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12:40 AM
@rydwolf somewhat related to the above, I just noticed one of my friends (whose pronouns I don't actually remember) put a GUID in the pronouns field of their Discord profile
> actually back when it got introduced i was trying to see if it had a length limit
and just never changed since then
1:15 AM
Lmao you know how instagram recommends you posts people you follow have liked? Yeah well it just recommended me a heatmap of compound curse words and the person who'd liked it was my teacher from last year lmao
English teachers are the best
It's a very detailed heatmap too
That was just sent in the gaming discord earlier this week
My year 9/10 english teacher made me like English
(and then I got a different teacher in year 11 and dropped it in year 12)
Some of the combinations have been used zero times...I wonder if someone's beat me to the punch, or if I can still be the first person to call someone a "trumpnozzle"
JD Vance is such a trumpnozzle
1:19 AM
That feeling when you get out golfed in Java by some trumpnozzling dirthat
ah yes thanks chat
the heatmap, for anyone playing along at home
surprised that pisshead is so common
and... twatwaffle??
I hate all those scumwat dipgoblins
shitgoblin? bumass?? fuckstick???
bumbag is a false positive
1:25 AM
@Ginger I've heard that before
@Ginger Is that an insult though or a circumlocution
hang on I gotta google something
yeah maybe
1:47 AM
I've definitely heard shitgoblin a few times
cockwaffle too, that's a good one
anyway good night tnb
john stackexchange probablyt: wow i'm so glad i made this chat so we can discuss insightful coding quesions
us: i'm more of a cockwaffle girlie myself
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so true
2:52 AM
Me: decides to read LotR
LotR: "this is glorfindel"
Me: wut
3:06 AM
@Seggan SE brainrot moment
 
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4:32 AM
@lyxal why would anyone ever need to open Edge?
> because I use it for my uni github alt
quicker than having to set up account switching which never seems to work
5:12 AM
@cairdcoinheringaahing So, update and feedback of what happened after giving a presentation on Code Golf to my friends:
There was an excellent moment in the presentation where, after presenting examples of Python/Haskell/Perl/etc. golfs, my next slide switched to "So we made golfing languages", and an actual groan of pain was emitted by one of my compsci friends
I went into a big tangent trying to explain Vyxal's fractional byte FizzBuzz, resulting in me never actually explaining how the program actually did FizzBuzz
I have converted 8 of my friends to now say it as "Vicks-all", not "Vike-sal"
I had to explain Game of Life, so that I could then explain the clock in GoL, so that I could then explain Tetris in GoL
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view-hall
And this was the title of one of my slides:
And, of course, the long-awaited explanation to literally years-long friends of mine where the hell my username came from and why it's like that
@cairdcoinheringaahing how big a tangent?
@cairdcoinheringaahing fr fr a public nuisance
Took about 2 of my alloted 20 minutes
worth
5:18 AM
It's not even utc midnight
@cairdcoinheringaahing More genuine quotes from this person, regarding golfing languages:
> Why would they do this?
that, random compsci student, is a good question
I'll get back to you when I figure that one out
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6:02 AM
did you show them an apl
they're practical :)
I suspect they'd disapprove just as much
Vyxal is exactly as readable as APL if you know the language, and also exactly as readable as APL if you don't know the language
6:23 AM
@att I did
6:38 AM
What regex does the Pronouns Userscript use?
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Q: Pronoun Assistant

Glorfindel Screenshot / Code Snippet About It's hard to miss these days - the Code of Conduct is about to change. It will emphasize the importance of using the correct pronoun when referring to a user in third person. This most often comes up in chat, and some users already have information about which...

Okay.
Wait "they/he/she"?
Bisexual or something?
I don't really know about gender and stuff.
Bisexual is different from gender, that's a sexuality, and describes who you're attracted to
I'm comfortable with any of they, he or she pronouns, but prefer them in that order (i.e. I prefer they more than he more than she). On the other hand, I'm not comfortable with neo-pronouns (things they ze or xe), so I list all those I'm comfortable with
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7:39 AM
@emanresuA sure, but it isn't made specifically for golf and it's used "in the real world"
For a certain value of "real world" :p
Find me a production app written in APL for non-APL-related purposes
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hence the quotes
Financial and insurance applications.
Artificial intelligence and related data computing.
8:06 AM
@rydwolf sorry I had to go to bed
I've changed them now
@cairdcoinheringaahing Did they just copy Ginger?
8:31 AM
@Simd looks like you got your answer!
Does CHAT.Hub.roomReady call a function when the room is loaded?
 
