The Nineteenth Byte

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:01 AM

@Downgoat :DDDD

y u do dis

y u no ping me

i'm the only one who didn't completely give up small caps

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ o ;_; i fergit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

kk i fergiv

Downgoat

:D :D :D

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I just deal with small caps thanfully there is a feature that pops up a mouseover of your iusername

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lel

ColdGolf

12:03 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I could use a favor. Need two more reopen votes on my interesting puzzle (scroll up)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

link me?

ColdGolf

-3

Q: Repetition of letters

Your task is to take an input, for example: a,b,4,5 And produce an output, which per this example is aaaabbbbb a,b,4,5 means: the lowercase character "a" is repeated 4 times, and is then followed by the lowercase character "b" repeated 5 times, making the total number of characters 4+5=9 Anot...

code-golf

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

not until the stupid i/o is removed

DJMcMayhem

@RohanJhunjhunwala I'm sure you could compress pi very well. Sure it's random, but it only has 10 distinct values, so you could easily base 256 encode it.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I'm trying to shame --- less --- fullly promote this language... github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.L.O.S if anyone wants to help out

stupid mini markdown strikethrough

@DJMcMayhem yeah you could do that easily

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

12:06 AM

@ColdGolf BTW, if my answer to your question is invalid, leave a comment and I'll delete it when I wake up tomorrow

Downgoat

@βετѧΛєҫαγ ;_; y u change avatar

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@Downgoat Haha should I change it back?

ColdGolf

@βετѧΛєҫαγ Double check your answer with the testcases.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@ColdGolf I mean, I describe the input format in the answer

'g','o',1,2

ColdGolf

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ??

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:08 AM

you have very restrictive i/o format

Downgoat

@βετѧΛєҫαγ yes pls. i have no idea who you are anymore, as i identify 99% of people by their avatars

^

Fine :D

:D

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ But without the restrictive format, it seems even more a duplicate. Not that I'm making an argument for the restrictive format :/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:09 AM

yeah

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@Downgoat Done

Geobits

You're letting Downgoat tell you that avatar changes are confusing? How many has he been through? :P

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

I dunno

1?

Downgoat

@Geobits 1

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Vihan to Downgoat

Downgoat

12:12 AM

Downgoat -> Upgoat (becaus of peer pressure ;_;) -> Downgoat

@βετѧΛєҫαγ oh that was ages ago

DJMcMayhem

@ColdGolf I'm sorry, but your challenge is still definitely a duplicate. I just read through them both, and the only difference is that your challenge has a restrictive IO

Geobits

But to further reinforce his point, I sometimes forget that Downgoat was once named Vihan. I always have to look it up to remember it. But that's a name/avatar combo change, so slightly more.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

^

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Am I the only one confused with MartinButtner being targged in older comments?

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Yes

Geobits

12:14 AM

Wait til you find one tagged Rusher :)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I know its Martin Ender, but it seems like it would be a cool feature for those to automagiclaly fix itself

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@m.buettner

Downgoat

feature [fop]: Added unary functional operators:x

^ how to know vim failed you

Geobits

I dunno. I kinda like it that my old meta.se posts during the holidays are still referenced with @GenericHolidayName

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@Christmas

@LabourDay

@IndependenceDay

Downgoat

12:16 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ btw y u no include ";_;" in your "y u"s ;_;

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

y i fergit

idk

y u do dis brain ;_;

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

:D

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @brian y u fergit ";_;" ;_;

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Nych'all

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

nn

Nathan Merrill

12:18 AM

MartinEnder is actually harder for me to remember than MartinButtner

Geobits

It would flow much better if it was golfed to Martender.

>_>

Downgoat

@applemail ;_; y u put important red cross email in spam

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Quill

Martender the Bartender

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Downgoat

XD

:O just adding two mocha excludes boosted coverage 5%!

@Quill pls halp mocha excludes not wokring

instrumentation:
  root: src
  excludes: ["**/local_modules/**", "./cli/**", "./helpers/**"]
  include-all-sources: true

local_modules is excluded but cli folder is not

Quill

12:33 AM

no idea

Downgoat

D:

Quill

your globbing pattern is probably incorrect

Downgoat

ik but idk how 2 fix

google not helping :(

ColdGolf

CMC: Given an input of a string of text, *lossily* compress it.

