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7:00 PM
@mınxomaτ Haha, you're a quarter of the way around the world from me. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman How close are you to new york?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ About 400 miles from the closest tip, I think.
 
o_O that's a long way to travel
 
there wasn't anywhere closer??
 
7:03 PM
Eh?
 
oh wait nvm
stupid question :|
 
@Geobits Great, now I'll be humming that song for the next three days.
 
7:05 PM
You're welcome.
 
Quick question: if the same program needs to be run twice in order for it to say, draw something, is it still a valid answer?
 
When it runs itself.
 
So, not when the user has to run it twice?
 
Yea, otherwise I could skip the whole "recursion" part of recursive solutions.
 
7:09 PM
cons module require myModule
 
Finite amount
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's not a solution for a challenge. Running just one arbitrary iteration is a solution for a different challenge.
 
imo anyway
 
It makes sense.
 
7:11 PM
it is done...
(now to wait for the meta bot)
 
I'm seeing pictures of snow in the Rochester area from Facebook friends, and I think the snow hasn't stopped falling. Cars covered, snow more than halfway up the wheels...from 3-5 hours ago.
@MartinBüttner ...aww, I thought you were talking about Best of PPCG...
 
sorry...
I'll see if I can make some progress on that after dinner
 
From 3-4 hours ago.
 
Huh. It's t-shirt weather here. A beautiful 66 degrees (19 for the infidels).
 
It's 45F here
 
7:15 PM
Boston is gray and soggy. Possibly flooding in the evening due to rain.
 
Anonymous
@Geobits Same here
 
36 F here and the snow is melting rapidly. I got about 2 inches on my car 2 nights ago and I don't have to do any work clearing it off because it basically all melted. :P
 
Anonymous
@Zgarb So, it's Boston
 
Slightly more to the point: It's new england.
 
7:20 PM
That sounds less to the point ;)
 
0
Q: Transpose quine

LukeTranspose quine In this quine variant, your program must output its source code transposed across the diagonal from the top left to the bottom right. For example: your program on four lines outputs yof ono u u r r      p l r i o n g e r s a m The whitespace in the output is no...

 
Well, we had -15°C in the weekend.
(Too lazy to convert to your archaic scale)
 
I think that's around 0.221 radians fahrenheit.
4
 
Haha. Actually, 5 F.
 
Nice edit :P
 
7:23 PM
:P
Oh, my problem was that I multiplied by 2.2, not 1.8.
 
I'm trying to find degrees F and degrees C in GNU units. I know they're there somewhere.
 
GNU's Not Units
 
At least we have google calculator, anyway.
Also, 1 barn times 1 megaparsec equals about... 0.63 teaspoons.
Hey I found it
 
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Q: Should multi-part challenges be allowed?

Martin BüttnerWe occasionally have challenges which consist of multiple separate subchallenges, whose individual scores are simply combined at the end. These are often known as "golf courses". While these are often quite popular they do have some problems. Mainly it's not clear how we should deal with people c...

 
We should just all switch to Planck temperature.
 
7:32 PM
Sees this:
be liek nope
 
Oh god.
I have 9 11 rep
 
0
Q: Find the missing number in an undelimited string

MichaelTThe challenge is to identify the missing number in a string of undelimited integers. You are given a string of digits (valid input will match the regular expression ^[1-9][0-9]+$). The string represents a sequence of integers. For example, 1234567891011. All numbers in the sequence are in the...

 
@Cyoce That's pretty hard to believe. It looks like an inside job.
 
7:34 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ thank you
 
no problem ^_^
 
Don't wanna be confused with those turrurrusts
 
@Zgarb Why not Kelvin?
 
@Geobits Jet fuels can't melt steel badges.
 
@Zgarb Yoctoplanck would probably still be too big for 99+% of uses
 
7:37 PM
@El'endiaStarman Kelvin is based on Celsius, which is based on the boiling and freezing points of water at standard atmospheric conditions, which is horribly arbitrary and human-centric.
(Note: I'm not serious with this. :P)
 
What about an absolute scale scaled such that (insert kind of wood here) burns at 1000 degrees under standard atmospheric conditions?
 
Human-centric is the best centric. I still can't believe everyone fell for Copernicus' ridiculous heliocentric idea.
@SuperJedi224 I think that'd be even more arbitrary. :P
 
I think something based on hydrogen would make the most sense.
 
@El'endiaStarman Well, plenty of people do think the world revolves around them ...
 
In Planck units, the Boltzmann constant is 1. That seems kinda natural to me.
 
7:41 PM
@TimmyD ...brb asking question on World Building on that. (Not really.)
 
