The Nineteenth Byte

zyabin101

5:04 PM

@aditsu IIUC?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

makezine.com/2016/04/18/working-lego-particle-accelerator

Martin Büttner

@Agawa001 second graph?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@zyabin101 IIRC with Understand not recall

Agawa001

zyabin101

@Agawa001 What did you do? :3

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

5:05 PM

@MartinBüttner turned it upside down i think

aditsu

Insurrection Inoculates Unaddressed Condom (random backronym)

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

makezine.com/projects/…

Agawa001

comparing to this

zyabin101

FRUITW'd /o\

Martin Büttner

@Agawa001 Basically, I applied oeis.org/A059893 to the input before computing the sequence as usual

so it's a reordering of the terms within each bit-length

aditsu

5:08 PM

@zyabin101 wat

zyabin101

@aditsu Fastest runner up in the West.

aditsu

⊙_ʘ

zyabin101

@aditsu Basically o_O with added pupils.

orlp

G = """
expr = factor ([+-] factor)*
factor = primary ([*/] primary)*
ident = [a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*
number = [0-9]+
primary = "(" expr ")" / ident / number / "-" primary
"""

grammar(G).parse("5+3*5-(6+5)/3")

what should this return?

aditsu

@zyabin101 thanks for explaining

zyabin101

5:11 PM

@orlp First rule is expr, so we follow it.

orlp

pegjs returns this monstrosity:

don't think that's particularly useful

zyabin101

@orlp ⊙_ʘ We should somehow flatten it.

New Main Posts

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Q: How compatible are my strings?

Introduction Consider two strings A and B of the same length L, and an integer K ≥ 0. For the purposes of this challenge, we say that the strings are K-compatible, if there exists a string C of length K such that A is a contiguous substring of the concatenation BCB. Note that A is a substring of...

zyabin101

I, naturally, golfed it:

[[["5"],[]],[["+",[["3"],[["*",["5"]]]]],["-",[["(",[[["6"],[]],[["+",[["5"],[]]]]],")"],[["/",["3"]]]]]]]

We should somehow get this:

["5","+","3","*","5","-","(","6","+","5",")","/","3"]

orlp

@zyabin101 no we shouldn't

that's just splitting the input string up character by character

at that point the parser added no new information

(the point of the parser is to turn the unstructured input in some structure)

zyabin101

5:18 PM

Then idk how we should use the monstrosity

The second best way would be use it as is.

I'm now officially unrelated to that thing. ¯\_(ツ)_//¯

Poor shrug emoticon.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@orlp pedantics :P

Digital Trauma

Javascript experts - is this a proper quine? If I understand it correctly, its merely getting the code for the function d by treating d as a string

Martin Büttner

I think it's a fairly standard quining technique in JavaScript, but I find function-only quines a bit dodgy in general.

Digital Trauma

I don't really see how it is much different than reading source from a file

quartata

Looks like it's using Function.toString() which I think is bad

Martin Büttner

5:29 PM

it's stringifying source code

CJam/GolfScript quines work no different (except they're full programs)

quartata

Right but those are defining a completely separate block and stringifying that

This is stringifying itself essentially

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's a string representation of the function, not the program's source code.

Digital Trauma

so, in psuedo-code, is this a valid proper quine:

quartata

The function is the program here.

Digital Trauma

function myfunc() {
    print(get_source_code_string(myfunc))
}

quartata

5:33 PM

It only gives the function body though

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

quartata

It would be something like function d(){console.log("function d(){"+d+"}")}

Actually..

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's like (sort of) a stack based language wrapping around the line to capture a string.

quartata

I just tested it in chrome and it gives the whole function

Digital Trauma

@quartata yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:34 PM

But for anonymous arrow functions it gives the body

a=x=>a+"" yields x=>a+""

Martin Büttner

just pulling up my proper quine definition (which is admittedly not perfect), if it stringifies the entire function it wouldn't count, if it stringifies only the body it would.

quartata

@MartinBüttner This stringifies the entire function

Digital Trauma

hmm, that seems like a pretty fine line

quartata

Although I don't see why it wouldn't count if it only does the body since it's trivial to just concatenate the rest on

PhiNotPi

enter PhiNotPi

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

5:36 PM

I like the "payload capable" definition. It works in this case.

