The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

12:00 AM

"ROUS? Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't believe they exist."

BrainSteel

Say what?

Martin Büttner

@xnor just read the explanation for your diamond tiling answer. that is absolutely beautiful. I think I've got something in my eye.

xnor

thanks!

that's the joy of meticulous golfing

Alex A.

:D

Had to go look up your answer

Awesome work!

PhiNotPi

I've been looking at the Samurai KOTH, and I've been wondering what branch of game theory applies to those types of games.

Alex A.

12:12 AM

You must theoretically play the game to game theoretically apply game theory to the game you play.

@BrainSteel This, obviously.

BrainSteel

Ahhhh, okay. It's been a long time since I've seen that one

Alex A.

Well clearly you should ameliorate that immediately.

BrainSteel

You should have said something while I was walking around! :P

Alex A.

? Because you can only watch movies while walking?

BrainSteel

Because I can only get movies while walking.

Alex A.

12:27 AM

Mm. Fair point.

PhiNotPi

The amount of sense being made is very low.

feersum

What good may be done with sense?

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi This describes what happens in my head 24/7.

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Q: Make a valid error maker!

We've been twice challenged to make 'error quines' (see Make an error quine! and Make a slow error quine maker!), so why don't we try the opposite? Instructions Write a "program" that, when run, produces an error. Copy the error message into a new program, and run it. Repeat Step 2 until the p...

Alex A.

12:44 AM

^ :/

Sp3000

Over 100 for hook length. This can't be right D:

Alex A.

D:

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1:46 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Fibonacci Box Packing Factory code-golf fibonacci Introduction The Electronic Goods Company is a company that produces electronic item of various sizes. They need to package their items in boxes so that they can be shipped off to the store. There are some restrictions regarding what item can b...

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4:10 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

From A to Zilch Zilch, Farkle, Greed, Dice 10000: The game goes by many names, and many rules. Your goal is to make a program that can play them all optimally. The base rules goes as follows: At the beginning of your turn, you have 6 available dice At the beginning of each roll, you either c...

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4:49 AM

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Q: Translate your English source code into a foreign language

I have noticed that there are a disproportionate number of computer languages based on English. I propose to fix this by translating existing computer languages into foreign languages! Pick a computer language that uses English keywords/functions Pick any natural* language other than English Wr...

popularity-contest

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Q: What should I do with my fastest code challenge?

So I've vastly overestimated the processing it would take to find domino tilings of a rectangle and wrote up a challenge that has gotten a little weird. First of all, the execution times are really low. For both answers, execution takes roughly the same time as compilation. The answers (both in ...

discussion specific-question

Optimizer

6:54 AM

dammit, Pyth is already 21 bytes, and that too, not with Jakube or isaacg

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7:32 AM

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Q: Visit each drifting tracker

Your job is to replace the battery packs on many floating fish tracking devices in the shortest time. You must leave your base in the base helicopter and visit each tracker once, then return to the base. Finding the optimum route is known to be hard, but there is an additional difficulty! Each t...

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aditsu

7:48 AM

@Optimizer hmm, it would be nice to make it reusable, but I need to find a good way to do it

@Optimizer by the way, have you noticed who's winning your AAOD's? :p

randomra

7:59 AM

how people make gif's for the cat challenge? is there a tool I missed?

aditsu

@randomra if you can generate the frames, putting them together is easy with imagemagick

Optimizer

@aditsu I am waiting for a little explanation before the tick mark

randomra

2 people used the same size/layout, so I thought there is a tool

I prefer 0 work to little

aditsu

@Optimizer I added a little explanation for the 2nd one, I can do the other ones too

@randomra no idea about that

Optimizer

@aditsu I wonder how your 3rd's answer is bigger than 2nd's

aditsu

8:13 AM

well, the art is a lot more complicated

the fractal is simple

I think both are still golfable

orlp

8:50 AM

man I'm really annoyed at the runtime requirements of the hash contest =/

they're way too strict for slow languages

Sp3000

Well one the bright side it deters the use of golfing languages a little, so people will more likely be willing to participate

Just as long as we don't get TinyMUSH again

orlp

what is TinyMUSH

@Sp3000 not really

@Sp3000 Python is too slow

Python is not a golfing language

Sp3000

Python's tight, but it's perfectly doable. Just don't exec loop :/

orlp

no

it's not doable

you did 4 bytes at once

if you try to do byte-by-byte it's impossible

my answer was 1.5 sec with a loop and no exec

still too slow

Sp3000

I have one in progress which needs to work bit-by-bit. I did list(map(int, bin(n)[2:])) and it runs fine in half a second

orlp

8:57 AM

for 1 million bits?

