The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

11:00 PM

wooo!

are we actually going to get a graduation date that isn't a joke?

Geobits

All kidding aside, I hear it's set for the October/November timeframe.

PhiNotPi

ಠ_ಠ

My face when reading this graduation stuff.

quartata

@PhiNotPi Hey now bugs happen

anOKsquirrel

Your face must hurt then

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits hush you

quartata

11:04 PM

I'm pretty upset that no one found out until now though. It seems like something that would be obvious if someone checked in on PPCG and saw that the A51 stats were higher than the graduation requirements (whatever they are)

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PhiNotPi

To be honest, no algorithm could ever replace a human when it comes to stuff like judging communities.

anOKsquirrel

^

quartata

I'd love it if they could check in on all the SE sites but they just can't

Grace Note

Part of the reason we have an eligibility check is to facilitate human examination

quartata

I'd say that a simple algorithm that flags it for the attention of a human is a good compromise but I have no idea how this works so

Grace Note

11:05 PM

System says "Hey, go look at this!" so that we can go look at that site and make a judgment call.

That's how it's supposed to work, at any rate.

quartata

I see we have a lot of Meta SE visitors

PhiNotPi

A lot? Not really, unless you see a swarm of people I don't.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Sp3000 @DigitalTrauma might want to know whats going on

quartata

@PhiNotPi I counted 4 but one just left :P

Dennis

@MartinBüttner Not trivial. I was going to use length to count the number of iterations, so it would save three bytes over not-sum-flatten-head.

Maltysen

11:08 PM

can someone pin something about this?

Calvin's Hobbies

^

quartata

Wait for an official mod/CM response

That'll get pinned

For now this is just us saying random things and not having a clue what's going on so

Calvin's Hobbies

big news, even if we don't grad right away

Nathan Merrill

bah, this is killing my productivity

PhiNotPi

My productivity is literally negative right now.

El'endia Starman

11:10 PM

@NathanMerrill I planned on doing work with gifs. How much work have I done in the past four hours? Yes, that's right, zero!

Nathan Merrill

@Phi you're making tools that are inefficient?

PhiNotPi

I just exited out of notepad without saving whatever it was.

Calvin's Hobbies

back to curve fever

:(

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill it took me about 40 minutes to watch a 20 min anime episode with all this graduation excitement

PhiNotPi

What is that?

Calvin's Hobbies

11:14 PM

snake game

El'endia Starman

Well, I'd call it Tron-like.

Calvin's Hobbies

oops I refreshed, did the game quit?

PhiNotPi

yes

Calvin's Hobbies

once more: curvefever.com/…

El'endia Starman

ah, fine, I'll play

Sp3000

11:18 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies Waitwhat

Calvin's Hobbies

see starboard

Sp3000

Mobile :/

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies I can't join?

Calvin's Hobbies

No? hmm

curvefever.com/…

Phi and maty did

El'endia Starman

Nope, still won't let me join.

PhiNotPi

11:20 PM

try going to the tutorial screen and exiting out of it

Martin Büttner

@GraceNote while you're here. If this graduation thing is actually ever going to happen, can we at some point talk about what exactly graduation means for PPCG? I realise SE isn't going to expend much dev effort he unless we get really big, but maybe we could stop pretending being a Q&A site when the beta label comes off?

PhiNotPi

I saw a board with current games, with ppcg listed

The password being ppcg

Calvin's Hobbies

mhmm

El'endia Starman

that worked

Grace Note

@MartinBüttner Define how you would "stop pretending to be a Q&A site"

If this is about rep rewards for questions being bumped to +10, that's not happening on an individual basis for Code Golf alone. If that were to happen, it'd be a network-wide change.

(I've had a longer post to address something on your Meta about that for some time but kinda got destroyed when Community Ads came out)

Nathan Merrill

11:24 PM

what do you mean by network-wide change?

all questions are +10?

or that its custom for all sites?

Grace Note

All questions worth +10

quartata

@GraceNote Why? It is something that can be done on a per-site basis, right?

