The Nineteenth Byte

> If you call the Init method in the context without looking for a return value (void context) the parent process will exit here like in earlier versions:

Rainbolt

Looks like someone already hit the sign. It's a little crooked.

Beta Decay

@Pokéfans motherboard.vice.com/en_uk/read/…

quartata

Back. What did I miss?

aditsu

@PhiNotPi be glad it was only half an hour

Alex A.

@quartata Everything. You have no hope of ever getting caught up.

quartata

7:19 PM

I see something about cloning Geobits, a sockpuppet and a road sign...

@AlexA. Ah, rats.

Geobits

@BetaDecay That sounds about right. I like Pokemon and all, but they tend to be strict on the copyright/trademark thing.

Beta Decay

Is Pokéfans the correct terminology?

Geobits

As good as any I guess. Not something I'd use, but it's obvious what you mean.

Beta Decay

Good good

aditsu

Mar 15 at 15:50, by aditsu

the only thing I know about Pokemon is the South Park parody

Alex A.

7:24 PM

Pokémen and Pokéwomen.

Beta Decay

And that's unfortunage because a Pokémon party sounds awesome

Alex A.

> unfortunage

Geobits

@BetaDecay AFAICT, the party wasn't the problem. The use of actual images of Pokemon on the flyer was. Similar to the reason they gave when they DCMA'd my pokedex app off the Play Store.

Beta Decay

Wow

aditsu

as awesome as a ~~Donner~~ doner kebab party

Beta Decay

7:25 PM

That's harsh

What would you have to do to get a pokedex app on the Play Store then?

Geobits

There are several on there now. They just don't have images (or they haven't gotten around to taking them down yet). The ones without images kinda suck, though.

quartata

Basically just find whatever one hasn't been taken down yet.

Geobits

Mine got taken down right when it hit the 500k downloads mark. So if you find one, just hope it doesn't get popular :D

quartata

You had one on the App Store? What was it called?

Geobits

Play Store. It was called Pokedextra.

quartata

7:29 PM

Oh, huh. I thought they only really enforced that kind of stuff on the App Store.

I have a really really good Pokedex called lukomon on my iPod Touch that got taken down ages ago...

Kind of a shame.

aditsu

you could use these images instead :)

Geobits

The top two rows are screenshots of it: google.com/…

aditsu

El'endia Starman

> Shoe

Geobits

I still have it and use it on my phone (and my son's) :)

quartata

7:30 PM

I don't know why Nintendo thinks it's funny to punish its fans really. They're starting to take down TASs...

aditsu

@El'endiaStarman yep, that's an important character in the episode

Alex A.

> Brocorii

Geobits

@quartata It's not the store that really does it. The copyright holder makes a DCMA complaint, and the store has to make a choice. You can't blame them for going the easy route in most cases.

quartata

@Geobits Mm...

Tricky.

Beta Decay

@quartata TAS?

quartata

7:32 PM

Tool Assisted Speedrun.

Alex A.

Toast And Spread

quartata

Although the Speedrun part isn't always the case. People use tool assistance to do a lot of cool stuff in vidya games.

Alex A.

Totally Asinine Stuff

Beta Decay

@quartata I have no idea what one of those is

minxomat

Well, that escalated quickly.

quartata

7:34 PM

@BetaDecay Basically a speedrun of a game with certain tools that allow them to slow down execution of the game, go frame by frame, program repetitive inputs, take a peek at values in memory, etc.

Beta Decay

@quartata Ohh I see

quartata

When the "movie" is complete, it plays back in full and you get to see some crazy stunts.

It also allows them to go back in time and "rerecord" which is very handy indeed.

Beta Decay

So it's like how Neil Young is being a grumpy git and taking down all of the guitar chords of his songs from Ultimate Guitar

quartata

Basically.

They claim it's because you have to modify the ROM to use them which is just untrue. It's basically just a special emulator.

In theory you could even do it on console with something like a Gameshark.

It would take a lot of programming.

