The Nineteenth Byte

Destructible Watermelon

12:07 AM

So, I was thinking that I needed to change the commands in my programming language, to make them shorter...

Conor O'Brien

please

not everything is not about golfing

if you're making a language, focus on making it good, not just making it short.

Destructible Watermelon

Well, quite obviously it's not about golfing

the commands are long

but they are WAY too long right now is my point

if the longest command manages to be this long, I'll be fine:

||| ||
||| ||
||| ||
||| ||
||| ||

but at the moment, the longest is like twice the length of that.

DJMcMayhem

wat

Why would you use ASCII-art to demonstrate how long your commands are?

Destructible Watermelon

because that is how the commands work...

DJMcMayhem

Oh. What's the language?

Destructible Watermelon

12:17 AM

technically, I could cut off the |s, but I need characters when it's actually being used

it's going to be called typological or eloquently or something

typological is just to spite someone who corrected me when i said typological, and told me it was typographical

It's going to be more verbose than java, brainfuck and some other language combined!

I was thinking of using deadfishesque arithmetic...

Ahh, I have an idea...

wait, no i don't

quartata

Not sure why I'm doing this, but I'm too lazy to write something myself, so CMC: Think of a more dramatic but short way of saying "You dehydrate and die"

Destructible Watermelon

"You discover water is vital"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

quartata

Right, forgot I'm asking a room full of programmers with addictions to dry humor

6

No pun intended

DJMcMayhem

@quartata teehee

Destructible Watermelon

for a more verbose one

quartata

12:27 AM

It should be less than 80 characters. (Not to put a damper on your creativity just that it needs to fit in one You() line)

Jonathan Allan

0H20==~this

Destructible Watermelon

nah, never mind

DJMcMayhem

> Your parched body collapses in the dust.

quartata

Perfect.

Lemme go through the macros really quick to see what the body part thingy for "body" was again

DJMcMayhem

Yay, did I win the CMC?

quartata

12:30 AM

yes

DJMcMayhem

\o/

@quartata What does that mean? I don't get it

Destructible Watermelon

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A: Print every printable ASCII character without using it

Deadfish, 43 bytes, 85 DNP o #0 io #1 iio #2 iiio #3 iiso #4 iisio #5 iisiio #6 iiisddo #7 iiisdo #8 iiiso #9 Doesn't fit the definition of programming language, but this IS constant output...

quartata

I think the thing that's impressed me the most about Nethack's source so far is that it has this incredibly complicated internal body part system just so that sentences like Your hand feels funny can be Your claw feels funny or Your paw feels funny depending on what you're polymorphed into

Destructible Watermelon

nobody likes my deadfish answer ;_;

Downgoat

french question: I am looking at an -er verb, ending in y, but it's conjugated as a boot verb with the y replaced with i. Is this consistent with all -yer verbs?

DJMcMayhem

12:31 AM

@Downgoat Is this a homework question? :P

Steven H.

Because there's 85 DNP @DestructibleWatermelon ._.

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem nope. just studying for test

DJMcMayhem

^^ Yeah, that's pretty boring.

quartata

@Downgoat Yes. There's a few other verb types whose stems change like that

Destructible Watermelon

@StevenH. but someone told me stupid answers got heaps of points...

quartata

12:32 AM

Your book probably covers them

Steven H.

Someone lied

Downgoat

@quartata ok thanks

quartata

It's only for je, tu, il, elle, ils, elles forms

DJMcMayhem

If they're a) Hilarious b) FGITW or c) Technically valid but completely against the spirit of the challenge (and novel!)

Destructible Watermelon

104

A: Paint Starry Night, objectively, in 1kB of code

Mathematica, score 14125.71 "a.png"~Export~ConstantImage[{75,91,110}/256,{386,320}] Simply saves this image: to a.png.

1040 points for blue canvas...

DJMcMayhem

12:33 AM

That is simultaneously A, B, and C

quartata

@DestructibleWatermelon Actually he's gotten 1232 rep from it

Destructible Watermelon

that's a matter of opinion

quartata

That's 11% of his rep.

Destructible Watermelon

@quartata oh right, i forgot to check the split

Doorknob

@quartata Not after the repcap he hasn't

quartata

12:35 AM

@Doorknob Ooh, right.

One second lemme SEDE

Doorknob

Also, I tried to go downvote that but then I realized I already have.