Digital Trauma

@quartata yes

zyabin101

@PhiNotPi exeunt

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ But a quining built-in is also payload capable

Martin Büttner

I had an idea for "detecting" quining built-ins at some point which would be, there needs to be at least one position inside the program where you can insert a no-op such that the output of the quine doesn't change

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata But this isn't a quine built in. So that's kinda irrelevant for this case.

Martin Büttner

5:38 PM

(a quining built-in would just read that no-op since it reads everything, whereas in a proper quine there's some part that is encoded somewhere else, so changing it only in one place won't change the output)

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I feel like it's pretty similar.

Function.toString(), the underlying function, returns the code of a function (in this case a program)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner that's a nice idea. but you could just insert semicolons in the beginning of the js program--is that what you intend to do?

@quartata Granted, but do you honestly think that the toString functionality was for quining?

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ To be honest I never know with JS

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well, it's not part of the function any more then... if you really want a function quine, then I'm only considering whether you reproduce the function, not any code that isn't part of it

PhiNotPi

I'm just procrastinating on studying for my finals.

Martin Büttner

5:40 PM

I'm more worried about inserting two spaces inside function f()

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@MartinBüttner oh, I see.

@quartata That's a terrible response ._.

@MartinBüttner It retains spaces on IE

Digital Trauma

@MartinBüttner this would certainly work for this shell quine (which I think is proper): z=\' a='z=\\$z a=$z$a$z\; eval echo \$a'; eval echo $a

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma "work" meaning?

Digital Trauma

@MartinBüttner I mean it would be a good test

Martin Büttner

ah okay

Digital Trauma

5:42 PM

there are lots of places you can insert spaces and not affect the final output

e.g. between the final eval and echo

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Also, what about the standard quine in, say, Vitsy (and other 2d languages): 'rd3*Z

It's not capable of such a modification, yet is accepted as a quine.

Martin Büttner

why isn't it?

(as in, how does it work?)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Because the ' wraps around to the beginning of the program to finish recording a string--anything in the source code is thus recorded

Martin Büttner

if it's 2D, add a second line?

otherwise, I could relax it to "is no longer a quine", because then you can also insert a no-op at the start. that will change the output, but it's no longer a quine.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That's not part of the program, as there is no method statement to jump to another line. (It's 1D)

"No longer a quine" might be best

Well, maybe not

quartata

5:47 PM

Make sure to add that the addition must be syntatically valid

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Consider a language that has a function q (quine), p prints, and x (quit): qp is a quine, but xqp is not; it still cheats.

Martin Büttner

yeah, that's why I never added it to the post...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

HAI

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, then that's a problem. So is then the case that the Vitsy quine cheats? It's basically the CJam quine, requiring the extra stuff to generate other parts.

Maybe "if at any time the entire source code is gotten during execution, it is invalid."

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Why not just part of it?

zyabin101

5:59 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ HAI

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ sounds weird. most quines build up the entire source code before printing it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, but quine builtins do this

unless if people build sequential quine builtins >_<

\o/

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes \o/ How do they work?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yes ^^

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes Yup!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:06 PM

BTW, what is it called when you take [1, 2, 3, 4] becomes [[1, 2], [2, 3], [3, 4]]?

TimmyD

> Quine, quine, everywhere a quine
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the quine?

NinjaBearMonkey

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ CJam calls them overlapping slices but I can't find it called that anywhere else.

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Maybe "entire source code at once?"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NinjaBearMonkey cool

@quartata that's what I meant, oops. but then there is the problem of sequential quine builtins

Martin Büttner

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ "get overlapping substrings of length 2"?

for some reason, in Ruby the function is called each_cons

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:15 PM

o-o huh

@quartata e.g., q pushes the first half of the program, Q pushes the last half of the program, + concats, and p prints, then qQ+p is a quine.

Martin Büttner

yeah, but non-overlapping substrings are also consecutive :P

Digital Trauma

to be honest, I still fail to see the distinction between quine builtins (regardless of whether they return all or part of the source code at any time) and simply reading source from file

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma yeah quine built-ins are just as cheat-y, I think

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I wish we could just classify it as "I know it when I see it" :/

Digital Trauma

and the same goes for function.toString() sorts of things

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:18 PM

Oh, no dip.

Geobits

Oh, how about this instead: Just stop the quine challenges. They're played out.