@El'endiaStarman Yes, but fire is very important
 
@SuperJedi224 Oh, I agree. I just happen to know a tiny bit more about wood than the average American because I have a best friend who's a woodworker. I think you'll find that even the same kind of wood will burn at varying temperatures based on all sorts of things.
 
7:45 PM
Yeah, probably
 
And you'd have to pick the type of wood too...
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ See the explanation on the chessboard question yet?
 
Not yet, working on tidying up my own. Can't wait though ^_^
 
In the process of explaining I shaved 8 bytes. D:
 
That's a good thing! :D
 
7:48 PM
@VoteToClose I've done that before
 
> If the penultimate character of the input is 'r', rotate over a
Dam son
 
Just got an email from my pastor that starts...
> Calling all golfers!
He was, of course, talking about the inferior sport.
 
>:|
Tell him about code golf
 
He'd probably be like "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ okay"
 
7:55 PM
@El'endiaStarman haha
Hmm, I haven't gotten a reply from the OP but I suspect outputting all indices isn't allowed for the powers of 2 thing.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Look at the line below that.
 
I know. such language tho
 
What, penultimate?
Love that word.
 
I like it now too
 
8:00 PM
Oddly specific though.
"subpenultimate"
"antisubpenultimate"
 
These are not words
 
I know antipenultimate is, and I think there's another prefix that goes after the "anti" that functions like "sub".
Oh, it's antepenultimate, with an e.
Ah-ha, preantepenultimate is the next one.
 
Yeah, because of ante- before.
 
Ah, English. :P
 
8:09 PM
@Doorknob I've also seen "ultrapreantepenultimate" used to mean the same thing
 
Ultra Black Metal Greymon!
 
0
Q: Convert a "mixed-base" string to ASCII

DoorknobGiven an input of a string with bytes that may be in either binary, octal, or hex, output the string's ASCII equivalent. Input will be provided in the following format, for example: 501200100001147 which represents 0x50 0o120 0b01000011 0x47 which is equivalent (in ASCII) to PPCG Binary...

 
@Dennis What exactly did you do on TIO to get slice working?
 
I've finally gotten the powers of 2 thing working the way the OP wanted it (q~{_2T#sew:U,,_m*{_~=!\~Ue\U=e&},:V,{0}{T):T}?}g;TV0=) but n=9 times out on TIO
 
8:16 PM
@VoteToClose I rolled back your edit. The capitalization style of almost every challenge here is first word capitalized, remaining words lowercase, and title case sticks out on the front page.
 
@quartata Compile the latest source code, which has some features from the upcoming release.
 
So just the source in cjam-0.6.5
 
@Doorknob o-o Okaydokay then. I thought it was every non-conjunction/simple verb.
 
@VoteToClose Yes, grammatically your edit is correct. But it doesn't match the general style of other posts.
 
I think most, if not all SE sites don't follow English grammatical convention in that specific thing.
 
8:19 PM
I title case 90% of my PPCG posts. The ones I didn't were actual sentences.
I sentence case 90% of my MTG posts on Board and Card Games, because the title is more often than not a question (complete with a question mark)
Then we have this guy, who can't decide between title case and sentence case
If you were to fix his to be one or the other, I wouldn't complain
 
Looking at Calvin's questions...he kinda seems to mix them up, though he does generally follow your pattern.
 
I hope that becomes the new normal for digital formats
The rules governing which words don't get capitalized are so arbitrary
 
@Rainbolt I think Germans sometimes just make the best guess that title case is the same as German sentence case.
(or German title case for that matter, because we don't distinguish those)
 
@Dennis I compiled from 0.6.5 and it still didn't work :/
 
@MartinBüttner Interesting. What a simple rule! (All nouns are capitalized)
 
8:26 PM
yes
 
Just like in programming
Well... not the code, but the emails and such
 
depends on the language (just like in speech :P)
 
Anonymous
clearly_python_style_is_superior
 
Anonymous
orMaybeJavaStyle
 
DefinitelyNotC#Style
 
8:27 PM
I was thinking of the class names mostly
 
I used title case in my challenges at first, but switched to normal sentence case at some point.
 
Anonymous
oRstaCkOverFLOwgImme_codezS_tyle
 
that said "all nouns are capitalised" can occasionally become a tricky rule once you start talking about substantival adjectives.
 
I think class names are capitalized in Python, Java, and C#
 
(or substantival verbs even)
 
Anonymous
8:28 PM
@Rainbolt That's a general OOP rule; not just limited to those langs
 
@Mego xXxEventHandlerz420xXx
 
@Rainbolt But what do you do when the class name contains an acronym?
 