New Main Posts

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Q: Scan dactylic hexameter in a unique puzzle

As a terrible Latin student for several years I have learned to hate many things about Latin. However there is one thing I love. Latin scansion. Latin scansion has many of rules. For this problem we will be using simplified subset of those rules (real Latin does not have a neat spec). Before...

quartata

Actually, Nethack just in general has way too much code dedicated to grammar and tense

makeplural, otense, ...

It's kinda strange and scary

Steven H.

I dare you to import Nethack in a solution @quartata

quartata

That would be pretty easy actually

#include"hack.h" gives me everything

Clearly they had that in mind

Steven H.

12:38 AM

It's not too many bytes either, which is nice

quartata

Exactly

Destructible Watermelon

better to use ascii io (like bf), decimal io (like brainflak did), or both (like brainflak does)?

Steven H.

Both

Conor O'Brien

both!

Destructible Watermelon

keep in mind, I'm trying to keep command length down

Steven H.

12:44 AM

How many commands do you have so far

DJMcMayhem

@DestructibleWatermelon That is correct (although decimal is default)

Downgoat

question: what goes under .PHONY in a makefile?

Conor O'Brien

fake data?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Destructible Watermelon

My favourite part about home spring is, that they obfuscated programming into rivers, then obfuscated rivers into poetry

Yo @NinjaBearMonkey!

NinjaBearMonkey

@DestructibleWatermelon o/

Destructible Watermelon

1:01 AM

Kinda trying to figure out the best way to generate values...

Downgoat

^ overview of formal grammar and automata theory infographic I made :3

Conor O'Brien

> Donald Knuth was

._.

@Downgoat also, epic

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien shit whoops

idc engugh to fix

@ConorO'Brien :D

DJMcMayhem

:/ I wanna post a challenge but I'm tired and I don't have any ideas...

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem challenge idea: in shortest byte possible fix wordpress so it doesn't bork

Destructible Watermelon

1:07 AM

@Downgoat just get out paint and cover it up

Downgoat

:O :D I fixed my blog!

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem you should post an alphabet challenge ;)

Dennis

@Downgoat English, 18 bytes: use something else

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat English, 2 bytes: no

DJMcMayhem

I thought about making one for kenny, but I didn't get around to it in time...

Conor O'Brien

1:11 AM

Downgoat

@Dennis Jekyll requires me to rebuild everytime I want to make blogpost tho

and idk if it has KaTeX and all

@ConorO'Brien wat

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien 10/10, made me laugh. 0/10 N++

Conor O'Brien

goto line in npp

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @Doorknob Thirst is almost done. I'm also starting work on one of several new special level types -- this one is called a "snowflake" and it'll be fairly common

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem ಠ_ಠ what do you use. Vim? hah

Steven H.

1:12 AM

CMC: Is it possible to interpret something without parsing it first?

seshoumara

How can one invite a user to a chat room? I don't to use any question or answer comments.

Conor O'Brien

real programmers use n++ :P

DJMcMayhem

@seshoumara If you click on their name there should be a button

@ConorO'Brien Do you have to ask? The editor I use is like 80% of all topics I talk about in here. Hahaha.... ._.

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien ಠ_ಠ and vim do not belong to together in a non-negative sentence

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat they aren't in the same sentence... >_>

I like to program, not to program programs

Destructible Watermelon

1:14 AM

@ConorO'Brien isn't programming programs what programming is...

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien Which is totally fine. I can't imagine ever using something else, but to each his own.

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem 10/10. :D

@DestructibleWatermelon no. writing programs is what programming is

seshoumara

@DJMcMayhem I don't see any button. Are talkin about the name written here in the chat, but the point is that the user isn't.

Destructible Watermelon

@ConorO'Brien wat

you make no sense

DJMcMayhem

@seshoumara Oh, I meant in chat. Not sure how to do that on main.

Steven H.

1:16 AM

RIP CMC

Destructible Watermelon

@StevenH. it is possible, you can parse while running...

Conor O'Brien

@StevenH. sure. I can put german into google translate without parsing it :P

Destructible Watermelon

in fact, a lot of programming languages can't be parsed

seshoumara

So from the site to invite to chat. If he doesn't appear in TNB then except comments there's no way to do an invite?

Conor O'Brien

CMC: given an array, sum the cumulative sum. 1 2 3 => 10, 5 2 3 => 22, etc.

