The Nineteenth Byte

7:00 PM

Try again

I did #container instead of .container

It's also that, as a site with a radically different purpose than other SE sites, we aren't ever going to fill the SE team's expectations of a big Q&A site that draws a lot of out-of-network traffic.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But we are often on the HNQ

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ worked

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

quartata

Now we just need to figure out what the hell is wrong with the header

Also by the way you can limit what sites the script runs on in TamperMonkey

Instead of checking the URL yourself

Huh this is weird

#header {
    background: #EDEDED;
}

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:02 PM

?

quartata

#header * {
    color: #4C4C4C;
}

First one is the style of the entire header.

Second one is the hlogo

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

okay?

did I write that? :P

quartata

No

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm a bit braindead

quartata

I'm looking with the inspect element

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:03 PM

it's SE's?

huh

quartata

Ye

So something is screwed up with how the inheritance of the CSS is working

The overall header is using that EDEDED color (SE default)

And only the hlogo and all that are using the 4C4C4C color like we want

trichoplax

Attitudes to what graduation means are in flux:

318

Q: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

Back in April of 2010, Joel shared our assumptions about the role of small sites in the newly minted Stack Exchange network: If a site does not have enough activity at the end of 90 days, it will be closed down. Any existing Q&A will be archived and made available for download, but the site...

quartata

Just found this randomly on Youtube:

Talk: Programming Puzzles and Code Golf Part 1

►

I have no idea what the guy is saying, and Youtube isn't helpful:

> the child currently had a sofa

> sausages in that they contest

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

is that about our site?

or just general subject

quartata

Yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:12 PM

huh!

quartata

I hear the words Stack Exchange, popularity contest...

Bad signs.

Maybe it's Martin...

It's Josha.

?

7:12 PM

Who?

mınxomaτ

It says right there in the slides, his name is Josha.

Oh, der.

XD

hello!

hi!

7:18 PM

i have a python problem...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah?

We might have a python solution.

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Atbash Self Palindromes Consider the following transformation: A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M Z|Y|X|W|V|U|T|S|R|Q|P|O|N Where A ⇔ Z and L ⇔ O, e.g. There is an interesting property that some words share. When some strings are translated to their atbash-equivalent, said translation is the original ...

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ so, how can I convert a binary float to a base 10 float and vice versa?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath For 10 to 2, Multiply the value by 10^14 (or whatever the precision is), convert it to binary, and divide by 2^14

iirc

TanMath

wait, what?

so there isn't a builtin to do this?

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

7:24 PM

Someone want to help me translate this C program into Javascript:

a[52514],b,c=52514,d,e,f=1e4,g,h;main(){for(;b=c-=14;h=printf("%04d",e+d/f))for‌(e=d%=f;g=--b*2;d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;}

? I'm C illiterate.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath I don't know

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ What does it do?

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

It's a Pi spigot algorithm.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

huh

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ i still didn't get your method

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

well I g2g

TanMath

7:25 PM

bye!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Make the float an integer and divide it back to a float

sorry

quartata

@NewSandboxedPosts q_rz0Xrz0G

Pyth 10 bytes

(assuming I understand the challenge correctly)

pyth.herokuapp.com/…

(do I get any fastest golfer in the west points?)

TanMath

@quartata is there a .split() function in pyth

I am working on a pyth translation of my following answer:

0

A: Pronoun operation

Python 159 bytes This is a direct translation of the Javascript ES6 answer: a=",I,You,He,We,They".split(',') m="012345014444042242042345044444042545" r=0 s=raw_input() for p in s.split('+'): r=int(m[int(m[a.index(p)])+r*6]) print a[r] Try it here

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Anyone willing to help?

TanMath

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ are you literate in Python?

quartata

7:41 PM

@TanMath c

One arg splits on whitespace, two arg splits on whatever you specify

@TanMath Example: pyth.herokuapp.com/…

trichoplax

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ What's the first thing you need to know?

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

@TanMath Yeah.

@trichoplax that a[52514] syntax.

