The Nineteenth Byte

Destructible Watermelon

12:04 AM

@WheatWizard what do I have to do to have polynomial time?

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon It doesn't have to do anything just loop in polynomial time from the input

Destructible Watermelon

ok, I don't know how to make something be polynomial time...

Downgoat

:O One day away from 500 days

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon It means that when you input n it should take n^k time with k being any integer greater than 1.

Big O notation

Big O notation is a mathematical notation that describes the limiting behavior of a function when the argument tends towards a particular value or infinity. It is a member of a family of notations invented by Paul Bachmann, Edmund Landau, and others, collectively called Bachmann-Landau notation or asymptotic notation. In computer science, big O notation is used to classify algorithms by how they respond to changes in input size, such as how the processing time of an algorithm changes as the problem size becomes extremely large. In analytic number theory it is used to estimate the "error committed...

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard [...]?

Wheat Wizard

12:09 AM

@ASCII-only The negative monad

ASCII-only

Without using what

Destructible Watermelon

hmmmm, if you used the height of the stack, you can pop to decrement, but making the height of the stack the input could be hard...

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only The negative monad

ASCII-only

@WheatWizard What is that

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman do you have experience with symbol tables?

Wheat Wizard

12:11 AM

@ASCII-only ([()()()]) pushes negative 3. [...] makes what ever is inside of it negative.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Some, considering that I implemented variables in Pytek.

ASCII-only

Oh Brain-flak, I misread

Destructible Watermelon

is unary input allowed?

Wheat Wizard

@DestructibleWatermelon no

Destructible Watermelon

hmmm, seems impossible

Wheat Wizard

12:12 AM

thats what makes it a challenge :P

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Woah, that's mind-bending.

Wheat Wizard

I think it is impossible now

might be a bit hard for a CMC

ASCII-only

How is it impossible? Also how is input taken? ASCII?

Wheat Wizard

@ASCII-only Input is taken as a single integer

ASCII-only

Hmm

DJMcMayhem

12:14 AM

Why not just square it and loops through?

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem you need the negative monad to do that

DJMcMayhem

Oh

Destructible Watermelon

I'm not sure it's possible to do without polynomial time...

ASCII-only

@DestructibleWatermelon It's easy to do O(1) though

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard For the squaring or the looping through?

Downgoat

12:18 AM

@Dennis considering the unanimous support of a PPCG blog, can you inquire to the SE overlords about us getting one? (or is there some other process you can recommend)

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem both

Destructible Watermelon

@ASCII-only is that really a loop though?

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem Looping

@DestructibleWatermelon Yeah {{}}

DJMcMayhem

Input is one integer

And that would be O(N) not O(1)

ASCII-only

No I was talking about a one integer loop in O(1) time

Doorknob

12:20 AM

@Downgoat That's hardly unanimous, considering its participants are "a small subset of regular chat users." Actually what it's not even unanimous at all, with only 78% in favor...

Destructible Watermelon

@DJMcMayhem it pops the number and the loop only runs once

Downgoat

@Doorknob other 22% is "Indifferent" there is 0% for Nay

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat SE is actually planning on shutting down individual site blogs, since they aren't active enough, I guess. We can make our own on another platform though.

Doorknob

Also, we went over this, but it never became a thing.

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman huh :/ that sucks

I think Worldbuilding uses Medium

El'endia Starman

12:21 AM

@Downgoat IIRC, yes.

Helka Homba

@Doorknob The site was surely much smaller 2 years ago

Downgoat

^

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard Yeah, thinking over it, I'm almost positive it's impossible. Without wrapping or any way of decrementing...

Downgoat

I think that was before code-trolling even? (am I wrong?)

Since SE is closing down site blogs, should we make a PPCG Medium blog like Worldbuilding?

Helka Homba

What would a blog be about?

Like, what's an example post, who gets to write it, who ok's it?

Downgoat

12:31 AM

@HelkaHomba anyone (who is approved) can write on it

> Writers can submit their stories to a publication, where the story will be reviewed by its editors before being added (editors can also make edits to your story). Writers also can remove their story from a publication to which it has been added.

