The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

12:00 AM

yeah its a glider from conways game of life

smallest infinitely moving construct

orlp

it's also the 'hacker symbol'

PhiNotPi

well, technically it could be from any cellular automaton

quartata

yeah true

orlp

and it's also the premier way to call someone's bluff that they play go

TheNumberOne

@orlp I know, I was quoting his about me.

quartata

12:01 AM

oh

i didn't get my own joke

that's kinda sad

PhiNotPi

nobody ever finds my avatar interesting :(

quartata

I'd say it was interesting but right now all images are broken so I can't even see it :P

What is it?

PhiNotPi

It's a mixture of white and "medium violet red" shapes.

quartata

Interesting...

PhiNotPi

:)

quartata

12:10 AM

Now I wonder if I could make a Piet program that outputs my bio and set it as my avatar

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Stack Exchange Site List code-golf kolmogorov-complexity Currently, the Stack Exchange network has nearly 150 sites. These sites are as follows: Computer Graphics Portuguese Language elementary OS Open Source Law Русский язык Mythology Health Stack Overflow на русском CiviCRM Woodworking Music...

Daniel M.

How are the avatars generated anyways?

minxomat

Dunno, but other website use them same library(?). github for example.

Justin

@DanielM. @minxomat meta.stackexchange.com/a/17444/218012

Alex A.

Identicon

An Identicon is a visual representation of a hash value, usually of an IP address, that serves to identify a user of a computer system as a form of avatar while protecting the users' privacy. The original Identicon was a 9-block graphic, and the representation has been extended to other graphic forms by third parties. == Invention == Don Park came up with the Identicon idea on January 18, 2007. In his words: I originally came up with this idea to be used as an easy means of visually distinguishing multiple units of information, anything that can be reduced to bits. It's not just IPs but ...

Daniel M.

Learn something new every day...

quartata

12:55 AM

huh

Alex A.

huh

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Q: The Stack Exchange Site List

Currently, the Stack Exchange network has nearly 150 sites. These sites are as follows: Computer Graphics Portuguese Language elementary OS Open Source Law Русский язык Mythology Health Stack Overflow на русском CiviCRM Woodworking Music Fans Vi and Vim Coffee Engineering Lifehacks Economics His...

PhiNotPi

1:28 AM

^ feels duplicatey

Zach Gates

@PhiNotPi I though so, too

Justin

@PhiNotPi Feels like this codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/42242/9498

PhiNotPi

That's what I'm thinking of.

Doorknob

And here's Dennis chewing his Bubblegum... xD

Zach Gates

I'm about to set my first bounty. If I don't add anything on "Enter a custom message" what will the banner look like?

In other words, what's on the banner by default?

Justin

1:31 AM

@ZachGates See the words under the choices? That's the default text

@ZachGates What question are you going to bounty?

Zach Gates

@Justin This one..

To draw attention

Justin

The thing that confuses me is that that people already answered....

Zach Gates

Two. I'd like to see some more answers; I'm sure there are better approaches, especially in other languages.

Justin

Yeah. It seems normal for challenges of moderate difficulty or above, which that challenge is. Parsing the input when it looks in a form similar to that, that is.

PhiNotPi

Two is a prime number. Coincidence?

feersum

1:35 AM

And phi is a root of a second degree polynomial ... !

Justin

@ZachGates If you want to add a bounty, nothing is stopping you. ;-).

Zach Gates

@Justin Do you think it's worth it?

Justin

I have no idea

Will it net positive rep? I have no idea.

Zach Gates

Just opened the bounty

ETHproductions

starts working on a solution

Justin

1:38 AM

@ZachGates Looks like it's worth it ;-)

Zach Gates

@Justin It was one of my more enjoyable questions, IMO. :-)

Justin

That's good.

Anyway... I need to do my math homework. Cya

Zach Gates

Cya

Justin

Hooray for the first problem! It's so much fun to fool around with cardinality.

Geobits

1:50 AM

Cardinality is easy, just check the names against this list (assuming you mean current): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_cardinals

PhiNotPi

The cardinal directions are north, east, south, and west.

Geobits

I guess he might mean Alex's relative:

Justin

In my homework, when I say, "Clearly, ..." I follow it up with "(Proof left as an exercise to the reader)"

3

@Geobits Oh!! I love cardinals!

