ಠ'

user165474

alias echo=bash -c

MD XF

12:07 AM

Yesss

github.com/aaronryank/dotfiles/blob/master/.trollrc#L11

user165474

alias echo="echo There's no wall on the other side, so your echo was not heard."

MD XF

ha no missing closing ...thing

user165474

lol

user165474

@MDXF shhh you're not meant to know

MD XF

ಠ_ಠ

Destructible Lemon

12:08 AM

@MDXF plot thickens

user165474

Isn't the mod called "Alex A." though?

MD XF

Heh

duh

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

MD XF

ಠ_ಠ to myself

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino yeah I was thinking that a little bit

wait

MD XF

12:09 AM

Gotta love dyslexia :P

Except A and L don't even look alike... lol

Destructible Lemon

"liao"[2]=="a"

MD XF

:o

Destructible Lemon

plot thickens again

also this convo makes no sense due to your frivolous deletion

MD XF

Can't you see the history

user165474

Dyslexia simulator: import random, itertools; print(''.join(random.sample(list(itertools.permutations(input())), 1)[0]))

user165474

12:11 AM

@MDXF only poster and mods can see history of deleted messages

user165474

try finding the history of this:

MD XF

Ah

user165474

@Dennis chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38175950#38175950

user165474

in talk.tryitonline.net, 22 mins ago, by Hyper Neutrino

@Dennis Is it alright with you if I copy some code from Jelly's source? I'm too lazy to implement certain things myself (namely the ! Pi/Factorial atom)

MD XF

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/tmp/t.py", line 1, in <module>
import random, itertools; print(''.join(random.sample(list(itertools.permutations(input())), 1)[0]))
File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'Hello' is not defined

Wheat Wizard

12:12 AM

I'm pretty sure you've pinged him 3 times now

user165474

@MDXF Are you using Python 2???

MD XF

Python 0.9.1 actually :P

user165474

@WheatWizard I hope only twice, unless oneboxing pings pings again...

Wheat Wizard

I think it does

I've been pinged from a onebox

MD XF

ok just curious why do all the old meme-y people never chat in here anymore? Like Geobits

user165474

12:13 AM

:( sorry Dennis then

user165474

(not pinging because that's just blatantly stupid :P)

user165474

@WheatWizard but was it a reply?

Wheat Wizard

@HyperNeutrino I don't remember

user165474

Okay.

user165474

Well anyway I'll brb in about 15 minutes, gotta go do something. o/

Wheat Wizard

12:14 AM

Should we try in the sandbox? now I want to know

MD XF

Heh... I just did apt-get install python-3. Forgetting that I'd run this to test it.

Wheat Wizard

doesn't python 3 come with the python package?

I haven't set up a linux in a while

MD XF

@WheatWizard I never apt-get install python'd, I just used that python 0.9.1 interpreter I found for you a while ago lol

Wheat Wizard

ah, I see

I don't know how I'd live without python

I use it as a general purpose calculator

MD XF

I have only written like ten things in it, ever

Wheat Wizard

12:17 AM

Python is my mothertongue its the first high level programming language I ever learned

MD XF

The first high-level language I ever learned was... shortC :P

Phoenix

Idk if shortC counts as high level.

Wheat Wizard

Didn't you write shortC? Don't you need to know C to write shortC?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Accurate with most fonts

@WheatWizard Yes. C is not high-level

Wheat Wizard

I would say C is high level, for sure

Phoenix

12:19 AM

The only thing lower is assembly

Wheat Wizard

and machine code

MD XF

I consider anything that directly translates to assembly low-level

and C directly translates to assembly

Wheat Wizard

and I suppose hardware

MD XF

hardware is not a language :P

Wheat Wizard

Is LLVM a assembly language?

MD XF

12:20 AM

Isn't LLVM like super-close to C?

Wheat Wizard

Kind of

LLVM has a lot of libraries in C/C++

MD XF

Judging by the fact that the compilation example on their homepage looks like this

# c++ -g tut1.cpp `llvm-config --cxxflags --ldflags --libs core` -o tut1
# ./tut1

I'd say it's pretty close to C :P

Wheat Wizard

LLVM confuses me

MD XF

Heh R2D2 is a valid Rubik's Cube algorithm

obtw @WheatWizard you learned Cubically right?

Wheat Wizard

I don't remember what the commands are and I've never written a program, but I know how the memory works and what the commands do.

I've learned it aside from syntax, basically.