^ from help center

Destructible Watermelon

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ are you going to try?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

sure

join my game?

wait wha'ts your steam

Destructible Watermelon

Destructible watermelon

also how would I join your game...

oh, found you

ASCII-only

@HelkaHomba I'd think a lot of it would be language design

El'endia Starman

@ASCII-only I was thinking that too. We have tips questions for golfing ideas, mostly.

Downgoat

12:38 AM

@HelkaHomba Language design, code-golfing, site talk, etc.

El'endia Starman

A few posts could be about incredible posts, like primo's (right person?) record-breaking BF Hello world program or Martin's brute-force of cat programs in Hexagony.

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat I think this question would be more appropriate for meta

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem hm :/ I'll wait until a mod enters the room and I'll discuss it with them (and whether or not I should post a meta post)

Helka Homba

@Downgoat How about you just start up the blog, do a few posts, then encourage others to contribute too? Spearhead it and show it's a cool idea and others will be more enthusiastic.

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman right person

El'endia Starman

12:40 AM

I wouldn't mind contributing a post. Just gotta pick some topic...

Conor O'Brien

I'LL WRITE FOR THE BLOGGGGG ON ESOLANG DESIGN

PLEASE

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hahahaha

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien Yeah, and maybe ROFLcopter as well

quartata

I'm not so sure about it; that feels like it's appealing to a small part of PPCG. It kind of feels like we have so many niches that a blog about them all would require a lot of folk

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Just maybe use a custom account/email to make it so transferring ownership later is easy (unless the blog platform makes this easy)

El'endia Starman

12:43 AM

@quartata What sort of niches?

quartata

I guess "niches" was a bad word for it. But with all the different kinds of challenges, languages and just general interests it seems like it would be hard to make something that truly encompasses our scope and not just a limited part of it

Esolangs aren't everything

Downgoat

(not to understate Mr. Heisenberg's work, but still...)

ASCII-only

But it's a major part

quartata

@ASCII-only Really isn't.

The vast majority of people here golf in regular languages

ASCII-only

But a lot of solutions are of esoteric languages

I have no idea what we could talk about for ~~regular~~ normal languages apart form Pytek/Cheddar etc and golfing tips

New Main Posts

12:49 AM

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Q: Exploded Suffixes

Given an ASCII string, output the exploded suffixes of it. For example, if the string was abcde, there are 5 suffixes, ordered longest to shortest: abcde bcde cde de e Each suffix is then exploded, meaning each character is copied as many times as its one-indexed location in that suffix. For e...

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba idk what emial platform to use for that tho then

if i try making ppcg blog specific gmail account, google will log my location, phone #, and all my information

and if account is transfered then ono

PPCG Medium Blog

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only true

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:18 AM

PPCG Blog

Discussion about the PPCG Blog: medium.com/code-golf

@El'endiaStarman can you move all these messages into ^?

El'endia Starman

Sure. One moment...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

thanks

brb

El'endia Starman

→ 68 messages moved to PPCG Blog

Conor O'Brien

thanks!

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Idea for a game: conway's game of life, but multiplayer

ASCII-only

1:28 AM

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Been done before

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Downgoat

@El'endiaStarman added you

El'endia Starman

Woohoo!

quartata

52

Q: It's Life, Jim, but not as we know it

You probably know Conway's Game of Life, the famous cellular automaton invented by mathematician John Conway. Life is a set of rules that, together, allow you to simulate a two-dimensional board of cells. The rules decide which cells on the board live and which ones die. With some imagination, y...

king-of-the-hill game-of-life

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ninja'ed

@mınxomaτ would you be interested in possibly having the podcast on a unofficial PPCG blog?

5

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1:30 AM

@ASCII-only I know, but that one's not fun

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No I wasn't

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I would definetly.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

you don't count

i'm asking the guy who owns it.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

but not just about PPCG

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata oh, sorry

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC no. This is a PPCG blog, not a coding-in-general blog.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1:32 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Ok then who's willing to start a democratic, crowdsourced blog for the developer culture?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Not me!

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that exists, it's called r/programming >_>

New Main Posts

0

Q: Natural Pi #1 - Sand

Goal Generate (N) random line segments of uniform length (l), check if they cross the equidistant (t) parallel lines. Simulation What are we simulating? Buffon's needle. Smooth out the sand in your sandbox, draw a set of equally spaced parallel lines (call the distance in between t). Take a st...

code-golf math random pi

Helka Homba

Anyone know a good way to have a keyboard macro run automatically every time a certain application opens?

