The Nineteenth Byte

@TimmyD Calling your country United States of America is already a pretty big slap in the face, considering that there are other states in America. Using American as from the USA is just wrong. It may be commonplace in English, but it's still wrong.

RenderSettings

That's still stylized with a lowercase 'o' to show it's not important

flawr

@ETHproductions Who would want to live in the USA anyway?

RenderSettings

It would be USoA, and people would just drop the o anyawys

flawr

9:06 PM

XD

ETHproductions

@flawr good point

Easterly Irk

@flawr ಠ_______________UNK_____________ಠ

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flawr

Well switzerland is technically also an union of states

TimmyD

@Dennis Maybe we should have had a focus group or some test markets first before national roll-out.

Dennis

By the way, the demonym is estadounidense in Spanish.

flawr

9:07 PM

Called the swiss confederation

zyabin101

D'awww, Urbit's developer docs are in development...

flawr

So if someone is talking about the united states, I am never sure whether they are talking about switzerland.

Easterly Irk

lol

TimmyD

@Dennis I thought that was norteamericanos

flawr

I hope I did not offend too many US-americans here.

Dennis

9:09 PM

@HelkaHomba February 21, per somebody's request. I didn't realize back then that he forked it from your repo.

ETHproductions

disclaimer: I am US-american

Easterly Irk

@flawr To. Late.

^^^

flawr

But then again, you can never offend too many us-americans.

Easterly Irk

@flawr ಠ_______________UNK_____________ಠ

flawr

What is UNK?

ETHproductions

9:09 PM

@EasterlyIrk ಠ_______________USA_____________ಠ

Dennis

@TimmyD No, that's North American, which includes Canadians.

Aqua Tart

Unknown token.

ETHproductions

@flawr See the Beep Boop Maggot room

flawr

That sounds like something from QC

Lynn

Lojban has merko for USA-ian, bemro for North-American, bemjoitco for Pan-American.

zyabin101

9:10 PM

_INK

TimmyD

But couldn't estadounidense mean someone from Mexico, by similar logic?

zyabin101

_INK is out of things to say error.

Easterly Irk

@RenderSettings where are you from?

@flawr QC?

flawr

@EasterlyIrk Questioable Content

questionablecontent.net

Lynn

@TimmyD It’s a bit different: anyone can be a bunch of united states, so calling yourself “The United States” is just egocentric; whereas America belongs to other people, so calling yourself “America” is closer to cultural theft.

Dennis

9:13 PM

@TimmyD No. While the official name is Estados Unidos Mexicanos, nobody calls it that. The proper demonym is mexicano in that case.

RenderSettings

@EasterlyIrk America ;D

Zgarb

I'm reading the Urbit whitepaper. It's... interesting, for lack of a better word.

Lynn

And yeah, there isn’t really a collision. America is a name many people claim for many different things, but nobody calls Mexico the United States

Anyway here is where I live en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Belgian_States

Dennis

Not even Mexicans.

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Set Big O

Ok, so barring a name change of the country (which is not going to happen in today's climate), what convenient term should we use for people from the USA? US-Americans is unwieldly, to say the least.

Lynn

9:15 PM

From the US is as many syllables as American

Zgarb

@SetBigO Ussians?

TimmyD

Well, seeing as how the US was here first, I'm retroactively calling "dibs." :p

Dennis

Jul 24 '15 at 3:51, by Dennis

You guys are called estadounidenses here. Unitedstatesler or something like that.

Lynn

> seeing as how the US was here first

Set Big O

@Lynn You can't use that well in many cases. "We have a coalition of Germans, Mexicans, and From-the-US."

Lynn

9:16 PM

ಠ__________________ಠ

TimmyD

@Lynn Oh, come on ... super joking here.

flawr

Some day I'm going to write a book How to efficiently offend US-Americans

Set Big O

@Dennis There's a difference between what others call us and what we call ourselves in our native language.

This is true for many countries.

Kevin W.

I know some people who just use 'Murricans for people from USA, but that's more of a joking thing

also generally used in the north to talk about people in the south

(parts of USA, that is)

Set Big O

I propose Murkins for general use :)

TimmyD

9:21 PM

Merkin?

(nsfw if you BiGoogle that)

Set Big O

Yea... good point. Maybe something with a different pronunciation.

Brain Lot

This used to be a rant

zyabin101

Best Feedbot?

TimmyD

I like Ussian ... like "Russian" without the "R"

Lynn

BiGoogle?!