TanMath

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ ok.. can you have the code indented and displayed more "beautifully"?

quartata

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ defines an array of length 52514

TanMath

@quartata gracias!

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

7:44 PM

@quartata Oh, that makes sense.

quartata

@TanMath np

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Yeah. Remember arrays are fixed size in C.

trichoplax

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Is there anything else that needs clarifying?

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

a[52514],b,c=52514,d,e,f=1e4,g,h;

main(){
for(;
b=c-=14;

h=printf("%04d",e+d/f))for‌(e=d%=f;
g=--b*2;

d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;
}

TimmyD

@NewMetaPosts Wow, some of these categories are pretty contentious, and we haven't even reached the nominations stage yet ...

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

@trichoplax I don't think so... Thanks guys!

quartata

7:47 PM

@TimmyD I'm hoping I'll win one of the best newcomer prizes.

(secretly)

It's unlikely though

PhiNotPi

What determines the background image of the site?

quartata

@PhiNotPi ?

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi Votes on meta?

PhiNotPi

I can't really seem to select the site's background with Chrome's inspect element.

trichoplax

Or do you mean where in the CSS?

PhiNotPi

7:48 PM

In a literal CSS sense.

quartata

@PhiNotPi It's a CSS thing. w3schools.com/cssref/pr_background-image.asp

TimmyD

@quartata Wait ... I've been here longer than you? O.o

quartata

@TimmyD Yes

I've spammed chat so much people have forgotten I've really only been here 3 months

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi Here in chat just right click > view background image works. Are you looking on main?

PhiNotPi

yes

trichoplax

7:51 PM

@MartinBüttner You had me panicked for a second, but I just checked and it's still there.

Martin Büttner

@trichoplax I assume they have a large supply of them.

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi For me the option is still there on main but greyed out (presumably there's no background image?

PhiNotPi

Right now I'm manually editing some CSS myself to try and change the background.

I found a chrome extension called stylebot that seems to help with this.

trichoplax

@MartinBüttner I'd always ruled out Processing for KotHs because I assumed it required people to install on their machine, but if it can run on a webpage I'm curious if it could be used in a Stack Snippet...

TimmyD

@quartata Mind. Blown.

Martin Büttner

7:58 PM

anyone here who knows Seriously? Is there .charCodeAt(), i.e. the opposite of c?

oh, Seriously is implemented in Python

somehow I thought it's JS

so is there ord()?

TanMath

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ i could probably convert this to python, but you seem fine...

@MartinBüttner look at the doc? is it not there?

quartata

@MartinBüttner O

I think

Martin Büttner

@quartata oooh, I was looking at lowercase, thanks

TanMath

@quartata not really

quartata

Be wary that it maps backwards over arrays

TanMath

8:01 PM

@quartata it says [ord(c) for each c in "a" or [a], starting from the end]

quartata

@TanMath Right... if he's just looking for the ord of one char

That'll work just fine.

TanMath

I guess

Martin Büttner

@quartata hm, yeah, I wish it returned the ord of the first character :/

TanMath

@MartinBüttner Seriously is seriously hard! :p

@quartata in pyth, how do you do A.index(B)?

quartata

Seriously has some very strange commands.

TanMath

8:03 PM

it does

quartata

@TanMath Hmm

x

TanMath

and it is awfully stupid that it doesn't have a for loop!

Martin Büttner

I need to push 72 using only two characters

TanMath

@quartata ok... thanks!

quartata

pyth.herokuapp.com/?code=xQ5&input=%5B2%2C5%5D&debug=0

Martin Büttner

8:04 PM

that happens to be the character code of H, so HO would have worked if O didn't map.

quartata

Yep it's x

@MartinBüttner rats

BlockCoder1392

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Noto ftw. We won't have trouble viewing @ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ's username then

TanMath

@MartinBüttner you can't afaik

Martin Büttner

it's also neither a square, nor a fibonacci number, nor a prime

TanMath

@MartinBüttner you can do it in 3 bytes like this - 89*

quartata

8:05 PM

@MartinBüttner What challenge is this for?