Examples:

"Hello!!" ----> "Hello!"

"Seriously!??" ---> "Seriously‽"

"What is going on.....???" ---> "What's going on?"

And so on.

Downgoat

;_; @mocha y ur docs as shitty as Java's golfyness ;_;_;_;

@ColdGolf VTC unclear

ColdGolf

12:38 AM

@Downgoat ??

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I have a KOTH idea

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

Question: How do I create a mock X11 instance for testing I/O of another program?

@DmitryKudriavtsev ?

@ColdGolf JavaScript (ES6), 5 bytes, 0% compression ratio: x=>''

Quill

@Downgoat just search node globbing patterns or something

Downgoat

\o/ great, istanbul doesn't even have docs

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

You get 1 bullet every 2 turns, each turn you can move in the 8 directions around you unless there's a wall there. You can see in a 9x9 square centered around you. The aim is to kill all the other bots. When you get shot, you lose 5 HP, you gain 1 HP each turn, start with 20 HP (the max).

Downgoat

12:41 AM

at least its no where on their github

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

you can shoot in any of the 8 directions as well.

Here's an example playing field:

01 ########################################
02 ##[][][][][][][][][][][][][]##[][][][]##
03 ##[][][][][][][]B2[][][][][]##[][]B7[]##
04 ############[][][][][][][][][][][][][]##
05 ##[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]##
06 ##[][][][][][][][]######################
07 ##[][]####[][][][][][][][][][][]##[][]##
08 ##B5[]####[][][][][][][][][][][]##[][]##
09 ##[][][][][][]##########[][][][]##[][]##
10 ##[][][][][][][][][][][][][]B1[]##[][]##
11 ##[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]##[][]##
12 ##[][][][][]B8##[][][][][][][][][][][]##

ColdGolf

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ ??

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

> *lossily*

ColdGolf

So?

Lossily doesn't mean 0% compression ratio, in fact, probably a higher compression ratio than if it were loslessly compressed.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

B[?] is a bot's starting position

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

12:43 AM

So?

DJMcMayhem

You didn't explain what it does mean

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

It's unspecified.

Downgoat

why the hell would you make a giant super complex coverage testing thing and not even have docs ;____-;

ColdGolf

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Lossy compression = Opposite of losless comprssion

orlp

how do I try out brainflak?

brain-flak.tryitonline.net/…

like that

how do I try it?

from the top answer from codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/90852/…

I tried putting in arguments but it only ever outputs 1

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

12:45 AM

Anyone want to give feedback?

DJMcMayhem

@orly it looks like it's missing input

It currently doesn't take args

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ

@ColdGolf So? I just created a program that compresses with 100% loss

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat does cheddar have sorting yet?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien yeah of course

[3,2,1].sorted

Conor O'Brien

ah

eval?

ColdGolf

12:46 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΨΠʹ Not funny, really.

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien no

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat kk

Downgoat

planning on how 2 do eval

quartata

If it helps, Python has two evals: eval which creates its own scope, and exec which uses the current scope

DJMcMayhem

@ColdGolf You didn't explain what the challenge is, so you can't complain

ColdGolf

12:47 AM

@DJMcMayhem I did.

DJMcMayhem

No you didn't, otherwise that answer is valid.

Downgoat

omf ive had it with istanbul. brb changing to blanket.js

quartata

Just make your own testing framework

I'm telling you

Downgoat

why?

its an extra project that'll have bugs and take time to maintain

quartata

amount of time it would have taken to make your own that works exactly the way you want < amount of time you've spent crying and swearing at mocha and istanbul

It's not like the basics of them are all that complicated

Downgoat

12:51 AM

i can easily make a test system. Making a code coverage thing seems more complicated

quartata

That's true. I'm sure there's already a JS grammar you can find for the basic analysis

Downgoat

(btw mocha is fine. istanbul is the evil one)

mınxomaτ

The least exciting demo ever of a User -> SYSTEM escalation exploit in Windows 10

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Downgoat

@mınxomaτ webm? o_O

y not mp4

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mınxomaτ lel nice name

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

12:54 AM

@mınxomaτ such hax much wow

You are l33t haxxorx

ColdGolf

CMC: Given an input of a string of text, lossily compress it.

