The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

4:01 PM

hmmm, my state is 4.5 hours wide, but more like 7 hours tall

(Utah)

zyabin101

Well, the last round decides the destiny of the Random Walker.

Lembik

@Sp3000 oh right.. sorry the idea is that you preprocess the dictionary to make the look ups fast

@Sp3000 imagine one dictionary and lots of queries

Sp3000

Oh, so the query is the subset, fixed at 9?

Lembik

you can of course just check every word in the dictionary if you don't mind taking that much time

@Sp3000 a query is 9 letters

zyabin101

Aaaaand... it's decided. The Random Walker answer is deleted.

Sp3000

4:03 PM

Well I guess the second question is - how much memory :P

Lembik

@Sp3000 not much more than the dictionary ;)

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman Well I'm in Florida, so it can go either way. More than three across at the northern end, and definitely more than three north-south.

Lembik

have you had a "countdown numbers game solver" challenge?

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Likewise for California (which is not one of the states I meant earlier).

Sp3000

@Lembik Definitely a yes

Lembik

4:08 PM

ah ok

shame :)

orlp

@MartinBüttner 351534, 422552, 544311, 241233, 132145

Nathan Merrill

hmmm, this is bizarre. When I look up delegate count for republican, it shows 996, 565, 153 for the top 3 candidates, with 571 still available. If you add all of them up, you get 2285, so the majority should be 1143.

but the delegate count is 1237

Martin Büttner

@orlp thanks, I'll update that bullet point later.

orlp

@MartinBüttner there are many, many like these btw

TimmyD

@NathanMerrill Are you counting people that were in the running but have since paused their campaign?

Nathan Merrill

4:13 PM

maybe not? are there currently candidates like that?

(that also have delegates)?

TimmyD

Sure. Kasich for one.

El'endia Starman

A bunch of candidates have dropped out, and some of them definitely got a few delegates (Carson, Rubio, etc).

Kasich is still in the running, and has 153.

Nathan Merrill

yeah, it looks like Rubio still has delegates

this page doesn't show any for carson:

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/…

El'endia Starman

IIRC, I heard someone say that if no GOP candidate gets the majority, then the GOP leadership/Congress/something picks the candidate.

Nathan Merrill

they actually use STV

so there will always be a majority

El'endia Starman

4:17 PM

Huh, interesting.

Nathan Merrill

which is interesting this race, because there's a big divide between trump haters and lovers

El'endia Starman

But that doesn't mesh with "1,237 needed for nomination".

Nathan Merrill

what do you mean?

TimmyD

That's for the initial round of the convention voting.

In the GOP convention, the delegates are mandated to vote according to their individual state primaries, but only for the first round. After that, they can vote for whomever.

The national GOP convention.

That's where the 1237 number comes in -- if you've reached 1237 delegate votes after all the primaries, then you'll win the first round of the national convention voting.

orlp

(10, 10, 1, 7, 23, 14, 13, 21, 3, 6, 5, 22, 17, 16, 12, 15, 8, 4, 9, 2, 19, 11, 18, 24, 20)
(4, 4, 18, 7, 20, 11, 12, 21, 13, 15, 2, 14, 23, 16, 5, 19, 10, 6, 3, 8, 17, 9, 1, 22, 24)
(3, 3, 9, 24, 13, 2, 8, 10, 11, 1, 23, 4, 14, 20, 6, 22, 15, 17, 19, 5, 12, 16, 18, 21, 7)
(18, 18, 12, 5, 23, 1, 3, 24, 6, 8, 7, 11, 17, 4, 2, 20, 13, 14, 22, 21, 16, 15, 9, 10, 19)
(2, 2, 7, 18, 9, 11, 24, 19, 16, 17, 21, 20, 12, 4, 22, 1, 10, 3, 15, 23, 13, 8, 14, 5, 6)
(21, 21, 11, 2, 17, 10, 24, 5, 13, 9, 23, 8, 16, 14, 15, 6, 7, 1, 12, 3, 19, 22, 4, 20, 18)

@MartinBüttner ^

El'endia Starman

4:21 PM

@TimmyD So what happens when no candidate reaches that magic 1237 number?

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman This may be conflating the conventions with the actual Presidential election. The Constitution specifies that if no candidate gets a majority of the electoral college vote (majority, not plurality), then Congress gets to decide by vote.