Geobits

Back in my day, a speed run was done with pseudoephedrine pills and cocaine, not these fancy "tools".

9

quartata

7:36 PM

@Geobits Need a time machine too.

For the complete experience.

Beta Decay

Just remember not to screw your mum when you use it

flawr

13 mins ago, by aditsu

as awesome as a ~~Donner~~ doner kebab party

Donner = thunder

quartata

0

Q: Self-Mutilating Program

Simply put, your goal is to create a complete program that modifies its own source code until every character of the source is different than what it started as. Please include the beginning source as well as the ending source in your post, as well as a description. E.g. Describe what (else) you...

Geobits

Oooh, a thunder party.

quartata

Damn, I thought of the perfect language for this challenge. But I don't want to use it in case an obfuscation challenge ever rolls around.

Beta Decay

7:41 PM

@quartata That is a rather...vivid name...

quartata

Oh well with that two byte labyrinth answer there's no way mine would win :P

Mine is like 15 bytes.

Sven The Surfer

Winning isn't nearly as important as having fun. C:

quartata

I know, but I would have only used it if I was sure it would win. I'm saving it for if I ever finish writing Chain of Conspiracy.

Sven The Surfer

That sounds like a Stephen King novel.

...are you

Stephen King?

2

Geobits

Maybe Richard Bachman. Not Stephen King for sure.

quartata

7:50 PM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Chain of Conspiracy Thanks to Calvin's Hobbies for the idea! This challenge will never end. That's a good start right? So essentially the idea behind this challenge is that I will post an obfuscated piece of code that outputs "Hello World!". If you figure out the language (for sure), you will ...

Alex A.

Stephen King wrote all of his books on pseudoephedrine pills and cocaine. Despite his speedy pace, the books still read like a dictionary.

Sven The Surfer

Hmm... maybe work on that a bit more. I don't think the plot is developed enough. Also where is the character development?

quartata

All jokes aside, I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with it at this point. I need to write a script for calculating the MD5 hash but aside from that...

I think there was one problem in particular but I don't remember what it was....

Alex A.

> Rho rho rho of X / Always equals 1 / Rho is dimension, rho rho is rank / APL is fun - 46y ago by Richard M. Stallman

quartata

APL is a language I've wanted to learn for quite a while. I need to find a keyboard with all those weird characters first.

Alex A.

7:59 PM

No you don't

Geobits

@quartata A posts a code. B posts a crack to A. C wants to crack B, but doesn't know for sure if B is valid (correctly cracked A). A can't verify, because nobody has cracked B yet (from the rules).

All the hashes in the world don't fix that, it's a rules issue.

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Q: Source Code Metamorphosis

mbomb007 asked us to make a self mutilating program. Its an interesting challenge, but I personally don't like to encourage my programs to be self-mutilating. I like to think that, at the heart of every program is a beautiful butterfly waiting to break out. As such, for my first ever Code Golf...

code-golf source-layout

Alex A.

@quartata Download the student version of Dyalog APL (they don't care whether you're a student but you can still sleep at night if you are one). Or use an online interpreter like TryAPL (incomplete implementation of Dyalog), GNU APL (incomplete implementation of the ISO APL standard), or ngn/apl.

Zgarb

@quartata Read this (link to PDF on bottom right): dyalog.com/mastering-dyalog-apl.htm

Then read this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/17665/…

Alex A.

Then weep softly into your pillow.

3

quartata

8:05 PM

Alrighty then.

Alex A.

Those are the basic steps for learning APL.

quartata

0

A: Source Code Metamorphosis

Perl 6, 58 bytes say"I am a catepillar!";s/catepillar/beautiful butterfly/ Requires -p to run properly; I have accounted for this in the byte count.

Hey look at me I can answer questions faster than conventional means

Beta Decay

Woop you're like Martin or Dennis

quartata

Yay!

Geobits

Twelve minutes? Dennis must be sleeping.