In other words, reduce the number of bytes that the string of text takes, without changing the overall meaning of the string.

Make repeated question marks appear once, crazy long ellipseses repeated once, combine question marks and exclamation marks that appear together into a single interbang (‽), etc, etc.

Examples:

"Hello!!" ----> "Hello!" (Two exclamation marks that repeated are now occurring only once)

"Seriously!??" ---> "Seriously‽" (Question marks and exclamation marks that are repeated a lot are condensed into a si…

quartata

Too broad

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Moar robust spec needed

ColdGolf

@quartata Did you even read the full text?

DJMcMayhem

What's an interbang?

ColdGolf

12:56 AM

@DJMcMayhem "‽"

Google it.

Conor O'Brien

@ColdGolf it's interrobang.

quartata

@ColdGolf It would have been fine except for the "etc etc"

What else do you want us to do?

ColdGolf

@quartata Nothing else, if you insist.

Just do as described.

DJMcMayhem

Why not just say something like "remove all repeated non-alphanumeric characters"? It's slightly different but way simpler and close enough

quartata

I don't get the last test case, what happened to the ellipsis?

I thought it should be reduced to just one no

ColdGolf

12:59 AM

@quartata Ellipsis ' "...", double ellipsis = "......" six dots reduced to three

quartata

I don't see an ellipsis in the result is what I mean

It's just What's going on?

ColdGolf

It's five by mistake and I can't edit the post anymore, sorry.

quartata

Oh, OK.

ColdGolf

@quartata "What's going on......????" ----> "What's going on...?"

quartata

Ah crap, I can't use BB96 with Unicode

Stupid interrobang

ColdGolf

1:00 AM

Heh.

ColdGolf

1:13 AM

Can I offer 25 bounty on a question?

Conor O'Brien

idts

quartata

No. Minimum value is 50.

ColdGolf

:(

My rep is low, that's why I'm asking.

I can't refund the bounty either. I don't like this.

Plus, for what reason do I lose the privileges I had before the bounty? Really?

Dennis

If bounties didn't cost anything, people would give them out like candy. That kinda defeats the purpose.

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ColdGolf

Imagine I'm a 10k guy, and now I offer a bounty and I'm 9950. Why do I have to lose the 10k tools?

DJMcMayhem

1:17 AM

1 min ago, by Dennis

If bounties didn't cost anything, people would give them out like candy. That kinda defeats the purpose.

Downgoat

@ColdGolf 50 isn't that bad. I mean post one decent answer and boom, the rep's back!

Conor O'Brien

or one half-decent question

ColdGolf

@Downgoat Well, your kind of boom is a bit far fetched.

quartata

You only need 5 upvotes on an answer to get 50

With our crazy voting culture that's pretty easy

Downgoat

^ 10 votes on a question is also easy

quartata

1:21 AM

10 votes on a question is a little harder but not by much

DJMcMayhem

I have very few questions <10 but a lot of answers <5

Dennis

Much harder imho. I've gotten over 100 upvotes for a 0 byte answer.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis because you are practically a meme :P

Dennis

Nah, just HNQ.

ColdGolf

@Dennis HQ9+ isn't a programming language, is it?

It's listed under "joke languages" on esolang.org, if I remember correctly.

quartata

1:24 AM

It doesn't meet our criteria for one

ColdGolf

Would a challenge "Invent a programming language that doesn't fit the criteria" work? /s

El'endia Starman

@ColdGolf VTC as too broad. (Yes, I saw the "/s".)

ColdGolf

@El'endiaStarman Clearly you saw it and ignored it. /s

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis I completely disagree. If I were to post one answer and one challenge, I can almost guarantee I'd get more rep from the challenge.

Not just more votes, but more rep

Downgoat

^^

quartata

1:27 AM

No.

ColdGolf

@DJMcMayhem Agreed. Anecdotally, my letter A challenge keeps giving me rep almost each day.

