The Nineteenth Byte

trichoplax

11:00 PM

@Mego What do I know, I'm just a sock

Thomas Kwa

(unless you're misleading me so you can outgolf me later)

Seadrus

so am i

TanMath

@ThomasKwa can you still look at my gamma function Seriously answer?

Anonymous

@ThomasKwa Nah, it's all yours. We need more Seriously answers from people who aren't me :P

TanMath

ha!

if so, don't block users who want to learn the language and want to ask you Seriously questions!

trichoplax

11:01 PM

@xnor Are you confident that all 52 would be uninteresting?

Thomas Kwa

@TanMath Where is it? I don't see it on the question.

xnor

@trichoplax No, I think there's some standard yet interesting challenges that we've missed and would make people say "How did we forget about this one?"

TanMath

@ThomasKwa since I didn't post it since I do not know whether it works.. it is in the Seriously chat room...

trichoplax

@TanMath Addressing someone who you know has blocked you seems redundant

Thomas Kwa

Wait, what do you mean you don't know whether it works?

trichoplax

11:02 PM

@xnor So there's hope then :)

Thomas Kwa

Just test with 1e4 iterations

TanMath

@ThomasKwa yeah...

in Seriously, yesterday, by TanMath

9:10:^rW;;1/1+,^@1/,*1+/-*

Thomas Kwa

um

TanMath

in Seriously, yesterday, by TanMath

does that work for seriously gamma function golf? it is a translation of the c++ answer... I can't get it to run.. maybe takes too long.. it says error, but no error message. Whar could be wrong?

Thomas Kwa

10 pushes 1 and then 0

TanMath

11:03 PM

@ThomasKwa no.. it has : and : around it...

Thomas Kwa

Oh

TanMath

@trichoplax i know.. I just felt like saying it.. I am pretty angry about it.. I really wanted to learn the language.. this gamma function will be not only my first Seriously answer, but my last one too...

@ThomasKwa so you do not know the language that much? it's ok.. we can try to work through it together.. I just want to post this answer and get it done with.. I don't want all that time I spent on this answer to be a waste

Sp3000

@xnor btw, out of curiosity, which challenges were you worried about in particular? I'm guessing primes was probably one, but any others?

trichoplax

@TanMath You can still learn the language, and there are other places you can look for help/hints. Would your almost working code be on topic on SO?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

aodfllwpity#

TanMath

11:07 PM

@trichoplax on SO?!

trichoplax

:)

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ flags as offensive

Anonymous

Don't you dare say that about my mother

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o-o

It's a valid program

phase

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Any program is a valid Seriously program, including ihateseriously

xnor

11:08 PM

@Sp3000 Hello world, loop with no output, truth machine, with bottles of beer and primes to a lesser extent

phase

It also happens to be a new Apple product

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ sure is

xnor

Actually, would it be totally counterproductive to make catalog questions not go to HNQ? That would address most of my complaints.

Sp3000

Hmm was truth machine a borderline dupe of something?

trichoplax

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Q: Unexpected behavior of tuple boolean evaluation

I am working on a code golf and attempting to write a recursive function using the tuple boolean evaluation syntax ((a,b)[bool]). My function is as follows (with some helpful prints): def b(A,k,n): m=len(A)/2 print "A: ", A print "m: ", m print "n: ", n print "A[m]", A[m] if A[m]==k:retur...

People do ask on SO....

xnor

11:09 PM

@Sp3000 no, that one was pretty original

Sp3000

I think catalogues not being on HNQ is fine, but I don't think that's doable unfortunately

TanMath

@trichoplax huh? this has nothing to do with Seriously...

xnor

i know there's a hack where including mathjax makes it not appear on HNQ

TanMath

@trichoplax BTW, what are these "other places" apart from SO?

xnor

we don't have mathjax, but maybe there's some weird unicode chars that aren't allowed?

Sp3000

11:11 PM

Oh? Might be interesting to try temporarily and take off once it's all over

trichoplax

@xnor I think it's possible to omit questions from HNQ by including one of the blacklisted words in the title

xnor

what are those?

trichoplax

@TanMath No, it just shows that people ask about golfing

TanMath

seriouslylang.herokuapp.com/link/…

Anonymous

@xnor <insert zalgo text here>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

11:11 PM

Found one : huszd98f2qkmngfbihu7awyizjhb sa8usi

trichoplax

@TanMath You could work on the wiki...