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zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes Support.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

Digital Trauma

@Geobits well there's that ;-)

zyabin101

@Geobits Oppose.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:20 PM

"WRITE A QUINE THAT QUINES A QUINE QUINE QUINE AHHHHH"

TimmyD

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yo dawg ...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Quining is just another mostly pointless restriction to make a challenge less trivial.

Digital Trauma

write a quine that decides whether a quine is proper or not

Geobits

@zyabin101 There are 111 questions tagged [quine] right now. How many more variations do we need? Many are trivial variations anyway.

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Did you see my announcement for a new nested programs challenge?

Martin Büttner

6:22 PM

I've been trying to come up with some not-quite-quine challenge like Print a Negative where it's best not to use the standard quine techniques, but it's pretty tough to come up with something that also doesn't have trivial solution.

Digital Trauma

nobody ever got paid for writing a quine, or even discussing them at length. GET BACK TO WORK, DIGITAL TRAUMA!

Optimizer

where i was winning for a whole year and then Dennis outgolfs me :/

zyabin101

1 minute later, the "stop the quine challenges" message gets 4 stars. >:|

Optimizer

1 min 4 stars is actually pretty slow

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer it's what he does

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:23 PM

@zyabin101 yes :)

Optimizer

f him.

I mean, fire him..

from his outgolfing job.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

He can't--he's immortal Outgolfer for Life

zyabin101

^

Optimizer

he's AOL?

An Outgolfer for Life

TimmyD

Ooo, maybe I can get 25 free hours of his time to help me with my golfing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:25 PM

IOL :P

Martin Büttner

Was someone talking about matching (unary) Fibonacci numbers with a regex earlier? regex101.com/r/pO2wL7/3

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner I did.

I made a regex golf level.

TimmyD

> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut

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Martin Büttner

@zyabin101 Do you know what flavour that uses?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Probably JS's

zyabin101

6:32 PM

@MartinBüttner Nope.

I think PCRE.

Martin Büttner

nope

looks like ECMAScript

I doubt it's possible in ECMAScript

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

23 points: ^xx?x?$

Chris Jester-Young

@quartata Just writing to let you know I haven't forgotten your program! I have some comments to write on it, but I'm busy preparing for a lightning talk I'm giving tomorrow, so I'll try to do it after this weekend. :-)

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner How can I make it work with Retina?

preview.tinyurl.com/hju7398 returns 0.

Martin Büttner

@zyabin101 this uses it to filter the input and then converts each remaining number to decimal for confirmation:
http://retina.tryitonline.net/#code=R2BeKCg_Ol58XDEpKF4xfFwxXDJ8KD89KDEkKSkpKSsxJAolYC4&input=MQoxMQoxMTEKMTExMQoxMTExMQoxMTExMTEKMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTEKMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTEKMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTEKMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTEKMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTEKMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMQoxMTExMTExMTExMTExMTExMT…

zyabin101

6:36 PM

Also, I had to use a link shortener for this.

Agawa001

@MartinBüttner when the sequence begins with a significant zero (left direction) how is it approached , because the sequence is supposed to be rotated to the left then the pointer would move to the left rather than the usual direction ?

Martin Büttner

@Agawa001 it never starts with a significant zero.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^(xx?x?|x{8}|x{5}|x{13}|x{21}|x{34}|x{55})$, 47 points

Martin Büttner

...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:P

zyabin101

6:38 PM

iCheated

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's probably the shortest way, hardcoding it

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner Perfect! Press Enter to go to the next level (or continue golfing your regex).

quartata

The former

TimmyD

PowerShell interprets it as one token. To get a comment, you need a space.

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes Then the latte.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:41 PM

@QPaysTaxes the former, you lazy person

:P

El'endia Starman

I say the former too.

TimmyD

If it's otherwise delimited (parens, brackets, quotes, etc.), then it's properly a comment.

Like (abc)#def

So, because PowerShell is great and does all things, you should follow that convention.