MD XF

12:26 AM

Yeah close enough, I'm trying to combine the face values of the Up, Left, Front and Down faces to get something larger than 108 but I can't figure out how

U1B3F1L3 gets 108

Wheat Wizard

Whats the ordering on the faces? Up is zero,

MD XF

Indexing or initial values?

Wheat Wizard

initial values, (aren't they the same?)

MD XF

Yup

U1B3F1L3 gets this memory model

Wheat Wizard

yeah but what do they start at?

MD XF

12:29 AM

Oh whoops I never answered, hah. 0 for Up, 1 for Left, 2 for Front, 3 for Right, 4 for Back, 5 for Down

Wheat Wizard

Ok

Theoretic maximum is 120

it should be attainable

MD XF

Of only four faces?

Wheat Wizard

off of those particular four faces

If I had a cube with me I could show you.

MD XF

Oh ok cool

Wheat Wizard

Rubik's Cube Trick : How to swap all centers easily

►

Thats the algorithm you want to use

MD XF

12:34 AM

No center turns yet

but there is an alternate one

Wheat Wizard

@MDXF What does that mean?

Oh I see

no thats not required

this will move all the stuff around the centers

MD XF

U1D3R1L3F1B3U1D3 gets 120. yay

Wheat Wizard

not that it matters anymore, but why did you want this?

MD XF

This might also be helpful, F2B2U1D3R2L2U1D3

Oh I figured out how to do input, these will help

user165474

@MDXF ooo what did you decide?

MD XF

12:40 AM

@HyperNeutrino Input will reset the cube and perform a specific algorithm on it so that :0+125 will yield the inputted ASCII value

user165474

Hm. Interesting.

MD XF

:0+125 = set notepad to the 0th face value, then add the 1st, then the 2nd, then the 5th

user165474

Ooh, interesting :D

MD XF

Yeah. Thanks for the suggestion :D

user165474

I gave suggestion?

user165474

12:42 AM

Or Wheat Wizard

MD XF

It was you, I think

Oh nvm it was @totallyhuman. so thanks @totallyhuman :P

4 hours ago, by totallyhuman

Input as a Rubik's cube algorithm

Also @WheatWizard what's the theoretical minimum value for those faces?

Wheat Wizard

@MDXF Which faces?

0,1,2,5 has a theoretic maximum of 120

any 4 faces that don't form a ring can get up to 113 + the sum of their face numbers

MD XF

@WheatWizard Minimum

Wheat Wizard

Ah I see

lemme think

47

MD XF

:O the lowest I can get to is 66 haha

Wheat Wizard

12:52 AM

Use the same algorithm in the video

MD XF

But that gets it high values

Wheat Wizard

Rotate about a different axis

Oh wait ur right

47 might not be attainable

lemme think again

47 is a lower bound though

I think 47 can be done

I don't have a cube so I can't test rn

user165474

@WheatWizard I have a cube next to me; what's the algorithm?

MD XF

@WheatWizard You can clone the repo, make and ./visualizer

It's a cube emulator that shows exactly what the memory will look like after the inputted algorithm

@HyperNeutrino But hey have fun with this U R2 F B R B2 R U2 L B2 R U’ D’ R2 F R’ L B2 U2 F2

user165474

Oh that one

MD XF

1:06 AM

Superflip

user165474

0/10 that's just ((MU)4xy')3

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino ಠ_ಠ

that is the least dyslexia-compatible thing I have seen all day. And I've been code golfing ಠ_ಠ

user165474

oh ಠ_ಠ sorry :P

MD XF

:P

user165474

ಠh

MD XF

1:08 AM

strawpoll.me/13210267

user165474

@MDXF 0/10 not enough options

user165474

I clicked "Vote" and it gave me

{"success":"failed","errors":[[{"LanguageID":0,"PhraseID":null,"IsHtmlText":tru‌e,"Phrase":null,"IsMock":false,"IsToDo":true,"Language":null,"PreformattedText":"‌Please check the box or enter the text seen above.","Args":[],"IsEmpty":false}]]}

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Not my fault ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wheat Wizard

Need a cube to find it

On Sunday rn

Can only chat at stations

user165474

@WheatWizard On train rn?