Steven H.

1:17 AM

wait no

Destructible Watermelon

@ConorO'Brien what

what even is the question...

quartata

Cumulative sum is 1 2 3 -> 1 3 6

Destructible Watermelon

oh, i get it now

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien MATL, 3 bytes: Yss

Not Xs, that was wrong.

Steven H.

Pyth, 8 bytes, naive interpretation: s.u+NYQ0

Less naive: s*V_Sl

DJMcMayhem

1:21 AM

@ConorO'Brien "Programming text" is a great analogy for vim, but once you feel comfortable in vim it kinda just... flows. It's almost impossible to convey how awesome it feels when you just move the text around without having to think about it.

Maybe that's true about mastering any workflow

(Although I certainly would not say I have mastered vim yet)

Downgoat

$ cat fixwordpress
#!/usr/bin/env sh
sudo systemctl restart mariadb.service

Destructible Watermelon

x=lambda y:sum(y)+x(y[:-1])if y else 0

I think that works.'

Downgoat

turning things on and off fixes it more times tha not

Destructible Watermelon

lemme test

wait, it doesn't like it

fixed i think

it works!

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem I'm having enough trouble with french

I think I am responsible for the first stack-based functional programming language

Steven H.

1:26 AM

Pyth, 4 bytes: ss._

Conor O'Brien

like, legit functional

Steven H.

@ConorO'Brien which one?

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem tbh i have to think a lot when using vim on what combination of characters to use when doing stuff

Conor O'Brien

not released yet. I called it n#

Downgoat

but once it works you feel good because you feel like string magician :)

Steven H.

1:27 AM

Do you have public documentation yet? even if it's not an interpreter

Jonathan Allan

@ConorO'Brien Jelly 3 bytes: +\S

Conor O'Brien

@StevenH. actually, I don't even have local documentation

I'm going to release this tomorrow

Steven H.

Tsk, tsk

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien plz update document oration

Conor O'Brien

@Maltysen I think it is updated

DJMcMayhem

1:29 AM

@Downgoat That's fine. I still do at times, although less and less so. iirc you haven't been using vim as long as I have.

Right? How long have you been using vim?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata ooh

Steven H.

Is it a golfing language or a standard esolang? Or is it a "real" programming language

Conor O'Brien

@StevenH. it's golfy, but still a standard esolang

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem I've been using it only knowing how to insert mode for like 6 months. I've been using vim like not a complete idiot for around two-three months I'd say

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

snowflake being rooms extending out from the center @quartata?

Downgoat

1:30 AM

;_; traffic pls :3

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat OK. I've been using it for... uh 1.5-2.0 years? I don't remember exactly how long.

Steven H.

Sample code pl0x

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem >_> that's longer than I've been programming

DJMcMayhem

Haha. I've been programming for about 4 years.

Downgoat

I'm approaching around ~1.5 years IIRC >_>

DJMcMayhem

1:32 AM

Maybe a little less than that. since I kinda started slowly it's hard to know exactly when I "started programming".

Downgoat

(unless you call HTML programming then it's a bit longer)

Conor O'Brien

@StevenH. for n#?

DJMcMayhem

I think I overestimated. I've probably only been coding for 3 years

It's hard to keep track of.

Downgoat

okay, btw starting on cheddarfiles. Should I make my own syntax or do you have a config file type you really like?

(I'm not using YAML or JSON)

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat key=value separated by newlines

Downgoat

1:37 AM

yeah. It'll be something like that

probably will need to be more complex tho

Nathan Merrill

then do json

Downgoat

ew no

json is bulky and uck :P

Conor O'Brien

how?

Downgoat

it doesn't even allow traliling commas

@ConorO'Brien all keys need to have ""

Jonathan Allan

@DestructibleWatermelon -1 byte: x=lambda y:y and sum(y)+x(y[:-1])or 0

Conor O'Brien

1:40 AM

eh

Downgoat

it's also unreadable without indentation which is difficult to do on command-line

which doesn't make it a good application for a config file

Nathan Merrill

ok, trailing commas is a valid complaint

Downgoat

I'm also working on porting cheddar to C++ and JSON doesn't make sense with that

Nathan Merrill

but indentation is necessary for any complex structure

@Downgoat and there's a format that "naturally" fits with C++?