New Main Posts

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Q: Briefest code to find vowels and print consonants

Code Goal: Read a string from user, print number of each vowel, then all remaining chars in a line. import java.util.Scanner; public class VowelCounter { public static void main(String args[]) { String input; Scanner scan = new Scanner(System.in); System.out.print("Enter String:...

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman They keep voting and horse-trading until someone does.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman after the initial round of revoting happens, then standard STV happens. The person with the lowest amount of votes get to revote

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD That sounds like what my friend was talking about.

@NathanMerrill Source?

TimmyD

4:24 PM

> The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

archives.gov/exhibits/charters/…

El'endia Starman

Ooooh, okay, so if no Presidential candidate gets the majority, then Congress votes on the top three.

zyabin101

I am never able to upload non-code files into Gist, and I am never able to upload ZIP files onto Google Drive.

Is there a way to ever persistently upload ZIP files into the Internet?

Geobits

@zyabin101 I have quite a few zip files on my Drive...

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Yep. One vote per state.

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD I wonder what happens if that also fails to reach a majority.

zyabin101

4:27 PM

@Geobits Ikr. But I am never able to upload ZIP files onto Google Drive.

Lembik

is the Indiana primary today?

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman That's Amendment XX, Section 3

Geobits

@zyabin101 Weird. I tested it just now, and it uploaded mine just fine.

zyabin101

I tested it twice, and both files never appeared in my Drive.

TimmyD

> If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, [...] the Congress may by law provide [...] declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

orlp

4:30 PM

@MartinBüttner there are solutions for n = 5

TimmyD

Basically, they get to just randomly choose someone. Literally anyone who otherwise qualifies (age, natural citizen, etc.).

orlp

@Sp3000 maybe your verifier has a bug?

PhiNotPi

I'm about to take the world's easiest exam (for my computer science class). Open notes, open internet, I have a >100% in the class so far and this exam is worth 10% of my final grade.

Geobits

Good.. uh... luck? :P

orlp

@PhiNotPi a proper exam is hard even with open internet :)

Nathan Merrill

4:32 PM

@orlp that one doesn't work. It doesn't contain 1,4 and it does contain 1,5 twice

Lembik

@PhiNotPi those exams can be the hardest!

as they can't ask you anything you can look up

orlp

@NathanMerrill hrm, guess I'm the one with a bug

zyabin101

Okay, I declare! I am never able to upload ANY ZIP FILE on that Internet!

Geobits

That sounds more like an ISP/network issue.

zyabin101

My ISP/network is sane.

Geobits

4:35 PM

So do what a sane person would do. Change the extension before you upload it ;)

TimmyD

.zzz

orlp

@NathanMerrill found the bug

zyabin101

Okai, a single Gist is massive, Google Drive disagrees with me, 4shared requires filling a big form for registration, so uploading file on GitHub.

Nathan Merrill

moneys or monies?

zyabin101

@NathanMerrill money

Or rather, a Straw Poll!

Nathan Merrill

4:49 PM

if you several distinct groups of money, its moneys

(or monies)

zyabin101

Wait, I kinda bailed on straw polls.

Nathan Merrill

I can't tell which is worse

El'endia Starman

I've definitely seen "monies", but not "moneys".

Geobits

^

ArtOfCode

all of the moneys

trichoplax

4:53 PM

monies in the US, either in the UK

Geobits

Imagine that, the UK is more permissive about using weird spellings :P

zyabin101

Moneys or Monies?

trichoplax

:P

Also monkies and donkies

zyabin101

The inaugural vote is for both. :P

trichoplax

and carkies

Geobits

4:55 PM

@trichoplax :/

zyabin101

@trichoplax and geobits?

Geobits

Geobits is singular. You must mean Geobitses.

zyabin101

Geobits is plural. Geobit is singular. :P

trichoplax

> They stole it from us. Sneaky little Geobitses.

quartata

@ArtOfCode What did I break on QPixel lol

ArtOfCode

4:58 PM

shruggity shrug

quartata

I saw the issue on GitHub about the id thing

ArtOfCode

What's not working?

Oh, that one.

I blame deleted posts.

quartata

I assumed that was me although I don't think I touched that code

@ArtOfCode kek

Are we using Unicorn?