Dennis

OK, but you already have experience in writing challenges. For a newcomer, answers are easier.

quartata

Over time, sure

Questions get more residual rep

Downgoat

@Dennis my first challenge got 30+ votes :/

quartata

But answers can get a lot of rep very quickly

Downgoat

1:28 AM

if you bother to read the basic rules of your site its way easier to write questions

99% of newcomers dont

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis oh yeah, true. I'd agree with that also

quartata

Way easier? lol

El'endia Starman

I generally get more rep from my challenges too. My answers hardly ever get more than a few upvotes. I guess that's what I get for using a semi-golfing language...

ColdGolf

@El'endiaStarman Next time, make a page on esolangs.org for a new language, and post a 0 byte solution.

Dennis

The hard part is anticipating what the 0 byte program should do...

El'endia Starman

1:30 AM

That's no fun, though.

ColdGolf

@El'endiaStarman Very fun.

El'endia Starman

Also, languages must be older than challenges...

DJMcMayhem

@ColdGolf I hate those answers.

They're so boring

ColdGolf

@DJMcMayhem No, but it's 0 bytes in eswe35ro!!! it even has a page on esolang!! It's true!!

Downgoat

@ColdGolf shorter =\= votes

well it does but not in the case where you're making a language just for challenge

Conor O'Brien

1:31 AM

@ColdGolf you're late to the party. code trolling is unfashionable.

ColdGolf

@ConorO'Brien code-trolling is different from code trolling.

Downgoat

wat how

ColdGolf

@Downgoat As in, code trolling questions are different from code trolling answers.

Downgoat

sure technically they are but both will happily recieve a downvote from me (and eleven by mod)

Dennis

Not really. Both will get deleted.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

1:33 AM

@ColdGolf no they aren't

ColdGolf

@Dennis You don't like fun answers? What if a question explicitly allows them?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

both get downvotes and are just pissing people off

@ColdGolf how are they fun

Downgoat

@ColdGolf i do not understand your defnition of fun

Dennis

@ColdGolf It will get closed as too broad.

Conor O'Brien

@ColdGolf I'm going to say this outright, conversing with you is a pain and a labour. Your degree of preciseness is unprecedented, obnoxious, and absurd. I'm very much happy to have new people join this community, but not if they are a detriment to it.

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DJMcMayhem

1:34 AM

^^

ColdGolf

@ConorO'Brien I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

Geobits

@ConorO'Brien It's easier to just stop.

El'endia Starman

@ColdGolf No, you'd both be right. :P

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Conor O'Brien

@Geobits oh, yeah, I forgot about the mute feature

Downgoat

^^^

ColdGolf

1:35 AM

@El'endiaStarman I'm too lazy to check. :D

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien idk, I'm still not sure how I feel about the mute button. I've only use it once or twice, and each time I feel like I have no idea what's going on because people are replying

Conor O'Brien

@DJMcMayhem I feel ya. I only mute people for a day or two so I can relax :P

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem i dont have any idea whats going on most of the time even without mute button :P

Geobits

I didn't mean specifically mute, though that's an option. Manual ignore works also, but you have to have some level of self control.

ColdGolf

@DJMcMayhem If you mute others, then maybe you should talk less.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:37 AM

How does mute work?

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat fmcwall :P

Geobits

@RohanJhunjhunwala You just no longer see any of the user's chat messages.

El'endia Starman

@RohanJhunjhunwala You can choose to ignore any specific chat user, with the result that you don't see anything that they say.

Dennis

It's called ignore this user (everywhere).

Geobits

@RohanJhunjhunwala Click on the user's avatar, and it's at the bottom of the popup.

El'endia Starman

1:38 AM

:31870800 Click on the user's name, and it's named that ^^.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

ok, saw it, Thanks @HelpfulPeople

Downgoat

> ~420k people reached

trichoplax

You can also temporarily hide posts, if you don't want to ignore them forever

Downgoat

( •_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Never really noticed that, You learn something new every day...

quartata

1:39 AM

@Downgoat huehuehue

Downgoat

@quartata gaot is vrey funee 420 blaez it, 69696966666 ilumintee confirmed XDXD lmaoooo

DJMcMayhem

feature-request ignore user for n hours

Downgoat

^^ internet in nutshell

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Lol reading the chat history wile I was gone is enlightening

Geobits

@Downgoat 420 you say? No way, check this out: 420 is 140*3, right? 140 chars is a tweet. Tweet starts with T. T(20th letter) equals H(8) plus L(12). HL3 confirmed.