Downgoat

@mods can pls officialize unofficial ppcg blog

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ that, my friend is technical stuff. I'm talking "oh here's a cool library" "oh here's a good podcast on economics"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:34 AM

that's... r/programming generally

if not that, then it's some other subreddit. I've seen it before.

@Downgoat we can do a meta post later

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

> "No gods or kings. Only concrete."

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

[Trailer] Screeps - MMO sandbox strategy game for programmers

►

PhiNotPi

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that's been a thing for a while, there was a PPCG Screeps group a while back.

Unfortunately (IIRC) screeps turned into a pay-to-win game. (additional computation time cost money)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@PhiNotPi Idea: PPCG Screeps, a collective open-source screeps controller

one person pays

Downgoat

PPCG Blog style poll

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1:40 AM

@PhiNotPi any other of these kinds of games?

screeps interface is yucky

@Downgoat wat's beta blue?

Downgoat

i.e. the deafult beta desing

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@PhiNotPi pleeease any other kind of this game?

PhiNotPi

I honestly don't know.

El'endia Starman

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Don't repeatedly ping or ask people the same (kind of) questions over and over.

PhiNotPi

The concept of a long-term KOTH has been percolating on PPCG for a long time.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

1:48 AM

CMC: how much RAM and GhZ (of processing power) do you have? And OS Family.

Make a complex open-source one, like screeps but reiterated?

4GB, 3GhZ, BSD/Darwin

ASCII-only

4GB, 2.16 GHz

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only my computer is pretty slow often... and yours....

at least my OS deals with swap well

ASCII-only

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ASCII-only tl;dr my computer is slow

quartata

If it's slow, it's just because of OS X.

ASCII-only

1:54 AM

Yeah

quartata

Cocoa aside I think we can all agree Mach is shit

ASCII-only

I have a Celeron, you can't get much worse than that

Qwerp-Derp

Hello

Argh can't build Skulpt for some reason

quartata

Skulpt is super bad use Brython instead

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Qwerp-Derp

2:05 AM

So wait for brython

Can I do something like <script type="text/python" src="path/to/something.py"></script>?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Qwerp-Derp Yes!

brython site > inspect element the demo > it's text/python

npm is like pip but with too many bells and whistels

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ kurzgesagt video will be out soon (dear chat mods: LegionMammal is a kurzgesagt fan, and I referred him)

Proposal: use "se" as a gender neutral pronoun. Borrowed from spanish. Pronounce "say"

Conor O'Brien

just port your code >_<

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC there's already xi tho

quartata

Why write JS when you don't have to

Conor O'Brien

why code when you don't have to >_<

quartata

Fair

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

2:13 AM

PPCG Nomic Reboot (nomic = a game where rules are modified during gameplay)

Conor O'Brien

oh I love nomic

Downgoat

can anyone find a vector of the PPCG logo?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ConorO'Brien Well I'm making a new one!

Conor O'Brien

for a challenge, or a chatroom?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ConorO'Brien a chat room

@ConorO'Brien github.com/CrazyPython/ppcg.nomicon

> Rule proposals will be formatted as Pull Requests.

Chatroom = game, GitHub = parliament

Conor O'Brien

2:17 AM

that's going to be chaotic ._.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

why? @ConorO'Brien

Conor O'Brien

I just feel like it would be easier to do strawpolls with duplicate checking

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ConorO'Brien Just click the edit icon on the web interface and use thumb up/down emoji reaction for voting.

Conor O'Brien

maybe just use issues for rule changes?

a pull request seems a bit much

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ConorO'Brien Pull Request is just an issue, but there's a merge button

Conor O'Brien

2:19 AM

oh, I didn't see rules.md.

proceed :P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ConorO'Brien join me chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/46841/ppcg-nomicon

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

2:36 AM

ppcg.nomicon

github.com/CrazyPython/ppcg.nomicon

Downgoat

For PPCG Blog i have two designs:

idk if i should use unofficial design which looks better or official design which looks more plain

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

first one

ASCII-only

@Downgoat Title banner is too big

Downgoat

@ASCII-only i can make same size as bottom one

ASCII-only

@Downgoat Yea, I think that would be better

Anonymous

2:56 AM

@ASCII-only Your avatar is an appropriate amount of spooky. Good job.