Zach Gates

St. Louis Cardinals

The St. Louis Cardinals are a professional baseball team based in St. Louis, Missouri, that competes in the National League (NL) of Major League Baseball (MLB). The new Busch Stadium has been their home stadium since 2006. With origins as one of the early professional baseball clubs in St. Louis, entrepreneur Chris von der Ahe purchased a barnstorming club in 1881 then known as the Brown Stockings and established them as charter members of the American Association (AA) the following season. Upon the discontinuation of the AA, St. Louis joined the NL in 1892; at that time, they were called the Browns...

PhiNotPi

imdb.com/title/tt0056907

Zach Gates

1:56 AM

> A young Catholic priest from Boston confronts bigotry, Naziism, and his own personal conflicts as he rises to the office of cardinal.

o.o

ETHproductions

5 different definitions of "cardinal". Wow.

Let's see if we can find more ;)

Geobits

cardinalhealth.com/en.html

Not a definition, but still helpful.

Justin

Cardinal (color)

Cardinal is a vivid red, which may get its name from the cassocks worn by Catholic cardinals (although the color worn by cardinals is actually scarlet), or from the bird of the same name. The first recorded use of cardinal as a color name in English was in the year 1698. == Cardinal in other color systemsEdit == The corresponding Pantone Matching System (PMS) color is 200, as seen in the school colors for Wisconsin, Arizona and Wesleyan, and as one of the two official colors of the Phi Kappa Psi and Alpha Sigma Phi Fraternities and the only official color of the sorority Alpha Omicron Pi. However...

PhiNotPi

Cardinal number (linguistics)

In linguistics, more precisely in traditional grammar, a cardinal number or cardinal numeral (or just cardinal) is a part of speech used to count, such as the English words one, two, three, but also compounds, e.g. three hundred forty-two (American English) or three hundred and forty-two (Commonwealth English). Cardinal numbers are classified as definite numerals and are related to ordinal numbers, such as first, second, third, etc. == See also == Cardinal number for the related usage in mathematics English numerals (in particular the Cardinal numbers section) Distributive number Multiplier Numeral...

ETHproductions

cardinal rule

Noun: cardinal rule ‎(plural cardinal rules)

A fundamental rule, upon which other matters hinge.

Zach Gates

2:01 AM

If I use an image as part of my answer, does the size of the image count towards the # of bytes?

Justin

Yes

Geobits

In Blackjack, Aces aren't great if they can only be used for a one. So, they gave the cardinal-ternate value of eleven.

Zach Gates

Darn

ETHproductions

Now the natural conclusion of this would be a cardinal-related challenge :)

Unless that's where we started...

Justin

We started with my math homework

Where I'm currently sad because I thought I went down a brilliant path that my professor wouldn't expect, but then this happened.

I don't know if I can assume the Axiom of Choice

Chris Jester-Young

2:05 AM

cardinal sin

Noun: cardinal sin ‎(plural cardinal sins)

A mortal sin, deadly sin.

ETHproductions

@Justin What did mathematicians do before MathOverflow if they got stuck?

Justin

@ETHproductions Prove it another way, just to be safe.

Alright! Hooray for weird ways of solving math problems. Rather than constructing a bijection, I found an injection each way. Mwhahaha!

feersum

2:21 AM

What was the problem?

ETHproductions

I have no idea what that means, but great job :)

I'm studying trig, so not at your level yet

Justin

@feersum Proving that if A and B are countable, then A union B is countable.

The professor actually did the problem for us in class, by constructing a bijection. I just wanted to be contrary.

feersum

Finding 2 surjections is the more common way to prove 2 things are equally sized afaik

It's usually easier than finding a bijection

Justin

Yeah, but none of the problems we've done in class were like so

Also, finding an injection and a surjection doesn't work in general without the Axiom of Choice, sadly. That was what I learned from the mathoverflow post. So the easy solution got a little harder when I had to construct a function with possibly duplicated inputs.

TheNumberOne

@Justin I proved that while trying to come up with a formula to enumerate all rectangles.

Justin

2:26 AM

@TheNumberOne It's an easy proof, but I made it much harder than it needs to be. But the tricky thing is that one needs to consider the case where A and B are not disjoint. So B - A could possibly be finite.

feersum

Do you really need that for countable sets?