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Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:44 AM

@Geobits 10/10 m8 seems legit

ColdGolf

@Geobits Half Life 1. Half Life 2. 1+2=3, HL3 confirmed!!

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

So if you ignore someone

Can you unignore?

Geobits

Yep. The avatar goes tiny in the user list (upper right), but you can click it and unignore them there.

ColdGolf

Can I do temp ignore?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

huh

cool

quality feature

ColdGolf

1:46 AM

cool= 4 letters. 4=1 =3, HL3 confirmed.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Anyone see a couple goood king of the hill challenges

I really love the good ones that get alot of bots

We need more

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

cough @quartata king of the control point cough

DJMcMayhem

@RohanJhunjhunwala Haha whoops I accidentally blocked you without realizing it.

Downgoat

@Geobits ...

Dennis

@RohanJhunjhunwala I'm going to gzip the store code and input.

quartata

1:48 AM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ sshhhh

Geobits

@Downgoat Confirmed further with a three(coincidence? I think not)-dot reply.

quartata

@Dennis If you're willing to spend some extra compute time zopfli --deflate --i100000 will do a much better job than gzip will

gzip will probably lengthen golfy programs really

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis ok, perhaps a good way to tweak BF could be essentially reducing it to 3 bits per character. (I don;t know if its worth specifically implementing something just for one interpreter)

quartata

That's basically what Sesos is

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Yeah

quartata

1:50 AM

Oh, you mean for compression

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

For permalinks

quartata

Well, considering the repeated plusses and all that I suspect LZMA will do a much better job

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Yeah

oh really?

ok

quartata

Yeah. It's designed for that kind of thing

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Ok, I need to learn more about compression.

Dennis

1:51 AM

With a 4 KiB cluster size, short programs will occupy the same space as their gzipped counterparts. --deflate means you lose integrity checks.

It also saves only 20 bytes or so.

quartata

That's true.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

wait now I'm confused

Does the TIO vps actually store our code?

I always assumed that the URL permalink encoded the source

DJMcMayhem

Not the current one. Iirc v2 will

Dennis

Currently, no. But I'm planning to do that in the future.

DJMcMayhem

Yes, that's correct

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:53 AM

Ok, but TIO with login functionality will alow you to store the source?

Geobits

There'd be a cap on source size though, right? :o

Dennis

You won't have to login to store the code, but some sort of authentication will be required to edit it.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

So, will all the existing permalinks continue to work?

Dennis

@Geobits Yes. Currently trying to decide how big. URLs are very limited, especially in IE.

I'm not going to break existing links.

Geobits

Oh. You're designing with IE in mind. You're nicer than me.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

1:55 AM

Relevant SO
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/417142/what-is-the-maximum-length-of-a-url-in-different-browsers

Conor O'Brien

Geobits = blackhat confirmed :P

Dennis

F... I don't care about IE, but the limits on other browsers are still rather low.

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Geobits

Me? Nah. Garden variety tinkerer that gets paid for it. No black hattery here.

orlp

Pro tip: for optimal golfing conditions use breathing material consisting of 21% O2.

Dennis

There's also the issue with SE posts and their 30k character limit. With base64 encoding, that's 22.5 kB of code and input, not counting the actual answer.

DJMcMayhem

1:58 AM

@Dennis does that mean if I edit an answer of mine, and save it in TIO, I won't have to update the link in my answer?

Dennis

Exactly.

DJMcMayhem

Cool

ColdGolf

@Dennis What if you made it so that, if the server takes too long to produce an output, an in-browser interpreter is used as a last resort?

DJMcMayhem

That means you need to write an in browser interpreter for every single language

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Dennis how will you differentiate the "editable permalinks" (from new logged on accounts) from actually permanent links?

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