Well, Ruby is also great and does all things.

quartata

I wonder what the golfiest natural language statement meaning "Alex is wrong" is. I think it's Haitian Creole: Alex mal

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Or child English: "Alex bad"

quartata

Natural languages

zyabin101

6:45 PM

@QPaysTaxes Or Cheddar: alex = false

TimmyD

Yeah, wouldn't unAlex mean 'not Alex' and not necessarily "Alex is wrong?"

zyabin101

I can't reply to quartata because he hates me.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

We've been over this >_>

Rainbolt

@TimmyD If "Alex" is wrong, then "not Alex" is correct.

quartata

8 bytes in Creole is pretty hard to beat IMO. stative verbs fwiw

TimmyD

6:47 PM

@QPaysTaxes I had thought they got rid of "bad" words, so instead it was "unGood"

It's been a long while since I read the book, though, so I could be unRemembering.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata texting: alx=wrng or alx=bad or alx=bd

Definitely a natural language

more bytes

TimmyD

Ah, gotcha.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh well

quartata

I was tempted to do a "how to say alex is wrong in 100 languages" but I just don't know that many languages

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:P

TimmyD

6:54 PM

I read an interesting statistic that the US Census Bureau estimates there are 350 languages spoken in homes in the United States

That's just mind-boggling.

quartata

Whoa. I didn't even know there were that many natural languages

El'endia Starman

I think the current estimate is around 6,000 natural languages, and decreasing.

TimmyD

Wow.

Go go gadget Euro-colonization. :-/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

in 3000+ languages there is no new testament.

quartata

@El'endiaStarman holy smokes

I did not know that

El'endia Starman

7:01 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ This answer says that there are about 2500 languages where some portion of the Bible has been translated to it. The whole thing has been translated into 513 languages.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman oo, that's cool. nice to know

Rainbolt

How do you properly blackbox server side validation code when
A) You also have client side validation code, and
B) The submit button doesn't work when JavaScript is disabled

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

the only people with js disabled are old people :P

El'endia Starman

And/or paranoid people.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

you don't need to worry about them

Rainbolt

7:06 PM

I agree, but our testers don't like to hear "Oh, we added it just in case. You don't need to test it."

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

added what?

Rainbolt

Server side validation

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh :P

El'endia Starman

It's good to have client-side validation to do most of the checking beforehand.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

mini-challenge: rotate a table/matrix input in any direction once without builtin rotation

El'endia Starman

7:08 PM

That is, after all, something that happens on the client's machines so there's no bandwidth usage and no load on the server for such things.

Rainbolt

Why does that matter?

El'endia Starman

Which is why you have server-side validation too.

You can ensure a credit card is valid by using client-side validation, which saves the user time and effort when they type it wrong.

Rainbolt

If the client doesn't disable JavaScript, then it improves the user experience.
If the client disables JavaScript, then it doesn't improve the user experience.
Most people don't disable JavaScript.
The result is an average improvement in user experience.

So yes, there is a real reason to do validation on the client

If you have ever seen a page flicker when you click a button, you know that it isn't as smooth as a message that pops up immediately telling you what went wrong

The goal isn't to make the page work without JavaScript

The goal is to test my server side validation code

I could care less if the page does nothing when the user disables JavaScript. I'd prefer that even.

Developers test things too you know

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

:P

bai

Ton Hospel

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Square matrix ?

TimmyD

7:14 PM

@El'endiaStarman Relevant link to the LOLCat Bible Translation Project

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Never would have I thought I'd see this.

And that was a strange way to say that. But grammatically correct, I think?

quartata

@TimmyD why

El'endia Starman

Ohh, @Rainbolt, you're trying to bypass the client-side validation to make sure the server-side validation is correct, right?

TimmyD

@quartata This is the Internet. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to lolcat.

El'endia Starman

And it's not as simple as disabling JavaScript because then you can't even submit it.

Well...um.........hack it? :P

Rainbolt

7:18 PM

@El'endiaStarman Yes

TimmyD

@QPaysTaxes Implementing both makes the number of "bad" calls your server(s) have to process significantly less. Multiply that by thousands of active users, and that's a not insubstantial load.

Ton Hospel

Only thousands ? seems insubstantial

TimmyD

I have no idea the workload and didn't want to presume Facebook-levels of usage.

Rainbolt

We have to support 40 concurrent users. That may not sound like much, but the machine our application lives on reflects the amount of usage it gets.

Martin Büttner

@HelkaHomba added an explanation

TimmyD

7:27 PM

Unix epoch?

Rainbolt

I thought the SQL Server epoch was January 1, 1970. That ended up causing a bug once...

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes 17000.