TanMath

although you probably already know that

Martin Büttner

trying to crack quintopia's 7-byte cop

dorothy

hi all

quartata

Ah

TanMath

@quartata can you redefine J in pyth?

dorothy

8:06 PM

one last go to get a cjam answer for codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/68176/… :)

Martin Büttner

if I have 72, I can do PPDPD

dorothy

or some other lovely code-golf language

or haskell :)

TanMath

@MartinBüttner for what?

quartata

@TanMath Only after first use I think

Martin Büttner

0

A: Printing ascending ASCII, Cops

Seriously, 7 characters I was inspired by trying to find an answer to Adnan's latest cop, by how close this number was to their number: ___P___ Output: 22366

quartata

8:07 PM

Lemme see

Yeah, only after first use.

J is the equivalent of A in first use

It turns into a regular var after

TanMath

then how do you redefine a variable??

quartata

?

Well you can redefine other variables...

TanMath

like?

quartata

J is just special.

@TanMath =N3

Sets N to 3.

TanMath

@quartata cool... but N is used for the for loop, so I cannot use N... any other variables I can use?

quartata

8:10 PM

H

T

Z

TanMath

ok... I will use H...

@quartata but T is 10!

quartata

Just search "variable" in the character reference (with any)

@TanMath Right.

N is quote mark.

There aren't any true "empty" variables.

(at least that I know of, I'm pretty stupid though)

TanMath

@quartata then what is FNU10? doesn't it mean for N in urange(10)?

PhiNotPi

Did you figure out the exact cause of the top corners being the wrong color?

quartata

@TanMath Right. It's redefining N.

N's default value is a quote mark.

It's still a regular variable though. It's not a constant of any kind.

TanMath

8:18 PM

@quartata Tc",I,You,He,We,They"","J"012345014444042242042345044444042545"H0FNcz"+"Hs@Js@J‌xTN*H6 why doesn't it work?

quartata

Uhh

What are you trying to do?

J Atkin

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ In relation to gist.github.com/vihanb/5f481684a3a41320a21f

TanMath

the pronoun operation challenge

quartata

Link?

TanMath

It is a direct translation of my python answer

pyth.herokuapp.com/…

J Atkin

8:19 PM

If you don't mind the Code review design you could add this:

.container {
    background-image: url("http://cdn.sstatic.net/codereview/img/pattern.png?v=8286dee84d00");
    /*background-position: 0px 34px;*/
    background-repeat: repeat-x;
    background-color: #F5F8FA;
    box-shadow: none !important;
}

#header {
    background: transparent !important;
}

quartata

I mean link to the challenge.

TanMath

13

Q: Pronoun operation

The challenge Write a function or a program that takes a string composed of one or more subjective personal pronouns, separated by + signs, as an argument. The output must be a single pronoun, that is the result of the relation defined in the next paragraph. Of course, feel free to edit as you ...

code-golf natural-language

quartata

Mkay.

What's the T doing at the beginning?

This is what it translates to, FYI:

assign('z',input())
imp_print(T)
imp_print(chop(",I,You,He,We,They",","))
assign("J","012345014444042242042345044444042545")
imp_print(H)
imp_print(0)
for N in num_to_range(chop(z,"+")):
 imp_print(H)
 imp_print(Psum(lookup(J,Psum(lookup(J,index(T,N))))))
 imp_print(times(H,6))
 imp_print()

Definitely not what you want

I think this is what you want for the first part:

=Tc",I,You,He,We,They"","

Thomas Kwa

What would Pyth syntax highlighting even look like?

TimmyD

@ThomasKwa A rainbow.

Thomas Kwa

8:23 PM

Strings and numeric literals would be a different color, of course

oh, I know: by arity!

quartata

@TanMath You do know that you assign variables with = right?

Also Z is pre-defined to 0

=<var><value>

BlockCoder1392

WEe're like always on hnq;

RikerW

So, recap of any new design ideas? Jade top leave earlier.

