The Nineteenth Byte

SuperJedi224

12:00 AM

But each cell is 1x2 blocks

Can't over HTTPS :(

Good night guys.

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Anyways that's the current consensus on disallowing languages

Alex A.

@Quill I should have just bought the box set of Friends. Instead I bought all ten seasons separately.

Zizouz212

12:00 AM

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Q: Disallowing Explicit Exclusion of Languages

We've had discussion on a related topic before, where the general consensus is that challenges should be language-agnostic by default, but specific-language challenges were also acceptable within reason. Spurred by this question (which was closed for an unrelated reason), the discussion was brou...

SuperJedi224

I was going to do 2x2, I don't remember why I changed it

quartata

It depends
I think there are (at least) two very different cases, and the question as posed doesn't distinguish them.

Case 1: banning languages the OP doesn't like
Penalties for using "golfing languages" have a number of problems. For one, the question "Is XYZ a golfing language?" is subjective. For another, borrowing from a phrase about bringing a knife to a gunfight, on this site it's like going to a rifle range and insisting that people should use epées.

Case 2: banning a specific language which trivialises the question

SuperJedi224

Anyway:

Quill

@AlexA. that's kind of the point of a box set

Zizouz212

Hmmm...

Alex A.

12:01 AM

@Quill I know. I think I bought them before I knew such a set existed.

quartata

@Zizouz212 What's your challenge?

Alex A.

Keep quartatertots safe from tornadoes

quartata

:P

I'm safe, don't worry.

Alex A.

Okay. I am genuinely concerned so I'm glad to hear you're safe.

quartata

The tornado warning was canceled so

It was just amusing that we got one honestly

Hosch250

12:03 AM

I've never seen a tornado. I want to chase storms when I'm older.

quartata

The idea of a tornado in California is very novel, to say the least

@Hosch250 Protip: Don't

Hosch250

BTW, those are only issued when one is seen.

Alex A.

@Hosch250 I want to run from storms always.

Hosch250

I love storms. They are wild, they have a power that I admire.

trichoplax

@SuperJedi224 I have 2^21 ideas to run past you...

Alex A.

12:04 AM

@quartata I could maybe imagine it happening east of the Sierras but idk.

SuperJedi224

I'd need a much larger display

I don't really want to build one right now

quartata

@Hosch250 They can also kill you

So you might want to weigh those options

Hosch250

@quartata That is the least of my worries.

Quill

in The 2nd Monitor, 5 mins ago, by Phrancis

Although, you'd have to define "passing" Code Review... guess not being VTC?

Hosch250

Especially when you do it safely, but I'm not worried either way.

Zizouz212

12:05 AM

Python, Java, C/++/#, Pearl, Ruby, Javascript, HTML/CSS (if people could even use that), Rails, Swift, Fortran, Cobol, Bash, R, Julia, J, APL... Anything else?

SuperJedi224

The circuitry behind this one already looks like this:

Hosch250

I can get a CR mod to post in VBA, maybe.

@Hosch250 Mat's Mug?

Yeah.

I like that guy. :)

12:06 AM

@Zizouz212 Bash

Hosch250

@AlexA. Me too. I've learned a lot from him.

@Zizouz212 Pyth/CJam.

Zizouz212

@Hosch250 Eww

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Julia, R, Java, ...

quartata

I think I better language list would be this: tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Disallowing those will get people so salty

quartata

12:07 AM

^

Quill

basically anything you can apply for a job in

grc

@Zizouz212 J

Zizouz212

@AlexA. That's fine. :D

Phrancis

Hey :)

quartata

prepare for salt @Zizouz212

@Phrancis Hello

Phrancis

12:08 AM

Whoa, beta look again (just teasing)

Alex A.

@Hosch250 He provided two answers to my CR question that got me gold. Nice guy and very helpful.

quartata

I see you are from CR

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 APL

Phrancis

2 mins ago, by Quill

in The 2nd Monitor, 5 mins ago, by Phrancis

Although, you'd have to define "passing" Code Review... guess not being VTC?

^^ yes

quartata

ಠ_ಠ

Phrancis

12:09 AM

I was just curious to see if you were really going to do that

Zizouz212

Python, Java, C/++/#, Pearl, Ruby, Javascript, HTML/CSS (if people could even use that), Rails, Swift, Fortran, Cobol, Bash, R, Julia, J, APL... Anything else?

quartata

@Zizouz212 Just use this: tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

Hosch250

@Zizouz212 You forget VBA, VB.NET, and others.

