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6:00 PM
ActiveState Perl is traditionally the way to go for Perl on Windows
What would Perl++ look like?
Anybody know of a famous quote where the length in bytes is a power of two?
@wizzwizz4 The idea is that Perl 6 is Perl++, but they made it super weird
Stricter syntax, funny unicode "French" character junk, etc.
6:01 PM
@shelvacu That is an oddly specific question.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ lol
Yes it is.
With or without quotes.
"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this"
Its like a little bit of the quote
idk if that counts
6:03 PM
@FlagAsSpam Hm, I don’t have Mono installed, do you think it’s worth the effort to try and debug this?
I could do that with any quote though\
@shelvacu Perhaps there are some Shakespeare quotes of that specific length requirement.
@Timwi It's because Mono doesn't have System.Windows type display.
I'm using Mac, so it wouldn't be accessible anyways.
@FlagAsSpam use Wine
@quartata No.
6:04 PM
How does that cause Out Of Memory though?
I'm gonna use a virtual machine. :P
@FlagAsSpam yes
@FlagAsSpam no
@Timwi It can't find RT.Util.
@FlagAsSpam: I don’t understand your response. At any rate, I just checked the source and the only thing that uses WPF is RT.Util; Esoteric IDE itself only uses WinForms, which Mono supports.
I have a question with a link to the complete works of Shakespeare, if anybody wants it.
Condition: You have to look at the question and answers before looking at Shakespeare.
6:05 PM
Hmm this is tricky
A: Angle between the hands on a clock

NakilonI'll make just an analyze: Assuming that we've already splited incoming string into two 2-chars substring, and converted them into Integers, let them be H and M. Lets measure angles in units equal to [ 0 .. 12*60 ] as they are the smallest we need. Minute hand will be at [ MA = (12 * 60) / 60 *...

@Timwi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no clue what's going on, man. I don't use C#.
Aha! After a little more searching, “Carpe diem. Seize the day, boys.” without quotes is 32
@Doorknob This is not an answer, but it is very high quality and can't be converted into a comment.
@shelvacu whatcha using this for?
@shelvacu Why do you want it anyway?
@FlagAsSpam: I can help you, but I’ll need to know more about the actual error that’s happening. Do you get a compile-time error or a run-time error? Can you paste the error message here?
6:06 PM
@quartata This was posted 4 years ago...
@FlagAsSpam So?
@FlagAsSpam: Alternatively I can compile it myself and send you the executable and you can see if you can run it in Mono?
I want to show it in binary for an educational video, and I really wanted it to be "square" if that makes sense
xbuild EsotericIDE.sln
XBuild Engine Version 12.0
Mono, Version
Copyright (C) 2005-2013 Various Mono authors