Justin

@feersum If you want to construct a bijection you need to be careful. But the countable sets can indeed not be dijoint, so it's good to prove it that way. Also my class's definition of "countable" doesn't include "finite"

ETHproductions

I don't know what "bijection" is, but I've heard the term "bijective base"

Justin

@ETHproductions Do you know what a set is?

ETHproductions

Yes, I'm done some work with sets

TheNumberOne

2:32 AM

I thought a countable set is a set with a bijection with the natural numbers or a subset of the natural numbers.

Justin

@TheNumberOne Yes.

@ETHproductions A function between A and B is where you map each element of A to an element of B

f: {1, 2, 3} -> {2, 3, 4, 5} where f(x) = x + 1 is a function.

ETHproductions

Ah, that makes sense

Justin

@ETHproductions One-to-one, or injective, functions are functions where no two elements are mapped to the same thing. Or f(a) = f(b) means that a = b.

TheNumberOne

@Justin What maps to 5 ?

Justin

@TheNumberOne Nothing. That's perfectly fine.

@ETHproductions An onto, or surjective, function is a function where every element of B has something mapped to it. So my f back there is not onto. But f: {1, 2, 3} -> {2, 3, 4} where f(x) = x + 1 is onto.

TheNumberOne

2:35 AM

Quoting Wikipedia: In mathematics, a bijection, bijective function or one-to-one correspondence is a function between the elements of two sets, where every element of one set is paired with exactly one element of the other set, and every element of the other set is paired with exactly one element of the first set.

Justin

A bijection is a function that is both one-to-one and onto

We like bijections because a bijection between two sets tells us that the two sets are the same size.

ETHproductions

Yes, that makes a lot of sense

Thanks for the explanation :)

Justin

For instance, we know that N (the natural numbers {1, 2, 3, 4, ... }) and Q (the rational numbers) have the same size.

ETHproductions

Then there's tricky cases like natural numbers -> their squares, right?

TheNumberOne

I know that the set of computable real numbers are countable, but is it possible to compute such a sequence?

@ETHproductions Every square can be mapped to a natural number. Therefore, their sizes are the same.

ETHproductions

2:39 AM

@TheNumberOne Wouldn't you have to know what the maximum computable accuracy is?

Ah, yes, I just remember reading somewhere about a infinitive paradox caused by every natural number having a square

Maybe not paradox, but infinity is really tricky to work with

Justin

@ETHproductions Exactly. Which is why we like bijections. With them we can tame infinity.

TheNumberOne

@ETHproductions Computable as in there is a Turing Machine with some starting state that can and will produce that number to an arbitrary number of digits.

Justin

@TheNumberOne In that case, the set of computable real numbers is obviously countable.

Because a Turing Machine can be represented by a string of ASCII characters (think Turing Complete programming languages)

An we can enumerate the strings of ASCII characters.

TheNumberOne

@Justin But is it computable to enumerate those numbers?

ETHproductions

The only restriction would be the memory of the system.

TheNumberOne

2:42 AM

@ETHproductions That's why I said Turing Machine.

Justin

@TheNumberOne Enumerate the computable numbers? Not sure what you mean there. You mean print out every digit of every computable number?

ETHproductions

@TheNumberOne Ah, yes, infinite memory.

TheNumberOne

@Justin Eventually.

Justin

If that's indeed what you mean, then yes, it is possible to print out every digit of every computable number.

ETHproductions

0123456789

There. I just did.

Justin

2:44 AM

Because any real number is a sequence of digits

And sequences are countable functions.

So you effectively have N x N, which is countable.

ETHproductions

Does this sequence have a limit?

TheNumberOne

@Justin If it is, then you can apply Cantor's diagonal argument to the computable numbers to compute a number that is not in the sequence.

Justin

@ETHproductions For most numbers, the sequence of their digits don't have a limit, I believe.

@TheNumberOne Wait, then that means that computable numbers aren't countable in the first place. But if they are, then Cantor's Diagonalization Argument produces a number that is not computable.

ETHproductions

I see. How can these sequences still be countable, then?

Justin

And we established that the computable numbers are countable.