Brain Lot

9:25 PM

Wow I feel a lot better now.

Set Big O

@zyabin101 Where's the option for "this doesn't matter in the least to me"? I used the 'close tab' button, but it didn't show in the results.

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zyabin101

I obviously vote everyone.

@SetBigO This is a poll. You don't need to vote, if you don't want to.

TimmyD

@Lynn Searching on Bing or Google ... it's also a play on bi

Set Big O

@TimmyD Good luck getting the votes needed to change it to that ;) The Cold War is fresher in some minds than it should be.

Anonymous

@SetBigO I find it's more pleasant to ignore users who I don't think add much to the chatroom

TimmyD

9:27 PM

Yeah, we just need to scheme a plot that shows that "R" is eeeevvvvviiiiilll

Brain Lot

@Mego I feel like I should be part of that group, but I remember you responded to me the other day because we were talking about RWBY.

Set Big O

@Mego I don't really like the ignore button. Sometimes I manually ignore people, but it's very rare that I'll let the software do it for me ;)

Zgarb

Another possibility would be US-ian.

zyabin101

@BrainLot RWBY?

Set Big O

@TimmyD Something with the Toys R Us giraffe would work. They use a backwards R anyway.

TimmyD

9:29 PM

As in "You-Ess-Ian" ... ?

Zgarb

@TimmyD Yes.

Anonymous

@BrainLot There's a difference (to me, at least) between "hangs out in chat and occasionally says funny/interesting things" and "almost nothing posted is worth reading/replying to"

Anonymous

@SetBigO I use the ignore button pretty liberally. I think currently I have 4 users ignored.

TimmyD

> pretty liberally

> 4 users ignored

Set Big O

The problem with anything just US (like US-ians, or whatever), is that no other country does it. Who calls themselves Democrat Republicans or DR-ians, for example? It's just awkward, and not any more specific than Americans is, so it's not a good replacement.

Anonymous

9:30 PM

@TimmyD Compared to most people, who I would imagine ignore a max of 1 person, that is pretty liberal :P

Brain Lot

@zyabin101 It's a show by RoosterTeeth, the folks who did Red vs Blue. My brother works for them.

TimmyD

@Mego Fair point.

zyabin101

@Mego Ò_Ó

TimmyD

@SetBigO That's true.

Anonymous

@BrainLot A really good show

TimmyD

9:32 PM

Obviously we need to form Jesusland.

Anonymous

Granted, with the exception of RTES, Strangerhood, and 1-800-PANICS, everything RT has put out has been really good imo

Set Big O

@TimmyD Ugh.

Anonymous

So is NewSandboxedPosts really slow, or did I accidentally hit the ignore button on him, too?

Set Big O

It's usually pretty slow, unless you mean >20 mins.

Brain Lot

I heard he runs every 15 minutes. But that was a long time ago so I may be misremembering

TimmyD

9:33 PM

That way, we'll have The United States of Canada who can be Canadians and Jesusland who can be ... umm ... Jesusians? They can't be Jesuits, as that's a religious organization ... Hmm. This didn't solve anything.

Zgarb

@SetBigO Then I propose USAers, pronounced "you-sayers".

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Generate a waveform from audio Given an audio file, in any common audio format, as input, output an image, in any common image format, of a waveform representing the audio input. The input audio should be sampled at 44.1 kHz with 32-bit floats, and sample points should be plotted every 5 pixels....

Anonymous

There it goes

RenderSettings

The Untied States of America

TimmyD

@Zgarb "You-sayers" has somewhat of a nice ring to it.

Zgarb

9:36 PM

It can also have whatever connotation you want it to have.

Set Big O

It does. Good luck getting it past Congress ;)

Zgarb

...or we could just all start using it everywhere, and hope it becomes a generally accepted term.

TimmyD

Oh dear ...

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Q: Unable to find the .lit file reader app clit

I have some lit files I want to convert from Microsoft reader files to something my other devices can read. My friend says I should have clit, in $ which clit /usr/bin/clit but I cannot find it. I tried locate clit but the results are unrelated. So then I tried sudo apt-get install clit but i...

Set Big O

They reworded the title. Took long enough...

TimmyD

Yeah

RenderSettings

9:39 PM

Awww, they renamed it

CoolestVeto

The no-fun police have arrived.

TimmyD

It's slightly better

Set Big O

Did you see the comments before they got nuked? People are terrible :D

Liam

hah yeah

> I tried locate clit but the results are unrelated

CoolestVeto

TimmyD

9:40 PM

@SetBigO Just shows that, really, everyone has a dirty mind.