Build started 1/10/2016 1:17:17 PM.
Project "/private/var/vtcakavsmoace/Downloads/EsotericIDE-master/EsotericIDE.sln" (default target(s)):
	Target ValidateSolutionConfiguration:
		Building solution configuration "Debug|Any CPU".
	Target Build:
		Project "/private/var/vtcakavsmoace/Downloads/EsotericIDE-master/Src/EsotericIDE.csproj" (default target(s)):
I have a question with a link to the complete works of Shakespeare, if anybody wants it.
Condition: You have to look at the question and answers before looking at Shakespeare.
6:07 PM
@shelvacu Ah, interesting.
Not sure why you came to PPCG for that considering we're aggressively unhelpful, but looks like it turned out OK :P
mcs Mainform.cs
Mainform.cs(3,14): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `Drawing' does not exist in the namespace `System'. Are you missing `System.Drawing' assembly reference?
Mainform.cs(7,22): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `Forms' does not exist in the namespace `System.Windows'. Are you missing `System.Windows.Forms' assembly reference?
Mainform.cs(8,7): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `RT' could not be found. Are you missing an assembly reference?
Mainform.cs(9,7): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `RT' could not be found. Are you missing an assembly refe
I figured if anyone would take the challenge it would be PPCG people
>grep -lR "Main" .
>mcs Mainform.Designer.cs
Mainform.Designer.cs(14,33): error CS0115: `EsotericIDE.Mainform.Dispose(bool)' is marked as an override but no suitable method found to override
Mainform.Designer.cs(560,32): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `Forms' does not exist in the namespace `System.Windows'. Are you missing `System.Windows.Forms' assembly reference?
can you pastebin some of this?
That was it. xD
6:09 PM
Oh OK.
@shelvacu Yes. I agree. Quartata is wrong about us.
@FlagAsSpam: As for the first one, I confess I’m stumped at this error.
I only ask because I don't want chat to be walls of text like this
Chat shouldn't be walls of text. It should be walls of INFOBOX!!!
@FlagAsSpam: As for the second one, you can’t compile a single source file in isolation. You have to compile all of them together, and you need to reference the correct dependencies. This is usually what the .csproj is for (it has all that information in it).
6:10 PM
That's the last one. :P
Hey, I didn't know dmckee was a mod on Physics SE.
@FlagAsSpam: How about I send you the executable?
@Timwi I'm on OS X, so it won't work.
Unless I download it on my Windows 10 VB.
@FlagAsSpam It should if you run it with mono
Alrighty. :P
6:11 PM
@quartata No.
@FlagAsSpam: clowd.ca/u/1l4
@quartata For a while now :)
@mınxomaτ It will.
I do this with .NET apps all the time on Linux.
@quartata Evidently it does not. We tried that earlier. Forms and them some.
6:12 PM
? huh
@Seadrus Your "Best of PPCG" nomination, the Jolf answer, was posted on January 1, so I think it's technically not eligible.
Must be something specific to Esoteric IDE
@Zgarb Was that when it was posted in UTC time?
Something witty.
@quartata I know what Mono does ಠ_ಠ. But Mono only supports a tiny fraction of Forms and Drawing, since both are neither Open-Source nor part of the ECMA standard.
I know that Windows Forms works under Mono because I ran Expert Sokoban in it (quite a while ago when Mono was still fairly new) and it worked more or less without a problem
6:14 PM
@quartata Not sure actually. For me it says "answered Jan 1 at 21:52".
@mınxomaτ: They’re open-source now... :)
@Zgarb I could see something posting before 12:00pm UTC being allowed through as still technically 2015 in some timezones, but that one wasn't 2015 anywhere in the world, so it seems safe to exclude it
@mınxomaτ Windows Forms works pretty well in Mono (hence why Mono is in fear of getting nuked by Microsoft)
It must be something obscure
I repeat: We tried that earlier. Read the chat transcript.
@Zgarb I'm pretty sure that's the UTC time - says the same for me here in UTC
6:15 PM
@trichoplax Ok, in that case it was still 2015 in a couple of timezones.
@FlagAsSpam Any luck with the executable?
No, wait.
Was it? Timezones always confuse me.
@PhiNotPi What are you using to construct these?
@Zgarb Time zones seem to go from -12 to +14, so past 9pm seems definitely 2016 in any timezone
I'm planning on making such a simulator with D3 today.
6:17 PM
@El'endiaStarman D3?
A CA simulator?
@Timwi Trying to shove it into the virtual machine, gimme a moment. c:
Great. Now I have to go out and buy D3 glasses
@trichoplax Right, thanks. Then it's not eligible.
@FlagAsSpam: Ah, well, if you’re running actual Windows in the VM, then it’ll most definitely work (all you need is .NET 4.0 installed, but Windows 7 and later come with that I think)
6:18 PM
@trichoplax No. Everyone knows that the world is divided into 32 timezones, ranging from -16 to 15
@zyabin101 D3.js, where "D3" stands for "Data Driven Documents". It's a JavaScript library that I used for the graphical stuff of this.
@PhiNotPi Yeah.
Does anyone know if github allows me to have downloads of the executable so that people don’t need to compile the code?
I think it shouldn't be all that hard.
I was just using some online tool... but it doesn't matter too much because the crossing was totally broken.
@Timwi Yeah, perfect. :D
6:19 PM
Certainly easier than Spacewar!...
@Timwi Zip it?
@Timwi Yes. Make a release.
You can attach binaries to releases: github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software
@wizzwizz4 If you have a source for that, you might like to update the list on Wikipedia... Oh wait that was a base 2 joke, wasn't it??
@PhiNotPi What were you using?
