The Nineteenth Byte

5:00 PM

Oh noes I noticed a typo in it

"Place" should be "Put"

Oh well

Note that quartata had already sandboxed a 99BB catalog several weeks ago and was planning to post it. — Alex A. ♦ 20 secs ago

Answers in the catalogs still need to meet our definitions of a language, right? cc @MartinBüttner

quartata

@AlexA. Yes they do.

So the HQ9+ one is invalid

kill it with fire please

Martin Büttner

@AlexA. yes unless stated otherwise

Alex A.

That's what I thought, thanks.

@quartata I left a comment so hopefully @TheDoctor will delete it himself.

PhiNotPi

We should make cards for a bunch of users, and then develop a KOTH for it.

TimmyD

5:15 PM

TimmyD uses PowerShell! It's not very effective.

quartata

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A: DCSS morgue file parser

F#, 377 bytes open System.Text.RegularExpressions let s=System.String.IsNullOrWhiteSpace>>not let m f=Regex.Match((f+"").Split[|'\r';'\n'|]|>Seq.filter s|>Seq.take 8|>Seq.reduce(fun a z->a+z.Trim()), ".*n (.*) c.*\.([0-9]+) (.*) \(l.* (.*),.*a (.*) o.*\.(?:(S.*)|W.*(E.*)).*.T.*\((.*) .*\).").Gro...

F# kill it with fire ahhhhhhh

nueeee

?

Noooo

F# terrifies me

Why?

5:18 PM

It's OCaml but scarier and more Microsoft

Thomas Kwa

my first downvoted answer

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A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Seriously, 1 byte N This is a builtin that works only if the stack is empty.

Alex A.

It isn't a terribly interesting answer TBH but not deserving of a downvote IMO.

Thomas Kwa

Yeah, it's uninteresting, but valid. I posted a comment explaining that, but I don't expect the downvoter to retract.

This hurts more than I thought it would.

Alex A.

:(

I'm sorry

Downvotes aren't personal.

(unless they're serial, but the system typically catches and reverts them)

quartata

@ThomasKwa D:

Thomas Kwa

5:22 PM

@AlexA. You're right; I need to remember that.

Alex A.

:)

feersum

@ThomasKwa Good job for posting it! It's important to punish people who make 99BOB commands by not letting them post it themselves ;)

Sp3000

@ThomasKwa Would you mind editing your answer a bit for me?

quartata

@feersum mwahaha

feersum

Should I add -ftemplate-backtrace-limit=0 to the gcc options for the Templates Considered Harmful compiler?

Then the error messages would be even more epic.

Calvin's Hobbies

5:29 PM

.

feersum

If this language achieves any distinction, it will surely be for the longest error messages.

Thomas Kwa

@Sp3000 Editing how?

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies hi

Sp3000

Link the language's Github maybe?

Alex A.

99BB is a seriously flawed song. Why would one share one's beer?

Thomas Kwa

5:34 PM

@Sp3000 Done

Dennis

@ThomasKwa You have zero downvotes? o_O

Thomas Kwa

Now I do

Thanks sp3000

At least I don't remember ever having a post downvoted.

Dennis

How do you do that?

Thomas Kwa

I don't know.

Dennis

I just tried, and the output of Seriously's N command is different from the lyrics in the challenge.

quartata

5:37 PM

I think Thomas needs a card to demonstrate his sheer awesome

Protection from downvotes is no laughing matter

Thomas Kwa

@Dennis Hmm

Alex A.

@Dennis Ohhhhhhhh dang. cc @Mego

Dennis

99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer
Take one down and pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall.98 bottles of beer on the wall, 98 bottles of beer
Take one down and pass it around, 97 bottles of beer on the wall.97 bottles of beer on the wall, 97 bottles of beer
Take one down and pass it around, 96 bottles of beer on the wall.96 bottles of beer on the wall, 96 bottles of beer
Take one down and pass it around, 95 bottles of beer on the wall.95 bottles of beer on the wall, 95 bottles of beer

quartata

Uh-oh

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A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Haskell, 228 bytes o=" of beer on the wall" a 1="1 bottle" a n=shows n" bottles" b 1="Go to the store and buy some more, "++a 99 b n="Take one down and pass it around, "++a(n-1) f=[99,98..1]>>= \n->[a n,o,", ",a n," of beer.\n",b n,o,".\n\n"]>>=id Function f returns a string with the lyrics.

Aren't functions not allowed?

Thomas Kwa

I'll see what the source says

Alex A.

5:38 PM

@quartata In this one I guess they are

Says so in the post

Dennis

@quartata Your program must log to STDOUT or an acceptable alternative, or be returned from a function.

flawr

This answer took quite some effort: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/64216/24877

Thomas Kwa

I can't download the interpreter right now but if it diesn't work I'll delete until it's fixed

Alex A.