Dennis

3:11 AM

@Downgoat I prefer plain.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Play a game of Yahtzee king-of-the-hill game In the game Yahtzee, players take turns rolling 5 6-sided dice up to three times per turn, possibly saving dice between rolls, and then selecting a category they wish to use for their roll. This continues until there are no more categories (which happ...

Anonymous

@NewSandboxedPosts Took you long enough

ASCII-only

Help is it okay if an interpreter accepts a custom codepage via a flag?

IMO it's way easier to parse as unicode by default

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Yep

PhiNotPi

@NewSandboxedPosts I'm concerned that Yahtzee is too easy to play optimally.

Downgoat

3:15 AM

@Dennis ok, I'll leave as plain then

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi The only optimal strategy I'm aware of only applies when the joker is free choice (meaning you get to pick any category for subsequent Yahtzees, rather than the forced joker rules outlined in the challenge)

Dennis

@ASCII-only That's what Jelly does. It uses the u flag for UTF-8.

Anonymous

And besides, that optimal strategy only optimizes the average score - not the chances of winning. It also only works in isolation (no opponents).

PhiNotPi

fair enough

Nathan Merrill

I don't know if you're going to get enough trials to differentiate the two strategies

Geobits

3:18 AM

Yahtzee seems like it could be a code challenge instead of koth, because there's no real interaction.

Nathan Merrill

the interaction is there: How risky you play depends on how far ahead your competition is

Geobits

Hmm. I suppose.

Nathan Merrill

I still don't really think its interesting enough for a KoTH

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Games will be fast (I'm going to require that each turn is decided in < 5 seconds), so running 100 or more games won't take long.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

ppcg.nomicon

github.com/CrazyPython/ppcg.nomicon

Nathan Merrill

3:22 AM

you'll need a lot more than 100 games IMO

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^ star if you want people to see it

Anonymous

Yeah it will probably end up being 1000 or 5000

Nathan Merrill

Is every player going to play in every game?

Anonymous

Yes, aside from any tiebreaker games, where only the tied players will play

Anonymous

Design question: I'm going to allow players to see scoring information about their competition. Should they be allowed to see the entire scorecard, or just the current score?

Nathan Merrill

3:27 AM

the key here is that the highest-score strategy and the optimal strategy will only make a difference maybe once every 100 games. In a 1v1, this means you're going to be dealing with a 49 vs 51 score with a high variance. So, in a 1000-game tournament, you're dealing with 490 wins vs 510 wins, but the 490 could be anywhere from 470 to 510

however, this isn't a 1v1, which means that a bunch of times you aren't going to be able to win no matter what

I just think that the random variables are going to play a much bigger factor than the optimal-average-score vs optimal-win strategies are going to play

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I think you're misunderstanding. There is only one "optimized" strategy (which only optimizes average score over many runs) and even then only in free joker rules. Even if that strategy was adapted for fixed joker rules, all it would do is maximize the average score, not the number of games won. There is no known optimal strategy for maximizing the number of games won in a multi-game tournament.

Nathan Merrill

I'm assuming that there is an optimal strategy for the latter

I think its going to be really hard to have enough games for it to make a difference

Anonymous

There isn't - there are too many possibilities for the game state to have an optimal strategy, plus the non-deterministic nature of the game.

Nathan Merrill

there absolutely is an optimal strategy. You can calculate all of the possibilities

I mean, that likely isn't computationally feasible until the end game, but it's still possible to calculate

Anonymous

No, you really can't. It's not computationally feasible because there are so many options - the game state tree is huge. It would be impossible to compute the optimal strategy given any current game state within a reasonable time limit. That's like saying that you can calculate all of the possibilities for chess - theoretically yes, realistically not a chance.

Nathan Merrill

3:33 AM

1 min ago, by Nathan Merrill

I mean, that likely isn't computationally feasible until the end game, but it's still possible to calculate

literally what I just said :)

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat Are you making a PPCG blog?

Wait what is going on

Nathan Merrill

but my point is, is that the "Best Average Score" vs "Most Wins" strategy (assuming it was possible) is going to rarely make a difference

Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp We made a PPCG blog

Nathan Merrill

and running enough games to find that difference is also computationally infeasible

Qwerp-Derp

Oh you made one already

Anonymous

3:36 AM

@NathanMerrill It absolutely will. There's a huge amount of variance in the best average score strategy.

