The Nineteenth Byte

@Skyl3r Is that true? I'm sorry to hear that. We're a very funloving community but we have a lot of rules that are not at all obvious at first. If you're thinking of making a challenge you could put it in the Sandbox. If you're crafting an answer, you can ask for feedback in here.

Anonymous

How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Arent Real

Skyl3r

Good question.

Alex A.

Many of the folks here, myself included, are always willing to help people out.

Skyl3r

I've actually had too much religious and metaphysical debates to care if I'm sure right now.

Maltysen

@Skyl3r we never have those here so you can stay!

(but we do have a lot of tabs vs. spaces debates)

Skyl3r

12:07 AM

Alex A., yeah it's actually true. It seems very easy to go wrong asking a question. I understand why most codegolf stuff is downvoted when it is downvoted, but when I start venturing into topics I'm not comfortable with, it's game over.

Tabs

Anonymous

Spaces are obviously superior

Skyl3r

Definitely tabs

Alex A.

Spaces forever

Anonymous

get out

Maltysen

I got it

screenshotted

Anonymous

12:07 AM

git out

Maltysen

Skyl3r

Do you know how annoying it is accidentally hitting tab too many times and then having to type 4 or 5 backspaces? or CTRL-Z?

Alex A.

@Maltysen Screenshat

Easterly Irk

TABS.

Maltysen

@Skyl3r i'm with you man, tabs are the best

Easterly Irk

12:08 AM

^

Alex A.

@Maltysen Wait, really? I thought we were friends D:

Skyl3r

I've actually never understood why anyone would like spaces.

Easterly Irk

Me neither.

Alex A.

For their objective superiority

Skyl3r

I can't see any benefits. Is there any?

Easterly Irk

12:09 AM

@AlexA. no offense, why?

Maltysen

@Doorknob @AlexA. has betrayed you and spaces and has gone to the side of tabs

Easterly Irk

^^^

@Maltysen well, thats gonna get some anger.

Alex A.

Don't believe him, @Doorknob.

Brain Lot

Can't you just shift-tab if you accidentally tab? Or is that just a Visual Studio thing?

Optimizer

Alex is wrong

Maltysen

12:10 AM

WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE: i.stack.imgur.com/4cCsV.png

Easterly Irk

@Doorknob Alex confessed.

Skyl3r

Is shift-tab more convenient for you then backspace?

Easterly Irk

3 hours ago, by Easterly Irk

@flawr ಠ_______________UNK_____________ಠ

This got belated stars.

Skyl3r

What's stars ._.

4

Easterly Irk

@AlexA. per your space usage: ಠ_______________UNK_____________ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:11 AM

tabs are better.

Easterly Irk

^

@Skyl3r

Sorry for the beginning.

Skyl3r

Woah.

Anonymous

Spaces are better because they offer more fine-grained control of indentation

Easterly Irk

Eh, no.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

strawpoll.me/6978100

Skyl3r

12:12 AM

You can set the size of tabs...

Maltysen

@Mego why would you ever want that

^^

Easterly Irk

^

Skyl3r

I can't imagine why you would want one indent to be 5 spaces and the next to be 2

Anonymous

@Maltysen golf

Easterly Irk

tabs are one byte too.

Anonymous

12:12 AM

Specifically Python golf

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego If you need that much precision in your indentation, you're either (a) doing an art project or (b) doing something incredibly wrong.

Easterly Irk

Tabs are one byte too

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ (a) is correct too often

Optimizer

@EasterlyIrk do you record everything you do on your screen for instant evidence?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego ._. I think (a) falls under (b)

Skyl3r

12:13 AM

Are stars basically used as upvotes?

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ascii-art

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yes, but they're trivial.

Maltysen

@Skyl3r yes, but much more irresponsibly.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego oh. I concede that tabs are rubbish for ascii-art.

Maltysen

bearmonkey'd

Skyl3r

12:14 AM

Okay, I see.

Anonymous

@Skyl3r They are, but that's not their purpose. Starring a message is supposed to mean "this message is useful and/or important", but really here it means "this is a gif of a cat/goat" or "this is ironic because this message is complaining about stars not being used properly" or "this is a really bad joke/pun"

Maltysen

@Mego really digging for some stars there, eh ;P

> this is ironic because this message is complaining about stars not being used properly

Anonymous

I'm still holding out hope for a stars-to-rep conversion feature

3

Easterly Irk

^

Skyl3r

Twice now I've wondered where in the world this music was coming from before realizing that somewhere up in my plethora of tabs, I've been rick rolled.

4

Easterly Irk

12:16 AM

@Optimizer Yep.

I run it 24/7. /s

@Skyl3r rofl

@Skyl3r That is a very starrable post.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EasterlyIrk o_o

Maltysen

AFL!: codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges/23/fanatic?userid=31343

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nice!

welcome to the 1 gold badge club.

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Q: When is a language-specific tag appropriate?

