The Nineteenth Byte

Dennis

10:00 PM

@AlexA. It's identical to CJam, but has atlab in its name.

Alex A.

Sweet.

El'endia Starman

@Mego AHH, okay, I did not know that.

TimmyD

@AlexA. We're arguing the same thing. I was using the example of HQ9+ as a precursor to what would happen if we loosen the restrictions on language.

Anonymous

Of course, said theory class was 2 years ago, so my memory may not be perfect.

Dennis

@ThomasKwa For me, those restrictions are just a way of sieving out submissions in cat/base64/rot13 without sounding arbitrary.

El'endia Starman

10:01 PM

@Mego Well, it makes sense. It felt wrong to say that Turing completeness need not actually be complete.

Calvin's Hobbies

@ThomasKwa I agree that languages like that are really skirting our rules. I hadn't realized that was the point of Bubblegum

Anonymous

I'm still not sure what language would be able to solve a decent number of our challenges, meet our requirements, yet not be Turing complete.

Alex A.

///?

Anonymous

I guess 2CMs like Pancake Stack are close, but not being able to calculate 2^N is a pretty big problem

Anonymous

@AlexA. /// is TC

Alex A.

10:02 PM

Oh, okay.

VoteToClose

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A: Write a Program that Writes a function BUT in a different language!

Minecraft 1.8.7 to K, 7 + 33 + 27 + 62 = 129 Bytes Command blocks (going from left to right): scoreboard objectives add K dummy scoreboard players set J K <input> tellraw @a {score:{name:"J",objective:"K"},extra:[{text:"+"}]} This could probably be golfed a little more, but it's fairly sim...

c:

Moar MC shenanigans.

El'endia Starman

@Mego I feel like almost any language with access to any part of memory is essentially Turing complete. BF is one example, and there are OISC (one instruction set computers) that are Turing complete as well, despite having just one instruction.

Thomas Kwa

@Calvin'sHobbies Are we allowed to answer questions older than the definition of a programming language in a non-programming language?

Calvin's Hobbies

Huh?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'm catching up with CJam! In JavaScript!!!

Thomas Kwa

10:07 PM

Like, say I want to answer a question from 2012 in Deadfish

VoteToClose

Minecraft is a programming language according to our definition, by the way. >.> Learned this recently.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ ikr!

VoteToClose

/scoreboard players operation J K += J K would be simple addition syntax.

Assuming you instantialized variable J and objective K.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

JK, just kidding

Calvin's Hobbies

@ThomasKwa Oh. Not sure. (I'm ok with that.)

VoteToClose

10:10 PM

>.> They were variables I used for a solution I just posted.

Thomas Kwa

@Calvin'sHobbies eh, I'll post it.

Anonymous

@VoteToClose I would have waited to post a MC solution to a problem until there was a clear consensus on scoring

VoteToClose

@Mego ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It would change the scoring by 4 bytes max.

Also, there is an accepted method of scoring: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/7397/44713

Anonymous

@VoteToClose Accepted != consensus. Right now, that answer has +6/-2, while another has +6/-3. That's not clear consensus.

VoteToClose

Very true.

SuperJedi224

10:17 PM

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A: Code Billiards (Levenshtein golf)

Java, score 8331 Them levenshtein distances are killing my score here. (These programs take input as command line arguments) Program 1 (119): class L{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print(Integer.toString(Integer.parseInt(a[0]),36).toUpperCase()); Program 2 (120+561.5=539): c...

Which probably won't be all that hard to beat.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis One could make a Bubblegum-like language that doesn't depend on our definition of programming language so much. e.g. "Bubblegoo is an esoteric language. If a Bubblegoo program starts with the exact string 'Bublegoo' then the rest is interpreted and run as python. Otherwise the [Bubblegum decompression stuff is done]."

Dennis

That's pretty much the same language in theory (prefix vs specific hash). In practice, they're quite different, but there's no good reason to use Bubblegoo either.

Calvin's Hobbies

Well no one could complain that Bubblegoo is not turing complete or can't do a certain programming task.

Thomas Kwa

@Calvin'sHobbies Posted

That's the most troll and questionably valid answer I've ever written.

trichoplax

@TanMath I don't...

Dennis

10:22 PM

0.25 bytes?

trichoplax

Is that what you call a 2 bit solution?

Doorknob

@ThomasKwa if the interpreter can't run it, it's invalid

Thomas Kwa

@Doorknob I can still write an interpreter that runs it, right?

Doorknob

yes, but then the interpreter will have been written after the challenge was posted, making it invalid

VoteToClose

@ThomasKwa But then it doesn't count as a valid answer. You'd have t- ^

Dennis

10:24 PM

> t- ^

VoteToClose

He got it before me. :P

Doorknob

an acknowledgement of ninja'dness :P

Thomas Kwa

I thought the rule was that the spec must have been published before the challenge

Doorknob

@ThomasKwa nope

spec != language

Thomas Kwa

Don't we allow people to submit answers in previously unimplemented languages by writing an interpreter?

Doorknob

10:25 PM

no

Dennis

Only for catalogs, I think.

trichoplax

Or as non-competing answers?

Doorknob

well yeah

I'm trying to find the meta post about this

VoteToClose

@ThomasKwa See: ALL Vitsy answers.

Thomas Kwa

Ah, that was probably the source of my confusion

Doorknob

10:26 PM

okay seriously stop abusing stars

135

VoteToClose

You know, I think that MC would do pretty well at 99 bottles.