Beta Decay

8:06 PM

With the fishes

Like Peter ;)

Alex A.

@Dennis You are needed.

Geobits

Wow. Dark turn.

Alex A.

Peter lives on in our memories.

Beta Decay

:D

quartata

I was tempted to try and beat him to a CJam answer but I'm so dumb I don't know how to do a regex in CJam.

This will probably do okay. It's pretty short. sniff Right?

Beta Decay

8:08 PM

Regex cannot be done in CJam

Alex A.

To not regex in CJam is human.

aditsu

yes it can, it's Turing-complete :)

Geobits

One does not simply... oh never mind.

quartata

I spelled caterpillar catepillar.

I'm so good.

Beta Decay

It is? I swear I saw Dennis say that you can't use regex in CJam today

aditsu

8:09 PM

you can implement regexes in CJam

Alex A.

He meant that you can't. He can.

Geobits

CJam needs libraries. And imports :P

Beta Decay

@AlexA. Dude, what's your beef with me? ;)

aditsu

here's something to start you off: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/59288/7416

Alex A.

@BetaDecay I have no beef with you, nor with anyone. I have no beef.

aditsu

8:14 PM

You Want Beef? (HOOD PRANK)

►

quartata

@AlexA. He's vegetarian, see.

Geobits

I would not eat it here or there, I would not eat it anywhere.

Beta Decay

That's it, aditsu is officially a YouTube bot :D

quartata

(I hope people still like my answer despite the fact that I misspelled caterpillar)

Alex A.

Unredeemable

quartata

8:16 PM

:(

My answers are always doomed to be below 3 upvotes...

Alex A.

@quartata Who told you this

quartata

@AlexA. No one....

Beta Decay

Every time I see your answer, I see the words catepillar

Alex A.

Cate Pillar

Geobits

@BetaDecay You're not the first to make this observation :)

aditsu

8:17 PM

I was guessing he's referring to that ^

quartata

@Geobits WHAT

OK that can't be a coincidence

Beta Decay

@Geobits Yeah, I'm an elephant you see

Geobits

No, I don't see that. Where?

aditsu

well, we already have 1 or 2 xkcd bots, a youtube bot shouldn't hurt :p

Beta Decay

See what, where?

Alex A.

8:18 PM

He's an elephant in the room

Geobits

@BetaDecay That you're an elephant. I don't think that's ever come up, and your avatar gives no indication.

Is your name Horton?

quartata

2

A: Self-Mutilating Program

///, 1 byte / Since OP said in chat that self-modifying BF, which only modifies a copy of its source file, was valid, and /// does the same, this should be too. The program finds a / (the start of a pattern-replacement group), and removes it in preparation to make the replacement. Then it rea...

Oh man I knew there was a language I was forgetting when I saw this...

Beta Decay

@Geobits Don't be stupid, Horton's fictional. Everyone knows that elephants can't hear whos

Geobits

They hear Whos, not hoos.

Alex A.

One day Horton went deaf and was no longer able to hear a Who. He lived his life alone in stony silence.

flawr

8:20 PM

What the hell is up with this challenge:

2

A: Self-Mutilating Program

///, 1 byte / Since OP said in chat that self-modifying BF, which only modifies a copy of its source file, was valid, and /// does the same, this should be too. The program finds a / (the start of a pattern-replacement group), and removes it in preparation to make the replacement. Then it rea...

quartata

Yeah, Dennis used /// in a palindrome challenge a week ago.

I totally forgot about that. I would have posted that answer if I had remembered....

flawr

It has a ton of answers that get upvoted, but the challenge itself has already -3.

quartata

Look at this challenge codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/59527/…

Oh hey it's at -7 now. It was at -13 earlier this week.

Beta Decay

@AlexA. This is steadily becoming a more and more macabre chatroom ;)

quartata

Hey look Pyth only outgolfed Perl by 10 bytes.

