The Nineteenth Byte

RikerW

12:00 AM

Yes, but golfier.

isaacg

Posting in the Pyth chat also works if you want to give suggestions

RikerW

Okay.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@isaacg Hi! I've had a question about Pyth for a while. Reading the herokuapp descriptions, I cannot find a way to form an array literal. Is this possible in Pyth?

Alex A.

[

isaacg

Yeah - it's [

RikerW

12:01 AM

ninjaed each other. :P

isaacg

Since arrays can be arbitrarily long, you'll need to end it with ) if you want other code after that

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Huh. I tried that and I got [1.[2.[3]]]

IIRC

isaacg

A single [

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

[1,2,3,4)

isaacg

There's no separators

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:02 AM

Ohh

isaacg

No commas

You'll need spaces, though

umm

so [1 2 3 4 5)?

Oh, okay

Or else it'll think it's one number

But if it was anything but numbers, no spaces either

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:04 AM

[1 4 6) doesn't do [1, ,4, , ,6]?

Or is that not Python

isaacg

No

2

The spaces are just to separate numbers

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

Sorry, Pyth noob

isaacg

If you want actual strings consisting of spaces, use d

IT's OK

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@isaacg thanks

Fun fact: I created Jolf because I didn't know how to make an array literal in Pyth :P

Alex A.

@isaacg So emphatic

IT IS ALRIGHT CONOR DO NOT BE AFRAID ISAAC IS HERE FOR YOU

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:07 AM

@AlexA. yay! \o/

Cyoce

12:36 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I just answered the Char Value Calculator question and my answer is very similar to Jolf's.

Convergent evolution?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Huh!

@Cyoce Maybe...

I kinda want to write a PlatyPar to Jolf converter

Just to see what happens

Cyoce

Might be a little difficult

If I understand correctly Jolf uses variables whereas PlatyPar uses a stack

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That's why it'll be fun

Cyoce

Then have fun

BlockCoder1392

Hello 476

Cyoce

12:42 AM

476?

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:07 AM

Someone want to help me with repl.it/Bbtv/0 and repl.it/Bbtw/0? Both return different outputs, and the C output is the correct one. (Translated from C to JS.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'll try :P

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

thx

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So....

Explain to me which is which?

oh wait nvm

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Any idea as to what a[52514] does? I'm baffled.

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

Creates an array of length 52514.

(Thanks to quartata for telling me that!)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh.

That's weird.

Is that the desired digit count, or something?

Only 15k digits are made

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:20 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm not too sure either... cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/spigot.pdf is where I got it from.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Hm. Maybe I could make sense of the maths.

52514 apx. pi ^ 9.5

hmmmm

> `printf`
> If successful, the total number of characters written is returned. On failure, a negative number is returned.

That's what h is

console.log returns undefined, afaik

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

Oh... darnit!

Good catch!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So, (h?a[b]:f/5) would be "If successful and if not zero chars were printed, return a[b], otherwise f/5"

Thanks ^_^

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

suggestions for a fix/polyfill?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

a=new Array(c=52514);for(;b=c-=14;console.log(h=("000"+(e+d/f)).length))for(e=d%=f;g=--b*2;d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;

My attempt at a direct translation, using your padding zero technique

Not sure if it works

wait

forgot f

d is never defined in the C source

wait I lie

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:33 AM

It is, but since it's declared in the global scope, it's predefined to 0.

Same with h.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ohhhh

cool!

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

Yeah, I should really learn C.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Don't.

It's hardly used anymore iirc

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

True...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

a=new Array(c=52514);f=1e4;for(d=h=0;b=c-=14;console.log(h=("000"+(e+d/f)).length))for(e=d%=f;g=--b*2;d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;
VM161:2 21
3VM161:2 20
VM161:2 21
2VM161:2 20
VM161:2 19
6VM161:2 20
2VM161:2 21
VM161:2 20
VM161:2 19
VM161:2 21
7VM161:2 20
VM161:2 21
9VM161:2 20

Results from console.log on chrome

OH SHOOT MADE A MISTAKE

New Main Posts

1:37 AM

0

Q: A 4x4 Challenge

A while back, I created a simple brain game called Enumerate (based on Takuzu). Your challenge is to play this game. Task Solve a game of 4x4 Enumerate. Receive a starting grid via STDIN or command line. Output the solved grid via STDOUT or writing to file. Rules There must be the sam...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think it's working :D