Anonymous

@SetBigO I saw them. They were exactly what I expected.

Brain Lot

That is so clearly intentional...

CoolestVeto

man clit
No manual page for clit

Liam

> Is clit a standard package? where can I find it?

Set Big O

@TimmyD I've met some people that either really really didn't or were absolute masters at concealing it. In general, I am not a fan of these people.

RenderSettings

9:42 PM

Hmmm. On the "no strings or numbers attached" challenge, do you think +42 would work? It's not the literal atom 42, just "snag index 42 in the context"

Liam

So the mods nuked the comments, but didn't edit the original post at all

Anonymous

@SetBigO I have a terribly dirty mind, but I try to keep it in check for the sake of civility here :)

Set Big O

As long as you let it slip sometimes, you're okay in my book ;)

Some things are just funny, that's all.

Liam

what is that package even for

Set Big O

ebook related stuff. It's a valid question, even if it's also obvious bait.

Anonymous

9:43 PM

@Liam You'll understand when you're older

Liam

:(

Brain Lot

It's impossible to Google safely at work

Liam

That's what I was thinking

Set Big O

Some people never do find out, though, so maybe an explanation is in order. Kids, close your eyes.

CoolestVeto

@Mego ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Brain Lot

9:45 PM

This is purely educational, correct?

Anonymous

Educate yourself: the clit package

Brain Lot

How will the kids learn anything with their eyes closed?

Liam

<-- scared to click link

Brain Lot

stupid defcon

Set Big O

@BrainLot Errr. Little kids, close your eyes. Better?

TimmyD

9:46 PM

@Mego The best thing is watching movies that I watched as a kid, and going "Holy cow, they snuck a lot of stuff past kids" ... and then wondering how much would get past kids now-a-days

Brain Lot

I learned my lesson after the last three defcons I got tricked by

Anonymous

There, I edited the link :)

Liam

lots

Set Big O

@TimmyD Looney Toons were great at that.

Anonymous

@SetBigO Disney, man. They had so many leud references

Aqua Tart

9:46 PM

I thought defcon was just a rickroll

Liam

I wouldn't call them "great" I think they just didn't care

Set Big O

But yea. Speaking as a parent, they can and do still get lots past the kids :)

Liam

The smiley face at the end of that line made it a bit creepy

Anonymous

Timon and Pumba serenade Simba with an Elton John song while he hakunas Nala's tatas. Kids see singing animals. Adults see voyeurism.

Set Big O

@Liam Only a bit? Damn, I'm normally better at that :(

Liam

9:49 PM

should have used the winky smiley face

Set Big O

Hindsight 20/20 and all...

Lynn

Winky smiley faces make everything +50 Creepy to me.

Set Big O

;)

Anonymous

@Lynn Only +50? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Liam

winking smiley face

Lynn

9:50 PM

Anonymous

Eww SQL

Lynn

(Lynn’s eyes melt)

Set Big O

Why is that flowchart screaming like that?

mınxomaτ

@Lynn That might look nice, but I think the alignment makes this extremely hard to follow.

TimmyD

@SetBigO Why is it a GIF?

Set Big O

9:52 PM

Good point. Maybe that's why it's screaming.

TimmyD

There's a lot of screaming in SQL, though.

Maybe SQL developers are just angry all the time.

I would be, if I had to program in SQL.

Set Big O

I'd probably need a tougher keyboard.

mınxomaτ

2 days ago, by RenderSettings

writing SQL while not screaming at the top of your lungs is a syntax error

Set Big O

Well, time to make dinner. Chicken Alfredo, I choose you!

TimmyD

On the other hand ... Caps lock is cruise control for cool.

Anonymous

9:56 PM

@TimmyD I did SQL programming for a little over a year at my last job. Combined with the fact that we had to write code in this monstrosity, it was a nightmare

Anonymous

@TimmyD Even with cruise control, you still have to steer

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TimmyD

@Mego Best. Analogy. Ever.

Anonymous

I didn't come up with it

Anonymous

That follow-up to "caps lock is cruise control for cool" has been around on the internet at least as long as I have

TimmyD

So, like, a couple months?

TimmyD ... away!

Brain Lot

10:00 PM

This MatterOfScale game is so addicting.

It's like CookieClicker but not as pretty

RenderSettings

that page is blank

Brain Lot

Is it blank for anyone else?