0

A: Source Code Metamorphosis

Pyth, 50 bytes +J"I am a ""caterpillar!"+N+J"beautiful butterfly! Explanation J"I am a " put "I am a " in J + "caterpillar!" add "caterpillar!" and print +J"beautiful butterfly! add "beautiful butterfly!" to J +N add a quote in fron...

flawr

8:23 PM

@BetaDecay is gonna get jelous if this downvoting continues.

4

quartata

@BetaDecay As it should be

Not only that, the Pyth answer doesn't really follow the spirit of the challenge since the outputted source code isn't based on the original.

So I feel victorious.

He just deleted it.... what?

And then someone else posted a pyth answer.

I'm so confused.

Beta Decay

@flawr Why do you think I upvoted ;)

Geobits

@quartata The deleted one was posted a couple minutes after the one that's still there.

quartata

Very strange.

Geobits

Not too strange. They were probably working on it at the same time, and one just got posted before the other (without him noticing). The second was longer as well, so it's not uncommon for people to delete them like that.

quartata

8:31 PM

I meant strange because the second one wasn't there when I was looking at the thread.

Geobits

Either way, I don't think any fit the spirit of the challenge (at least not in my reading):

> If your program is not fed its own source code as input, and is instead given a random string of characters that does not match its own code, the result must either fail to compile/interpret, or not print I am a butterfly! for at least 95% of random strings

quartata

And now it's back apparently.

@Geobits Why don't they?

Both of the new Pyth answers seem to work.

Geobits

Must they take their own code as input?

quartata

Yes.

when provided its own code as input

Geobits

Maybe I'm just not reading it right. Gotta go for now though ;)

mbomb007

9:17 PM

Apparently making a challenge where the program should mutilate itself makes everyone want to mutilate the poster. Tough crowd. At least everyone seems to enjoy posting answers.

I thought it was a great idea for a challenge...

Alex A.

Should have sandboxed it, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mbomb007

People need to cheer up, and so do I. So here's something for that:

> What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

PhiNotPi

I'm running into a problem with my webapp thing.

mbomb007

@PhiNotPi Do tell.

PhiNotPi

The module I use for creating a daemon process explicitly prohibits the new process from gaining access to the terminal.

..but I think I need that kind of control in order to do various git requests and stuff.

Alex A.

9:26 PM

Use a different module then?

PhiNotPi

And I've tried all of the ways I can find of splitting off processes to do their own thing.

mbomb007

Can someone please explain the standard loopholes to this guy? He just doesn't get it, and I need help getting it across. @flawr is trying, too.

1

A: CSS Color Golf!

Objective-C (iPhone 6S App) + Javascript, 1412/2 = 706 This was the most fun challenge I've ever done, thank you! Haha. This answer may not be the shortest possible version in objective-c, BUT it is very NEAT because it creates a miniature web browser within the iPhone app and then injects ja...

See the comments below the question itself, as well as the ones below the linked answer.

PhiNotPi

I've looked at some, but nothing seems to allow me to simply list off the command I want to turn into a daemon, and all of the "perl how 2 create daemon" questions on SO have been answered with the module that's not working for me.

Alex A.

Can you use something other than Perl?

Could you do all of your other stuff in a Bash script that you call from Perl perhaps?

PhiNotPi

"all of the other stuff" is going to be a lot of stuff

Alex A.

9:33 PM

You could everything in not Perl.

mbomb007

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/29993/…

Well this is mentally taxing. I'm going to take a break by studying.

Doorknob

@mbomb007 taken care of... I'm just gonna delete that room because it's unnecessary now.

Alex A.

Say goodbyte to your advantage, CJam. >:D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:57 PM

xD yes

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. I got it to work.

woo

Alex A.

Nice!

PhiNotPi

I didn't have to use a different module, just change which step I made the daemon at.

Alex A.

Oh good.

PhiNotPi

Now I have a program that reads a list of GitHub usernames and repo names and pulls the code from each of them.

Alex A.