Sp3000

Yes.

Python 3 though

I'm not sure if that makes a difference

orlp

I don't believe you

just list(map(int, bin(2**(2**20))[2:])) alone is 0.4 seconds

and that's without any processing

Sp3000

It's 0.21s on my computer. That might be why

orlp

@Sp3000 but that's without any processing

Optimizer

9:15 AM

@Dennis wanna tag along to beat Pyth on Hook Length ?

I know it can be golfed to 17 at least.

Sp3000

@orlp Will wait to see what Dennis says then, I guess. 2s would be nice, but I'm hoping that doesn't let user23013 go nuts with CJam :P

randomra

@Optimizer could you show the unary based CJam hook code?

orlp

9:37 AM

@Optimizer one does not simply beat Pyth

Optimizer

9:53 AM

@orlp do you want me to link again ?

the recent defeats of pyth

@randomra I did not golf it further, so its still 24 bytes. let me recollect

Martin Büttner

-1

A: Unscramble the Source Code

TinyMUSH 3.1, 20 Scrambled: (#ret,#3!#+#2i\2#,@) Output: 3210

orlp

what is tinymush

Optimizer

@randomra does this work ?

feersum

no one knows and that is the relevance!

Optimizer

10:09 AM

10 mins ago, by Martin Büttner

-1

A: Unscramble the Source Code

TinyMUSH 3.1, 20 Scrambled: (#ret,#3!#+#2i\2#,@) Output: 3210

orlp

@Optimizer BUT WHAT IS IT :O

Martin Büttner

3 mins ago, by feersum

no one knows and that is the relevance!

Sp3000

There was a short period of time when it almost looked like it was going to win purely because nobody could figure out how to get hold of the language

Martin Büttner

if quote replies weren't so annoyingly large (especially once they're reused), I wonder for how long we could go having an entire conversation only by reusing older messages

orlp

aww

lost in league =/

now I'm 12-2

randomra

10:16 AM

@Optimizer yeah, thanks

May 9 '14 at 23:18, by m.buettner

hi

I might try hook with Retina, there are some interesting methods in that

Sp3000

Anyone planning on cracking user23013's hash? Or are we all intimidated by the CJam?

Martin Büttner

I was looking at it earlier

it's tricky

randomra

@MartinBüttner I fully golfed (to my knowledge) the Retina Diamond challenge than realized the scale is not fixed 2 but variable, after that I lost my enthusiasm on that :/ (here is the fixed scale-up version)

aditsu

how do you quote messages?

Martin Büttner

@aditsu just paste the permalink

randomra

10:22 AM

paste permalink

Optimizer

@randomra helps in golfing yours ?

aditsu

ok :)

Martin Büttner

@randomra ah sorry... and I specifically allowed unary input in hopes that would help ;)

randomra

@MartinBüttner I might restart it when my disappointment goes away :)

orlp

Apr 6 at 16:53, by orlp

shit

Dec 9 '14 at 20:06, by Martin Büttner

oh shit

Optimizer

10:25 AM

quick pcre regex to check if value is blank ?

orlp

^\s*$

assuming you allow whitespace

Martin Büttner

what does "blank" mean?

randomra

@Optimizer don't know yet, I'm just interested in the method, but it takes some time for me to decipher CJam

Optimizer

ee - enumerate - [index value] pair

: - do it to all elements of 1d array

orlp

what the fuck

Optimizer

10:26 AM

:: - 2d

orlp

MUSH stands for Multi-User Shared Hallucination

seems like some RP shit

Optimizer

W% - reverse order 1 d, Wf% - reverse order each 1d in 2d

@MartinBüttner ""

