The Nineteenth Byte

Sp3000

7:00 PM

@VoteToClose I hate you.

stab stab

VoteToClose

:D ily too.

Sp3000

No seriously though, why?

VoteToClose

I didn't have empty program instructions anyways, soo... Didn't want to waste an instruction on it.

flawr

flinteastwoodmusic.bandcamp.com/album/small-victories

VoteToClose

Flint Eastwood? o-o

quartata

7:03 PM

mfw

> We've detected you're using an old version of Chrome. -Google

Sp3000

Well I guess it's your choice, but I feel like you could have easily done something more... interesting on an empty program

flawr

They have nice music. <- y opinion

quartata

> Version 44.0.2403.155 -chrome://chrome

Sp3000

Simulate the universe or whatnot

quartata

> Latest stable version: 46.0 -Wikipedia

,,,

> Who said Apple gets to be the only one who deprecates things 2 months after release -Google

4

duzzy

7:06 PM

Is this code golf a good way to learn a language, or is it more a game intended for the elites?

Sp3000

It's a good way to learn a language and become an elite

(really good way, if you want to learn the nitty gritty)

flawr

sp3000-is-wrong-imho

I think most good programmers are not good golfers and vice versa.

trichoplax

We don't just have golf - there are other types of challenge too: fastest-code king-of-the-hill code-challenge

Sp3000

Real testomonials from PPCG users! "I used this site and now I can for loop in FRACTRAN! It's amazing!"

Well I guess it does depend on what you want to learn

No OOP lessons to be found here, for example

VoteToClose

Yeah, and also, code golf allows us to know more about the language's features.

flawr

7:11 PM

futilitycloset.com/2010/04/23/the-black-hole

Alex A.

@duzzy I definitely think so. I've learned a lot about my favorite languages by trying to golf them. :)

TanMath

Hey all! check out my france answer! it works!:

0

A: Draw the national flag of France

Python, 223 bytes from turtle import* def D(): fill(1) fd(100) rt(90) fd(200) rt(90) fd(100) rt(90) fd(200) rt(90) fill(0) lt(180) fillcolor("#0055a4") D() fillcolor("white") setpos(100,0) D() fillcolor("#ef4135") setpos(200,0) D()

Alex A.

2

Coyote in my back yard!

flawr

Right now?

Alex A.

Yes

flawr

7:13 PM

Say hello for me!

Alex A.

Oh no, he ran away

flawr

=(

VoteToClose

@Sp3000 Well... We learn that Java is terrible.

But that's kinda a well-known concept.

Alex A.

@flawr It's okay, I live next to a giant wooded ravine, certainly he's in there somewhere. :)

TanMath

so?

@Dennis did you get to look at my Seriously code?

duzzy

7:15 PM

Thank you, everyone. One more question, though. I don't really see where the code golf rules are. the FAQ just seems to be the standard SE questions. Are there special requirements to giving answers if I were to try at some point to participate?

flawr

@VoteToClose Why so terrible? I actually like it!

@duzzy Click on the code-golf tag. There are some additional rules. <-- click this and ignore @VoteToClose

VoteToClose

@duzzy code-golf <--- click this

TanMath

@duzzy codegolf.stackexchange.com/tags/code-golf/info this has more info then the others have.. ignore @VoteToClose and @flawr

duzzy

Perfect. Thank you.

VoteToClose

@flawr It's the first language I used for non-personal use - it's verbose, inefficient on execution, has ridiculous requirements for valid programs... And also: ಠ_ಠ I said click it first.

duzzy

7:18 PM

I can see this place is quite competitive. :P

VoteToClose

Only in the best kind of way. :D

flawr

^

VoteToClose

i.e. Me and flawr made a language together about a month ago.

duzzy

So you're saying that you're better at being competitive than other rooms?

flawr

Of course!

VoteToClose

7:18 PM

^

flawr

^

VoteToClose

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Make LimpS** output system time on empty programs. :D

TimmyD

@duzzy We're the most competitivest!

TanMath

0

A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Seriously, 1 byte N That is it! one command!

check out this answer of mine!

feersum

@TanMath 17 people have posted that answer already.

VoteToClose

7:20 PM

Literally 17 people.

feersum

Literally.

TanMath

@feersum really? I cannot find it...