10:12 PM

73

Q: The Power of Teams: A Proposed Expansion of Stack Overflow

TL;DR: We're proposing a new area called Teams. The goal is to allow groups (of varying sizes) to publicly share about themselves (who they are and what they build) on Stack Overflow. Content can include information about The Team (Overview, Meta Information), a member roster, projects, communit...

discussion featured teams

So... what problem was this solving again? — Travis J yesterday

^ my feelings

Gilles

Can a Verilog solution on FPGA hardware be accepted? Could the output format then be parallel ASCII? — hexafraction 19 mins ago

is there a reason why not?

Alex A.

Sometimes I forget that asking questions on SO is not a fruitful activity. stackoverflow.com/q/33003177/3005513

Geobits

Sometimes I forget how impatient we've become as a society.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Alex A.

I'm not expecting light speed or anything. I just remembered that the last time I asked a Julia question on SO it took an inordinately long time to get an answer IIRC.

Geobits

10:23 PM

Probably mainly because it's not as high traffic as other languages.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

upvote I hope you get your men.

Geobits

There's only 1.2k questions for it on the site, compared to almost a million for languages like js, java, php, c#.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Haha thanks. I wasn't hoping for men though, I was hoping for answers. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. You must hunt your answers like men! You must shoot at their windows!

(And no problem ;) )

Alex A.

@Geobits Mm yeah, I forget that. I'm used to the R tag where things go fairly quickly.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:26 PM

@AlexA. Oh, look! An answer.

Alex A.

Yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^_^ That was quick for SO

Geobits

I'm no old codger, but back in my day we had to wait weeks for an answer to stuff like this :)

Alex A.

Really was. However, he just quoted the docs, which I've already read.

@Geobits I suppose you also had to walk 15 miles in the snow to get to class.

Then get hit with rulers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

Geobits

10:28 PM

Snow? Ha! Only the rich kids got to walk through snow. Nope, burning coal pits for us.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XDXDXDXD

Sp3000

@randomra I could have a second one with 0 0 on shortest infinite loop, but that's boring :P

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10:44 PM

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Q: How many languages can you use simultaenously in ONE functioning program in under 500 bytes

In Objective-C (a superclass of C and an objective-oriented language), I can create an object called a UIWebView. There is a method for this object called loadHTMLString: in which I can load actual HTML into the UIWebView object itself. I can also inject Javascript into it using the method string...

popularity-contest

Alex A.

11:12 PM

@Doorknob or other Unix-based OS poweruser: I want to put two binaries in my path, they're in different locations and are different things, but they have the same name. How do?

/Applications/Julia-0.3.11.app/Contents/Resources/julia/bin/julia
/Applications/Julia-0.4.0-rc4.app/Contents/Resources/julia/bin/julia

They're different versions of Julia: latest stable 0.3 and release candidate for 0.4

quartata

So we have Hello World, prime numbers and fizzbuzz "catalogs" but no Fibonacci number catalog?

I better fix that.

Alex A.

IIRC there's one in the sandbox

And if not, I think Beta laid claim to it a while back.

quartata

Darn.

OK, how about quines?

Doorknob

@AlexA. you don't

rename them or alias

Alex A.

@quartata Golf You a Quine for Great Good! is the name of it

quartata

11:20 PM

Already done.

Darn

Alex A.

@Doorknob Alias via symlink or something? If so, where do I put the link?

quartata

Dammit Beta, why u do dis

Doorknob

no, alias via... an alias

Alex A.

Idk what is

Doorknob

alias julia0.3 /Applications/Julia-0.3.11.app/Contents/Resources/julia/bin/julia

Alex A.

11:22 PM

That goes in my .bash_profile?

Doorknob

uh sure

I put all my aliases in my .zshrc

quartata

You use zsh?

Alex A.

I don't have one of those. Mac uses .bash_profile rather than .bashrc for whatever reason.

quartata

@AlexA. Yes, or in your .bashrc or whatever.

Oh I see.

Doorknob

@quartata yep

Alex A.

