The Nineteenth Byte

Upgoat

12:12 AM

Waddaya think of Cheddar's online REPL UI: jsfiddle.net/evg4o59q/11

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat I'm getting no output for anything I type.

Maltysen

@Upgoat the up button doesn't work

Upgoat

yeah me and quill are trying to get the damn cheese ported to browser so it can actually do somethign

@Maltysen ._.

oh

ohhhh

El'endia Starman

@Maltysen I noticed that too. :P

Upgoat

ok wil do

Quill

12:24 AM

I used a runtime eval hack to get the window from node ;-;

Optimizer

what is it ?

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Title TBD - Generate Emoticons :) code-golf kolmogov-complexity Your task is to create a program that generates the most emoticons using the least amount of code. Rules The only valid emoticons are listed on Wikipedia, under the heading Western/horizontal emoticons: List of emoticons page (v...

Eric Tressler

@HelkaHomba hi

Cyoce

I have no words left to describe my pain...

These kids...

Optimizer

what that indentation and brackets, he should be sent back to kinder garden

Eric Tressler

12:33 AM

Is that supposed to be "invisible" or "invincible"

Cyoce

I think invincible

Eric Tressler

I didn't actually know the "forever" keyword existed, and I use java a lot

so, at least I learned something

Leaky Nun

It obviously doesn't exist

keywords are highlighted in magenta and variables are highlighted in italic blue

GeeK

Hi all, I have a small problem, I was trying to root my nexus 5 device running latest marshmallow and I forgot to take backup. I've tried to recover data but failed badly, any ideas how this can be done?

Eric Tressler

oh. :(

Cyoce

12:38 AM

The creators of the program aliased forever to true to make it "easier for kids to understand"

quartata

Android Enthusiasts

Welcome to the main chat room for android.stackexchange.com! H...

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Eric Tressler

Do you teach high school?

GeeK

@quartata so, you don't answer these types of questions here?

El'endia Starman

@GeeK More like you're more likely to get an answer there than here.

quartata

No, sorry. This is the discussion room for Code Golf SE, a site for programming challenges

You're far more likely to get a good answer in the Android room

GeeK

12:41 AM

thank you

Cyoce

This summer camp I'm working at is painful to the programmer inside me. It hurts to watch them do this

Also I have to use Java

Eric Tressler

I've been using Java for over a year now at my job, but I can't say I'm an enthusiast.

at least in a summer camp, I assume the kids are interested in programming

Bald Bantha

what camp?

...

maybe someone will notice me if I make a brexit joke...

I assume the majority of this chat is against brexit, so I won't bother asking

Eric Tressler

1:00 AM

i noticed you, but i don't know what camp

Bald Bantha

Oh NVM i thought you were at the camp...

Helka Homba

1:31 AM

Mini-challenge: List some real but uncommon English words. i.e. show off your vocabulary!

Eric Tressler

bantam

Helka Homba

Here's some: churl, iamb, jabot, malaprop, teetotalism

Eric Tressler

what are they for

Helka Homba

Nothing. Just vocab building for fun :P

Upgoat

Cheddar Online REPL!

Eric Tressler

1:37 AM

I have written a javascript word game, if you're interested in that. It's "finished", but I will probably revise it in a month before I make it public

Quill

Upgoat

@Quill ono

Sp3000

@HelkaHomba Of those I can only say I know iamb (all that Shakespeare you do in high school) and I'm guessing malaprop is something to do with malapropism?

Quill

@HelkaHomba European Union..... you did say English

Helka Homba

@Quill Hm? I wouldn't say "European Union" is uncommon

or is that a joke that it will become uncommon?

Quill

1:50 AM

6 hours ago, by Doorknob

"The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it"

Helka Homba

> You've read your limit of free articles for this month.

Thanks Washington Post :/

Upgoat

@Quill fixed

Quill

it's still double printing btw

Upgoat

no one is implicit output other is result of print

Quill

the link in help in borked btw: cheddar.vihan.org/gs.html

Upgoat

1:53 AM

dammit

I changed it just now >_>

PhiNotPi

WOO BREXIT!!!

get hyped!

Upgoat

okay implicit output should now be highlighted green

@PhiNotPi ಠ__________________ಠ

i hope you are trolling

PhiNotPi

@Upgoat It was a really dumb move and I hope they regret it.