Wheat Wizard

1:19 AM

Yes

user165474

@MDXF ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Blaming other people is fun

user165474

@WheatWizard ooh cool. wait how long are station stops? and train has no wifi?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino ಠ_ಠ blame the Strawpoll hosts

or ATaco

user165474

@MDXF 0/10 I never blamed you in the first place anyway

MD XF

True lol

user165474

1:20 AM

0/10 revealing that you're guilty because you know the blame is meant to be on you

Wheat Wizard

About 45 second only the stations have service. It's the NYC Subway. When I get home I'll use my personal cube.

user165474

@WheatWizard oh so you can only chat like every minute or so for a bit? interesting

user165474

Also, darnit my while loops aren't working ಠ_ಠ

Wheat Wizard

I can type messages in the tunnels

user165474

Interesting. Hm.

user165474

1:22 AM

My phone's connections are too slow so it wouldn't connect in time probably ಠ_ಠ

user165474

oh wait i'm dumb the while tokens aren't consuming the stuff in them so it runs it one time too many ಠ_ಠ

user165474

CMC: Figure out when / disapprove became a thing by measuring when the frequency of ಠ_ಠ suddenly jumps up

user165474

(cc @ATaco)

Wheat Wizard

But I can't send them until I arrive

user165474

Ah. I see.

user165474

1:24 AM

and you can't see messages until you arrive

Wheat Wizard

Yeah

Not every station has network to o

user165474

oh :I :( :P

Wheat Wizard

The Subway is a little behind the times.

user165474

Ah. I see.

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino Wouldn't it be easier to look at when the repo was established

Also, /o_o is golfier and has same effect.

user165474

1:28 AM

@Phoenix shh I know that but this is a CMC you're meant to do that

user165474

ಠ_ಠ wait that works

user165474

also how did it not work for you

Phoenix

It checks for a present command every 500 milliseconds

If you press enter really quickly it won't do the substitution

user165474

oh lol so you just ninja'd it

user165474

/o_o

user165474

1:29 AM

darn

Phoenix

Which is why (•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)(•◡•)/likelikelikelikelike works

user165474

Ah. But then when you edited it found more

user165474

interesting

Phoenix

Yep

LegionMammal978

1:44 AM

Weird

My bandwidth suddenly halved a few minutes ago

ASCII-only

@LegionMammal978 Did you just split into two versions of yourself or something :P

LegionMammal978

@ASCII-only ???

ASCII-only

Each version would take up half the bandwidth which would explain why it halved :P

Realistically, it might be a problem (or possibly a server problem) but I'd wait like a day before reporting

LegionMammal978

Blame Comcast :p

Phoenix

2:08 AM

> Listening to MonstercatFM on computer
> Turn up volume on phone
> Spend an entire 45 seconds wondering why it didn't work

user165474

@Phoenix why doesn't it work

user165474

oh wait computer != phone

user165474

ಠ_ಠ

Phoenix

Every. Damn. Time.

user165474

CMC: Make a program that when installed on both a computer and a phone, will synchronize the volumes.

Phoenix

2:11 AM

@HyperNeutrino The guys at Symless might be intrested in that.

user165474

Ooh. Interesting.

user165474

> intrested

Phoenix

It isn't free, but if you have the ultimate first world problem of too many computers, it's nice.

user165474

Ah. I should recommend it to my friend who literally has a room with 5 computers (his parents are both developers, so... yeah :P)

user165474

well maybe not 5

Phoenix

2:13 AM

@Phoenix I just did it again ಠ_ಠ

user165474

maybe like 4 with 8 monitors or something like that

user165474

@Phoenix ಠ_ಠ better idea: put your phone away. done 10/10 :P

Phoenix

19$ for lifetime access isn't a bad deal, either.

user165474

Ah. I see.

user165474

2:13 AM

Wait whoops I accidentally inserted and sent a ZWSP ಠ_ಠ

user165474

Wait now I can type /disapprove without needing to ninja the script :D

Phoenix

> Screensaver sync
> Make all screensavers come on at once

10/10 useful feature

user165474

Wow. Much useful.

Phoenix

Drag and drop files cross-computer is neat though.

user165474

Yeah. That sounds very amazing though that it works cross-platform too. 10/10 would recommend

Phoenix

2:16 AM

I would totally use it if I cleared out my desk enough to fit a monitor and my laptop on it.

user165474

ooo

user165474

Wait but what would the monitor connect to?

Phoenix

I have a desktop

The laptop runs OpenSUSE, the Desktop is my gaming computer with Windows

(My desktop lives on the floor)

user165474

Ah okay.

Phoenix

nooo file drag-and-drop not supported on Linux yet

user165474

2:17 AM

> cleared out my desk enough

user165474

disorganized person? :P

Phoenix

I have so much garbage on it.