0 length string

Martin Büttner

^$

randomra

@Optimizer thanks, my usual approach is just spamming ed's into the code

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner I feel stupid now

Optimizer

11:08 AM

soo... everyone is following the ascending method ? :D

randomra

@Optimizer hmm, haven't realized you can do that when wrote the J code, saves 1 byte

Sp3000

@xnor Ahaha oops I've been shuffling back and forth and forgot I could do that

xnor

while you're at it, I think you can combine the p=1 and j=0

by doing p=j=-1

incrementing j before the loop body rather than after

and printing -p

i've come across this exact situation before

Sp3000

... wow that's messed up but amazing

xnor

:-)

Sp3000

11:14 AM

Have you tried this yourself, btw?

yup

Lemme guess - 70? :P

i wish :-)

Okay then I didn't do too badly :D

xnor

i'd believe 70 can be done though

Sp3000

11:18 AM

Hm...

I liked my recursive attempt, until I realised it doubled up on counting products since there's multiple ways to reach a square by moving right/down from the top left :(

Optimizer

11:43 AM

must. golf. 3 bytes.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pirates! king-of-the-hill Introduction Arrr mateys! All hands on deck! Tharr be a ship o' other pirates comin' starboard up t' us on t' starboard! Man t' six pounders! We'll show these guys what we're made of! ... What? They have t' exact same ship, and t' exact same six pounders as us? Th...

randomra

I guess it's ok to post almost identical Cat and Catcher programs

(every Cat program is a non-horrible Catcher program)

Nathan Merrill

12:17 PM

CodeBots3 source is ready: github.com/nathanmerrill/CodeBots3

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill I give you permission to edit the "3" in this sandbox answer to any other number: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/2124/2867

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi if you ever end up posting that, you can make it what ever you want

this most recent CodeBots was definitely the hardest in terms of design

as I have to figure out what happens with multiple threads

also, is there anybody in here that has not read my past CodeBot challenges?

I want to see if they can understand my explanation

PhiNotPi

12:33 PM

I'm reading now.

(just fixed a typo in it)

rcrmn

wow, making a piet compiler with nice output is HARD

PhiNotPi

I would say simply "making a piet compiler" is probably hard.

@NathanMerrill Reading through commands now. If I'm facing North and do Move 1 that moves me East without rotating me to face East?

Nathan Merrill

yes

PhiNotPi

Does this !X tests whether the variable or line X is locked return True if locked?

Nathan Merrill

yes

PhiNotPi

12:48 PM

How would you get it to execute a command only if it is NOT locked?

Nathan Merrill

in your else clause

PhiNotPi

Okay.

rcrmn

@PhiNotPi Not that much if you don't care about the output looking nice... the problem arises when you try to do fancy things...

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill You should probably add in more details about the tournament structure. I see the part about 50 bots in a toroidal world. How big is the the world and how are the bots arranged? How many games will be in a tournament?

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi I haven't decided that yet. I believe I'm doing the same size/arrangement of the world, but I don't know on games

feersum

1:09 PM

It should be Code Bots ϕ obviously

Nathan Merrill

lol

Optimizer

1:25 PM

posting zodiac signs..

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Q: ASCII Art of the Day #4 - Zodiac Signs

We all love horoscopes, don't we? But I have a serious problem in this Horoscope App installed on my Smart Phone that it only displays the icon of the Zodiac Sign for each day's horoscope. Now, I do remember my horoscope, but its hard to remember others' whose horoscope I am interested in. Chall...

code-golf ascii-art

Vioz-

1:45 PM

..I don't think I'll be attempting that, haha

Katenkyo

I can't see a viable way to code those signs !

Optimizer

Sometimes, its just about compression ..

trichoplax

Start with hardcoding and optimise

Optimizer

in fact, I changed a lot of characters to reduce the character set and to add symmetry ..

trichoplax

Do self-answers contribute to the hotness rating?

Optimizer

1:55 PM

dunno. why are you worried ?

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Q: Non-Palindromic Polygot Boggle

Introduction The number 101 is a palindrome, since it reads the same backwards and forwards. The number 105 is not. However, 105 in base eight is written as 151, which is palindromic. On the other hand, 103 is not a palindrome in any base from 2 to 101. Hence, 103 is strictly non-palindromic. T...

code-challenge palindrome polyglot boggle

Dennis

@Sp3000 I've lowered the maximum to 2^(2^19), so y'all have twice the time per byte now.