Quill

I didn't know magenta was green

Upgoat

it was building >_>

clear your cache and try now

Also try like: Math.fib

Quill

1:57 AM

Upgoat

;_;

Quill

you need shift enter for multiple line blocks

Upgoat

yeah I was planning on that soon

@Quill done

Helka Homba

@Upgoat I still say the "intro" to cheddar.vihan.org is painfully slow (so, too the scroll down animation). I'd also prefer a front page with numerous informative links, not a few vague ones. (e.g. Ruby has a nice, informative, non-flashy main page.)

PhiNotPi

I've probably missed the big "UK citizens/residents what do you think" discussion.

Maltysen

2:00 AM

@Upgoat up-arrow/down-arrow takes two presses to work for me

Upgoat

@HelkaHomba but.. but.. prettiness :P (on a more serious note, yeah I'll try but idk exactly how to speed it up). I'll add more links up top soon

quartata

@Upgoat By the way, do classes actually work in Cheddar?

Upgoat

@Maltysen wat really fixing...

@quartata yes

Maltysen

@Upgoat its also super buggy in other ways

Upgoat

(internal classes at least)

quartata

2:01 AM

I meant the class syntax

Upgoat

@Maltysen idk. If you can make it better just ojin the C9

quartata

i.e what's featured on the front page

Quill

@quartata nope

Maltysen

@Upgoat what c9?

Upgoat

@quartata parsing works but it isn't passed to the interpreter atm

Sp3000

2:02 AM

cheddar> Math.fib(10000)
 too much recursion

:(

Quill

also there isn't any implicit output in Math.fib calls @Upgoat

also obj. tries to parse as a number

Upgoat

@Quill ?

Maltysen

@Upgoat print is returning the value that you pass in

Upgoat

yeah, that's supposed to happen

e.g. (print 2) + 1

@Quill wait wat

Quill

@Upgoat it doesn't happen for math.fib calls

Helka Homba

2:03 AM

@Upgoat Frankly I dislike the whole-page-scroll-down design idea. It's like you're trying to feed viewers the content piecemeal, not trusting that they can handle it all at once. It's pretty but kinda disorienting since not many sites are like that. But these are just my opinions so have a 🍮

Upgoat

@everyone please report all cheddar bugs here: github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/issues/new

Maltysen

@Upgoat it shouldn't: print print "hello"

Upgoat

@Maltysen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ with great power comes great responsibility

Quill

cheddar> obj.
 NaN

Maltysen

or var x=print "hello"

Upgoat

2:04 AM

@Quill shit

@Maltysen Yeah, I like that. It's better for golfing that way

Maltysen

@Upgoat but that's not powerful, that's just stupid. it should return null. there is no reason not to

Upgoat

though then again cheddar is by no means a golfing language

Maltysen

@Upgoat ._.

Upgoat

@Maltysen ಠ_ಠ

Maltysen

@Upgoat is print a statement?

Upgoat

2:06 AM

print is an operator. I chose to not make it a statement because idk I thought it would be better. I'll change it in next release

Maltysen

@Upgoat oh, its a unary operator?

Sp3000

cheddar> var x = 2
cheddar> x x
 2

I'm confused how this is meant to work

Upgoat

@Maltysen fixed

@Sp3000 the parser is not anchored so it'll parse where it find a match. I have a fix already for that but haven't committed (it'll come in v0.3). It only really parsed the first x

Helka Homba

@Maltysen I think print returning the value passed (perhaps as a string?) is very reasonable (even if unorthodox). If print must return something that seems to make more sense than returning null

Sp3000

cheddar> Math.123
 0.123

^^ then how does that one work?

Maltysen

2:08 AM

@Upgoat if I do too many down-arrows, it gives me "undefined"

Upgoat

@Maltysen :/

@Sp3000 see above it'll only parse the .123 part

Maltysen

@Upgoat is the number system js's?

Sp3000

It doesn't parse Math as a thing?

Upgoat

yeah, LegionMammal978 made a rational class which will be a replacement along side a arbitrary-prescision class I'll be putting in soon

@Sp3000 no not really

Helka Homba

@Upgoat A print function and statement would be nice. I always wish python 3 had that. Maybe say for one or the other

Sp3000

2:10 AM

What would having a statement and function help with?

Upgoat

@HelkaHomba print statement will be IO.printf (which will also do formatting)

Maltysen

@Upgoat wait why would that be a statement? do you mean function?

Helka Homba

@Sp3000 Me forgetting parentheses in print calls in Python 3 >_>

quartata

@Upgoat You should have just plain IO.print also for security reasons

Maltysen

@Upgoat also, printf traditionally doesn't add a newline at the end, which would be weird having it as the default

quartata

2:12 AM

Uncontrolled format string

Uncontrolled format string is a type of software vulnerability discovered around 1989 that can be used in security exploits. Previously thought harmless, format string exploits can be used to crash a program or to execute harmful code. The problem stems from the use of unchecked user input as the format string parameter in certain C functions that perform formatting, such as printf(). A malicious user may use the %s and %x format tokens, among others, to print data from the call stack or possibly other locations in memory. One may also write arbitrary data to arbitrary locations using the %n format...