Cyoce

Ok what the fuck, ruby

irb(main):003:0> exit
NameError: undefined local variable or method `ei' for main:Object
	from (irb):3
	from /usr/bin/irb:12:in `<main>'

quartata

Did you print something without a newline?

orlp

5:02 PM

@MartinBüttner the problem is probably more elegantly stated as an n by n square, where the first and last columns must be a permutation, and all possible combinations without replacement must exist as pairs

ArtOfCode

@quartata nope

WEBrick is the server

quartata

@ArtOfCode OK, fair enough. I think (?) that's thread safe

at least thread safe enough for what I'm doing

ArtOfCode

@quartata Not a clue. It's the Rails default, so... probably.

quartata

Do kernels other than Linux support clone(?

just curious

ArtOfCode

shrug now you're asking about linux, i know nothing

Thought: If you're spawning threads, they probably spawn outside the context of the web server, and potentially outside the context of the app and ActiveRecord. Just check that you still have access to everything you need in threads.

zyabin101

5:04 PM

@ArtOfCode How's QPixel going?

I see you implemented mod and admin stars.

Why not diamonds? :3

ArtOfCode

@zyabin101 shrug

Geobits

@zyabin101 No, both Geobit and Geobits are singular, and separate words. You can say Geobits as plural for Geobit, but not plural for Geobits ;)

quartata

@zyabin101 It's configurable with an admin setting

ArtOfCode

could do that just as easy, it's in site settings now

quartata

I didn't want to hardcode it

@ArtOfCode By the way, add a space before whatever character you do

ArtOfCode

5:05 PM

Yeah, sense makes

quartata

Gonna be trying ircd-hybrid locally to see if it has SVSNICK

zyabin101

@Geobits wai ;_;

ArtOfCode

@quartata Cool. I've got another project to do something to, so I may not be fixing bugs today, but I'm around on #qpixel if you need a hand

zyabin101

@ArtOfCode You have an IRC channel? o_O

ArtOfCode

@zyabin101 aye, set it up yesterday :P

zyabin101

5:15 PM

Count me OUT! :P

ArtOfCode

heh

IRC ain't for everyone

zyabin101

I'd try Slack, if that helps.

But note that it is only for collaborators.

And for me, which is strange.

ArtOfCode

@zyabin101 shrug I'm not fussed, it's basically only there so we can talk dev without screwing this room too much, until it gets fully integrated as site chat anyway

zyabin101

So, should I try Slack?

ArtOfCode

For what?

I haven't set Slack up for QPixel or anything

zyabin101

5:21 PM

@ArtOfCode I'll try to set it up for you. :)

Geobits

>_>

Rainbolt

I use Slack at work and to talk to my guild members outside of game. It's nice.

zyabin101

@Geobits <_<

Rainbolt

We have bots hooked up to Slack so we see work item and build notifications from TFS

quartata

@zyabin101 We want to use IRC because it's easy to integrate

zyabin101

5:22 PM

Let's try again.

quartata

I don't think we can really integrate Slack

zyabin101

>_>

quartata

?

zyabin101

@quartata wai ;_;

Also, will you forgive me? I added equality to UGL.

@quartata Eye Macarena.

>_>

quartata

@zyabin101 Slack isn't really built for what I want to do. I wanted to make it so that you could login with QPixel accounts

With IRC all I have to do is build a service bot that handles the authentication

With Slack I'd basically be rewriting it

I assume Slack is closed source so definitely couldn't do that

zyabin101

5:25 PM

Okai. Then think I bailed on QPixel ;_;

I just "Forgot" QPixel out of my browser.

Geobits

kbye

zyabin101

@quartata Will you forgive me? I added equality to UGL. (I can't ping you the conventional way.)

ArtOfCode

@zyabin101 Heh. QPixel is still a thing, you don't have to use chat on it.

The website isn't going away

quartata

@zyabin101 What do you mean you can't ping me the conventional way

Martin Büttner

@orlp Hm yeah that did occur to me. I didn't realise until I was almost done with writing up that I only had to consider having the repeated digit at the start

@orlp I'm not seeing 14 in there.

And several others

orlp

5:35 PM

@MartinBüttner correct, I had a bug

same for the big blob I posted earlier

@MartinBüttner I conjecture that if there are an infinite amount of these sets, a proof will be constructive

I suspect it will have the form "given a set with property X, I can generate a set of length n + 1 that also has property X"

quartata

ircd-hybrid doesn't have svsnick without a module

:/

Martin Büttner

@orlp X being some additional constraint?

orlp

yeah

I did some quick experiments that seemed promising but failed

but I think it can be done

zyabin101

@quartata I am ignorant of you, or you of me, and so an easy @mention doesn't work.