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ This doesn't return digits of pi, tho

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3 mins ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

OH SHOOT MADE A MISTAKE

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

Oh nvm

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ CODE PLZ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

a=new Array(c=52514);f=1e4;for(d=h=0;b=c-=14;h=("000"+(e+d/f)).length,console.log("000"+(e+d/f)))for(e=d%=f;g=--b*2;d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;

That doesn't return the result either

It's consoled to the log

You'd have to (a) remove the zero padding part (b) append h to a string

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:41 AM

No, it should log the digits.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

0003141.5926535897934
VM80:2 0005928.335875768815
VM80:2 0008002.038567049946
VM80:2 0002603.199601654043
VM80:2 0001161.4491909277363
VM80:2 0009662.246514936365
VM80:2 0008988.612783784425
VM80:2 0005865.38922090756
VM80:2 000173.6188309484822
VM80:2 0006189.632422508544
VM80:2 0008150.344344050989
VM80:2 0009223.217958908806
VM80:2 0002808.194364243771
VM80:2 0007982.897394857567
VM80:2 0001840.8664678135415
VM80:2 0001140.3869444721183
VM80:2 0003938.563286744113
VM80:2 0007341.45872050646
VM80:2 0006448.7386230114425

I assume it's working, anyhow, by the first line

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

The rest of the digits are off though... Hmm.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

they are? D:

Maybe f is the precision....

By decreasing the precision, we could get (less digits) for (more accuracy)?

I don't really know what the algorithm is doing

It looks like a nice pseudo-random number generator...

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

hehe

Cyoce

2:13 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm not sure of what I think about ~0 compiling to Infinity.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce :D You read the source code?

Cyoce

conorobrien-foxx.github.io/Jolf/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

I didn't think I did that yet o_O

Yeah, I'm moving it to a Math constant

It's going to be msomething or other

Let me do that now, actually

Cyoce

ok

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

m% = Infinity

Cyoce

2:16 AM

m/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Hmm maybe that's better

Alex A.

\m/ metal

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

m/ = Infinity

Cyoce

And maybe you want to mention Jolf on your profile? I only see "simplex"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

That thing

LegionMammal978

2:18 AM

0

A: Make the pattern from composition notebooks

Mathematica Blur[Binarize[Blur[RandomImage[1, {1000, 1000}, ImageSize -> Large], 6], .52]] Quite simple. Creates a random grayscale image, blurs it, takes the pixels above a threshold, and blurs it again. It uses a couple of hand-tweaked values. The result:

El'endia Starman

That thing you did.

And never finished.

LegionMammal978

Who needs Perlin noise?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm actually redesigning it @El'endiaStarman

It's in my notebook.

El'endia Starman

ahh, okay

Cyoce

Your "notebook"?

El'endia Starman

2:19 AM

I was also making an obscure reference to an old movie.

That Thing You Do!

That Thing You Do! is a 1996 American musical comedy drama film written, directed by, and co-starring Tom Hanks. Set in the summer of 1964, the movie tells the story of the rise and fall of a one-hit wonder pop band. The film also resulted in a musical hit with the song "That Thing You Do". == PlotEdit == In 1964, Guy Patterson (Tom Everett Scott), an aspiring jazz drummer, is asked by Jimmy Mattingly (Johnathon Schaech) and Lenny Haise (Steve Zahn) to sit in with their band (including bass player (Ethan Embry), who as a running gag is never named but is always referred to as "the bass player"...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

@Cyoce Yeah, I keep a few notebooks to write my thoughts down or to prove stuff when I'm bored.

don't judge

Cyoce

A paper notebook?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah

El'endia Starman

I have multiple.

I love 'em.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I also have a oneNote notebook

@El'endiaStarman :D me too

Cyoce

2:21 AM

I write incredibly slowly and have terrible writing so I type everything

I couldn't imagine having a physical notebook

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Are you still in school?

Thomas Kwa

What do ye think of meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7971/39328?

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman That was indeed an obscure reference to an old movie.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce Are you allowed to type your notes?