Sp3000

@HelkaHomba ... having two options is just confusing (and prone to introducing inconsistencies) :P

Helka Homba

@Sp3000 the statement keyword could be state and it might be a little less confusing :p

Sp3000

... :/

quartata

@Upgoat see above wikipedia article

Helka Homba

state 'Hello, World!'

Maltysen

2:13 AM

@Upgoat i can't define a function, "Attempted to access undefined variable func"

quartata

don't ever use printf with strings you got from the user

unless you're using %s

Sp3000

Does JS even have format string vulns? I can't imagine it'd have, say, %n

Maltysen

@Upgoat undefined variable nil

Upgoat

@Sp3000 js has formatted strings

Sp3000

Yeah, but I mean does an uncontrolled format string mess up the stack in the same way it would in C? I'm curious about that

Upgoat

2:17 AM

@Maltysen but there will also be the print statement

Maltysen

oh, k

Upgoat

@Sp3000 nope. JS formatting is only a little part of printf

Maltysen

2:31 AM

@Upgoat chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30610363#30610363

Upgoat

Use the constructor

Sp3000

cheddar> 1 == 1 == 1
 false

How to confuse the heck out of Python programmers

Quill

cheddar> 1 == (1 == 1) == 1


 `==` has no behavior for types `Number` and `Boolean`

@Upgoat, can you avoid printing empty lines pretty pls

I think we've overloaded Upgoat

Maltysen

@Sp3000 but, wait what, True==1 gives false?

@Upgoat fixit ^

Helka Homba

2:46 AM

Upgoat == -Downgoat gives false!

Sp3000

cheddar> 1 == true
 `==` has no behavior for types `Number` and `Boolean`
cheddar> true == 1
 false

@Maltysen It's actually more fun than that

Maltysen

roflmao

i guess he forgot to define them backwards

@Upgoat are you defining them with dispatch, or just having the interpreter do it?

El'endia Starman

I thought this was a neat TED Talk about desire paths.

Maltysen

@Sp3000 challenge idea: resolve a comparison chain (no eval allowed if you're python)

1<3<4 --> true

1==2<3 --> false

Doorknob

wow

there are so many people with their private keys on Github

Upgoat

2:50 AM

@Maltysen wat?

@Doorknob I don't think you should post that here then....

Maltysen

@Upgoat before fixing that, go fix chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30610589#30610589

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob ....welp.

Upgoat

@Sp3000 y u break == ;_;

Sp3000

@Maltysen You'd have to define how the chain works

cheddar> 1 > 2 == 3 > 4
 true

Maltysen

4 mins ago, by Maltysen

@Upgoat are you defining them with dispatch, or just having the interpreter do it?

Sp3000

2:52 AM

(I thought it'd be left associative, but does > bind stronger than ==?)

Upgoat

Maltysen

@Upgoat are you dispatching the operator to the int class when you have, say 1==true or does the interpreter just eval that

Upgoat

@Sp3000 are you talking about the precedence?

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat Replace Doge with yourself.

Upgoat

@Maltysen idk who handles that. I'll have to check

Maltysen

2:53 AM

@Upgoat first of all, is int a class?

Upgoat

yeah, of course

Maltysen

oh it is

@Upgoat well, wherever its defined, you forgot to define like half of them

Helka Homba

Updoge

Upgoat

@Maltysen ?

Maltysen

@Upgoat "as"==1 -> false, 1=="as" no behavior defined

Upgoat

2:55 AM

Also the interpreter runs the master branch ATM IIRC, so any changes won't reflect until the v0.3 release

Sp3000

@Upgoat Yeah - do <, > and == have different precedence?

Upgoat

@Sp3000 uh lemme check

@Maltysen I must of overridden == on number then

Maltysen

@Upgoat arrays don't work

Upgoat

17 mins ago, by Quill

I think we've overloaded Upgoat

^

please report all issues to Github before I run out of RAM: github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/issues

Sp3000

I could throw a bunch more in, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that you haven't actually implemented most of the docs yet :P

Quill

2:58 AM

@Upgoat, how do I babel?

Helka Homba

Ram?