@Mego how long do you think I need to search to find an OOP language that has a different convention? ;)
 
Like HTMLParser?
 
HtmlParser is what I would use
 
8:29 PM
I've seen both enough, tbh.
 
@SuperJedi224 depends on the convention... most capitalise all of them up to three letters, and do what Rainbolt just did starting at 4.
 
Anonymous
Class names are nouns and are capitalized. Fields are nouns and are lowercase. Methods are verbs and are camel cased (or underscored, for Python)
 
(obviously [citation-needed] for "most")
 
I'm letting ReSharper set the standard for me there. It's the only thing that complains loudly when I write HTMLParser.
 
Anonymous
I would make the acronym all-caps
 
Anonymous
8:30 PM
SimpleHTTPServer
 
Anonymous
Python agrees :)
 
I think when you get to the point that that matters, you've run out of problems :)
 
Python also has list...
 
Anonymous
Either that, or everything is lowercase (urllib)
 
"Html" is wrong. The name of the thing is HTML.
 
8:31 PM
I really just use whatever the language's go-to style guide says
 
Methods and non-final fields use camelCase starting on a lowercase letter, classes use CamelCase starting on an uppercase letter, and final fields do SOMETHING_LIKE_THIS.
 
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Q: You hate <s>hats</s> reputation? Klick here to get rid of it

Vogel612Soo... I recently read a meta-post about the inherent problems of reputation. It listed some things like: Confirmation bias. Demotivating for low-rep users. Hubris and elitism of high-rep users over low-rep users. Incorrect representation of competence. ... So I thought to myself: "How would ...

 
Anonymous
I usually see non-final fields as _fieldName
 
I hate SOMETHING_LIKE_THIS, even for final fields. I use it because it's the standard, but I cringe every time.
 
8:32 PM
heads to Visual Studio to make a final field
 
Anonymous
math.pi
 
Anonymous
As opposed to PI from GNUC
 
@Mego Is that lua?
 
Anonymous
@SuperJedi224 Python
 
Anonymous
It might also be lua, but I specifically was using Python
 
8:34 PM
ReSharper doesn't like all caps for final fields.
It wants PascalCase
 
Smart tool.
 
For both public and private
 
Oh, wait. PascalCase? Eeww.
 
^
Even when coding in C# I do javaCase just to show Mono who's boss
 
First I've ever heard of StyleCop
 
8:36 PM
I should submit something to CR that has a mix of every caps convention I can think of (and then some). Mix up the braces, too, while I'm at it.
 
ha
 
@Geobits use some unicode in the identifiers
 
:)
private int why_Did_iDoTHIS_o‸ლ;
 
Post otherwise-perfect code with that included.
 
Hmm, I probably have to kill the parens.
There, that's better.
 
8:39 PM
public abstract int why_Did_iDoTHIS_(-‸ლ); works fine
Well nvm
 
@Geobits write it in C and throw in some of this goodness stackoverflow.com/a/30726896/1633117
 
You can't name a class - in C#, so I can't make it work
 
Yea, not in Java either :(
 
Anonymous
@Geobits I read that as "parents" and got worried
4
 
@Mego I can see why. Especially with the following line in consideration.
 
8:44 PM
I still am upset about that email from yesterday
I thought the guy's kid died
 
Anonymous
Remember when we thought we would never get to 10?
 
Anonymous
user image
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\o/
70 rep to 7k o-o
 
I just realized that Grace Note is still hanging out in our chat room lol
waves
 
Uh oh. Hey mods, you might want to go and delete all that really bad stuff you were saying about Grace >_>
 
8:46 PM
What bad stuff? <_<
 
I thought mods could see deleted messages
 
They can.
 
Favorite answer to a question?
 
Yes
 
On this site.
 
8:48 PM
_UNK
 
Is Marky in here? >_>
 
No... you asked my favorite answer to a question, so I gave it: Yes.
 
But on this site (chat.se), my favorite is _UNK.
 
Favorite answer on PPCG? >_>
 
8:50 PM
Does it have to be a challenge answer, or can it be a tips answer? h/t Rainbolt ;)
 
30
A: Sprocket Science: Animating a Chain Drive System

TFeldC# 3566 bytes Not golfed at all, but works (I think) Ungolfed in edit history. Uses Magick.NET to render gif. class S{public float x,y,r;public bool c;public double i,o,a=0,l=0;public S(float X,float Y,float R){x=X;y=Y;r=R;}}class P{List<S>q=new List<S>();float x=float.MaxValue,X=float.MinVal...