Cyoce

2:23 AM

They let us bring computers and use them for notes and things

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, cool

New Main Posts

DANCE! EVERYBODY DANCE!

4

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Have you seen it? I've only seen it because my parents had the movie and watched it a couple times.

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman No, but I've heard of it.

El'endia Starman

@Cyoce Well, it's worth noting that maybe half the stuff in the notebook(s) I carry everywhere is writing.

Probably less in the ones I carried before.

New Meta Posts

2:33 AM

nothing to see here, move along

4

Doorknob

Oh, now @NewMetaPosts is fast...

Alex A.

@NewMetaPosts Who told you you could have an upvote?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. What were you testing anyway?

Alex A.

Science

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

For SCIENCE!

0

A: Best of PPCG 2015 — Call for Categories

Rep Vacuum To the valid answer on a code-golf question whose byte count is shortest, but is not the highest-voted answer. (The award will be determined by the gap between the highest-voted answer and aforementioned answer.)

Any suggestions?

Thoughts?

Alex A.

2:49 AM

I'm not a big fan of that particular proposal because usually when a submission is really short but it isn't the highest voted, it's not all that clever. That, at least in my mind, implies that it isn't necessarily deserving of a bounty.

TanMath

@AlexA. me!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But it's the best on a code-golf. Cleverness doesn't matter.

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you should add a markdown button to your Jolf interpreter like mine has. It's really useful when posting answers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce What does it do?

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yes, but being the shortest will get you the coveted check mark. Having an interesting solution will get you votes.

Cyoce

2:51 AM

It generates the markdown for an answer

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Maybe "also uncheck-marked"?

@Cyoce It doesn't work for me.

Cyoce

# [PlatyPar](github.com/cyoce/PlatyPar), 0 bytes



[Try it online](rawgit.com/cyoce/PlatyPar/master/page.html?code=)!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

SyntaxError: let is a reserved identifier
 eval.js:53:4
ReferenceError: markdown_gen is not defined
 page.html:1:1
ReferenceError: rawupdate is not defined
 page.html:1:1
ReferenceError: markdown_gen is not defined
 page.html:1:1
ReferenceError: compile_program is not defined
 page.html:1:1
ReferenceError: markdown_gen is not defined
 page.html:1:1
ReferenceError: edit_program is not defined

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm not sure what you mean

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Non-accepted answer that satisfies said properties?

Cyoce

2:52 AM

Let is a reserved identifier?

What?

Do you support ES6?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's firefox o_o

Cyoce

Oh

I've only tried it on chrome :(

trichoplax

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why would it be uncheckmarked unless invalid?

El'endia Starman

Why would you use let as a variable name anyway? o.O

Cyoce

I don't

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:53 AM

@trichoplax I've seen it a lot.

Alex A.

@trichoplax If something shorter comes along

trichoplax

I respect the right of question authors to never accept an answer, so I suppose there may be many

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce oh my God it looks like your code blew up

Cyoce

That always happens when people run my code on something other than the 3 devices I own (I don't know why, I only test it on my mac, but it works on my computers and only my computers)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

huh

Cyoce

2:55 AM

Fascinating that the markdown button doesn't work, but the page still loads...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm going to be a little CR on you. Is that okay? ^^"

Cyoce

Just as long as it's not permanent

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

huh?

Cyoce

We can't afford to lose you

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, okay

XD

Cyoce

2:56 AM

CR is like the dark side

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But this is the light side of CR: basic things.

const mainbox = document.getElementById('main');
mainbox.focus();

Cyoce

Yeeeeees?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Your script is loaded at the top of the page. At this point, none of the elements of loaded. So you cannot focus on it, nor get the reference all the time

:26629232 Thank you RegEx Bird

Alex A.

:P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

function codelink_get (){
  var code = rawbox.value;
  linkbox.value = 'https://rawgit.com/cyoce/PlatyPar/master/page.html' + gen_query ({code:code});
  linkbox.focus();
// v-- WHAT IS THAT
	return linkbox.value;
}

Alex A.

2:58 AM

> XML is like violence - if it doesn’t solve your problems, you are not using enough of it.

._.

Cyoce

I'm lazy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Also, since you only use code once, you should just do linkbox.value = 'https://rawgit.com/cyoce/PlatyPar/master/page.html' + gen_query ({code:rawbox.value});

BrainSteel

@AlexA. That should be Apple's motto.