Upgoat

@Quill `wait wat

Quill

ComputerName:Folder Quill$ babel --plugins transform-async-to-generator src/index.es6
SyntaxError: src/index.es6: Unexpected token (27:19)
  25 | });
  26 | client.quit();
> 27 | var result = await fetchOnce({
     |                    ^
  28 |     url: 'https://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/sites',
  29 |     method: 'GET'
  30 | });

Upgoat

@HelkaHomba yes

@Quill add --presets es2015

and make sure to install it too

npm install --save-dev babel-preset-es2015

Quill

I have that

Upgoat

3:00 AM

@Quill oh wait, is your await in a async function?

blog.vihan.org/index.php/2016/05/16/synchronously-async-ing

okay, so what bugs am i supposed to fix

Sp3000

I've put the == on Github, but the rest will have to wait until you anchor your parser

I honestly don't know which things are intended to be working and which aren't though

mınxomaτ

> series of economic shocks that analysts say will only worsen before they improve

No shit, :D

Breaking News: Experts find people are generally asleep before they wake up.

quartata

@Upgoat You should get cracking on functions so I can do a proper benchmarking vs Pytek ;)

Upgoat

3:16 AM

@quartata do you mean internal functions or function syntax? Functions and classes are alike, they both work and you can use them, you just can't declare them in Cheddar.

quartata

well there isn't much point if you cannot declare them :P

Upgoat

:S yeah. Will be available by v0.4 though

quartata

I do hope you get the class syntax because I like the way it looks

Maltysen

@Upgoat the github issues thing is too much overhead for the many, many bugs i want to report, can you make like a google forms or something?

Sp3000

No Github account?

quartata

3:27 AM

He has one. I think he means he has so many he can't bothered to click new issue for each one and wait while Github churns away

Maltysen

@quartata plus, he has a bunch of requirements set up: github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/issues/new

the issues i'm reporting can easily be reported in a sentence

Sp3000

If it's that easy to describe you could just drop the irrelevant template parts :P

Upgoat

3:45 AM

@Maltysen >_> you only need to enter two things idk how much less I can out without an empty form and and s submit button

Maltysen

@Upgoat fine

Sp3000

Are Booleans intended to autocast in Cheddar?

(Dunno how strict your typing is)

Maltysen

just basing my guess off of js, since this is written in js

Sp3000

Fair enough :P

Upgoat

@Sp3000 no

Maltysen

3:51 AM

@Upgoat oh, you can close that one, then

Upgoat

already done :P

Sp3000

Lemme get this clear: what in the docs is unimplemented?

Upgoat

only things that are unimplemented is: whiles, function creation, and class creation

Maltysen

@Upgoat and arrays

Sp3000

Might have to add more when I get home then

Upgoat

3:55 AM

@Maltysen arrays work they are just borked

Sp3000

From memory, binary or something literals didn't work

Oh, and comments

Upgoat

Jun 15 at 20:10, by Upgoat

;_; @MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ halp, comment in cheddar is borked D: D: D: D: D: ;_;_;_; ;;;;{:-;_::-:_:()**&#R@$*(%&

idk what happens the end, i was having like a mental breakdown

nvm mental breakdown does not mean what I thought it means

@Quill did you get your babel working?

Quill

@Upgoat yeah

I'll share the repo later with you if you like, and you can see my cool new project :D

Until then, shh, secretz

Upgoat

@Quill :D

@Quill okay

Sp3000

Speaking of faulty operators, << and >>

Upgoat

4:05 AM

oh god so many bugs why

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ @DrGreenEggsandIronMan @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ಠ_ಠ why did you not find all these bugs

Sp3000

(fyi I'm actually out atm and this is all bugs from an hour or two ago)

I'll have to check, but I think I also had stuff like 1_ needs a better error message

Upgoat

They do all have nice fancy error messages, just not in the browser REPL >_>

Maltysen

@Upgoat what does @ do?

Upgoat

@Maltysen @" you mean?

Maltysen

no @

like 3@5

Upgoat

4:11 AM

probably something and I forgot >_>

Maltysen

gives 5

Upgoat

nothing

that's the anchoring bug

Sp3000

Yeah, anchoring bug is fun :P )()

Can't upload the fix yet or something?

Maltysen

@Upgoat is this also the same bug?: 4234[123] gives 123

Upgoat

yeah

Helka Homba

4:16 AM

Whats a word for a website with click-baity, flashy practices? i.e. "x.com puts ___ far above usability and many users are annoyed"

Upgoat

@HelkaHomba annoying af

Maltysen

@HelkaHomba ad revenues?