There's an online interpreter for Seriously

quartata

@AlexA. ...why

Alex A.

5:40 PM

@quartata Don't ask me, not my challenge

quartata

Tis not the catalog way

Alex A.

Even with my comment stating that it's invalid, this is still getting upvotes. >:(

quartata

@AlexA. ..

Dennis

@AlexA. Which doesn't display newlines correctly, since the output has no <pre> tag. (CC @Mego)

flawr

@AlexA. Lucky me: HQ9+B

Thomas Kwa

5:42 PM

Yeah, the source code indicates no \ns in the output @dennis

Dennis

Not in all the right places, anyway. The first sentence is also missing a dot.

Thomas Kwa

I've deleted the answer.

'tis a shame

flawr

@AlexA. Or should I have told TheDoctor that there is HQ9+B?

Thomas Kwa

@flawr I don't think HQ9+B is valid either

Alex A.

It's TC

Dennis

5:43 PM

@flawr That only evaluates user input as BF. Doesn't help.

flawr

Nope, it does not.

You need to place a B first. The following code is then interpreted as BrainFuck.

Dennis

Esolangs says otherwise.

esolangs.org/wiki/HQ9%2BB

> B: read input and execute as a brainfuck program.

flawr

This is exactly what I said!?!?

Geobits

I can't seem to find any HQ9+ interpreter anywhere that prints the lyrics exactly as shown in the question anyway. Can you point me to one? Otherwise any variant, no matter how TC, is going to be invalid IMO.

flawr

Well then...

Dennis

5:47 PM

@flawr The following code is then interpreted as BrainFuck. sounds like BF in the source code. read input and execute as a brainfuck program. sounds like BF from STDIN. Not sure if I'm missing something.

Thomas Kwa

Hmm, from looking through my past answers one was actually downvoted.

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A: Calculate Standard Deviation

TI-BASIC, 7 bytes stdDev(augment(Ans,{mean(Ans I borrowed the algorithm to get population standard deviation from sample standard deviation from here. The shortest solution I could find without augment( is 9 bytes: stdDev(Ans√(1-1/dim(Ans

If I'd only marked it as CW from the start, instead of trying to find my own shorter solution...

@Dennis how many downvotes do you have?

Geobits

Is there any easy way to tell?

Dennis

@ThomasKwa Too many to count.

Alex A.

I have 1 on World Big Dosa and only a couple on answers.

Optimizer

why are you not counting the ones on @ಠ_ಠ's?

@ThomasKwa mostly from the "golfing language" haters.

Alex A.

6:04 PM

@Optimizer Because that isn't my account and I don't know what of theirs has or has not been downvoted

Optimizer

nice try!

Alex A.

Uh, okay. I'm not really trying anything, just stating facts...

quartata

@AlexA. 1 on World Big Dosa? wat

Literally the best challenge known to mankind

Alex A.

Haha

Optimizer

ughh no.

Alex A.

6:06 PM

In retrospect it's quite broad and really, really hard.

quartata

But the title is catchy that's good enough

Alex A.

But live and learn.

Optimizer

its broad and hard?

quartata

And it has a lisp answer

anOKsquirrel

Wello horld

Alex A.

6:07 PM

@quartata Yeah, that's nuts!

I was hoping for a Chef answer but I guess a guy in the comments was working on one and only got one piece of the spec implemented and it was already too long for an SE post.

quartata

@AlexA. I was going to make a Chef answer but gave up when I realized I was an idiot and couldn't do it

Optimizer

@quartata oh, so that's how you came to know about it?

at least it did something good!

quartata

@Optimizer What, Chef or that I'm an idiot?

Optimizer

later

quartata

@Optimizer I see.

Alex A.

6:12 PM

@quartata Not being able to do World Big Dosa in Chef does not imply idiocy.

This is still getting upvotes! Wtf! >:O

anOKsquirrel

oooh portal 2 soundtrack is good

flawr

Link?

VoteToClose

@Mego If you're going to have a built in for 99 bottles, DO IT RIGHT. XD

Alex A.

lel

feersum

Making it a catalog was a big mistake. Now he can fix the punctuation!

VoteToClose

6:19 PM

carefully watches for github update to snipe the answer

Optimizer

Seriously!

anOKsquirrel

gtg

VoteToClose

Right. I'm off to dinner. Which means watching GitHub and eating simultaneously. makes refresh bot

Alex A.

@VoteToClose gets kicked in the shins by the GitHub rate limiter

VoteToClose

That's a thing? D:

Alex A.

6:22 PM

Sure is

VoteToClose

fml. So much for sniping.

flawr

sniping?

Alex A.

I've gotten in a couple times (I think erroneously) just by idly browsing.

@flawr He wants to post a Seriously answer before Mego does.

flawr

That means mego is adjusting his output?

Alex A.