Downgoat

JSON is like for JS though

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

1:41 AM

chirp chirp chirp

Downgoat

this is amazing

Conor O'Brien

it's in Python and Ruby....

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

pretty quiet right now

Nathan Merrill

JSON is, by far, the most widely accepted format

then XML, but I think I remember you saying that json is bulky

quartata

I thought you were using INIs?

Nathan Merrill

1:43 AM

YAML is nice because its easy to read, but you were already complaining about making it easy to read

also, bonus for JSON: you'll have a library for converting to/from JSON. Every good language needs one of those

Jonathan Allan

yep, Python has pickle, but json is still in the stdlib

DJMcMayhem

My current project at work is gonna mix python and JSON, and I'm a little bit worried about how well that'll go... :/

Nathan Merrill

oooh, JSON without braces, and uses indentation instead

that could work

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill that's what python did and now snek is disliked by goats around the globe :/

quartata

I asked the goat in my curry the other day about Python and he seemed OK with it

Conor O'Brien

1:58 AM

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

mınxomaτ

haha

Downgoat

@quartata :O you give your goat so much curry for food he was in it???

quartata

No, no.

TheBitByte

Hey guys!

I wanna ask, is there an "ideal" amount of time a challenge stays in the sandbox for?

quartata

72 hours

Nathan Merrill

2:08 AM

until it gets feedback :)

TheBitByte

@quartata Well, I'm currently at around more than a day or so.

Nathan Merrill

if its been a while (at least 24 hours), feel free to post it here

mınxomaτ

Another thing I've been working on: A complete in-browser VM with hardware passthrough for x64, i386, ARM and SuperH-4 using Google Chrome's PNaCl. Here's a short demo running TinyCore Linux.

Downgoat

@TheBitByte until it gets 1-3 upvotes at least. Though usually leave it for around 3 days and if it doesn't have a negative score or none addressed comments, then it's prboably good to go

/Users/vihan/Documents/cdr/cheddarfile/dist/index.js:1
(function (exports, require, module, __filename, __dirname) { "use strict";Object.defineProperty(exports,"__esModule",{value:true});var _typeof=typeof Symbol==="function"&&typeof Symbol.iterator==="symbol"?function(obj){return typeof obj}:function(obj){return obj&&typeof Symbol==="function"&&obj.constructor===Symbol?"symbol":typeof obj};var _createClass=function(){function defineProperties(target,props){for(var i=0;i<props.length;i++){var descriptor=props[i];descriptor.enumerable=descriptor.enumerable||false;descriptor.configurable=true…

TheBitByte

@Downgoat I had 2 upvotes, now I'm back at 0 because of some angry folks. (xnor I'm looking at you :D)

Downgoat

2:10 AM

this looks fun to debug...

quartata

Meta consensus is 3 days

TheBitByte

Well, I hate waiting, but I hate writing bad challenges too.

There's this feeling always that your challenge is incomplete, you did something wrong there, even though to the naked eye it looks almost perfect.

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien in node .readFile. It has too callback args, err and data. if there is an err, is data null?

Conor O'Brien

idk

Downgoat

;_;

oh, it returned undefiend

that works iguess

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

2:17 AM

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A: The longest period iterating quine

Mathematica, period 9999 ≈ 1010108.567841344 Print[StringJoin[ToString[#0, InputForm], "[", ToString[#1 - 1 /. 0 -> "9^9^9^9"], "]"]] & [9^9^9^9] The iterations replace the final 9^9^9^9 with the literal numbers 9999 - 1, 9999 - 2, 9999 - 3, ..., 3, 2, 1, and back to 9^9^9^9.

I WORKZ HARD 2 JUIC AVOCAD, PLZ GIV UPVOTEZ

> 9999 ≈ 1010108.567841344

Downgoat

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ avocado meme is pretty old now :/

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

I mean...

TheBitByte

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Randall should do a WhatIf on that one. It would be cool.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@TheBitByte It's from What-If

TheBitByte

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Oh. Link?

"How many fireflies would it take to match the brightness of the Sun?", this one, right?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

2:22 AM

@TheBitByte what-if.xkcd.com/151

ninja'd

TheBitByte

Well, Ninjas aren't like what the movies show.

So being "ninja'd" is, whatever.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@TheBitByte citation-needed

TheBitByte

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ google-it

quartata

clean up on aisle eleven

Dennis

@quartata I wish it was easier from mobile.