TimmyD

2 hours ago, by Dennis

I just tried, and the output of Seriously's N command is different from the lyrics in the challenge.

feersum

@TanMath .. codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/64209/30688

Alex A.

@TanMath They're both deleted because they were invalid

VoteToClose

7:21 PM

flawr

@VoteToClose Back to Java: What alternative would you suggest?

TanMath

mego better fix it then

flawr

I think the good thing is that it forces you to really write good code and can be run almost everywhere.

VoteToClose

@flawr Hmm. Python springs to mind first.

flawr

EW.

TanMath

7:24 PM

@VoteToClose Python!!!!!

VoteToClose

/me chin strokes.

C, the language, not the emoji.

flawr

JavaScript!

Sp3000

>>> "Python" > "Javascript"
True

VoteToClose

Mm. Javascript ≠ class-based object-oriented.

flawr

But almost=)

VoteToClose

7:26 PM

shakes head

TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> "Python"-gt"Javascript"
True

flawr

HQ9++ Is object oriented too.

Alex A.

This is open for delete votes now that it has +8/-10. Someone also pointed out that the output text doesn't even match the challenge.

Hint hint

VoteToClose

/me raises ALL the flags.

flawr

Nudge Nudge Wink Wink

VoteToClose

7:28 PM

Say no more, say no more.

TanMath

I can't flag the answer!

VoteToClose

That's because it has poofed.

Sp3000

Hmm weird, why's the C# one getting so many votes?

Alex A.

Flagging wouldn't help anyway

VoteToClose

@Sp3000 First time golfer. He's gonna hit the rep limit and be so sad.

TanMath

7:30 PM

I am going to write a sandboxed challenge about writing a sig fig calculator

flawr

So christmas is coming, @AlexA. did you already buy some presents?

E.g. for @ಠ_ಠ ?

Sp3000

Ah k - was just wondering because apart from that and unnecessary ASCII art, all the other votes have been pretty flat

VoteToClose

github.com/Mego/Seriously/issues/10

Alex A.

@flawr Not yet. And I hadn't planned on getting anything for anyone's sock accounts. :P

flawr

@Sp3000 Is that a pun on the c# ?

VoteToClose

7:31 PM

@flawr /me claps. Slowly.

Sp3000

Nope, it wasn't meant to be, but maybe I should go and get my glasses...

VoteToClose

I'm a good 145 bytes shorter than the second shortest 99 bottles answer! \o/

Geobits

\

Sp3000

stab stab

VoteToClose

Wonder if anybody with gzuncompress this.

Thomas Kwa

7:34 PM

What's the policy on CW for answers that have an original solution in addition to a solution from somewhere else?

flawr

@VoteToClose Have I told you about my idea for Javagony?

Thomas Kwa

I ask because codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/64201/39328

VoteToClose

@flawr Java == Javagony.

flawr

@VoteToClose You can make it worse: Disallow for,if,switch,while,dowhile.

Thomas Kwa

Should it be split up into a non-CW answer and a CW answer?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:35 PM

@VoteToClose ಠ_ಠ

quartata

5

A: Halloween Golf: The 2spooky4me Challenge!

Chef, 414 bytes S. Ingredients. g i 2 g t 115 l s 112 l p 111 l o 107 l k 121 l y 109 l m 101 l e Method. Take i from refrigerator.Put e into mixing bowl.Put m into mixing bowl.Put i into mixing bowl.Add t.Put y into mixing bowl.Put k into mixing bowl.Put o into mixing bowl.Put o into mixing b...

My favorite answer of all time, really

VoteToClose

@flawr this is a bad suggestion please do not implement oh my days

quartata

I'm just going through my old answers looking for cool stuff

TanMath

look:

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A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

JavaScript ES5, 328 318 bytes eval('function s(o){return v=(o?o:" no more")+" bottle"+(1==o?"":"s")}for(o="",i=99;i>=0;)o+=s(i)+"@ on the wall, "+v+"@.\\nTake one down, pass it around, "+s(--i)+"@ on the wall.\\n";alert(o+"No more bottles@ on the wall, no more bottles@.\\nGo to the store and buy...

This hasn't been tested!

VoteToClose

@TanMath Is this copied from somewhere else?