Something that turned images into gifs.
6:22 PM
Ah, but what were you using for the CA simulation?
My mind. Classic style.
Ah, nice. :P
Since different cells have different rules, pencil&paper was easiest.
Yeah, well, I feel like it should be easy for me to make it easy to incorporate multiple rules (and with different colors too). I'll start work on it soon.
6:24 PM
What would be useful to me is a graphical tool where I can have a "palette" of different cell types.
I think I was already planning on something like that.
Hey, is there an Esoteric programming language based on OEIS sequences?
If not, there should be.
Oh, and, I don't know if I mentioned it already, but I have formally requested endorsement from my school (esp. the CS teachers) for the Mornington Crescent "Hello, World!" run.
@DanTheMan I'd like to see addition of two numbers and primality testing. :P
@DanTheMan There should be an OEIS sequence based on Esoteric programming languages!
6:26 PM
@FlagAsSpam So you're gonna do it in real life? :D
If they approve it.
@FlagAsSpam I’ve always been thinking someone should do that!
@El'endiaStarman I'm going to do it regardless - it's just a question of whether or not I'll have professional recording equipment.
Sorry I'missed on mobile.
@FlagAsSpam Ah, cool.
And my autocorrect is broken.
6:27 PM
@PhiNotPi You have the unneccessary '.
@El'endiaStarman Addition of two numbers would be easy, just add, and for primality testing you'd just have to search through the sequences of the prime and composite numbers.
@Timwi How do I run Mornington Crescent code?
I can only do BF, right now.
@FlagAsSpam: The drop-down in the top right.
(Ctrl+Alt+L is the shortcut for it)
Ah, thanks.
(You should look through the menus to get an idea of all the options there are)
(Especially if you think some font is off — you can change all the fonts and sizes)
6:29 PM
Okay. :D
Who wants to randomly change the subject?
@wizzwizz4: Please input an array of subjects for me to choose from by random
Is it possible to breakpoint every line of code and monitor the accumulator?
@Zgarb Could you consider choosing an accepted answer for your "Visualize the greatest common divisor" question? :3
@FlagAsSpam: You can step through with F10. You can also set breakpoints everywhere if you want (they are listed under the “Breakpoints” tab but are otherwise invisible).
6:31 PM
@Timwi How do I provide the input?
@El'endiaStarman Did I tell you what I was working on CAs for?
@zyabin101: Standard loopholes apply.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Sure. :D I usually accept in batches about once a month, and that one is already overdue.
@Timwi Ah, okay. I'll just fadangle with this as far as I can, I'll ask if anything else pops up. Thank you so much. :P I want to have a point-by-point of this code running as I go through the stations.
6:32 PM
@Timwi In which format do I provide the input?
@zyabin101: PDF?... I don’t know :)
@zyabin101 did you see my comment about your markup challenge?
It's too late to change the rules
But something to think about
@PhiNotPi Tetris in GoL, right?
@Zgarb Oops.
6:35 PM
ill find another one
@DanTheMan Yeah, but those sequences are not infinite...
@El'endiaStarman If he can do it I'll probably give him a bounty
Crazy stuff
<- Star this if you want quartata to change back to the avatar that actually made sense.
hell no
@El'endiaStarman Good point. I will ponder this.
6:36 PM
I'm keeping this avatar just to confuse scrubs like you
@PhiNotPi Use the following arrow:
@PhiNotPi cursor hovers over cancel stars
Oh wait I can't do that here
Or @Seadrus's avatar
And also address @quartata
You know stars are a terrible way of measuring community consensus
6:38 PM
What's the policy about answers that you can't prove correct or incorrect?
← Star this if you want stars to be a good way of measuring community consensus
Stars aren't deterministic for sure
@KSFT linky?
@zyabin101 ?
6:39 PM
@KSFT Oh that sort of thing
it isn't one of those "solve the problem correctly if P=NP" languages
@zyabin101 Well I mean it is Python
So arbitrary size
@KSFT If it works for small inputs it is probably ok
I know it works up to 12
That's good enough.
6:41 PM
okay, good
@Ampora wat
@quartata I'm pretty sure his reasoning of pixels -> metapixels -> wires and gates -> logic circuits -> computer is sound. So...it's only a matter of time and work... :P
@El'endiaStarman Sure but I still think the time and work should be rewarded
And I'm not entirely convinced he has the DETERMINATION
@quartata I'd agree with that. :P
@KSFT It supports 999...999 (380 nines in a row)! Verified by @zyabin101!
6:46 PM
tell application "System Events"
	delay 5
	repeat 100 times
		key code 101
		delay 0.5
		key code 125
		delay 0.5
	end repeat
end tell
^ I just made an AppleScript to automate breakpoints in Mornington Crescent.
What am I doing to myself?
-1, doesn't look golfed
@Ampora That's because ScriptEditor autocompletes. It started out like:
tell app"System Events"
delay 5
repeat 100
key code 101
delay .5
key code 125
delay .5
Who actually wants autocomplete?
Because it shortens code vastly.
@FlagAsSpam It lengthens code vastly!
6:49 PM
@wizzwizz4 He means what he has to type
Don't use those statistics on me! It ain't gonna work!
I'm just explaining to you what he meant...
I didn't say I agreed
I thought I'd change the conversation.
Just a little.
Now we all have an argument about statistics, and I'll finally manage to engineer a situation where I can publicise my question without somebody getting in their first and ruining the moment!
I have this great question I'd like to talk about at length...
@trichoplax Let's do that!
6:53 PM
I was joking - what's yours?
Q: Split a Shakespeare Script