Wtf? Jade top to had to.

quartata

translate: Jade top leave earlier.
(from SpellCheck): I had to leave earlier.

Digital Trauma

echo "Because $(shuf -n1 /usr/share/dict/words) is small, your code will need to be as short as possible"

quartata

8:28 PM

@DigitalTrauma lmao

Digital Trauma

Anyone else getting tired of this one yet?

quartata

Very short

@DigitalTrauma Yes.

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma :(

quartata

> Because invalidation is small, your code will need to be as short as possible

I think this is the best one:

Because taverns is small, your code will need to be as short as possible

PhiNotPi

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What causes the upper corners to be the normal color?

BlockCoder1392

8:31 PM

Hi!

quartata

> Because gastrointestinal is small, your code will need to be as short as possible

RikerW

@quartata Thank you for your translation. :P

BlockCoder1392

strawpoll.me/6451101

trichoplax

Wow there's some contentious voting on the "Best of PPCG 2015" answers...

BlockCoder1392

I already have 1 vote somehow

RikerW

8:35 PM

@BlockCoder1392 Inconsolata

BlockCoder1392

Wow

trichoplax

I mean there are several answers with lots of both up and downvotes

BlockCoder1392

True

RikerW

It said specify in the 19th byte, so there.

:P

TanMath

@quartata did not fix it

BlockCoder1392

8:35 PM

Mine is just +1/-0 right?

3/4k+users

quartata

@TanMath not fully obviously

trichoplax

@BlockCoder1392 Sure is

quartata

You have a lot of syntax errors

TanMath

@quartata what else is messed up?

quartata

All the variable assignments

see my messages

TanMath

8:37 PM

@quartata here is an updated version - pyth.herokuapp.com/…

BlockCoder1392

*¾k+users

quartata

You need =J"012345014444042242042345044444042545" too

Assignment is =<var><value>

Also Z is always 0

And you don't want to use J

TanMath

@quartata why?

@quartata huh? I never use Z..do I?

quartata

Because J isn't a normal variable

@TanMath I mean that you can replace H with Z

TanMath

@quartata oh..

@quartata so? it never needs to be redefined

quartata

8:42 PM

@TanMath It's a function at first.

Then it turns into a variable.

You can't assign into it at first.

BlockCoder1392

=J"Hello world"

quartata

Yeah, you can't do that.

It'll throw an error.

Think of it like a one time use function.

PhiNotPi

fixes the ugly corners: .container {box-shadow: none !important;}

TanMath

@quartata this doesn't throw an error yet H isn't what is should be! - pyth.herokuapp.com/…

BlockCoder1392

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93294/…

roblox

quartata

8:46 PM

@TanMath Did you mean for that last Z to be a H

TanMath

@quartata yeah, but it still doesn't work...

I print out H and it is zero!

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma did you have any opinion on the upcoming backwards-compatibility breaking changes to Retina?

quartata

Also you're still using J...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Phenotypic you fixed it?!

quartata

Try this: =Tc",I,You,He,We,They"","=G"012345014444042242042345044444042545"FNcz"+"=Zs@+Gs‌@GxTN*Z6

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:48 PM

:D

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Did you see my Pyth answer?

Can you confirm that works?

TimmyD

1 hour ago, by TimmyD

@NewMetaPosts Wow, some of these categories are pretty contentious, and we haven't even reached the nominations stage yet ...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@qua which question?

TanMath

@quartata wait, what?? that throws an error!

quartata

That's because there was an unprintable in there

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Your question in the sandbox

trichoplax

8:49 PM

@TimmyD Seems I was ninja'd again :)

(even with the same word...)

Digital Trauma

@MartinBüttner not really - if you want to make improvements, go ahead ;-)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@qua sorry am on mobile

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26594439#26594439

pyth.herokuapp.com/…

For your palindrome thingy.

I think it works.

BlockCoder1392

i think i'm making typos more oftewn.

TanMath

@quartata so?

RikerW

8:56 PM

THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!!