In @Doorknob's Tag Categorization Project, there's an answer outlining language-specific tags. The answer notes the format of these tags' wikis: This challenge is related to the _____ language. Note that challenges that require the answers to be in a specific language are generally discourag...

Anonymous

I still have 0 golds

Anonymous

12:19 AM

I'll probably get fanatic and electorate on the same day :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

mınxomaτ

Yay! I finally get fiber in my apartment next month!

Alex A.

I have 4 gold on main and 2 on meta.

@mınxomaτ What kind of fiber? Cotton?

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. Plastic optical fibers. Carrying 300D/200U instead of my measly 16/1 connection atm.

Alex A.

I don't know what that means.

Anonymous

12:24 AM

Fiber optics for internet

Anonymous

It means fast

mınxomaτ

^

Anonymous

Rather than pushing electrons through copper wire, it transmits data by shooting photons through a reflective tube

Anonymous

So single-bit transmission speeds are on the order of the speed of light

Skyl3r

How many/are any of you entrepreneurs?

mınxomaτ

12:26 AM

@Skyl3r What do you mean exactly?

Skyl3r

How many ways can you interpret that?

Anonymous

I have never started my own company

mınxomaτ

I own one company and hold shares in another. I guess this counts.

Skyl3r

Tech related?

Anonymous

The closest I've gotten is starting an open-source project that I think a grand total of 5 people (including myself) have contributed to

mınxomaτ

12:30 AM

@Skyl3r Yes.

Maltysen

I (well technically my father) have a company that we made to hold the about $12 of app revenue from the apps and stuff i've written

that probably doesn't count

Skyl3r

Hmm, I was just interested. I've been trying to start one and I feel like my business guy is a shady character.

Haha, I just broke $20 from ads on my app a few days ago.

Anonymous

Is he also slim?

Skyl3r

Nah, but he's short

Anonymous

If so, could he please stand up?

Maltysen

12:32 AM

I'm sure we have an SE community for that somewhere

mınxomaτ

@Skyl3r Why? (I have quite a bit of experience with rogue business partners (and mitigating them)).

Skyl3r

He's repeatedly assured me and the other developer that there's a good verbal contract binding us and that we don't have anything to worry about.

Liam

seems legit

Maltysen

you should hold a video call with him and all of us and we can judge if he's legit or not

Skyl3r

He also seems to put a lot of effort into buying our friendship. Like buying us drinks and candy...

Haha, as much as I would enjoy that...

Anonymous

12:35 AM

@Skyl3r Aside from the candy bit that sounds like standard business brown-nosing

mınxomaτ

@Skyl3r Doesn't seem legit at all. You have to do everything in writing. Make sure you have at least an e-mail concerning every single business decision (no matter how small). For long term agreements, make contracts.

That doesn't exclude a friendly and healthy relationship though ;)

Skyl3r

Yeah, the contract is a work in progress. He's resisted sending emails at every turn. He insists that sharing information verbally is a good way to do it and if I don't remember then I just have bad retention skills.

mınxomaτ

information != decisions.

Maltysen

@Skyl3r secret tape recorder?

Skyl3r

Okay, /s/decisions/information

Yeah, we'll see. I can't imagine anything too terrible happening in the immediate future. We don't have a product ready for sale yet and he has no access to the work in progress.

mınxomaτ

12:38 AM

@Skyl3r There is really no such thing as "verbally binding", except for very few exceptions. But those can only be judged by a lawyer, since this is usually a complex problem. To prevent lawyers and general confusion, make notes, let him confirm them, and send mails whenever possible.

Skyl3r

Okay, I'll do that.

mınxomaτ

@Skyl3r That's fine. Make sure to have them sign contracts before trading any code / products. Anyway, you should all have signed a (mutual) NDA by now, no matter what you've discussed.

Skyl3r

Yeah an NDA is a good idea. I'll have a discussion with him about that.

Why do I feel like the captain of a sinking ship.

mınxomaτ

@Skyl3r Make sure you use at least a template from an independent party. I can recommend you sources if you want, but you'd have to write me a mail for that (since that depends on "what tech" the business is about).

The best test for sincere business partners is giving them a NDA to sign and refuse to share any information or to carry on if they don't sign or want to make huge alterations. Of course, always stay kind and sincere yourself ;)

Skyl3r

Oh, I'm always kind and sincere.

I believe I can find a good NDA

Do you know what's ridiculous? Jelly. I can't even believe my eyes half of the time I'm looking at solutions.

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Anonymous

12:51 AM

I'm still trying to find Jelly's weakness

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Strings.

Doorknob

@Mego Verbosity

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Skyl3r Welcome to PPCG. There's pretty much a throne on which sits a few languages that are best suited to knocking down the other languages and being a rep whore.

Skyl3r

I've noticed rapidly.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Good! You'll do fine.

Anonymous

12:53 AM

It used to be GolfScript and J. Then CJam and Pyth came along and knocked them down a few pegs. Now it's Jelly time.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah :|

Skyl3r

MATL also has it's moments

mınxomaτ