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9:36 AM
@Neil yes!
10:30 AM
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Q: Pólya trees counted efficiently

Sophia AntipolisThe number of unlabeled rooted trees with n nodes is a fundamental sequence in graph theory and in discrete mathematics in general. Some authors call these trees 'Polya trees'. The number of these trees is one of the 'core' sequences in the OEIS A000081. A natural refinement of the enumeration as...

10:49 AM
Did you know that you can open an HTML file in word?
11:06 AM
Yes.
And battery ded.
11:38 AM
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer did you know that you can also open word in a HTML file?
12:02 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing should've tried to explain irrational byte langs
They'd think we're crazy
I am disappointed on the restriction of dissemination of political views on this website.
12:18 PM
?
We talk about politics plenty in this chat
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer other way around
12:52 PM
@Seggan no not what I mean
ginger made SE pronouns reloaded and glorifindel added those features into 2.0
good job chatgpt
Guess what I set as my pronouns
@rydwolf ...yeah smart
@Bbrk24 With the closest thing I have to an IRL friend group, I'm literally the only active member on the Discord server who has non-joke pronouns set and it drives me nuts 😭
Okay actually looking closer, one of them does have theirs just sitting in their bio instead of the actual designated pronoun field
But another one of them, who I at least used to be closest with, has hers set to "bird/up" after formerly using "nor/mal" 💀
AND SHE'S LITERALLY TRANS
And I knew her long before she started transitioning in any capacity, and she never explicitly came out to me or the group as a whole about anything or used anything available to her (like the damn pronoun field) to broadcast anything we might want to reference about her, so for a while it was just this incredibly frustrating game of guesswork where I had to mostly infer things from what her best friend would say and even he barely knew what was going on
I still don't 100% know if she's even comfortable being she/her'd 100% of the time and I have no idea how she actually describes her gender identity
All I know is I've heard everyone else she/her her without complaints, she has changed her name, she's invested to some extent in some trans issues and has been as long as I've known her, and the last time I saw her she had very full breasts
Ironic I feel so in the dark with her when she'd always be the one trying to start serious conversations... and I guess maybe it's kinda the group as a whole that's at fault, since there's very much a culture of pervasive irony, and it's not like I ever felt up to really participating in those...
Everything's just broken there and at this point I just lurk to get invited to a handful of get togethers per year and try to help the guy I'm closest with now with his depression/burnout
/vent
1:38 PM
CMQ**/**CMP: I'm once again redoing the vyxal codepage (it's like a hobby at this point) and I'd like a codepage vibe check. Basically, does everything render properly (does it look like every row has 16 symbols) and are there any duplicated symbols?
the codepage:
λƛΛʎỿδ⎂∥∦∺⁜␤①②③④
⊞▦¨⊚⮾⦷⊧¿÷×∧∨¬ʀʁɾ
 !"#$%&'()*+,-./
0123456789:;<=>?
@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
PQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_
\`abcdefghijklmno
pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ı
⨥⨪ΣΠσ⇧⇩∪∩⊍⦰«»ɦʈ½
⟆ƓɠĠġ⌈⌊ΘΦ£¥▲↜↝⬳⟿
≜⎀◲⊢⊣‹›ƶƵ⁰¹²⅟※⇄⧖
‰≛⁞⦷Ϣ≤≥≠≡▞•±†⎙✒≓
Ͼ⋳⛭⏮⏏⏭㏒⏟⌭⏜⍢ℂ⌹⏚↯☒
(not complete yet, but it's almost done)
@UnrelatedString 🫂
1:53 PM
@lyxal Some of the last row renders as emoji
which browser?
FF mobile on iOS
interesting
that's on firefox windows
FWIW I'm pretty sure those also render as emoji on ChromeOs
Same w/ Eject for chrome os
well, that's a nuisance
1:56 PM
Nothing will ever beat the jelly codepage fight me :p
Except maybe something with some Greek in it
Husk's is nice too ig, but hard to type
@rydwolf deploying @RubenVerg to do so :p
I hate having 95 variation of the letter A with accents in different places
I want to be able to remember at least one of the overloads in a logical way
But you can type it all on an INTL keyboard layout!!
Also I do like the dotted and hooked letters, they fill a lot of space and letters are just convenient for overloads if you use them right
just put the glyphs on four keyboard layers
@rydwolf the only advantage is that the mnemonic doesn't favor one overload over the others
Custom windows keyboard layouts are a nightmare and chromeos doesn't support them at all
2:00 PM
sure it does, you can install extensions for keyboard layouts
or can only google make those?
Wait can you?
and also like are you writing your code in Notepad? just use the web interpreter or a terminal REPL that supports some prefix key
@rydwolf the ComposeKey extension just installs a new keyboard layout
@RubenVerg It's nice to be able to write out code directly into chat or GitHub or a CGCC comment or whatever
And basing the keyboard layout on external constraints forces you to be creative and limits overthinking. Plus, the INTL keyboard layout is standard enough that any characters in it are likely to have good font support
okay that's a good argument
I admit my problem is mostly a feels thing
but I do think for beginners it's better to have visual stuff
Oh definitely, they're not mutually exclusive either though of course
2:20 PM
yeah, there's some stuff that doesn't have good visual anyways
$ time printf '%s\0%s' "$(cat truthmachine.qd)" 0 | trilangle ../Trilangle/qdeql/interpreter.trg