TanMath

@RikerW really?

when?

RikerW

YES!!!!

3 MINUTES!!!

TanMath

why?

RikerW

BECAUSE MY SMOOTHIE WON'T BLEND!!!

TanMath

@RikerW you sure? looking out my window, i see no destruction

BlockCoder1392

8:57 PM

It's much easier to make looks of disapproval in Source Sans Pro: 0_0

TanMath

@RikerW NO!!! THE WORLD WILL END...for @RikerW that is!

RikerW

I didn't say that there would be destruction. :P

BlockCoder1392

change your font to source sans pro.

RikerW

@TanMath Oh, that makes sense.

brb trying my smoothie.

:P

TanMath

@quartata where is the unprintable and what am I supposed to do??

user55340

9:10 PM

Ideal for golfing-ish score criteria: Manhattan distance for single hunt and peck typist on a PET keyboard.

user55340

Commodore PET

The Commodore PET (Personal Electronic Transactor) is a line of home/personal computers produced starting in 1977 by Commodore International. A top-seller in the Canadian and United States educational markets, it was Commodore's first full-featured computer, and formed the basis for their entire 8-bit product line, including the Commodore 64. == History == === Origins and the early models === In the 1970s Commodore was one of many electronics companies selling calculators designed around Dallas-based Texas Instruments (TI) chips. However, in 1975 TI increased the price of these components to the...

user55340

Of course, the first challenge written in this challenge format should be "determine the Manhattan distance for a string as typed on this keyboard"

PhiNotPi

design idea: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7940/2867

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Finding Exclusive Area in Circle Intersections code-golfgeometry (Perhaps trigonometry fits as well) Here's a deceptively challenging geometry puzzle for you! Given a circle A, and n other circles B[n], find the total area contained within A that is not within any circle of B. Circles current...

RikerW

9:22 PM

Thank you @NewSandboxedPosts.

J Atkin

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I forked your style gist, it now looks a bit like Code Review... (sorry :) gist.github.com/JJ-Atkinson/2fa1fa0d80e1a31e0fca

RikerW

Any ideas for the favicon?

like the zipper thing.

J Atkin

Me?

trichoplax

> Circles currently take up all my hard drive space, so your code should be as small as possible.

Any more of these and I'm going to add another standard loophole... ;)

3

TimmyD

46

A: The Many Memes of PPCG

Meme: Absurd rationales for short code length Originator: Unknown Cultural Height: Always Background: Why are we trying to golf our code down to the smallest number of bytes anyway? Many code-golf challenges will include a quip about why the situation requires a small program. These are often ...

Martin Büttner

9:31 PM

wow, this actually became the top-voted meme? T_T

trichoplax

@TimmyD It seems this one wasn't just a passing meme... :)

BrainSteel

It's an oldie.

Wait, @trichoplax is a moderator?! Congrats!

trichoplax

@BrainSteel Thanks! It's for Computer Graphics

(I still haven't got used to how useful the shortcut [computergraphics.se] is for creating links)

BrainSteel

Sweet! I didn't know that site existed.

TanMath

cool!

trichoplax

9:36 PM

:)

@BrainSteel We're only a few months in...

BrainSteel

@trichoplax I'll look around :D

Please do! :)

Hi

Hi!

9:51 PM

@RikerW My idea (very rough)

But that is just the golf, not the puzzle part of the site...

quintopia

No... No golf sport themed logo or icon please

J Atkin

What about this? ;)

quintopia

Ugh. What a terrible shade of blue.

BlockCoder1392

Yup

J Atkin

Sorry.... ;(

TimmyD

9:57 PM

But then we could have a green theme, even if it's a little rough around the edges. Our clubhouse is already The Nineteenth Byte, which I think is par for the course, given that we slice code daily. We even have birdies like Alex, and hooks like Fishing.

xnor

the flag needs <strike>44</strike>43

2

My mouse found it

Or <s>44</s> 19

44

I say we should just follow Graue's lead and use the esolangs.org limes

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