Sp3000

@orlp ^

Ahaha thanks

trichoplax

@Optimizer I'm curious, not worried

Sp3000

Hmm damn 128-bits is just short of what I wanted to try. Oh well.

randomra

2:09 PM

@NewMainPosts I can't see yet how you beat the shortest single language golf

Sp3000

Lots of overlapping, I guess

randomra

but the non-overlapping part would have to be shorter than a cjam/pyth code

which I don't think many language capable of at all

Sp3000

Not if you have a lot of languages... somehow

Where's that other multi-language challenge gone again...

randomra

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Q: Choose-Your-Own-Language Code

Let's take a grid of 16x16 printable ASCII characters (code points 0x20 to 0x7E). There are 30-choose-15 paths from the top left to the bottom right corner, making only orthogonal moves, like the following example: ##.............. .#.............. .######......... ......##........ .......##.......

code-challenge printable-ascii source-layout rosetta-stone

this?

Sp3000

This

Having a single CJam+Pyth answer gave a very good score, but by increasing the length you could add a whole lot more programs for an even better score

Can't say it's necessarily possible here since the challenge is a bit harder, but who knows

trichoplax

2:14 PM

So it's not worth changing the score to length/(n squared) for n languages?

randomra

n^2 definitely not, than the more lang you have the higher your score

@Sp3000 ok, with many languages I can see it happening

doesn't seem easy though, but that's not a problem

and diagonal movements help a lot, I haven't noticed that initially

Optimizer

@Dennis did you try hook product yourself yet ?

Dennis

2:45 PM

@Optimizer A little. So far, my ideas haven't even gotten near 20 bytes.

Optimizer

3:21 PM

@Dennis I have multiple 20/21 byte answers using different input formats

randomra

4:05 PM

"Successful tour in 135169100000000 seconds." with a very loose definition of success

(on challenge codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/51111/…)

Martin Büttner

new (code-)challenge: boggle board compression

@trichoplax I think they do. at least you can get into HNQ with nothing but a self-answer

@randomra I managed to improve my score by adding a (longer) golfscript program to the board

crap

I forgot fb

but the score will still be lower

randomra

@MartinBüttner great, there are some layouts which I haven't considered

Martin Büttner

hm, 41 is prime, but I'll try to fit it in 42

randomra

boggle-board seems like a nice challenge, there are many ways to start and you can't really brute-force

Martin Büttner

4:23 PM

composing the grid is such a pain

randomra

do people work on the cat catching challenge silently? I think that's a good one, especially for catchers

@MartinBüttner should have asked the boggle-board challenge while this was sandboxed :)

Martin Büttner

I've got it in 7x6 now, but in the meantime I've found a way to change the CJam program such that they only need 39 characters in the board (or 40 if I can't fit them in 3x13)

got it

Dennis

4:45 PM

@Optimizer The best I've been able to do this far with your input format is 1q~{__,,.+@+:*\:(0-}h. I haven't tried other formats yet.

Martin Büttner

yay, 19x2

feersum

From one line of Python I managed to get unpleasantly surprised by both versions 2 and 3

So I was ORing some numbers together with reduce

Martin Büttner

I guess now it would be good to know Pyth...

feersum

and int.__or__ barfed on longs

So I tried it in 3 (which has no int/long distniction) and was reminded that reduce is missing.

Martin Büttner

every other language I know is gonna increase the board size so much that I'll need to include many of them, at which point I probably can't be bothered with finding the optimal boggle board any more

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5:43 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Boggle Board Compression code-challengeboggle (optimization/compression) When working on Non-Palindromic Polyglot Boggle, I found it quite tedious to pack the codes as efficiently as possible onto the Boggle board, even with only two strings. But we're programmers, right? We know how to automat...

Martin Büttner

that was fast

Sparr

5:53 PM

I think the "bot" is on a timer, not a push.

so if you are lucky it will announce your post in a few seconds

unlucky, a few minutes

Martin Büttner

yeah, although it's not entirely regular.

PhiNotPi

Touchpads are painful to use after burning my fingers. :(

Martin Büttner

but burning your fingers wasn't?