Martin Büttner

Oh hey, first results for the KotH are up :)

zyabin101

5:43 PM

Also, I always thought that Slack is a lot easier to integrate than IRC.

Martin Büttner

Wow, the results from the individual matches of the KotH vary quite significantly

ArtOfCode

let me guess: simplebot is failing miserably

Hah, yeah.

quartata

@zyabin101 If I was ignoring you I wouldn't see any of your messages

zyabin101

@Everyone Before I even start setting up Slack for some team, I should know: can I make the #general room read-only? And if so, how?

ArtOfCode

@zyabin101 try checking your ignore list and removing quartata, if they're on it

zyabin101

5:50 PM

@ArtOfCode Removed.

@quartata Will you forgive me?

ArtOfCode

problemo solvedo

quartata

@zyabin101 There's no way I was on it if you could read my messages.

so not sure how that one worked but ok

@ArtOfCode OK, I think I found an IRCd that has what I need

ArtOfCode

@quartata okey doke - you get to configure this one :P

zyabin101

@quartata And it is a lot harder to integrate :P

http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/29417902#29417902

quartata

@zyabin101 Uhh? IRC is about as simple as a chat protocol can get

I don't think it would be possible period for me to use Slack for this without directly modifying it which is a massive pain in the ass for everyone

ArtOfCode

5:55 PM

It does have a real time messaging API, but that's not what we need...

quartata

Oh I'm so fucking stupid

11

svsnick is server-to-server only

Bas

@quartata It's like you inserted a newline between those 2 sentences on purpose :P

zyabin101

Apparently

> The #general channel cannot be archived.

So I ever avoid Slack. Ever.

(Explaining: archiving a channel (room) makes it read-only.)

New Main Posts

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Q: Determine If a Challenge is Worth Answering

I am a very casual code golfer, and don't often see posts until they show up in the "Hot Network Questions" sidebar over on StackOverflow. Usually, I'm late to the game, and since the only language I know is Python, there is little point in me answering as there are already several Python answer...

code-golf

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Q: Rectangle builder greater area

I've been trying to solve this coding challenge from Codility for couple weeks. I just got a maximun of 35% completion according to codility. Can somebody please help? Here is my solution in JavaScript: function trimer(pieces){ pieces.sort(function(a, b){ if(a < b) return -1; if(a > ...

code-challenge

Nathan Merrill

is it possible to traverse every edge of a complete graph without going over a path twice?

Bas

6:02 PM

When @quartata saying "I'm stupid" yields 2 pages of results

Martin Büttner

@NathanMerrill yes for odd n

And also for 2

Nathan Merrill

source?

and is there a term of "use every path exactly once"?

Martin Büttner

You're just looking for an Eulerian path, right?

Nathan Merrill

yep, that's it

Martin Büttner

Yeah that problem has a simple solution

It's possible when all, or all but 2 vertices have even degree

zyabin101

6:05 PM

Well, make codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/79273/… a comment paradise for only-Pythoners?

R. Kap is not an only-Pythoner.

I've got to start learning some other languages. — R. Kap 3 mins ago

4RUITW'd ////o\\\\

At least I started shifting sand on Gitter.

Nathan Merrill

sheesh, apparently counting the number of eulerian paths on a complete graph (not digraph) is a tough problem

there's a paper that estimates it, but AFAIK, there isn't a formula for it

users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/papers/euler.pdf

Martin Büttner

That's interesting :)

orlp

6:21 PM

I want to make a challenge for benedict cumberbatch

where you generate names such as Beetlejuice Cumberbund or Bulbasaur Countryside

Morgan Thrapp

Bambersnatch Cucumber?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

github.com/mathiasbynens/utf8.js/pull/16

ᴏ^ᴏ

TimmyD

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

3

Bas

@TimmyD Thanks for my new username

TimmyD

Engelbert Humperdinck

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:29 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Sorry to hear that :(

Bas

Now all I need is a nice profile pic

muddyfish

Is 'you can understand the code' a valid objective criteria for pop-cons? Challenge in question

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

Right, much better

zyabin101

@BassdropCumberwubwubwub NOOOOO!

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

@zyabin101 ?

zyabin101

6:32 PM

I dislike Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub! yells NOOOOO!