And I mean actual garbage like used tissues.

user165474

lol I never use my desk so... yeah :P I just use the table in the basement

user165474

@Phoenix ew you're going to get sick

Downgoat

Can a mod unfreeze the cheese room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/37686/cheddar

ASCII-only

2:31 AM

@Downgoat wait why

Leaky Nun

2:45 AM

@isaacg just any program with huge memory requirement / runtime requirement will do

run it 10 times or so

Phoenix

I found a new favorite song
It's so garbage

soundcloud.com/captaincomedy/…

Leaky Nun

@Dennis but SBCS is like the most general coding right, and C should use UTF8 right, just like other languages right?

ASCII-only

> right right right

@LeakyNun C usually uses ASCII btw

Dennis

@LeakyNun C was around decades before UTF-8 was even a thing, and Unicode is usually cumbersome in C. SBCS makes more sense imo.

Leaky Nun

@Dennis so what is \xe0 in native C?

Dennis

3:00 AM

The byte e0. No Unicode and/or UTF-8 involved.

Phoenix

If my C code has codepoints outside the range of ASCII, will it work?

If not, then SBCS works, and that SBCS is ASCII. If it does work, than you can put Unicode in to act as multiple characters, but it would be counted as one byte on TIO.
(Or I don't get it at all)

ASCII-only

@Phoenix *Extended ASCII

Phoenix

But there are lots of extended ASCII character sets

ASCII-only

@Phoenix Well yes it will probably work, but it will probably be interpreted as multiple extended ASCII characters

Leaky Nun

What is the Spanish translation for "No, I try..." given here? I seem to be hearing "no, yo trocuro" but the last word isn't a word.

@Dennis

Dennis

3:12 AM

procuro

Leaky Nun

oh, thanks

how much of castellano espana can you understand? @Dennis

Downgoat

@LeakyNun ._. Do you know like alll langauge :P

ASCII-only

@Downgoat No I don't think he knows Charcoal that well yet

Phoenix

@LeakyNun It's listed as a different name for the same language on Wikipedia

Prolly quite similar

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix His Spanish is Latin American IIRC.

Phoenix

3:17 AM

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix cuando digo "castellano espana", quiero decir la version de espanol que se dice en Espana

Phoenix

@LeakyNun Pienso que no hay una gran differencia.

Dennis

@LeakyNun It's essentially the same language. Like BE and AE.

Leaky Nun

@Dennis but the /θ/ is very different

opθion vs opsion

fasθina vs fasina

Dennis

That varies by region in Spain as well.

Leaky Nun

3:22 AM

well, "standard" Spain Spanish

Dennis

There's no such thing.

Leaky Nun

Alright.

Phoenix

Are there commitees for standardizing spoken languages, like there are for programming ones?

Dennis

Some attempt to, but at the end of the day, it matters what's spoken/written by the people, not what's written in some guideline.

Downgoat

@Phoenix I know France does but I mean people speak what they speak

Phoenix

3:24 AM

Unless you're a teacher :P

Leaky Nun

well at least they have RAE

Phoenix

RAE?

Dennis

For Castilian Spanish (and other Spanish languages as well, I assume), there's the Real Academia Española. They're weird though.

Leaky Nun

Royal Academy of Spanish

Dennis

Royal Spanish Academy

Leaky Nun

3:25 AM

right.

Phoenix

I guess English has Perdue. They're also weird.

Dennis

As long as the RAE keeps insisting on spelling whisky as güisqui, I'm just going to ignore everything they say.

4

Phoenix

According to Perdue, the gramatically correct gender-neutral pronoun is ey.

Dennis

According to RAE, it's él which means he.

Phoenix

No one other than Perdue consideres ey to be a real word.

Leaky Nun

3:29 AM

@Dennis sin RAE la jente eskriviría palavras así

Dennis

They already do.

Phoenix

XD

Leaky Nun

at least not on television.

Dennis

They do here. Well, not that bad, but bad.

Leaky Nun

(a menos no en television?)

Downgoat

3:30 AM

@Phoenix well there's the scrable dictionary

Phoenix

It considers ey a word

Really

Leaky Nun

English has no official, how do you say, standardizing official.

@Dennis po rejemplo?

Phoenix

@LeakyNun All of the English teachers subscribe to Perdue

Dennis

Can't think of a recent one. I don't watch TV.

Leaky Nun

@Phoenix only in your region

Phoenix

3:31 AM

I suppose

Leaky Nun

My teachers look up to Oxford and Cambridge and the like.

(Yes, HK English is more similar to UK English)

Phoenix

Right, for UK English it would be Oxford. For US english it's Perdue

If Australia had a standardizing authority once, they have long since given up.

Destructible Lemon

3:47 AM

@HyperNeutrino why would you get sick from own snot?

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