4

PhiNotPi

The adrenaline rush numbed the pain.

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7:20 PM

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Q: XKCD: Keyboard Mash Anomalies

Another XKCD inspired competition. This one is based on Keyboard Mash. Given a input string identify the anomalous characters based on the QWERTY keyboard assuming that the majority have been typed on a single row of the standard US keyboard. Input strings can contain shifted key strokes, but th...

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Alex A.

7:43 PM

Just gonna throw this out there...

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Pointer Indirection All of us C++ programmers know how wonderful pointers are, so we've decided to build a system where all memory is used as a pointer. This system has two chips of RAM, and each chip points to the other. Each spot in memory contains a number from 0 to 9, and your memory has ex...

Nathan Merrill

A new KoTH, tell me if it seems interesting ^

Alex A.

Nice work, Jimmy. — Alex A. 7 mins ago

Runer112

someone crash course me in pyth

or at least tell me if there's a way to map stuff other than a for loop

FN<seq>N<body> seems too verbose, surely pyth can't keep winning challenges if that's the best it has

well, N would probably be at the end of the body, but you get the idea

Ypnypn

8:00 PM

The normal way to map is with m

Runer112

whoops, that would probably make things harder

Ypnypn

m*d3U5 = [0, 3, 6, 9, 12]

Runer112

I was trying to search the docs on the online interpeter page, but I had arity selected as the search target

thanks

Runer112

8:13 PM

converting to a set results in random iteration order in pyth? gross

and not even deterministic random

I feel like I must be doing something wrong because that's just so terrible

feersum

is it based on python 3? python 3 randomizes the hasd by default

Runer112

that seems kind of like a problem

unless there's some other way to remove duplicates from a list and retain order

any easy way to flatten/stringify a list?

Optimizer

That moment when you start doubting your code after watching a 21 bytes longer submission by Dennis

Runer112

8:37 PM

guess not, d'oh

what gives, I thought pyth was supposed to be better than CJam

Martin Büttner

@Runer112 use CJam

Runer112

I was, but I need to read a local file

and CJam sucks hard at that

Martin Büttner

"file:///..."g?

Runer112

yes, super bloat

I don't even know pyth, and converting my CJam code to Pyth saved 7 bytes

basically all due to that

Optimizer

@Runer112 restart on making CJam awesome again ?

@Vioz- mind cleaning up the comments in there ? :)

(Now that confusion is cleared)

Runer112

8:41 PM

abandoning ship to pyth in this case

the penalty to reading a file in CJam is just too great

Optimizer

(due to the 6th example and OP)

TheNumberOne

Hmm, I have a severe thunderstorm watch for my area right now.

Vioz-

Yeah, that post is very confusing in explanation. #6 definitely doesn't have a tiebreaker. I removed my comments.

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer A,"..."_eu]zsS/ (saves two bytes, but needs some more testing)

Optimizer

That's neat!

Dennis

8:50 PM

@Optimizer: One of us misunderstood something. Our answers give different outputs for ASDF11111.

Optimizer

he said to print a char on same row once only

(I guess..)

Vioz-

FYI Optimizer, your link is broken, it cuts off after the +S/

Optimizer

@Vioz- yeah.. links are broken on firefox..

Vioz-

I'm on Opera, but yeah, your 86 byte link works now.

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer it was broken on Chrome, too

Optimizer

8:53 PM

oh.

Vioz-

Probably a Webkit/Blink issue

I dunno.

Also, MickyT confirmed that the correct output for ASDF11111 is ASDF

Optimizer

ok..

What is teh correct output for ASDF111 ?

Vioz-

1 would be correct

Optimizer

not 111 ?

Vioz-

No, you wouldn't print out repeated characters in the losing row.

Dennis

8:57 PM

Each character is printed only once, but multiplicities count for determining the least common row.

Vioz-

Yeah, it's sort of odd.

Dennis

Only if there's a tie, fewest unique characters is important.

PhiNotPi

9:12 PM

I'm thinking of doing a Lojban entry for the programming language translation challenge

trichoplax

9:28 PM

@MartinBüttner Thanks - I'll bear that in mind

Optimizer

10:04 PM

@Dennis @Vioz- ok, fixed mine, and golfed 2 more bytes

TheNumberOne

@randomra What did you use to capture the GIF of your catcher?