wizzwizz4Mr. William Shakespeare wrote plays. A lot of plays. In this tarball containing every single one of his works, each one of his plays is one long file. It needs to be split into Scenes for a stage production. Because actors are impatient, your code needs to be as short as possible. Task: Your ta...

Alright bai people
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Having fun with Perl? :P
6:55 PM
Tell me or Dork Noob if you have any questions
Could someone take a look at my JS implementation of ImageBlender (from Flip It, Flop It, Average It)?
Something's wrong but for the life of me I can't figure out what
I just tried a VS Extension that claims to auto-migrate VB to C#. All it did was place the original VB code in new files with an .cs extension ಠ_ಠ
7:13 PM
This just finished processing, so it's a little blurry, but here:
Cool! :)
@mınxomaτ lmao
@zyabin101 what does?
@ZachGates fixed it
made a stupid mistake
7:27 PM
@ZachGates The source of 80% of bugs.
@El'endiaStarman True
@El'endiaStarman The other 20% are actual bugs inside your computer.
Damn those cocky cockroaches.
> cocky cockroaches
You did that on purpose, didn't you.
@wizzwizz4 thanks for clarifying. That's how I think everybody should do it, but I've seen disagreement in the past. Maybe we should have a meta post to refer to?
7:36 PM
License plate a former teacher spotted: PANDNH4
@trichoplax Sorry I took so long. My computer crashed. (Windows 10, before you ask)
@wizzwizz4 - spotted this on Facebook. ^
A: Symbolic Differentiation of Polynomials

Martin BüttnerRetina, 53 43 42 41 40 35 bytes ^[^x]+ |(\^1)?\w(?=1*x.(1+)| |$) $2 For counting purposes each line goes in a separate file, but you can run the above as a single file by invoking Retina with the -s flag. This expects the numbers in the input string to be given in unary and will yield output ...