Alex A.

Haha why?

BrainSteel

There's so much XML everywhere.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:00 AM

Also, your code will only run (if at all) on Chrome and Firefox until hell freezes over :P

Cyoce

K

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

function genNum(n,radix) {
	var digits = "0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz";

Cyoce

what now

Calvin's Hobbies

return 'pies';}

BrainSteel

return '3.14159...s'?

Cyoce

3:01 AM

;} what emoticon is that?

BrainSteel

Joker-smiley face.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Cyoce You have a const raw_digits, don't you?

Also, constants should be in all caps.

BrainSteel

@Calvin'sHobbies The real question: is 'pies' truthy or falsey?

Calvin's Hobbies

Pies always contain truth

3

Alex A.

^

El'endia Starman

3:04 AM

@BrainSteel Truthy, obviously.

RikerW

^^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

And now I'm done.

@BrainSteel s/s/es/g

Thomas Kwa

@AlexA. Sometimes late answers are shortest.

trichoplax

Wow - I thought this answer was trivial, bordering on boring, but it is the most contentious (+7, -5) and has been rapidly swinging between positive and negative net votes.

2

A: Best of PPCG 2015 — Call for Categories

Best title Borrowed from the Code Review categories. "Best" can be measured as a combination of things: Descriptive Intriguing Funny Any more we can think of...

BrainSteel

> !!'pies'
< true

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

3:08 AM

0

A: Best of PPCG 2015 — Call for Categories

Most Difficult: This challenge got only a few (or no) answers because of its incredible difficulty.

+6/-6

trichoplax

OK - that's more contentious

...and is hovering neither negative nor postive

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Hardy tho

XD

I like yours :D

trichoplax

Thanks :) So do 7 other people...

Calvin's Hobbies

When do we start making category posts? (@MartinBüttner)

I guess it's only been a day

Anonymous

ಠ_ಠ

trichoplax

3:13 AM

We need to wait until we have enough suggestions. Martin wanted 5 to 10 categories and so far we only have... wait - 40 suggestions?!?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego ?

TanMath

@Mego is back!

trichoplax

You disapprove of graduation?

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies My hopes were raised for a moment and then monumentally crushed

Anonymous

I thought we were actually graduating on Mar 1

Calvin's Hobbies

3:14 AM

Oh, 'Next scheduled event: "Graduation"'

Anonymous

I blame Geobits

Thomas Kwa

> Starts on Mar 1 at 0:00 (in your timezone, that's 16:00 on Monday), lasts 60 minutes. This is a regular event, happening every day.

trichoplax

@Mego It's only the optimistic end of Doorknob's graduation prediction graph. At the pessimistic end we may have to wait until September

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego We are, just 2061, not 2016

Alex A.

@ThomasKwa Graduatin' erryday

quintopia

3:16 AM

Megello

trichoplax

Following the comments on the question, what kinds of awards could go to a person rather than a specific question or answer?

quintopia

i'm enjoying this new ppcg user style. that zipper-brackets logo was exactly the sort of symbol I was trying to dream up.

Doorknob

@trichoplax No, at the pessimistic end, permabeta happens. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax "Most made fun of in chat"

"Most rep gained from questions" :P

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies So Alex?

trichoplax

3:18 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies So much competition...

Doorknob

"Most likely to not be outgolfed"

"Most likely to thank bots habitually"

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob There's no competition for that one. :P

Anonymous

"Most likely to be seen in chat"

Doorknob

@Mego That's easy

Calvin's Hobbies

These are like those yearbook "most likely to succeed" things (that also involve graduation)

trichoplax

3:20 AM

There's no lower limit to pessimism if you want to be like that :P
"At the pessimistic end, Code Review takes over the entire galaxy and PPCG users are forced to rewrite their entire backlog of answers in readable form"

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob Oh hey, I have one of the "biggest" attendance curves! :P

trichoplax

"Most likely to win an award"

TanMath

I am not an active chatter? :(

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies I would get a triple gold medal for that. :P :| :/ ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman You're no competition for @NewMainPosts here. :P

trichoplax

3:21 AM