Anonymous

The best average score strategy can score over 1000 with perfect rolls, but as low as 12 with bad rolls.

Nathan Merrill

right, that's because its yahtzee

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I golfed title on your blog post

Nathan Merrill

that has nothing to do with the strategy you're using

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat Follow'd

Downgoat

3:37 AM

:D

if you'd like to write for it, you can make medium account and tell me username and i can add you as author

Anonymous

But being able to adapt to the randomness and out-score your opponents is a very different goal than trying to get the maximum average score

Nathan Merrill

I agree, but the "Most Wins" strategy actually has more variance than the "Best Average Score", as "Most Wins" will try riskier moves when it is farther behind

Anonymous

You're referring to that strategy as if it was actually fleshed out

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ do you mind if I merge your two welcome posts into one?

Anonymous

There are multiple avenues for "most wins" - that's the point of the KotH

Nathan Merrill

3:40 AM

@Mego in the end game, its pretty obvious to see.

If you are behind 40 points, you aim only for a yahtzee, even if you have an empty slot on a full house

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill But you still have to get through the first 8-10 turns before it's endgame

Anonymous

You're focusing on 20% of the game

Nathan Merrill

right, the only 20% we have any knowledge about

Anonymous

I still think it would make a good KotH. Your arguments have not swayed me.

Nathan Merrill

Ok :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

3:54 AM

@Downgoat sure

Downgoat

okay, i did it but the first post is still hanging around on your own personal medium profile which you may want to delete

Anonymous

4:19 AM

Great, semantic satiation is setting in... "category" looks wrong now.

PhiNotPi

:( my face when I edit an abstract class that then breaks the 20 classes that extend from it.

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi I know that feeling

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi I love refactoring!

seriously. Not sure why, but I rather enjoy it

PhiNotPi

4:39 AM

@NathanMerrill depends how much nicer the code is after doing it

Qwerp-Derp

@ASCII-only Where does the logicode.py print to STDOUT?

I'm implementing this for Brython

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp ?

Should be only in out

Any call to print outputs to STDOUT

Qwerp-Derp

Oh

Anonymous

4:55 AM

Java 8's Stream API has almost made me start liking the language

Yodle

I like java :[

Anonymous

Functional programming is a must-have for me to like a language. Closures and the Stream API are pretty good. But, Java has too many faults (imo) for me to like it.

PhiNotPi

woo symbol table!

0 null null
 2 INT test
 7 INT whatever
 8 BLOCK null
  13 INT thingy
 23 SUB do_thing
  24 ARG helicopter
  27 ARG test
  31 INT res
  36 BLOCK null
   42 BLOCK null
  56 SUB reset

Anonymous

Nice

PhiNotPi

basically an outline of all of the scopes and variable declarations in the test program

Now for the fun stuff: RAM mapping

Qwerp-Derp

5:04 AM

Well, I don't think I can use Brython with importing files

It's buggin' out because of synchronous XMLHTTPRequests

PhiNotPi

(well, not quite yet, but I do have to calculate which variables will be stored in which way: global static address or locally, etc.)

Good night!

Good morning!

5:35 AM

@Anyone do you think there's a use for an image-manipulation golfing language

Also help what commands does an ASCII-art golfing language need

Erik the Golfer

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Oh, you did smallcaps again. Also, my Medium username is @erikkonstas.

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Vertical and horizontal repeat, rotation, reflection, mirroring, etc.

Qwerp-Derp

Ah screw it, using PyPyJS

betseg

110

Q: How to handle a senior developer diva who seems unaware that his skills are obsolete?

A colleague is working in a small software development company (twenty employees). He's a part of a team of five developers who work on the leading product of the company. For a few years, the founder was unhappy about the technical skills of the employees, and he recently hired a senior develop...

team politics

☺🔫

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp Don't, startup time is horrible plus it's really big

Qwerp-Derp

5:41 AM

Ah

But Brython doesn't work...