TheNumberOne

2:47 AM

@Justin No, it just means that it is impossible to compute such a sequence for the computable numbers.

Justin

@TheNumberOne Okay.

ETHproductions

This is starting to sound like meta-meta-mathematics...

Justin

@ETHproductions The existence of the limit of a sequence doesn't mean anything about the number of elements of the sequence. By definition, a sequence can be written as {a_1, a_2, a_3, ... }, which means that it's countable.

But the limit of a sequence is like asking "Do the a_n ever converge to some value?"

ETHproductions

@Justin I see what you're saying.

Justin

For instance, {3, 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, 3.1415, ... } has a limit which is equal to pi

TheNumberOne

2:49 AM

@ETHproductions Have you tried enumerating all fractions, it's a fun experiment.

ETHproductions

@Justin Oh, that makes complete sense now.

So does {1, 2, 3, ... } have a limit of infinity, or is that classified another way?

TheNumberOne

@ETHproductions Yes, no.

ETHproductions

@TheNumberOne That would be another N x N sequence, right?

TheNumberOne

yes

ETHproductions

Good, I'm catching on :)

TheNumberOne

2:57 AM

Does anyone in here know much about the jump-point search algorithm?

ETHproductions

I've heard of it at some point

TheNumberOne

I think I found a way to use it with weighted grids.

Justin

I've never before written my answer as Ξ∘κ∘γ∘λ before...

ETHproductions

I've done a little work with A* algorithms before, so I know the basics

"This is the reference implementation of the self-referential joke."

LOL, I love looking through these

TheNumberOne

:D

@ETHproductions Would you like to try to answer this question on Game Development.SE ?

ETHproductions

3:07 AM

Not right now, my brain is in its "up too late, wander aimlessly" mode

But perhaps tomorrow I'll give it a shot

Another good one:

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

minxomat

I worked with/at xkcd for some time - cool guys. But their response times to mails or pull reqs is wayyy to long ^^ .

ETHproductions

How cool! I saw he actually had Bill Amend (author of Foxtrot) make one for him at some point

I think it was when his wife(?) was diagnosed with cancer(?)

TheNumberOne

Good night folks, I won't be on here for the next few days.

ETHproductions

Goodnight and cya!

Justin

Night

Zach Gates

3:12 AM

See ya later

ETHproductions

Base85, huh? Never heard of it...

Zach Gates

@ETHproductions ASCII85/Base85?

Base64, but not 85

Who pinged me?

But it looks cool :)

3:14 AM

It's used for PDF encoding, mainly

It's fun to mess around with :P

It's also live, here.

minxomat

I didn't work with Randall though, only Davean. BTW. every comic strip or What-If? article is organized using git :)

ETHproductions

Cool :)

minxomat

And the pages are a custom flavor of markdown.

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The Challenge Write a program that can take an input of a single-line string containing any ASCII printable characters, and output the same string encoded in Base85. You can assume that the input will always be ≤ 100 characters. A Guide to Base85 Four bytes are encoded into (usually) five B...

code-golf math

Zach Gates

5 minutes late ^

minxomat

3:19 AM

Know what, I'll try to log into the git server. See if it still works ^^

Geobits

@TheNumberOne I've never used JPS, but have read about it a bit. Isn't it intended only for uniform cost maps precisely because you don't have to calculate the cost for each point? If you are comparing costs for each neighbor like your pseudocode seems to do, it feels like you're losing the real advantage to it.

ETHproductions

I'm going to bed as well, cya folks tomorrow!

Zach Gates

Cya

minxomat

Lol still works.

Justin

Hurray, finished my math homework. It appears to have taken me a bit more than 2 hours.

Optimizer

4:12 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies wow, can't believe you didn't know. Yes, cjam reports chars and all those chars fit withing a byte (ASCII code range 0 to 255)

Dennis

@ZachGates Your question says write a program. Does that mean that functions are not allowed?

Zach Gates

@Dennis Functions are allowed

Dennis

Oh. Does that function have to read/return str or would a byte array be acceptable?

Zach Gates

Must read/return a string @Dennis

I know that encoding/decoding is killing you, haha

Dennis

:(

minxomat

4:24 AM

I'm just waiting for something like this: "Do we have to accept input or can the user just bit-bang his input into the RAM? C'mon - it's really trivial."