TanMath

7:36 PM

@VoteToClose the last part is, but the actual golfed code isn't

(from what I understand)

flawr

I think it is from here:

VoteToClose

Shouldn't it be split into two answers, then the CW part CW'd?

flawr

You might be interested in: 99-bottles-of-beer.net — flawr 3 hours ago

here to be precise.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath The second part, silly.

VoteToClose

And, secondly, if the reasons for the votes are for the CW section, then it should be CW'd altogether. But there's no way to test that.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:38 PM

The main submission is valid.

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oh.. so you did test the first part?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath Yes. That's why untested is missing in the first ES5 header :P

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oh.. ok.. sorry!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath It's okay ^_^

Sorry if I seemed harsh.

I hate when I do something wrong :P

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ no.. you are fine

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ me too!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:39 PM

:D hi five

VoteToClose

11 mins ago, by VoteToClose

Say no more, say no more.

TanMath

hi five too

Sp3000

btw @TanMath sorry if I came across as harsh earlier too :/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Let's all apologize to TanMath XD

VoteToClose

I'M SORRY TANMATH!

For whatever.

And stuff.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:40 PM

o_o

Damn who downvoted my answer?

TELL ME WHAT I HAVE DONE WRONGG!!!

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Someone salty? Not me.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose @Geobits ? :3

TanMath

@Sp3000 it's ok

@VoteToClose i forgive you

VoteToClose

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Probably.

@TanMath \o/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Maybe they didn't like the art I posted.

VoteToClose

7:42 PM

Who hates text art, though? D:

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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A: Showcase your language one vote at a time

Desmos (View them here!) 9-vote 3x\ge 4y^2 Desmos supports inequalities of nonlinear quality! This produces the inequality 3x ≥ 4y2 and graphs it. 8-vote \theta _2 This shows that Desmos supports the explicit \theta variable, which prints like this: θ. The _2 is a subscript, so the full ...

quartata

@flawr Groovy

Fight Java with more Java

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose @feersum does >_<

Sp3000

@VoteToClose I do, if I don't find it interesting :P

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ i upvoted btw..

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:43 PM

@TanMath :D DANKE

VoteToClose

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A: Showcase your language one vote at a time

Vitsy I've been wanting to put this up for ages. Here we go... Factoid: Vitsy is a stack-based 1D programming language with a stack composed of stacks composed of doubles. At any point, the program stack may look like this: 4 8 9 As you can see, each sub-stack may have its own unique len...

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why is desmos considered as a language?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TanMath It can add, it has lists, etc.

VoteToClose

Can I get some love for the 1 byte StackOverflowException? :D

@TanMath Because graphs are math.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Meta post 1

quartata

7:44 PM

14

A: Does desmos.com count as a programming language?

Yes, Desmos.com counts as a programming language Scoring is the "normal" bytecount without special rules The examples above of Desmos.com's programming language demonstrate that it is a fully-functional programming language capable of solving a wide range of problems (probably all primitive rec...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ meta post pt. 2

geokavel

Hi guys, I have a question. I want to post a challenge based on this article: washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/… Basically write a program where the user inputs which states they want red and blue, and the output is a map with the right coloring. I don't personally know how to do it myself, but would it be a good challenge?

quartata

d_{iv}\left(x,n\right)=1\left\{\frac{x}{n}=\operatorname{floor}\left(\frac{x}{n}\right),0\right\}
p_{rime}\left(x\right)=1-\operatorname{sign}\left(\sum _{n=2}^{x-1}d_{iv}\left(x,n\right)\right)

Prime checking

VoteToClose

@geokavel I'd give it a +1. Sounds good.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

interrupted :3

VoteToClose

7:46 PM

@geokavel Is it restricted to graphical-output or ascii-art or...?

flawr

unicode-art

TanMath

shameless advertisement:

0

A: Draw the national flag of France

Python, 223 bytes from turtle import* def D(): fill(1) fd(100) rt(90) fd(200) rt(90) fd(100) rt(90) fd(200) rt(90) fill(0) lt(180) fillcolor("#0055a4") D() fillcolor("white") setpos(100,0) D() fillcolor("#ef4135") setpos(200,0) D() Try it here

Sp3000

@geokavel It sounds like an okay challenge, but you'd need to be pretty clear about how the map is specified

VoteToClose

^

quartata

@VoteToClose Don't be so encoding-racist.

flawr

7:46 PM

^

^ ಠ_ಠ @quartata

iso-8859-1-art

cp437-art

i was thinking, graphical output. There is a default map you're given and then you color it accordingly.