 
@Geobits A challenge answer would be nice.
@TimmyD How do I compile C#?
 
I guess I'd get lynched if I said EmoWolf, huh?
 
@Justin That's what looked wrong; it's use ieee.std_logic_1164.all, not use ieee.std_logic_1664.all.
 
8:53 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Visual Studio (official) or Mono (unofficial)
 
I'm working on an ad for PPCG.
@TimmyD cool! thanks
 
@Calvin'sHobbies: That functional Rubik's Cube in Minecraft is incredible.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If you want it to look good visually for the ad, browse the popcon/art answers ;)
 
True. thanks!
 
8:55 PM
Tweetable and All Colors have some really nice stuff.
 
So, we know that two of Calvin's Hobbies' hobbies are Minecraft and asking questions on PPCG...
 
Weirdest golfing tip you guys know?
(preferably short)
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ In any language?
 
Preferably a well-know one, but yeah, sure.
 
8:59 PM
@El'endiaStarman I think he also built a full adder with K'nex
 
In TI-BASIC, the Y variable can be zeroed with the ZStandard command, which redraws the graph screen. This saves one byte over Delvar Y.
 
Weirdest?
 
@TimmyD That's pretty cool.
 
@ThomasKwa o__o
Did not know that.
@somebody Yup!
 
Also, radian mode is the default. Sometimes when a one-time flag is needed, the Degree command can be used, and the flag state can be checked by evaluating a trig expression.
 
9:03 PM
That's interesting.
 
The shortest way to get lists of 4 small integer elements is often timeCnv(NNN, where NNN is an integer. This converts the number from seconds to {days, hours, minutes, seconds}.
 
@MartinBüttner Ooh, that's cool.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ in pyth, a space that get immediately closed by either EOF, a ) or ; makes an empty tuple
 
@Maltysen huh!
 
Marky is still really weird:

Intense staring contest

3 mins ago, 2 minutes total – 18 messages, 2 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 33 secs ago by ETHproductions

 
9:05 PM
I think Marky won that contest.
 
re Best Of... we've got 3 challenge categories, one of which is tied for the winner...
@Zgarb did you say you were going to or had already prepared challenges?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ PowerShell has powers-of-two shortcuts ... e.g., 2KB is an int equal to 2048 and so on.
 
@TimmyD ooo noice
 
@Calvin'sHobbies would you be up for creating a challenge about one of muddyfish, quartata, Stewie Griffin or Ell? (winners of the challenge categories)
as for bounties, it would be nice if all answer categories would get the same bounty, and ideally 500 rep. I need to check my list again who offered to spend some rep on this.
 
@MartinBüttner I have one ready about Muddyfish and quartata.
 
9:08 PM
both of them? that's great
for the challenges, I'd also like to put a bounty on them, but it doesn't have to be 500 since it's not going directly to the authors anyway. 200 would probably be enough to give them the attention they deserve.
 
I decided to do one featuring both of them, since it was a tie.
 
that's really cool :)
@Calvin'sHobbies so I guess my above question reduces to just Stewie Griffin or Ell
@ThomasKwa you offered tons of rep for categories that didn't make it into the top 7. would you be willing to give 500 rep for any of the categories that did make it? (or even two of them?)
@Sp3000 you offered 500 for labour of love. would you be willing to give that to one of the answer categories instead?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah, I think I've only used it once, though, for the print out IPv4 challenge.
 
@randomra you offered 300 spread over two categories. any chance you'd up that to 500 for a single category? :)
 
@Dennis What version do I need to download for the slices fix? Building 0.6.5 from SourceForge didn't work.
 
9:12 PM
0.6.5 is the one running on aditsu's server
there must be a newer commit
it's not part of any official release yet though
 
Dennis said he built a different one to get ew working again
But TIO times out for my program :P
@Zgarb <3
 
@MartinBüttner I'll give 500 for Educational and 500 for Best Golfing Language.
 
@quartata It will be glorious. (Or not. Don't get too excited.)
 
@aditsu What version has the fix for ew? Dennis said I needed to build something from source.
 
@ThomasKwa oh, nice
@Sp3000 I guess if you're up for that it would have to be for Most Above-and-Beyond Answer, since you've won Team Effort yourself (jointly with PhiNotPi).
 
9:28 PM
Great I just discovered that my powers of 2 program has to work for 0...
I think I've exceeded the amount of effort I want to put into this
Oh and it's not "take a number and output the appropriate power of 2" its "run forever outputting them one at a time"
:/
 
@DigitalTrauma @randomra @mbomb007 @NinjaBearMonkey (or anyone else who doesn't recoil in fear from regex): Retina mini challenge. with empty input, print the alphabet (lower or upper case, up to you).
 