Zach Gates

@Dennis If it makes you feel better, you have little competition.

His function (when called properly) doesn't return the correct values

It returns the correct characters, sometimes, but they're jumbled (the blocks are reversed, to be exact).

Dennis

As far as I can tell, it's just a padding problem.

Zach Gates

I think so, too

Zach Gates

5:05 AM

What's up with these downvotes?

And a close-vote

Alex A.

People downvote things.

Zach Gates

I wish they would tell me why ;-;

Justin

VC++ just spat out a 160 KB error message. Fun

Reto Koradi

5:24 AM

@Justin Templates?

Justin

@RetoKoradi More than just templates. I'm using Boost.MSM's eUML. Macros + templates.

Reto Koradi

Errors with templates are kind of infamous for resulting in very long error messages. 160K sounds extreme even for that, though.

Justin

Haha using g++ on a simpler example makes it clear that I only needed a few changes (I think...)

piping output into less makes life so much easier...

Wow I seem to have fixed my simple g++ example.

Zach Gates

6:00 AM

Goodnight everyone

Justin

night

The feeling of trying to fix bugs and only getting more. After an hour of debugging, I successfully decreased the number of chars in the error message by -40K. Now I have a 200KB error message... Pain...

minxomat

wtf are you trying to compile?

Justin

A state machine

Current approach: simplification. Get rid of the things that made the compile error 160 KB instead of a few K.

Pietu1998

6:17 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies That might be a bug. I'll check it.

Pietu1998

6:29 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Fixed a bug in it, cost 2 bytes.

Justin

6:46 AM

Got my code to compile!!!

Justin

7:40 AM

Umm... I think I'm going to bed after seeing this:

2>  single_char_tokenizer_test.cpp
2>
2>LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::Pass2
2>
2>    Version 14.00.23026.0
2>
2>    ExceptionCode            = C0000005
2>    ExceptionFlags           = 00000000
2>    ExceptionAddress         = 011252C1 (010F0000) "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 14.0\VC\bin\link.exe"
2>    NumberParameters         = 00000002
2>    ExceptionInformation[ 0] = 00000000
2>    ExceptionInformation[ 1] = 37F438A0
2>
2>  CONTEXT:
2>    Eax    = 00000400  Esp    = 0398E7B8

Pietu1998

8:14 AM

You killed the linker?

xnor

8:24 AM

apparently I got gold badge in code golf and my dupe votes are now binding

i wouldn't mind a second opinion here if people want to reopen: codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/58502/20260

i can't say i'm a fan of the forced unilateral votes

Optimizer

9:59 AM

guys! Happy Birthday song is now in public domain!!

orlp

ಠ⌣ಠ

4

Optimizer

guys! Happy Birthday song is now in public domain!! — Optimizer 1 min ago

orlp

3 mins ago, by Optimizer

guys! Happy Birthday song is now in public domain!! — Optimizer 1 min ago

Optimizer

@orlp the two messages are different, they are not soft-link-references..

(or whatever its called)

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Robots on ice Part 1 - The basic You are helping a robot R on an iced island. R can go up/down/left/right. But since the island is made of ice, it cannot move only 1 square at a time, but instead moves in straight line. Your task is to help R reach G. Input The input (file, stdin, input, what...

Zach Gates

12:24 PM

Good morning

good afternoon

good evening

Good day

Good morrow

12:42 PM

Good

Zach Gates

What is the Vox Populi badge?

> Use the maximum 40 votes in a day

I thought it was 30 votes/day

Geobits

> The daily vote limit used to be 30 votes per day; we’ve increased that to 40 votes per day. But the last 10 of those votes can only be cast on questions.

Zach Gates

Gotcha

Geobits

Also, if you use use the 30 votes on answers first, it won't let you use the last 10 "question votes". It's really dumb.

Zach Gates

I'm at 31 for the day already. UTC time sucks for me

Zach Gates

1:38 PM

It just jumped to 34 all of a sudden..

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Help Agent Zigzag with his secret messages The WW2 double agent Eddie Chapman — aka "Agent Zigzag" — used an unusual cipher to communicate with his German controllers. It is described in the appendix of Ben Macintyre's book about Chapman and can also be viewed at the National Archives, appare...