Downgoat

2:31 AM

@Dennis give me RO powers and I can do it ;3

Dennis

I do wonder how the dreamified version of @ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ's would look like.

@Downgoat Also difficult from mobile. :P

El'endia Starman

*whistles nonchalantly*

Downgoat

@Dennis here's a link. which should make it easier to do that :3

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

Aug 27 at 0:56, by Adnan

Dennis

@Downgoat Too late, already taken care of. Starman to the rescue!

(Kinda sounds like a super hero.)

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Uh, so much for my can't tell if you already did it punchline.

Destructible Watermelon

2:37 AM

@JonathanAllan does that work with zero values?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

ima go to bed, night

TheBitByte

CMC: Write a program that calculates the result of the infinite series "(1/1)+(1/2)+(1/3)+(1/4)+(1/5)+(1/6)..."

Jonathan Allan

@DestructibleWatermelon, what do you mean? x([])=0

@TheBitByte why do you need a program?

Destructible Watermelon

oh wait, it would work, wouldn't it?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@TheBitByte Mathematica, 4 bytes: ∞&

TheBitByte

2:40 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ No builtins.

Destructible Watermelon

(if it's falsy because zero, it still evaluates to zero i guess)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@TheBitByte Define "builtin"

Destructible Watermelon

So I guess it's actually slightly more efficient as well

TheBitByte

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ The stuff that Mathematica always has a builtin for.

I just assumed this was one of them too.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@TheBitByte Erm... Mathematica, 27 bytes (ignore errors): Sum[1/x,{x,∞}]~Check~∞&

Dennis

2:43 AM

So, İ? I'm assuming division by zero doesn't count as a built-in.

Jonathan Allan

@DestructibleWatermelon - still not sure what you're asking

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

disappears in a puff of

Destructible Watermelon

it's slightly more efficient if it ends with multiple zeroes

Jonathan Allan

@DestructibleWatermelon when y ends up as [] it evaluates the or and yields 0

Destructible Watermelon

I meant as in values that are zero

sorry for confusing

Jonathan Allan

2:47 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon you mean like x([2,5,3,0,0,0])?

Destructible Watermelon

@JonathanAllan yup

> [WARNING: Do NOT use these gates in production quality domino computing. They are highly unstable and easily broken. Also, if you professionally make domino computers, please tell me where you work ]

TheBitByte

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ So yeah, I don't have Mathematica installed. What does this print for you?

Jonathan Allan

How can it give a result for the sum of an infinite series which diverges?

TheBitByte

Um, that's the point?

Jonathan Allan

@TheBitByte that's why I asked why you'd need a program...

do you mean calculate the sum of the first n terms?

TheBitByte

2:53 AM

@JonathanAllan No, I mean the entire series.

Jonathan Allan

@TheBitByte I'm confused.

TheBitByte

@JonathanAllan Brush up your maths haha.

Maltysen

@TheBitByte no he knows its inifinity. I'm wondering the same things he is, why you need a program for this

Jonathan Allan

@TheBitByte Well you could just explain it rather than "talking down"

TheBitByte

@Maltysen What do you mean by "need a program"?

Jonathan Allan

2:56 AM

The answer is infinity...

Maltysen

^

TheBitByte

@JonathanAllan That's not the point. Where's your code?

Jonathan Allan

hence why my instant reaction was "why do you need a program?"

I don't need any :p

TheBitByte

@JonathanAllan You could use that logic on all challenges.

Nathan Merrill

by that logic, you could argue we don't need computers

Maltysen

2:57 AM

@TheBitByte no? if it was like first n terms of harmonic, then you would need a program

TheBitByte

@Maltysen By his logic, for example, in the 99 bottles challenge, he could just type it out and say you don't need code.

Jonathan Allan

@TheBitByte but you're just asking for code that outputs nan

Nathan Merrill

@TheBitByte you could. It's a terrible answer, and debatably "not competitive", but still a valid program

TheBitByte

@JonathanAllan I'm asking for code that outputs infinity, not NaN.

Jonathan Allan

most languages don't have the concept

TheBitByte

2:58 AM

That's kind of the point.

Jonathan Allan

and we're back to square 1

ok trolololol

Maltysen

@TheBitByte that's the normally the thing for questions with constant outputs, but for 99 bottles you have the idea of kolomogrov-complexity. it doesn't really apply here with "print ∞"

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