@MartinBüttner I'm working on the PPCG ad. I've put your's and @ThomasKwa 's truth machines on there ^_^
 
context?
 
*ad
 
9:35 PM
voici le context
 
signing off for tonight, but I'll check it out tomorrow
 
Variations of Life challenge: make a capacitor.
G'night!
 
My programmatic naming convention is getting weird
 
@El'endiaStarman explain, again?
@LegionMammal978 oh?
 
9:37 PM
@El'endiaStarman speaking of which, if you do implement the bitwise stuff, I might make a challenge for that
 
A KeyValuePair<List<KeyValuePair<byte, int>>, KeyValuePair<byte, int>> is named kvpSlSkvpSbNiEENkvpSbNiEE0
 
(well you'd have to implement that and arbitrary neighbourhoods)
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Using any mix of Life-like rules, make a wire with a capacitor, such that when a signal comes in, it stores it and releases it only when another signal comes in.
 
Maybe I should use a using statement for it
 
Ooo
@El'endiaStarman I know what's going to distract me next
 
9:38 PM
What
 
@LegionMammal978 The 70s called. They want their Hungarian notation back.
5
 
@MartinBüttner Yeah. I'd have to figure out how to express that (relatively) easily.
 
(the idea would then be something like "find a rule that adds/multiplies numbers with as small a neighbourhood as possible")
anyway... ttyl :)
 
There
using C1 = System.Collections.Generic.KeyValuePair<System.Collections.Generic.List<System.Collections.Generic.KeyValuePair<byte, int>>, System.Collections.Generic.KeyValuePair<byte, int>>;
 
If the 70s called, I couldn't answer: I'd be flooded with the cray-cray.
 
9:41 PM
Now it's just a C1 called c10
 
@quartata That is a release. sourceforge.net/p/cjam/code contains the snapshots.
 
Oh.
 
@Geobits Anytime I say to Marky "That's not an answer", he says "okay". Is that a feature or what?
 
Nope.
 
@ETHproductions Just plain consistency.
 
9:49 PM
Now on top of everything else my solution takes too long for n=9. Great.
Well, definitely giving up on that one.
I'm still unclear on how the timing is supposed to work...
 
Are you still working on that?
 
Yea.
q~{_2T#sew:U,,_m*{_~=!\~Ue\U=e&},:V,{0}{T):T}?}g;TV0= works for a given n
Then I realized that's not what the problem wanted.
It looks like it wants it to run forever outputting the powers of two starting from the 1st
Which is kinda weird.
 
I wish we had a Sandbox for Meta posts.
 
Can someone take a screenshot of this?:
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A: Implement a Truth-Machine

user46915APL, 6 bytes →⎕←⍣⍲⎕ Explanation: ⎕ Read the input, then ⎕← write it out ⍣ repeatedly ⍲ until NAND of it with itself becomes true. → Branch to zero to avoid printing the result again.

 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The boxes are supposed to be boxes.
 
9:52 PM
I'm not sure how the code is supposed to look/if I have missing chars.
Oh, cool.
^~^
 
They're called quads.
Whenever some APL code doesn't render correctly, just go to TryAPL.org and paste it. That website has the APL font built in.
 
Welp, I put waaay too much effort into that powers of 2 thing.
Next time I'll learn to not try to answer unclear questions.
I even typed up an explanation... ;_;
 
Imaginary +1 in sympathy from me.
 
*+i
 
Imaginary numbers aren't imaginary, despite what many people seem to think.
 
9:56 PM
I'll be at the top of the complex rep leaderboard in no time
 
@quartata It still astonishes me that the question doesn't have a single close vote. It's unclear to me, but I'm supposed to be an exception handler, addressing only the issues the community cannot handle itself.
 
I VTC'd it.
It would have been a cool challenge if it was just "take n and output the power of two"
 
@quartata V'dTC
 
@mınxomaτ Good catch
 
which question?
 
9:58 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You should find a ridiculously short Jelly program that's relatively common, and use the a "jealous" emoticon
 
I C'd it. (Who needs the VT part anyway?)
 
5
Q: Output the smallest powers of 2 with two identical sub-strings of digits n long

CJ DennisFor each integer n, 0 or higher, output the lowest power of 2 that has two identical sub-strings of n digits in decimal, and the two indices where the digit sub-strings start (0-based). n      Output      Proof (don't output this) 0 => 0 [0 1]        (_1 & 1_) 1 => 16 [0 4]     ...

 

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