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Q: Create All Possible Combinations!

Just create all the possible combinations of 6 numbers between 01 and 75 and output it on .txt file. Example: 01,02,03,04,05,06 01,02,03,04,05,06 01,02,03,04,05,06 Pretty simple, uh? But here comes the tricky part! These combinations must follow some rules: 1 - A combination can't have dup...

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PhiNotPi

2:48 PM

Does anyone think contract bridge would make for an interesting KOTH?

Sp3000

How would teams work?

PhiNotPi

I'm not sure... maybe people could choose somebody to pair up with? Or, teams can be randomly assigned and shuffled during the match.

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Q: Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

Some time ago, the following question was asked: GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth? Based on the title only, I thought that it would be a very nice challenge, but unfortunately, it turned out to be a question about those languages. Here is the challenge I wanted to read: Who said golfing languages we...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is my first take at a PCG challenge. Comments welcome! In particular, I am unsure about: What kind of a challenge should this be? Is there anything more appropriate than (or another sensible choice than) code-golf? I kind of dislike the “standard” byte-count code golf. I have more s...

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Q: Write two programs that compresses and decompresses data

Challenge: Create a program that compresses a semi-random string, and another program that decompresses it. The question is indeed quite similar to this one from 2012, but the answers will most likely be very different, and I would therefore claim that this is not a duplicate. The functions s...

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sweerpotato

3:59 PM

sup

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As we all know, the Zelda series are one of the best game series ever made. In honor of that, let us play some songs on the ocarina. Challenge: Given a song, output the score for that particular song. Input: The song which you will have to output the score of will be given by a unique three c...

Geobits

I like the ocarina challenge, but I'm not sure the bonuses are worth it. Six extra songs for -25 means you'd need to both detect and represent each of them in four bytes or less. Unless you mean -25 each, but then it's probably too generous.

Beta Decay

Hahaha the alt text is brilliant :D

I guess I need to apologize to my parents, friends, and the staff at Chuck E. Cheese's for all the times I called the cops on them.

sweerpotato

4:37 PM

:D

What about 5 each, @Geobits

More reasonable?

Geobits

It still sounds a bit low to me, but you might be able to barely break even at 5 apiece. You might get a better opinion from people who play in the [kolmogorov-complexity] tag more often.

Martin Büttner

4:54 PM

@orlp You're not exactly setting a good example as a highly active user torpedoing one of our core rules for answers from the help centre.

8

sweerpotato

@Geobits Thanks for the input!

Should it be tagged with kolmogorov-complexity?

I'm pretty unsure about what kolmogorov complexity actually means, something about shortening input

output*

The code you write is larger than what you output or something along those lines; haven't really wrapped my head around it

Perhaps it's time to accept an answer on codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/57147/… now

Has it been long enough?

Martin Büttner

sure

my rule of thumb is to wait a week (or longer if the question is still highly active after a week, like some cops-and-robbers challenges)

sweerpotato

Yeah, somebody threw in an answer a week ago or something so I decided to wait a little more

Zgarb

@sweerpotato The Kolmogorov complexity of a string is the length of the shortest program that takes no input and outputs that string.

Martin Büttner

@sweerpotato ideally, you'll update the accepted answer if a shorter solution comes in, so it doesn't really matter when you accept (provided you're willing to do that). it's just that people get paranoid and start complaining if you accepted earlier than a week into the challenge.

Zgarb

5:08 PM

Kolmogorov challenges usually involve simply outputting a fixed string.

sweerpotato

Oh I see @Zgarb
Thank you :~)!

That sounds good @MartinBüttner

Hmm

This answer: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/57147/… doesn't really qualify for the -20, does it?

Geobits

@Zgarb That seems like the more pure way to define it, but AFAIK it's used pretty loosely around here. I wouldn't retag it either way.

sweerpotato

Since it needs a bounding circle

Can't tell from the first picture

Zgarb

@Geobits Yeah, now that I read the sandbox post more carefully, I'd say it's borderline kolmogorov-complexity, since there are only a handful of different inputs.

sweerpotato

Perhaps it's better to wait with the tag?

Is there any ambiguity in the challenge?