Wait. Never mind. I thought it over again.

Everything is implicitly ...println().

Dennis

Every time I look at that challenge, I wonder why this answer was accepted:

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A: Shortest code to produce infinite output

sed, 0 characters This sed program produces infinite output, provided (that was not limited by the contest!) that infinite input is provided: yes | sed '' Some other, non-optimal solution so that you are not bored: sed, 5 chars: :;p;b dc, 7 chars: [pdx]dx

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob Did the "I don't" just get unstarred? That was honest, not abuse

Dennis

And why it got 17 upvotes.

Thomas Kwa

@Dennis Well, it warn't a standard loophole then, but it's not a good answer either

Dennis

10:29 PM

18 upvotes. sighs

VoteToClose

> warn't

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies Was that someone deciding it was useful or interesting to know that I don't know Pyth...?? :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis Sorry, clicked the wrong button

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies why would you star "I don't"? o.o

Dennis

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Haha. OK.

Thomas Kwa

10:30 PM

@VoteToClose You can tell what book I reread recently

VoteToClose

I really can't. :D

Question: why don't we get rep for meta posts?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob Because I'm on trichoplax's side when he tells an apparently surprised TanMath that he doesn't understand Pyth

anOKsquirrel

wello

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies Ah now I see. It's in favour of that being unsurprising rather than in favour of my ignorance...

Dennis

@ThomasKwa Oh, you're right. I thought the loopholes had been around a little longer...

anOKsquirrel

10:32 PM

any thoughts on improving codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/63700/46787

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax Right :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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hey conor

Hi @anOKsquirrel :D

Hello mr. squirrel

10:35 PM

how are you guys?

SuperJedi224

Okay

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob what does the star symbol on this mean?

anOKsquirrel

@SuperJedi224 same.

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it means it's pinned

VoteToClose

It can never be unstarred!

SuperJedi224

10:36 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was just about to ask that.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob whoaa. Does that mean it's there forever?

anOKsquirrel

@SuperJedi224 me also :P

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ no

things get automatically unpinned

eventually

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It will eventually fall off the star board, but it'll take much longer.

Rainbolt

How are we supposed to know what you think is star abuse? There's a fine line between funny and interesting and stupid.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:37 PM

Cool!

VoteToClose

Um. Btw - you can double-vote on pinned stars, apparently.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob And with only one and a half pages of "starred by me" posts I doubt I'm the biggest star abuser :L

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

How do I check what I've starred?

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies sorry but when the starboard is covered in sand it's kind of hard to find the pearls

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Digital Trauma

theoatmeal.com/comics/plane

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Calvin's Hobbies

10:38 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ here

Doorknob

@Rainbolt "well yeah" is not "funny and interesting" :/

Hello!

@TanMath wello

@TanMath 'Hoy

hey, is there a way to make the desktop notification show for every message, rather than for when you are mentioned?

trichoplax

10:39 PM

@anOKsquirrel yes

Martin Büttner

@DigitalTrauma read that yesterday... The Oatmeal's longer comics are always quite a joy to read :)

anOKsquirrel

@trichoplax How?

trichoplax

@anOKsquirrel Click on the speaker to the top right

VoteToClose

@anOKsquirrel This is a BAD IDEA. REPEAT. DO NOT USE.

anOKsquirrel

Thanks

trichoplax

10:40 PM

@anOKsquirrel Then the same way to turn it off in fury 5 minutes later

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma whoaaa

anOKsquirrel

@trichoplax I'm used to it.

Digital Trauma

@MartinBüttner I hadn't heard that story before - its a good one

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

O-o 11 starred pages

Alex A.

18 hours ago, by Alex A.

TanMath

10:41 PM

Goodbye!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh I remember that.

Alex A.

@Rainbolt This ^^^ this is abuse

Bye @TanMath

@ThomasKwa Fixed. c:

gtg

10:45 PM

I never felt the urge to announce my chat arrivals and departures. Is there some etiquette I'm missing out on here?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma just personality types ;)

VoteToClose

@anOKsquirrel @TanMath Bye!

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ fair enough

Alex A.

@DigitalTrauma I only announce when I'm leaving to go to bed and I was otherwise engaged in conversation. Most of the time I arrive and depart silently. ;)

Anonymous

^

Anonymous

10:47 PM

Jeez Alex stop being right, it's scary

El'endia Starman

@DigitalTrauma I personally find it strange to announce one's chat arrivals and departures. I typically don't.

Anonymous

It's one thing to announce your arrival and departure in chat settings where arrivals, departures, and who is in the chat is not often seen

Calvin's Hobbies

@DigitalTrauma It's silly IMO. If everyone said hello/goodbye to everyone else we'd never have time to talk about real things.

Anonymous

It's another thing entirely when the userlist is right there

Digital Trauma

@Calvin'sHobbies When did anyone start talking about real things here?

VoteToClose

10:50 PM

I say bye because I was taught to always excuse myself when I leave any space. o-o

Anonymous

^^

Alex A.

@DigitalTrauma Once upon a time actual conversations happened in here on a regular basis.

Anonymous

@VoteToClose You're so Texan :P

VoteToClose

@Mego \o/

Side note: anybody see my new image? :D

Anonymous

:o

Anonymous

10:51 PM

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Q: Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

Some time ago, the following question was asked: GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth? Based on the title only, I thought that it would be a very nice challenge, but unfortunately, it turned out to be a question asking for tips. Here is the challenge I wanted to read: Who said golfing languages were not...