Martin Büttner

@GraceNote have a look at the tour page. 90% of that doesn't make sense here (and customising the first paragraph isn't going to fix it). Same goes for two thirds of the help centre. And bounty reasons. And close reasons. And some other things.

quartata

@MartinBüttner I thought mods could edit close reasons.

Martin Büttner

A new user reading any of that is being told this is a place to receive help with problems they have.

@quartata only a few of them

Grace Note

11:27 PM

@quartata Only in the sense that it can exist mechanically but on an actual application basis it's not happening on a per-site basis.

Calvin's Hobbies

curvefever.com/… anyone else wanna join?

quartata

@GraceNote Hmm OK

Grace Note

@MartinBüttner Do you have an organized meta post defining all the components that could potentially be changed to address this?

Martin Büttner

I have several pages of texts around the site that don't really apply here, which I'm meaning to turn into feature requests soonish. But yeah, the gist is, the entire page is telling new users to so things they shouldn't do here.

I'll let you know when I do that.

Grace Note

If yes, point me at it and I can be sure the right people can get a look at it. If not, get one started, then point me at it and I can be sure the right people can get a look at it.

Martin Büttner

11:29 PM

Will do, thanks.

quartata

I think the only section that needs to be edited is the "Get answers to practical, detailed questions" section

Martin Büttner

(Tomorrow... hopefully)

quartata

That for sure is misleading

> Focus on questions about an actual problem you have faced. Include details about what you have tried and exactly what you are trying to do.

Martin Büttner

@quartata you haven't seen my list :P

quartata

@MartinBüttner oh boy

Anyways that was just my two cents. The rest of the tour is mostly explaining how rep and badges work so

The beginning is the most misleading

@GraceNote By the way, will we get some sort of comprehensive response as to what's happening on our beta status question soon?

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Q: Hey Stack Exchange, how are we doing?

The last time we heard from a Stack Exchange community manager was in March of 2014, when Grace Note came to talk to us about the progress we've made as a site. That was back when code-trolling was a thing, and the community's response to the news wasn't particularly positive given how code troll...

Grace Note

11:32 PM

@quartata When I get some answers as to what happened, yes

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quartata

k

Not asking for one right now obviously, just wondering if we'll get one soon :P

Thanks for popping in and answering some of our questions and stuff

El'endia Starman

Agreed.

Grace Note

No porb

PhiNotPi

I just rekt somebody on that snake game.

Calvin's Hobbies

you beat me by 2 points, thats not rekt

PhiNotPi

11:36 PM

> rekt

El'endia Starman

Haha, both times I played, I did beat everyone by a substantial margin.

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman curvefever.com/…

PhiNotPi

I actually need to leave now.

quartata

OK so I finally uninstalled Conor's userscript and tried out @Downgoat userscript and I have to admit that it is really shiny

I don't know what will happen with our design but I hope it is similar to this

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata we need to make sure the designers are aware of it

El'endia Starman

11:43 PM

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A: Determine the depth of an array

Minkolang 0.15, 31 bytes $I["\"o-d$~1`2&+!xdz`,3&d$z]zN. Try it here! Explanation Essentially, what this code does is keep a running total with +1 for each [ and -1 for each ], keeping track of the maximum value reached, outputting that maximum at the end. $I ...

PhiNotPi

> We stand for question equality, we stand for recognition of the great Challenge-Writers, we stand for loyalty and devotion to the cause of competitive programming. We will not rest until justice has prevailed. We are... the Knights of the +10.

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Calvin's Hobbies

So no chance of +10?

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies It seems unlikely. It doesn't make much sense for it to be a global thing, and Grace just said that SE isn't going to give it to us on a per-site basis so

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. should know

Maltysen

didn't someone say that +10 questions happened to stackapps?

Calvin's Hobbies

11:47 PM

Alex

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Q: Increase reputation awarded for questions

It has come to my attention that the amount of reputation awarded for questions can be adjusted on a per-site basis. For example, Stack Apps awards +10 reputation for question upvotes. As you probably already know, we currently award +5 reputation, as do most Stack Exchange sites, including Stack...

feature-request questions reputation

quartata

@Maltysen Yes.

StackApps is.... special.

Calvin's Hobbies

no rep doubling for me I guess :(

@quartata and alex-is-wrong

Digital Trauma

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