Zizouz212

@quartata Oh nice. Thanks :)

quartata

@Phrancis Anyone who did that would get kicked out of the Nineteenth Byte. We do not mingle with you plebian code reviewers

Hosch250

12:10 AM

BTW, can I post an entry in C#, then translate it to VB.NET and resubmit it?

quartata

@Hosch250 yes

People translate between python and pyth all the time

Hosch250

OK. I'm not likely to do that, but just curious.

Alex A.

@Phrancis Btw, welcome to The Nineteenth Byte! We're not as hostile toward Code Review as we sound. hides knife

Hosch250

I mean, I could have two, essentially identical submissions at the same time?

grc

@quartata they also get downvoted

Alex A.

12:11 AM

I don't see that happen much

Hosch250

I won't do it. It seems cheaty.

quartata

@grc I've never seen that happen.

Here, lemme show you:

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Is your intent to disallow golfing languages? What's the purpose of this language whitelist of yours?

quartata

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A: Alex-style Addition

Pyth, 11 bytes +sQ-18l`hO0 A direct Pyth port of my Python answer. + Add up sQ the sum of the input and - the difference of 18 18 and l` the string length of hO0 one plus a random number in [0,1)

no downvotes

Phrancis

@quartata Hey, don't get me wrong, I think it could be fun, personally; but I've seen golfed code questions get heavily DV/VTC on CR, and any answers will usually point out first and foremost "Make your code better by not golfing it"

trichoplax

12:12 AM

@Phrancis I was thinking more "no improvements are suggested"

Zizouz212

Python, C, C++, C#, PHP, .NET, VB.NET, VBA, Javascript, Assembly, Perl, Ruby, Swift, Visual Basic, Matlab, Pascal, Groovy, Objective C, R, J, Julia, APL, Rails, HTML/CSS, APL, Fortran, Cobol, Rails, SQL, Lisp, Lua, Haskell, Bash, Applescript...

trichoplax

So it's as short as possible while still being perfectly readable and standards compliant

quartata

@Phrancis That's why we try to avoid mingling with you

Zizouz212

@AlexA. Yep. :)

Alex A.

@Phrancis Isn't code golf explicitly off topic on Code Review anyway though?

quartata

12:13 AM

Relevant:

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A: The Many Memes of PPCG

Meme: Code Review Originator: unclear / syb0rg? Cultural Height: up to CR's graduation :( Background: Ever since around March of 2014, Programming Puzzles & Code Golf and Code Review have had a friendly rivalry of who could graduate first (which has expanded to become a friendly rivalry in gen...

Phrancis

@AlexA. It's one of those grey areas

grc

@quartata I had porting someone else's answer in mind

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 In that case, it'd be way easier to build a list of languages you don't want.

grc

also, it didn't get upvoted much

quartata

@grc Ah.

@AlexA. I think TIOBE top 100 is a fairly decent whitelist

Zizouz212

12:14 AM

@AlexA. Ummm... I don't think I would do that :/

quartata

@AlexA. More esolangs than you think

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Why not?

Hosch250

List of programming languages

The aim of this list of programming languages is to include all notable programming languages in existence, both those in current use and historical ones, in alphabetical order, except for dialects of BASIC and esoteric programming languages. Note: Dialects of BASIC have been moved to the separate List of BASIC dialects. Note: This page does not list esoteric programming languages. == A == == B == == C == == D == == E == == F == == G == == H == == I == == J == == K == == L == == M == == N == == O == == P == == Q == == R == == S == == T == == U == ...

Esoteric programming language

An esoteric programming language (sometimes shortened to esolang) is a programming language designed to test the boundaries of computer programming language design, as a proof of concept, as software art, or as a joke. The use of esoteric distinguishes these languages from programming languages that working developers use to write software. Usually, an esolang's creators do not intend the language to be used for mainstream programming, although some esoteric features, such as visuospatial syntax, have inspired practical applications in the arts. Such languages are often popular among hackers and...

Zizouz212

@AlexA. The list would be too long, and someone will get around with a language I don't know.

I'm against these 'esolangs'