Zgarb

5:21 PM

@sweerpotato I'd tag it with code-golf and ascii-art.

sweerpotato

Yeah

Do you think it's good enough to post @Zgarb?

Zgarb

@sweerpotato I think the bonus songs could be clarified: can I implement, say, 2 of them and get -10 points, or do I have to support all 5 before getting a bonus? Also, scs has no notes.

Geobits

scs is any (code-defined) eight-note sequence, as long as it's not an already-listed sequence.

Zgarb

Ok, I missed the text under it.

sweerpotato

Oh yeah, the bonus songs

Is -7 each better?

I don't really have a good understanding on the consequences

or what is reasonable

Some guy with pyth may show up and get -25 bytes :X

Some songs are easier than others I guess, since you may reuse the "so" in sow, sot and sos

I don't know how that may impact the byte score if I'm too generous with the bonus

Zgarb

5:32 PM

I think your guess is as good as mine, I'm not very good at these types of challenges.

And estimating bonuses is always hard.

sweerpotato

Well, it's the same for everybody I guess, so everybody plays on the same terms

-7 each sounds fair

and -8 for scarecrow because I like it

Optimizer

and -15 for @BetaDecay

Zach Gates

My trig teacher is currently yelling at a student. Wonderful

Optimizer

so Beta Decay is scarecrow and bonus songs

sweerpotato

Is he also named Pierre?

:~)!

Geobits

5:40 PM

@ZachGates If the kid knew sine language he wouldn't have to yell at him.

sweerpotato

So glad I'm done with trig for the rest of my life..

Oh well, I'll post the challenge and see if people hate it or not

Zach Gates

@Geobits Now she's going off on a tangent about her personal life. (Seriously, she is.)

Zgarb

@sweerpotato Go ahead, it looks good to me now.

Geobits

@ZachGates Speaking of personal lives, I was just asked to cosine for a car loan. No thanks...

Zach Gates

@Geobits What color car? tan?

@Geobits Also, I think it was wise to decline the cosine. You wouldn't want to asymtotal the car.

Geobits

5:47 PM

I only have secant knowledge of it, but I think it was golden.

sweerpotato

The puns :D

What do I do with the sandbox post? Do I delete it or keep it?

Optimizer

delete and reduce the content to just a link to the actual post

Geobits

Typically I 1) edit the text down to just the title (to save scrolling for people who can see deleted posts) and then 2) delete.

Optimizer

helps reducing scrolling effort

@Geobits getting slow, eh?

Zach Gates

@Geobits I don't really see the bearing of the color. Seems like a secantdary detail.

Geobits

5:50 PM

@Optimizer I put all the info in one message instead of splitting it up. And was faster than you putting it in two. So no :P

Optimizer

@Geobits all info was in my first one, second one is simply answering the after question and is optional

Geobits

@Optimizer Yes. And I got all the information out first.

@ZachGates I don't really see the point either, but it's important to sum degree.

Optimizer

optional information is not part of all the information. Otherwise, it would never end :P

Geobits

@Optimizer All by definition includes it. I don't see how that's disputable.

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Q: Let us play the ocarina

As we all know, the Zelda series are one of the best game series ever made. In honor of that, let us play some songs on the ocarina. Challenge: Given a song, write a program which outputs the score to stdout for that particular song. Input: The song which you will have to output the score of ...

code-golf ascii-art music

Optimizer

5:53 PM

@Geobits All by definition includes everything. Pretty sure you missed out a lot of information

Zach Gates

@Geobits How much did the car cost?

Geobits

I included all information I felt relevant to the questions posed. You apparently felt your "optional" information was relevant as well, or wouldn't have said it afterward.

Zach Gates

@Geobits Plus, what was the angle of elevation on the loan you evidently had to take out.

Geobits

@ZachGates I don't know what elevation of a loan is. Now you're just getting silly :P

Zach Gates

@Geobits I was referencing the interest's rate of change :P

Optimizer

5:57 PM

@Geobits I had an option of not saying it. Also, post fast and edit faster. This situation is similar to someone posting a duplicate submissions to a code-golf question and calling it legit because he included the code explanation as well, while the earlier one only posted the code and link to online interpreter .. ;)

Geobits

I'm not saying your message is invalid, though. You asked if I was getting slow, and I said no. I stand by that.

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