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

@zyabin101 Look on the bright side, now all you need to do is mention me to bypass the minimal message length

TimmyD

@muddyfish That seems inherently subjective :-/

Nathan Merrill

@muddyfish no. The problem with "code clarity" is the same as "funniest code" or "most obfuscated code"

muddyfish

OK. Could you suggest another criteria that I could use?

Nathan Merrill

code-golf

muddyfish

6:36 PM

It was suggested to use pop-con instead

But that was back in September

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Hi @swells!

Nathan Merrill

@muddyfish Downgoat's point is valid, but popularity contest for sake of code-clarity is a bad popcon

TimmyD

Why do you need code-clarity as an explicit measuring device? Users gonna vote how they vote anyway.

muddyfish

Yeah. I can't think of what else to score it by that's objective

Apart from code-golf

Nathan Merrill

@muddyfish he was specifically saying that the users would vote based on similarity of image to output

swells

6:41 PM

hello @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ

zyabin101

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I'm chatting in the AvocadOS Gitter room.

muddyfish

But doesn't that fall for the same problem?

Nathan Merrill

I don't think so. You're using humans to judge a particular aspect, as opposed to "Which one's the coolest"

trichoplax

@muddyfish That suggestion was made due to there being difficulty in narrowing down what counts as correct output. If you have dealt with that difficulty then it doesn't need to be a popularity contest

Nathan Merrill

yeah, I still think it should be code-golf

trichoplax

6:46 PM

Whether a popularity contest is on topic is decided on a case by case basis, based on popularity

Nathan Merrill

what?

popularity contests are on topic based on popularity?

trichoplax

Poor joke...

Nathan Merrill

oh ok. :)

trichoplax

:)

Nathan Merrill

although, I think you do have a point that unpopular, on-topic popcons have a huge chance of getting closed

trichoplax

6:48 PM

I agree golf seems to fit this one best if there isn't a specific need for human judgement (which there doesn't seem to be)

muddyfish

I ve changed it again to code-golf. I might even post it all soon

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill Yes it was a joke with a grain of truth...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I agree too

trichoplax

@muddyfish It might help to have a few test images and their outputs, to exclude any alternative interpretations of what you mean

For example, preserving aspect ratio is not possible in all cases, so a test case where the aspect ratio is altered by rounding up/down would be good. Specify which way must be used in the spec too.

muddyfish

@trichoplax I'll do that when I'm not putting off doing a past paper

trichoplax

6:54 PM

Seems like a great way to put off doing a past paper to me...

muddyfish

Yeah but I should really do it at some point

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Do we have a challenge based on the set theoretic ordering of positive integers?

@muddyfish eyyy so am I

muddyfish

I've already put it off for 3 hours

trichoplax

I get that though - if I'm putting off one important thing, it forces me to put off all unimportant things even if they wouldn't take much time

If you're doing the paper to time then just set an alarm and start. Starting is the hard bit...

muddyfish

I have started it. I'm an hour in but I paused it to eat food

trichoplax

6:57 PM

Ah...

muddyfish

Now I'm running the timer but not doing the test (quickly)

trichoplax

In that case I'll add comments to the sandbox instead so you can pick them up later... :)

muddyfish

Bye!

trichoplax

Go go go!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bai

zyabin101

7:17 PM

> Computers need people

Good job, Gitter. :P

Agawa001

and people need computers

TimmyD

Almost a 50-byte golf ... can't tell if I should be happy that I could trim it down so much, or sad that I posted such ungolfed code in the first place. :-/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:35 PM

I'm being threatened :D

TimmyD

IE6 was great and did all things.

Except that.

And that.

Aaaaand that.

Ahahaha, it most definitely didn't do that.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

ArtOfCode

@TimmyD Oh, whoops, did you say something?

...AJAX, what?

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Which site?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@zyabin101 coderwall.com

ArtOfCode

7:41 PM

Hey @QPaysTaxes, @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ - stage.artofcode.co.uk/questions/67

Rainbolt

No "About" section for QPixel :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ArtOfCode at least you've mostly fixed the time problems

ArtOfCode

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was more notifying you about Solver's account being murdered once again, since he asked :P

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm threatened! :D

TIL

Yup, one boxes don't work for Coderwall.

@Downgoat @MarsUltor and other GitHub users: GitHub import now allows (paid) importing of large files.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ArtOfCode I know :P

zyabin101

7:54 PM

This new ability is powered by Git LFS, so it is paid. And you are required to use Git LFS for importing large files, or else these will be completely omitted from the result repository.

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