@El'endiaStarman Woah. That's so good, I'll include it in the question!
I still can't believe Retina won this
One shudders to imagine what hideous things Martin did to Retina to make it win challenges...
7:39 PM
@wizzwizz4 ...there's no point to that.
@El'endiaStarman I suppose.
/me closes edit page
@El'endiaStarman source
@KSFT This code by @Dennis is verified by me to support 380 nines in a row!
@mınxomaτ awesome
@zyabin101 That's a link to 2spooky4me...
7:43 PM
@quartata Give it the input 1e999.
@quartata oh thanks. I've been looking for challenges that Retina won, but I only found ones where either a) no golfing languages participated, b) the solution was too trivial to be an interesting showcase or c) it wasn't very competitive.
although I guess with a single substitution that's not a great showcase either
@wizzwizz4 Right but that had nothing to do with what KSFT was talking about
@MartinBüttner Well it is still a challenge, and your explanation is cool.
Why are you assembling a Retina showcase?
Resume? ;)
@wizzwizz4 That returns 1e999spooky1e999me for me. But an input of any amount of 9s returns 999...999spooky100...001me.
@quartata [Fixed](http:\\jelly.tryitonline.net/#code=MCwyK8W84oCcw5fCpVjigJzFgGDCuw&inpu‌​t=&args=OTk5OTk5OTk5OTk5 ...a lot of OTk5... OTk)
7:48 PM
Even a few thousand 9's (!)
@quartata I'm just trying to find one good showcase answer... considering a self-nomination for most promising golfing language (not that I have a chance against Jelly, but the few things it does, it does really well I think)
@zyabin101 You have to encode URLs.
@MartinBüttner Ah.
Well, I can think of a couple interesting Retina answers to show:
A: Retina or Trash?

Martin BüttnerRetina, 530 220 210 202 201 193 191 187 185 (184) bytes Credits to randomra for saving 3 bytes! (And paving the way for a couple more.) +`\.(\d)(.+)( .+) $1.$2_$3_ \b # +`(\d*)#((((((((((9)|8)|7)|6)|5)|4)|3)|2)|1)|\w) $1$1$1$1$1$1$1$1$1$1$3$4$5$6$7$8$9$10$11# \d 11 (?=(1*)\1)[^.] $1 ^(1+)\.\1{9...

Do they have to be winners?
The link is too large to fit in a chat message so here's an explosively short link that fits.
@quartata yeah, but doesn't really show that it's useful for golfing :P
7:49 PM
Fair enough.
@FlagAsSpam I'd suggest WEBM (and hosing on webm.land), cause the video can take the actual dimensions. You can use cloudconvert.com to convert. It's what I used for this answer.
my favourite might be codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/65744/8478 but that challenge doesn't have CJam or Pyth answers
This is a straight-forward one:
A: Convert a string to its Rövarspråket equivalent

Martin BüttnerRetina, 14 + 5 = 19 bytes Retina is a language that is essentially just .NET regex with as little overhead as possible. The code for this program consists of two files: i`[b-z-[eiou]] $0o$0 This reads the input on STDIN and prints the output to STDOUT. If you call the files pattern.rgx a...

(that one's actually quite fun... I implemented a backtracking search in Retina for that)
But it did outgolf Pyth, CJam and Perl so maybe of note
7:51 PM
I was also considerung codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/67244/8478 ... it's only beaten by Pyth
A: Complementary colors

NinjaBearMonkeyRetina, 13 10 bytes T`w`G-A9-0 There are three parts to the code, separated by backticks (`): T specifies transliterate mode, which replaces each character in the second part with its corresponding character in the third part. w is the same as traditional regex's \w, or _0-9A-Za-z, which is e...

I know it isn't by you :P
But it seems to be only beaten by Pyth which is nice
@quartata oh I don't mind that
A: Why was 6 afraid of 7?

Digital TraumaRetina, 12 Translation of the sed answer: 6*7(6|89)* 7 Try it online

Not a terrible tricky one but pretty good
I think that complementary colors one and the symbolic differentiation one are the best so far
hm, maybe one of those very simple ones is actually a good idea. because Retina's main design goal is not to get between you and a regex if a regex is all that's needed to solve a challenge.
7:58 PM
also, according to Doorknob's stats, Retina is actually the most-used esolang from 2015 o.O
You know I hate to say it but I can't find any other ones where you've won with Pyth/CJam answers :P
Retina answers are so cool but they aren't always golfy
@MartinBüttner really? huh
I'd think Japt would be the most used.
@isaacg could you try to beat this? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/65744/8478
Don't taunt him :P

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