TimmyD

Nah, Microsoft has like 30 different epochs

I only know 3 off the top of my head

Rainbolt

Epoch (reference date)

In the fields of chronology and periodization, an epoch is an instant in time chosen as the origin of a particular era. The "epoch" then serves as a reference point from which time is measured. Time measurement units are counted from the epoch so that the date and time of events can be specified unambiguously. Events taking place before the epoch can be dated by counting negatively from the epoch, though in pragmatic periodization practice, epochs are defined for the past, and another epoch is used to start the next era, therefore serving as the ending of the older preceding era. The whole purpose...

TimmyD

.NET uses Jan 1, AD 1

NTFS uses Jan 1, 1601

and Excel uses Jan 0, 1900

quartata

7:32 PM

@TimmyD lol

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes As I said, 17000.

Rainbolt

I wonder if we'll have another Y2K problem in the year 3000. I mean seriously... who will remember the mistakes we made 1000 years ago?

Err... I guess it would be more likely to repeat at 2100

That's my new goal in life. Live long enough to witness Y2.1K

Then I can wear a shirt "I survived Y2k and Y2.1K"

Then I can die because I'll be 110

TimmyD

Y2.1 patch notes -- fixed two-digit-year bug

zyabin101

I didn't survive Y2K, because I was born after it. :P

TimmyD

@QPaysTaxes What's happening in 2038?

zyabin101

7:40 PM

Year 2038 problem

The Year 2038 problem is an issue for computing and data storage situations in which time values are stored or calculated as a signed 32-bit integer, and this number is interpreted as the number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970 ("the epoch"). Such implementations cannot encode times after 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038, a problem similar to but not entirely analogous to the "Y2K problem" (also known as the "Millennium Bug"), in which 2-digit values representing the number of years since 1900 could not encode the year 2000 or later. Most 32-bit Unix-like systems store and manipulate...

Rainbolt

I'm just gonna put all the years that I survived on my shirt

It'll have lots of text

Anyone who is my age can buy one when I make it

Ton Hospel

I expect Y2038 to pay for my retirement :-)

Optimizer

@Rainbolt and what is your age ... ?

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I awaited it. :D

Dennis

7:45 PM

@NewMainPosts s/walker/zombie/g

Optimizer

got fans be like.

zyabin101

I wish to do a formula solution.

Rainbolt

@Optimizer 25

Wait no 26

Optimizer

wow, so many of us of the same age.

Rainbolt

I turned 26 two weeks ago

Optimizer

7:46 PM

lol wut?

ok

zyabin101

But one: I don't know what is a byte in mathematics, and two: I don't know the formula.

Martin Büttner

@Rainbolt Do you also have that one month after your birthday where you never know how old you are?

Optimizer

you are also 25/26 right?

Rainbolt

@MartinBüttner Last year it lasted for about half of the year

Martin Büttner

yes

Rainbolt

7:49 PM

I think this event will ingrain it into my memory for this year

Next year I'll stumble again

Optimizer

I had it once when it lasted for about a whole year.

TimmyD

@zyabin101 TIL

Optimizer

just after I was born.

zyabin101

@TimmyD GTYLI

(Good that you learnt it)

Rainbolt

Agh. I wrote a bunch of validation in JavaScript then I discovered w3schools.com/tags/att_input_pattern.asp

zyabin101

7:51 PM

But if a site has no HTTPS thing, what to do?

Like Try it online.

@QPaysTaxes Never! flips table

TimmyD

I only use HTTPs for sites I care about. I'm not real worried about someone sniffing my code golf.

Rainbolt

It sounded to me like a minute ago you were giving everyone in the room a reason to not use it.

5 mins ago, by QPaysTaxes

Also, guys, please link things with HTTPS. It's more secure and it makes my browser stop complaining.

Implying that your browser was complaining

That's a good reason to not use it

I read it correctly. Your browser complains when others link things with http, because you are using https.

So there are two possible solutions to this problem

Optimizer

its a good thing

TimmyD

@Rainbolt 3

Rainbolt

Sure, but when someone says there is no point not to use it, and there is at least one point, then I have to correct them.

TimmyD

7:57 PM

The third solution, of course, is to nuke it from orbit.

Geobits

Fourth: stop using internet

Rainbolt

@QPaysTaxes No. If I said "The one point I brought up outweighs your internet security." then I would be saying you should compromise your internet security.

zyabin101

@Geobits (V_v)p

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