TanMath

@trichoplax yeah.. but that is golfing in python, one of the most common programming languages.. Only 2 people here really know Seriously..

@trichoplax where is this wiki?!

trichoplax

@xnor The four letter words...

xnor

"Print 'Hello World', especially in BrainFuck"

trichoplax

@TanMath That's what I mean - you could work on making one :)

feersum

11:13 PM

I saw a brainfuck question from Code Review uncensored in the sidebar a couple weeks ago.

trichoplax

@xnor I've raised the fact that BF doesn't trigger the filter (only a naked F does)

TanMath

@trichoplax why should I write one when I don't even know the language!

Sp3000

It's funny because they said they'd add BF to the filter but didn't :P

xnor

hmm, we need to get more imaginative then

feersum

Brain<zerowidthspace>Fuck

Anonymous

11:14 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that breaks the seriously

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Yup.

TanMath

@feersum those?

Anonymous

I'm not entirely sure why, though

trichoplax

@TanMath If you start one people may contribute to it, even if they have blocked you...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So does this

Anonymous

11:15 PM

Oh it's because I broke my math module selector again

TanMath

@trichoplax by that logic, I was going to just post my answer, but others say you should post an answer that you don't know if it works...

I don't really care to write a documentation anyway...

trichoplax

@TanMath Yes it's reasonable to expect that answers will be tested and working correctly before being posted. Is there some way you can test it?

TanMath

@trichoplax i did, but it gave me no result.. it said "error:" with no error message...

trichoplax

@TanMath Then you know it doesn't work... :)

TanMath

@trichoplax i guess...

trichoplax

11:19 PM

Do you have access to the code for the interpreter?

TanMath

@trichoplax um, it is in github.. why?

trichoplax

You could search for "error:" and see if you can find the place in the interpreter code that is missing some useful error information

TanMath

@trichoplax ok.. I will see if I can run it..

trichoplax

Submitting a useful pull request may even be a way to improve your reputation with the person who has blocked you (although that's obviously not up to me).

TanMath

@trichoplax oh wait.. it is designed not to through an error when there is a mistake.. how am I going to find the problem then..

@trichoplax what would I put in the pull request? the code? asking why it is not working?

trichoplax

11:22 PM

Is "error:" not in the interpreter source code?

@TanMath No a pull request would include working code to correct the problem with the interpreter

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax The issue is really more that Seriously is designed not to throw errors in most cases.

trichoplax

So would it require looking at the source code of the language in which the interpreter is written?

El'endia Starman

[shrug] I guess.

TanMath

@trichoplax so I need to first correct my code?

El'endia Starman

"pull request" - That terminology has always confused me. When I make a pull request, I get code from the GitHub repository. If I want to update the code on GitHub, I push to it.

trichoplax

11:25 PM

@TanMath I don't know if the problem is with your code, or the interpreter code, or the language in which that is written

TanMath

wait.. I found a section showing that it should print an error when it isn't.. what would be an error... I can write an issue then...

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman "pull request" - you are requesting that the owner (or a contributor) pulls the commit from your fork and merges it with the master

Sparr

@El'endiaStarman a pull request is you requesting that someone else do a git pull from your repository

El'endia Starman

@Mego AHHH, okay. That makes a lot more sense.

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman It confuses me too. Am I using it according to current convention? I intuitively get round the awkwardness by assuming it means requesting that the owner of the repository - oh ninja'd - that'll save me some typing

TanMath

11:26 PM

To be honest, I am pretty sure Mego knows I am having an error in my Seriously code, but is ignoring me on purpose.. oh well...

Anonymous

@TanMath Alright this whining has gone on long enough. You're unblocked. The online IDE is not the ideal way to run Seriously code - if it takes longer than the HTTP timeout (which is around 15-30 seconds iirc), you'll get an error. You should be running it with seriously.py from the GitHub repo, locally on your computer.