Dennis

That's a standard US keyboard?

Optimizer

did you click the link ?

Dennis

I did now.

That's why I'm asking.

Optimizer

so yes. it is

I will totally believe wikipedia :P

(but i personally have the same keyboard as you have coded)

Dennis

10:15 PM

Well, Wikipedia just says QWERTY.

So I can make my code shorter by fixing it. That doesn't happen every day...

Optimizer

but I have seen ones with L shaped Enter and smaller shift. such that |\ are next to shift

Dennis

Those are more common in Europe. But \ on the top row?

Stupid markdown.

Optimizer

we will both have 84 then

randomra

@TheNumberOne flawr adds those, he runs the KotH with great care

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Q: Isn't It Ironic? A Little Too Ironic?

I made a joke the other day and sent it to some friends. One replied back "I love the irony!" and I looked at it and realized there was some irony in it. But that wasn't the irony she saw - the irony she was was the punchline of the joke, which wasn't ironic in the slightest. And it got me think...

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10:26 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Worst Case Manhattan Exclusion code-golf geometry grid packing Imagine a grid of squares that wraps toroidally. Items are placed onto the grid as follows. The first item can be placed on any square, but subsequent items must not be within a Manhattan distance R of any previous item (also known...

PhiNotPi

That "ironic" challenge seems almost like a duplicate.

It's not technically a duplicate, I don't think, but it's an "output this exact text without using these letters" challenge.

Katya

so it's not a duplicate, but not particularly original either

trichoplax

How ironic

@NewSandboxedPosts Would anyone recommend putting a time limit on this for a particular test case, just to stop answers that can't be tested?

PhiNotPi

@trichoplax I don't think that counts.

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi No I know - but that's what the post was all about :) (misuse of the word)

PhiNotPi

10:34 PM

Okay, TheNumberOne's answer to that is pretty ridiculous.

Katya

well, it's a start at least

TheNumberOne

Actually, it's Ironic.

Optimizer

guys, you cannot use IRONIC in any case in your words for that challenge ..

trichoplax

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Q: How do I undo True = False in python interactive mode?

So I tried the "evil" thing Ned Deily mentioned in his answer here. Now I have that the type True is now always False. How would I reverse this within the interactive window? Thing to not do: True = False Since True has now been completely overridden with False, there doesn't seem to be an ob...

python boolean python-2.x

I'm so glad I use python 3 and not 2...

Most of the answers seem to be ways to make it worse or examples of worse things

trichoplax

11:14 PM

I'm sad to discover that Stack Snippets are not automatically available on all SE sites (despite not having a reason to use them...)

Martin Büttner

@trichoplax Nice challenge, although I'm not a fan of having to handle W = 0 or H = 0.

trichoplax

Thanks :)

I'm flexible on that - I specifically put them in to see what people think

Martin Büttner

R = 0 sounds good though

trichoplax

In that case would you say that you can assume W >= D and H >= D? (Where D is the diameter, 2*R + 1)

I guess R=0 doesn't require a different approach from any other R

The other thing I wondered was whether making it the minimum rather than the maximum allows some trivial method I can't think of.

Martin Büttner

no, having D wrap around sounds good to me

2

yeah I do wonder whether you can just pack the grid greedily

trichoplax

11:34 PM

I've edited to exclude W=0 and H=0

My guess is that finding the maximum is easier than finding the minimum, but my reason for wondering about the minimum initially was because I wanted to know the worst case for initial placement of players in a KotH, and then I thought it might make an interesting challenge

Also, if a greedy algorithm doesn't give the optimal result then I wonder if it would be better as a competition to find the lowest, rather than having to prove each answer optimal

Martin Büttner

11:58 PM

I suppose most people have seen the featured mother meta post by now. If not, you should read it. And I've made a related post on MSE that might be relevant for us:

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Q: Can we do something about the "beta" label?

So there's news on SE's policies regarding beta sites and graduation. One important take-away was that perpetual beta status is definitely a thing, which doesn't have to mean the site isn't being successful. So some people have objected to the use of the "beta" label in these cases, I've actually...

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