ASCII-only

@Mego Vertical and horizontal repeat? And what's the difference between mirroring and reflection

Anonymous

@ASCII-only Horizontal repeat would be like:

Anonymous

ab
cd

->

abab
cdcd

Anonymous

Vertical repeat would be the same, but vertically rather than horizontally

Anonymous

Mirroring is reflection that preserves the original portion

ASCII-only

5:50 AM

Okay, most are already implemented, and I don't see how repeats are that much better than repeated prints

Anonymous

reflect("ab cd") -> "dc ba", mirror("ab cd") -> "ab cddc ba"

ASCII-only

Or how repeats are better than just filling a polygon with an input string

Anonymous

Eh, either approach is fine - as long as there are the tools to get those results, it doesn't really matter what they're called

Qwerp-Derp

Argh why do you need to custom-build skulpt.js

I don't understand

ASCII-only

Hmm, anything else and ASCII-art language would need?

Anonymous

5:53 AM

I'm guessing you have polygon creation methods

DJMcMayhem

How complete is it at the moment? Do you have any sample code? What's the memory model/execution model?

Anonymous

Rotate and scale are important

ASCII-only

Charcoal

Discussion and design of Charcoal, a golfing language optimize...

There's link to a markdown document on the starboard with some examples at the bottom, any documentation is pretty far from up to date

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@EriktheGolfer will add you on morning

Erik the Golfer

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Good night! Here it is already morning, though.

ASCII-only

5:59 AM

@DJMcMayhem It's usable right now, rotation with copy isn't implemented yet because it's not finalized, some other builtins as well e.g. Bresenham/Bresenham polygon because command characters haven't been decided yet

@Mego Depends on how you define a polygon (i.e. what can you specify), right now polygon sides can only be in a compass direction

Anonymous

@ASCII-only I'm looking at the GH repo right now. What you've done is really impressive.

Anonymous

It also took me far too long to realize you were somebody aka Mars Ultor

ASCII-only

@Mego Thanks :D

Anonymous

You have a seriously outdated version of Seriously in your Python-Holes repo

Anonymous

Even for v1, it's old

ASCII-only

6:09 AM

Hmm

I probably need to delete all those cloned repos (some of them by accident), and update/redo that

Anonymous

Aren't they submodules?

Destructible Watermelon

why is the one of the best parts of candybox throwing candy on the ground?

ASCII-only

Yeah, but I think I accidentally cloned them to my GH as well

@DJMcMayhem Samples are near the bottom of the markdown document, what do you mean by memory/execution model

Qwerp-Derp

7:22 AM

Is anyone on?

Destructible Watermelon

yup

ASCII-only

Anyone here good at Python? I think I'm running into some scoping/variable naming issues

never mind

@Qwerp-Derp For Logicode REPL's enter program, you should probably change raw_input to a print("Logicode> ") and a sys.stdin.read() so it will read until EOF (Ctrl+D on most systems), meaning you can enter multiline programs

Qwerp-Derp

Ah

KK, will do once I finish the IDE thing

Destructible Watermelon

7:45 AM

I am going to make new esolang!

ASCII-only

@DestructibleWatermelon :D Yay

Destructible Watermelon

It's going to be like that comm one, but different

also I had an idea that could be applied to other esolangs:

betseg

?

Destructible Watermelon

regular one dimensional code, but control flow consists of one conditional skip command, and a begin 2 dimensional navigation command, and 2d redirect commands

betseg

Nice

Destructible Watermelon

7:50 AM

[if expression] cond_skip naV naV
@this is the else clause    <   @This is the then clause

@ returns the language to 1d mode

all other chars are ignored

also I was thinking about another non-alphanumeric thing for down in 2d mode, so V in naV does not affect

maybe ';' or '!'?

I am not trying to keep this idea for myself: if you want to use it, I want you to use it

I think there was a similar idea on esolangs actually...

but not exactly the same

esolangs.org/wiki/Twocode

I am making new esolang, I need ideas for a name

betseg

esolang_1

For the name

Qwerp-Derp

8:06 AM

@ASCII-only Halp how to use Skulpt for logicode.py

Destructible Watermelon

@betseg ಠ_ಠ

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp No idea I don't use Python for browser

Qwerp-Derp

:(

Destructible Watermelon

8:30 AM

I'm not sure whether to str.split() the program for my new esolang, or not, so that the idea I had for 2d stuff is still open, or similar ideas...

ASCII-only

8:52 AM

0/10 str.split as a tokenizer

Sherlock9

'Tis simplest, and perhaps weakest

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