Anonymous

The online IDE is a tool to allow people to quickly run code to verify solutions. Because of how unoptimized the interpreter is right now, it has a lot of limitations.

TanMath

@Mego oh.. that is sad... I don't think I can get that to work.. I will figure it out.. so you are not willing to review my code but?

@Mego BTW, thanks for unblocking me!

trichoplax

Now that there's a question and a definite answer, you could both get rep on SO by posting there... :)

TanMath

@trichoplax huh?

Anonymous

11:30 PM

@trichoplax nty I only rep farm on codegolf

trichoplax

I wasn't being especially serious :P

TanMath

@Mego so, why didn't it send a message on the online IDE saying "timeout, too long" or something like that?

Anonymous

@TanMath Because it encountered another error first

TanMath

@Mego so that is a bug...

Anonymous

You're trying to construct the list [0, ..., 10^9]. It throws a Memory Error

TanMath

11:32 PM

@Mego it cannot do that?

Anonymous

Not a bug, a limitation of commercial-grade computers

El'endia Starman

@Mego How does the HTTP timeout affect it? ... Oh, is it because you're doing a brand new GET (or POST?) request? My online interpreter uses Ajax and I've successfully run code for a minute before the results were back.

TanMath

@Mego oh ok.. then I won't post an issue..

El'endia Starman

@TanMath Python wouldn't be able to do that either.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman I plan to move to AJAX once I get other priorities with the language taken care of

TanMath

11:33 PM

@El'endiaStarman really? then how would it do range(1,1e9)?

El'endia Starman

Alright, sounds good.

@TanMath One at a time! (I.e., a while loop.)

Anonymous

Python 3 could, because it uses generator-like range objects. But, I haven't ported the interpreter to Python 3 yet (it's a work in progress, one of those aforementioned priorities)

El'endia Starman

Or a generator, like Python 3's range, but Seriously doesn't have any generators.

Anonymous

Because of that limitation, you're going to have to do it with a while loop

Anonymous

(also using a while loop with a range like you were doing is not recommended - use M instead)

Anonymous

11:36 PM

99u^W;;;ì1+,^@ì,*1+/-*(- should get you closer

Anonymous

Some tips: 9u is shorter than :10:, ì is shorter than 1/

Anonymous

Also running the interpreter with the -d switch turns on debug mode, which will actually print out the error messages that get supressed normally (because no errors!)

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El'endia Starman

.....now I'm thinking that I'd like to add that feature to Minkolang.

Anonymous

I'm waiting for the day when SerioMinkoVitsPyJam gets released

Calvin's Hobbies

Is there any text editor with a heatmap? i.e. the background of each character is more-red if you've edited it recently and fading to pink and white for older changes?

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Anonymous

11:40 PM

A conglomeration of all of the ~~best~~ ~~worst~~ things from each

Sparr

just had a coding challenge as part of a job interview

the solution was about 20 characters in python

Anonymous

What was the challenge?

Sparr

I'm not supposed to say. Simple string manipulation, accomplished with slices and list comprehension

quartata

@Sparr Should have done it in Pyth.

That'll impress them

Sparr

wasn't an option in the online interpreter

Thomas Kwa

11:48 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies That's a good idea...

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies ooh

Sparr

also, I am steadfastly refusing to learn any of the super-golf languages

Anonymous

Should have done it in Seriously. That'll confuse them.

quartata

@Sparr Would you learn a sub-optimal golf language?

Sparr

@quartata I don't learn languages just for golfing.

and aside from golfing, I don't know any reaso to use Pyth over Python.

Thomas Kwa

11:49 PM

@Sparr Learn APL or J then!

Sparr

whereas there are many reasons to practice my Python

quartata

I actually have been using CJam when I need to write little scripts to do math stuff sometimes

Anonymous

I actually have been using Seriously when I feel like I've been going too easy on my processor

Thomas Kwa

@quartata is it really faster to write than in a normal language?

quartata

@ThomasKwa Yes.

Also

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Q: Most creative/diabolical/entertaining way to find Python version?

There are important differences between Python 2 and 3, so it's often useful to know which version of the interpreter is running your code. The straightforward method is something like this: def get_python_version(): import sys return sys.version_info.major But you can exploit other di...