Better question, is it not blank for anyone but me?

Anonymous

I see it

Anonymous

One of my favorite games: adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com

mbomb007

@NinjaBearMonkey Thanks. Had no idea!

@flawr Because abbreviations omit words that aren't capitalized unless necessary to create a word.

Nathan Merrill

10:15 PM

there's really no comparison to kittensgame

Brain Lot

@Mego Wow. I was feeling happy and then "One of your huts burned down. All of the villagers inside perished."

What a downer.

Anonymous

@BrainLot It's a really fun game that gets more and more interesting as you go on

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:32 PM

I feel so happy I just successfully did a fork in J

RenderSettings

What's a fork

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

(verb1 verb2) (noun) = noun verb1 (verb2 noun)

^ that's a fork.

Brain Lot

Anonymous

10:52 PM

Would someone with a Windows machine mind doing me a favor and trying this out?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what is it?

Anonymous

It's a minimal Cygwin install, with just enough to run Seriously

feersum

Why would you do that?

Anonymous

Because it's a pain in the rear to run Seriously on Windows

feersum

I thought it was a Python script

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:55 PM

wat is cygwin

Anonymous

@feersum It is, but it requires a module that uses a C extension and thus things get complicated when trying to compile it, since MSVC doesn't support the C99 features that the extension uses

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ POSIX compatibility layer for Windows

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh.

That sounds like a bad thing.

Anonymous

Which part?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"POSIX", "compatibility layer", and "windows"

They do not belong in the same sentence.

Anonymous

10:57 PM

They should :P

Anonymous

POSIX is really nice

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

POSIX is like 6, but for posers, right?

Anonymous

Consistency is a cool thing

feersum

@Mego Why can't you compile it with mingw?

Roujo

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Right. Windows already has a POSIX subsystem, why would you need a compatibility layer?

Ah, nevermind. Looks like that we removed when XP came around

Anonymous

11:04 PM

@feersum Because Python's setuptools doesn't support MinGW, as far as I can tell from my attempts at making it work. It's either gcc on a Linux/UNIX system, or MSVC on a Windows system.

RenderSettings

install gentoo

feersum

@Mego Cygwin is none of the above though..

Anonymous

@feersum Cygwin pretends to be a Linux/UNIX system, so Python recognizes that and uses gcc, which works

Alex A.

11:30 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ POSIX is like what everybody but Windows uses so everyone has to build special cases around whether the code is running on Windows.

Anonymous

Windows is a nightmare for developers unless you're using .NET

Alex A.

I can imagine

I've only ever developed in .NET on Windows

Anonymous

And if you're using .NET, nobody else will use your code unless they really like dealing with Mono

Alex A.

I haven't used Mono but I haven't heard anything bad about it.

Anonymous

It's not very easy to get it set up and working properly (from my last experience with it from about a year ago)

Alex A.

11:32 PM

When I installed it, I just went to their site, downloaded it, and followed the instructions, then it worked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous

I meant getting it working on Linux :P

Anonymous

It's a bit more involved from what I remember

mınxomaτ

@Mego That's not true at all.

Alex A.

That should be the Linux tagline: "It's a bit more involved from what I remember."

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ I had huge difficulties getting it installed on Debian about a year ago. It may be easier/better now.

mınxomaτ

11:34 PM

On all sane linux distros you just install the mono-complete package. On ubuntu you merely have to add the up2date repository to apt (because ubuntu has an outdated package). That's it.

Maltysen

^

mınxomaτ

@Mego You probably just installed the default package. Debian has outdated mono packages, and they refuse to update for whatever reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ That's entirely possible

Anonymous

I ended up having to compile/install it from source, which was unpleasant

mınxomaτ

Another case of "RTFM". I learned that the hard way, too.

I have no idea about the setup on OS X though.

Alex A.

11:37 PM

Root Toot For Moot?

mınxomaτ

ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

@mınxomaτ Download .dmg, install, done.

Anonymous

Read The Farting Manual

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. Thought so.

Alex A.

There's probably a Homebrew formula for it as well.

@Mego I'm already an expert on this, I need no manual.

Anonymous

11:38 PM

Windows Mono install procedure: Download .msi, install, hope you don't get a random BSOD from something else during the install, done

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. brew install mono

Alex A.

Nice

Maltysen

@Mego but you don't really need mono anyway cuz you're on windows

Alex A.

^

feersum

What's next, Cygwin for Linux?

Alex A.

11:39 PM

lel

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