VoteToClose

ಠ_ಠ-art

quartata

7:47 PM

utf32-art

flawr

tag-art

geokavel

But if you can do it in ASCII, why not?

Sp3000

@TanMath I didn't do this in my pastebin link because I wanted you to try golfing yourself, but you can collapse D to one line

VoteToClose

@geokavel It should be tagged as graphical-output. Is it a code-golf?

geokavel

Yes, code golf.

VoteToClose

7:49 PM

Thinking of any special rules?

Sp3000

@geokavel Either way I think it'd be good to have a set image provided - for graphical, it could be a particular image with white states so state positions can be hardcoded; for ascii-art you should post the original ASCII art to be coloured

VoteToClose

^ Otherwise they can make micro-resolution.

geokavel

yeah, that's exactly what i wanted as far as the graphical output, you're given a blank map as an image file.

Sp3000

I was more concerned about comments saying "that doesn't quite look like California to me"

VoteToClose

Side note: molarmful might be making a text encoding called ಠ_ಠ.

geokavel

7:51 PM

The thing is I don't know how accurately people can get it.

flawr

@VoteToClose Why would anyone do that. ಠ_ಠ

VoteToClose

1

A: Shortest infinite loop producing no output

ಠ_ಠ, 31 bytes ಠ4ಠ ಠ4ಠ ಠ1ಠ ಠ?ಠ Explanation ಠ4ಠ # Push 4 to the stack [4] ಠ4ಠ # Push 4 to the stack [4,4] ಠ1ಠ # Push 1 to the stack [4,4,1] ಠ?ಠ # Essentially: go to line 4

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

updated it:

10

A: Showcase your language one vote at a time

Desmos (View them here!) 10-vote r=.5\theta (There is a trailing space, mandatory as per this meta post) This creates a lovely parametric equation i.e. tight-ish spiral. 9-vote 3x\ge 4y^2 Desmos supports inequalities of nonlinear quality! This produces the inequality 3x ≥ 4y2 and graphs...

flawr

Omg, I need some more ideas for my matlab answer there=/

geokavel

I'll post it on sandbox and we'll see how it goes from there.

VoteToClose

7:52 PM

I've discovered that I generally up vote questions that my own language can't do.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ If I did that with Simplex, I wouldn't upvote very much.

#boasting

VoteToClose

^ Same, actually. c;

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

More boasting: I surpassed @AlexA. in rep change

@VoteToClose x3

VoteToClose

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3

A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Vitsy, 0 Bytes Seriously ain't got nothin' on me. (@Mego I'm so sorry. ;))

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I have no upvotes left today, sorry ;-;

VoteToClose

7:55 PM

D: How?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

...

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do not feel bad, downvotes are ok too=P

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I haven't been posting much lately

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I know ^_^

flawr

@AlexA. has been busy polishing his diamond.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:55 PM

@VoteToClose I am the @Geobits of upvoting.

New Meta Posts

0

Q: When do I have to include things like Java's public static void main

Can someone tell me why sometimes people are including class C{public static void main(String[]a){...}} and sometimes that seems to be not necessary?(http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/62373/46569)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I want to make a programming language in which functions are defined externally as a wiki. Like, a person makes a page 1 with the contents of the function; when that character is called in said programming language, the code is executed :P

flawr

I'm in!

Just don't make it too publicly editable.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr Ah, right.

That could be problematic.

Rainbolt

If someone says "Sorry I am a horrible person. I forgot." and I say "No worries." does that mean I agree that they are a horrible person?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:59 PM

@Rainbolt Yup.

Ish

Rainbolt

What am I supposed to say? Can you guys just be me all the time?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"It's okay" means that. "No worries" means sort of "forget about it, all is okay"

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You could make the code time dependent: The code uses the definitions of the functions that were active at the time the code was written=)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr xD

flawr

#nothingIsSoBadYouCannotMakeItWorse

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:02 PM

Or every program could have a header, using library N :P

Each person could have their own N library.