Sp3000

I'd go with ad revenue if that was the intended meaning, yeah

Helka Homba

@Maltysen it's not necessary about ads, i.e. many sites autoplay their own video content with sound

Quill

@HelkaHomba commercialism

Upgoat

4:19 AM

@HelkaHomba advertising?

maybe post on ELU

Sp3000

self-promotion?

Helka Homba

^ getting closer

Sp3000

"self-promotion and advertising" to cover both bases I guess

Upgoat

"themselves"

> x.com puts themselves far above usability and many users annoyed

Helka Homba

I guess I'm looking for a synonym to "captivate by force"

Sp3000

4:21 AM

Intrusiveness?

Hmm not quite

Helka Homba

no, that's good :)

El'endia Starman

"Attention-grabbing" is another possibility.

Yeah, I think intrusiveness fits pretty well.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Upgoat because I haven't cheddared in several days.

Upgoat

;_;

y u haet ches

Sp3000

@Helka Speaking of words, re:weird vocab from earlier... not that uncommon a word but I just remembered one of my favourites: schadenfreude

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

4:26 AM

I just legit verbed a noun.

Upgoat

hav u ben green egging instead ;_;

Helka Homba

@Sp3000 Let's continue the uncommon alphabet! T for tort

U for unprepossessing

V for veld

Sp3000

(Thinking)

Helka Homba

W for wiles

Sp3000

4:41 AM

X is for... xi?

Upgoat

RIP everyone watching Cheddar

Upgoat

4:53 AM

@Quill halp chedr tests are borked

Helka Homba

Y for yeoman

Quill

@Upgoat what'd you do?

Upgoat

i didnt touch anything i promise

ide.c9.io/vihanb/cheddar

it fails when I run the tests but when I manually try it it works fine

Eric Tressler

@HelkaHomba "Captivate by force" could be "bewitch" or "entrance"

I just saw your message above that giving context, so NM

Quill

5:10 AM

116 emails from the cheddar repo.....

Upgoat

@Quill >_> sorry

;_; @mocha y u no werk

Quill

it aint mocha

anyway, you can use new lines in es6 templating strings

Upgoat

?

Quill

`var a = 1; print a + 1`

can have newlines inside the string:

`var a = 1;
print a + 1`

Upgoat

but it still odesn't werk ;_;

Quill

5:14 AM

I know, somethin is borked

but it isn't mocha, mocha just calls your cheddar code

Upgoat

nothing is being printed apparently

;______; its just bug after bug and i still have like 15 more bugs to fix ;____;

brb rage quitting

34 mins ago, by Upgoat

RIP everyone watching Cheddar

why can't this shit just work the first time ;_;

oh god i have no life

Sp3000

@Upgoat btw was string formatting "#{2+2}" meant to work?

Upgoat

5:31 AM

no

Street Fighter: Goat & Sheep Edition (one more time) - Marca Blanca

►

best video on youtube 12/10

Maltysen

@Upgoat are you slacking? I just gave you four new issues, get back to work. ;P

Upgoat

i rage quitted

Maltysen

hahaha

nice

Upgoat

Bálint

5:54 AM

@Upgoat Look, another goat! Because we didn't see enough.

Upgoat

@Bálint I'm sorry, was there something else you wanted to see?

Bálint

@Upgoat Not really, I just see the signal:noise ratio dropping down to the ground

Upgoat

@Bálint well chat is dead ATM so I can shitpost a couple goats

Bálint

@Upgoat Then go ahead

Upgoat

k

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

6:42 AM

Hello

mınxomaτ

SVG filters for HTML buttons

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

7:12 AM

@Upgoat I love your Cheddar Gource.

orlp

7:56 AM

Fatalize

9:11 AM

@LeakyNun Brachylog cheatsheet

2

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize Merveilleux.

@Fatalize Why is $ both e and 1000?

Fatalize

Because I failed

wait a sec

@LeakyNun Fixed

Leaky Nun

Nice.

@Fatalize How do I check if a number is prime?

Fatalize

@LeakyNun $pl1 is the shortest

Leaky Nun

ok, thanks

Fatalize

9:15 AM

@LeakyNun 2;1<I<?'(:I%0) is the shortest I have with no built-in

Leaky Nun

@Fatalize Voudrais-tu le lier dans cette page?

Fatalize

@LeakyNun Kind of

Can't display PDFs, too lazy to export to jpg

Leaky Nun

Merveilleux.

user215373

hi

Leaky Nun

@Dr.ZOMBOOS Welcome.

You haven't even joined ppcg.SE

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

9:24 AM

I'm on the beach! :D

Fatalize

and you go to PPCG... :/

sad what this chat does to people

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

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