11:23 PM

Why not bash?

Doorknob

because zsh is awesomer

Alex A.

In what way?

Doorknob

This guy explains it way better than I can.

quartata

I have a friend who always uses tcsh. He has written some of the strangest code I've ever seen in it.

And I've seen Snowman.

Ah-ha! I've thought of something.

No one has done a triangle inequality challenge.

Alex A.

Oh yeah, tcsh is what I used at the only job I've had where we used Linux.

Also, I'm a little embarassed by how old the Bash version in OS X is...

quartata

11:28 PM

What's the python version?

The last time I checked it was 2.6.

Alex A.

Last time I checked Apple's included Python it was 2.5 but I'll check again.

quartata

(Not to brag but my SGI O2 from 1998 can run python 2.7)

Alex A.

Oh, it looks like /usr/bin/python is at 2.7.

quartata

Oh hey they updated it.

Alex A.

They must have updated it in the newer OS X versions.

ninja'd

quartata

11:29 PM

Now they're on par with IRIX.

Good job.

Alex A.

2.7.10, so actually recent 2.7.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

....

Alex A.

Is that not recent?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Isn't the latest 3.x something?

quartata

Yeah well python 3 and python 2 are pretty different in some ways.

Alex A.

11:30 PM

Python 2 and 3 are different

quartata

Most systems typically have both as a result.

Also

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:P k

quartata

SGI O2

The O2 was an entry-level Unix workstation introduced in 1996 by Silicon Graphics, Inc. (SGI) to replace their earlier Indy series. Like the Indy, the O2 used a single MIPS microprocessor and was intended to be used mainly for multimedia. Its larger counterpart was the SGI Octane. The O2 was SGI's last attempt at a low-end workstation. == Hardware == === System architecture === Originally known as the "Moosehead" project, the O2 architecture featured a proprietary high-bandwidth Unified Memory Architecture (UMA) to connect system components. A PCI bus is bridged onto the UMA with one sl...

1996

I was wrong.

Sp3000

Some OSs are starting to make Python 3 the default now

Alex A.

I read that

quartata

11:32 PM

That's not good.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

What's wrong with Python 3? I like python 3

quartata

Contrary to popular believe 2to3 is not actually as good of a conversion tool as people think.

Sp3000

Why not?

Doorknob

because if it were that simple, nobody would be using Python 2 anymore

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Because of old Python 2 stuff.

And they didn't deliver on GTK in Python 3 like they promised grumble

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

11:33 PM

oic

Alex A.

@Doorknob I actually have zsh 5.0.8 installed. :O

Does not know where come

Doorknob

use it! \o/

Alex A.

I could upgrade it; looks like 5.1.1 is the newest.

Doorknob

llama@llama:~$ zsh --version
zsh 5.0.7 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)

hm I should update things more often

Alex A.

haha

rama@llama:~$ ding/dong

quartata

11:38 PM

quartata@hydra:~$ zsh --version
The program 'zsh' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install zsh

:(

Alex A.

Lolocaust

quartata

Huh it's not doing the code formatting...

Alex A.

It doesn't do it with line breaks

quartata

Oh.

Alex A.

FTFY

Vɪʜᴀɴ

11:49 PM

Would coffee script and JavaScript be different enough to be considered separate languages?

Alex A.

Yes

Vɪʜᴀɴ

okay, cool

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yep!

@Vɪʜᴀɴ nice small caps :D

Vɪʜᴀɴ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :D

Alex A.

-bash: alias: julia: not found
-bash: alias: /Applications/Julia-0.3.11.app/Contents/Resources/julia/bin/julia: not found

y u no format

I concede. Cannot format. u_u

And I probably ended up pinging @Doorknob about 50 times in the process.

Doorknob

11:59 PM

whoops I typo'd a space instead of an =

alias julia0.3=/Applications/Julia-0.3.11.app/Contents/Resources/julia/bin/julia

Alex A.

Ohhhhhhhh okay

Thanks

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