XD

"do it yourself program language making"

geokavel

Do I need to make sure images I use in my challenge and the default blank map are public domain?

flawr

Theoretically.

Alex A.

@flawr :P

flawr

Take stuff from wikipedia, then you do not need to worry=)

I mean nobody cares, nobody checks...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Wikipedia goes closed-source

:P

flawr

8:07 PM

SO goes closed-source.

You are not allowed to post any code anymore.

Same for PPCG

Only roman numerals.

(c) by Cesar 64AD.

@flawr LXIV

@TimmyD Nope you cannot use it, because it is copyrighted!

TimmyD

@flawr wolframalpha.com/input/?i=64+in+roman+numerals

flawr

8:10 PM

And why would cesar know which jerks get born how many years later.

VoteToClose

@geokavel Make sure you sandbox it first!

flawr

That is what I like about the english language: You can make anything a verb.

You can verb everything.

You

I you'd it.

Naw

8:12 PM

^ Grammatically correct, implies that I did something that you do commonly.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose -_-

TimmyD

> English is awesome: Insert the word "only" anywhere in this sentence -- She told him that she loved him.

flawr

She tonlyld him that she loved him.

3

VoteToClose

> She tonly

Wow. She must've been pretty wide.

TimmyD

$s-split' '-join' only '

ya goofballs

flawr

8:15 PM

goofballs?

You wanna say we goofballed you?

TimmyD

I stand by my teasing insults.

duzzy

Who here would win at a game of goofball?

flawr

What is it?

VoteToClose

> English is awesome: Police police police police police police police police police police police police police police.

duzzy

I'm not seeing much competitiveness.

TimmyD

8:17 PM

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is a grammatically correct sentence in the English language, used as an example of how homonyms and homophones can be used to create complicated linguistic constructs. It has been discussed in literature, in various forms, since 1967 when it appeared in Dmitri Borgmann's Beyond Language: Adventures in Word and Thought. The sentence uses three distinct meanings of the word buffalo: the city of Buffalo, New York; the somewhat uncommon verb to buffalo, meaning "to bully or intimidate"; and the animal itself, buffalo. Paraphrased, the...

SuperJedi224

Hi

Geobits

@flawr Missing an 'o' ;)

One of my favorite YouTube channels

VoteToClose

@TimmyD My chain is infinite. As long as you say 4 "polices" at the beginning, you add 2*(an integer) polices. It's valid forever.

flawr

8:21 PM

So you only get an infinite number of finite chains...

TanMath

My shameless advertisement didn't work. I guess my French flag isn't impressive!

TimmyD

@VoteToClose Any number of "Buffalo" is valid

flawr

Shameless ads are usually not impressive.

3

Sp3000

@TanMath I commented :(

TanMath

@Sp3000 you mean your chat reply?

@flawr it works for others!

when does Dennis come over?

BTW, is there a person who actually reads a day of the chat transcript?

if so, reply! show yourself... I don't believe anybody would

Sp3000

8:25 PM

Yeah my chat reply

Also I try to catch up on transcript each day, but usually it ends with me skimming past lots of random

TanMath

@Sp3000 yes..

@Sp3000 I will try to work on it.. I just put semicolons and no spaces all on one line?

Alex A.

I typically avoid voting at all if someone posts a shameless advertisement, unless the answer is really deserving.

3

Sp3000

@TanMath Try it, yeah. Also I think you can use goto instead of setpos

TanMath

@Sp3000 oh.. ok! thanks!

@AlexA. so you are not the one upvoting the shameless advertisement asnwers?

Alex A.

Correct

2

VoteToClose

8:39 PM

^

flawr

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New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Help Ben Carson Make Maps Great Again The cartography team of U.S. Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson is having some trouble with maps (image via Washington Post): The problem is they don't have the Right Tool For The Job™. They need the most compact and efficient program possible, so...

TimmyD

8:57 PM

$c='('+($c-replace'-','..'-split','-join'),(')+')'|iex
$c=((1..$c.count|%{$c[$_-1]-join' '})-join' ')-split' '

Turns a string formulated as 5,1-3,6,10-13,20-27 into an int array of those numbers and ranges, preserving ordering.

Is nearly 1/3rd of my answer to Help me manage my time

VoteToClose

I'm still 145 bytes ahead! \o/

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