@VoteToClose I believe @ThomasKwa already has dibs on a Seriously answer once the interpreter is fixed since his was posted first.

feersum

6:24 PM

Idea: fork Seriously.

VoteToClose

/me snaps.

quartata

@AlexA. >:(

@feersum this

VoteToClose

Alright. I'll leave it to Thomas. :D

quartata

Matter of a fact, I can fix Seriously right now if you want.

Just gotta slog through the spaghetti Python code

Alex A.

@flawr I think the hope is that he will. Since it's a catalog, people are allowed to use languages and language versions newer than the challenge.

flawr

6:24 PM

Hm but didn't we already have a 99bb challenge?

Alex A.

It was a popcon, not a golf

quartata

@flawr it was a popularity-contest

flawr

We have closed challenges that have been less similar to their "dupes".

Alex A.

Yep. But the objective in a popcon is entirely different than in code golf.

quartata

99BB has been on the catalog hit-list for a while.

Sp3000

6:26 PM

@VoteToClose "the last line is incorrect (and also..."

VoteToClose

That's what I originally meant. :P

Alex A.

Geobits noted that 99BB is a subtask of a challenge for making an HQ9+ interpreter though.

Sp3000

I know, hence why I don't get your comment o_O

VoteToClose

Yeah. look at how well Vitsy's doing. :D

Oh. Right. Er.

>.> deletes comment very unsuspiciously

Sp3000

Vitsy's doing ~20 bytes worse than Python, which is saying something

Alex A.

6:28 PM

@quartata sigh TheDoctor has gotten +62 rep so far for posting an invalid answer.

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VoteToClose

Mod-delete? He's gaining rep for an answer that doesn't deserve rep.

Alex A.

I figured I'd give him the chance to delete it himself.

VoteToClose

>.> I wouldn't delete it if I had posted it. xD

Alex A.

:/ Really?

Why?

You literally just said that the answer doesn't deserve rep. Who posted it doesn't matter, it's invalid either way.

Optimizer

@AlexA. he is telling the state of mind of OP

Alex A.

6:35 PM

Ah, yeah. Good point.

I'll give him a day to delete it himself and after that, if it's still there, I'll mod delete it.

Sp3000

@insertusernamehere whitespace yes. You may omit the newlines between each pair of lines. — GamrCorps 26 mins ago

^^ :/

Alex A.

What? Seriously?

ah

I'm tempted to call this a dupe of HQ9+ interpreter because, as Geobits noted, it's a subtask, though the required text is very (very) slightly different.

Sp3000

Unfortunately that slightly makes a big difference for some languages :/

Alex A.

u_u

Sp3000

Side note: How many submissions currently print with a double newline?

Alex A.

6:45 PM

Mine does

flawr

^

Sp3000

*trailing newline

:/ well.

Alex A.

Should it not?

flawr

Does anyone here know Flint Eastwood?

Alex A.

Idk man, this seems underspecified compared to the other catalogs

Sp3000

6:47 PM

You just answered what I was going to answer to your "Should it not?"

Alex A.

Haha

feersum

It doesn't need as much specification.

All it does is print a fixed string.

flawr

I still wonder why we haven't gotten a catalog tag yet, as it seems to be a quasi standard.

Alex A.

For some reason I thought we discussed having such a tag but the consensus was against it

Sp3000

^^ ditto

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Q: Does PPCG fulfil a role as a catalogue for golfed solution of standard programming exercises?

Rosetta Code collects solutions to standard programming exercises in hundreds of programming languages. However, it focuses on "good" or idiomatic solutions in those languages. I'm not aware of a similar catalogue from a golfing perspective. Is PPCG capable of fulfilling that role? Do we have cha...

^^ List is there anyway

trichoplax

6:49 PM

meta-tag

Alex A.

@feersum I think it needs more specification than it currently has, that's for sure. The exact text of the "fixed" string isn't really "fixed."

feersum

@AlexA. How is that?

Alex A.

The OP didn't address trailing whitespace and has stated that double newlines are not necessary despite it being the example text.

feersum

If only OP refrain from comments saying that certain characters are optional, there would be no problem...

Allowed trailing newline count is the only real question to specify.

trichoplax

@AlexA. If it's an invalid answer according to consensus on meta, maybe someone should flag it for a mod...

feersum

6:52 PM

Can someone test my answer? I want to see if the python script works.

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A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Templates Considered Harmful, 667 bytes Ap<Fun<Ap<Fun<Cat<Cat<Cat<Cat<Ap<A<1,1>,A<1>>,A<2,1>>,St<44,32>>,Ap<A<1,1>,A<1>>>,If<A<1>,Cat<Cat<Cat<Cat<St<46,10,84,97,107,101,32,111,110,101,32,100,111,119,110,32,97,110,100,32,112,97,115,115,32,105,116,32,97,114,111,117,110,100,44,32>,Ap<A<1,1>,Sub<A<1>,T