real    21m4.487s
user    20m52.480s
sys     0m0.041s
It took 21 minutes for my interpreter to run an interpreter to decide that 0 is 0
to be fair the truth machine is compiled from brainfuck so probably not the most efficient code in the world
@UnrelatedString Yeah, I'm lucky to have an irl friend group that's good about this
2:42 PM
Nice
You're also just lucky to have an IRL friend group in the first place
I haven't even considered coming out to them because even though I know they'll be more or less accepting I also know they're going to be weird about it
Like at best I feel like I'd lose my pass to not engage these issues the Exact Same Way that they do
@rydwolf Bookmarklets are nice for this but also painful on mobile and somewhat failure-prone
@rydwolf ...but also Windows doesn't have an INTL layout that actually works for most Jelly characters anyways
3:00 PM
why are so many ROTC people so weird
one just described a schedule conflict as "premeditated plans" and there is no way I would not interpret that as someone about to get murdered
PFFFFFFFF
Probably a slip up and meant to say "prior plans"
"preexisting plans"
etc.
nope, same person has used "premeditated" the same way before
@emanresuA YOOOOOOOO
MY TEACHER IS AN AUTHOR ON THIS
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
3:04 PM
Riccardo Paccagnella
I saw it in his bio and I was like "surely that's not the paper introducing it, just like a followup or something"
@rydwolf *professor
same diff lol
3:20 PM
wait hold up this guy's also an author on GPU.zip and GoFetch (those both have cute logos so you know they're legit)
lmao and I was just like "hey I'm the guy who emailed you, I'm gonna sit in your class now"
pffffffffffff
One issue with the class is I don't think anyone knows how much experience anyone else in there has with this stuff, so he'll ask a question and everyone will be silent, and I can't tell if it's because it's actually hard for them, or if we all agree it's so easy we don't want to seem like a teacher's pet
Like I always assume it's the latter but then the other day it took like 10m for anyone to notice an obvious cache timing attack
...that is sounding more like the former :P
You'd be surprised how hard some things can be for people without experience
the pseudocode was literally i = shared_memory[secret] lmao
And in this case I have no experience and it seems hard
3:26 PM
(with other clutter ofc)
I was chatting with another student before class the other day and mentioned I'm a first-year, and she assumed I meant first year of a master's program
...is anything where a memory address itself encodes secret information (beyond the size of a single cache line) vulnerable to a cache timing attack? Wow
@rydwolf lmaooo nice
I think I'm going to start just sitting in on one advanced CS/cybersec course every semester. I'd already been planning on doing it next semester with the complexity theory course, and this cybersec one is showing me that it's actually viable to do so
I take it this was an email-to-waive-prereqs kinda thing?
(also how did you talk to someone you didn't know before class??)
No prereqs, they just assume you'll know whether or not you know enough to take it lol
Ah nice LMAO
That's always the best
3:29 PM
CMU's cybersec stuff is spread across like five departments so I assume that's why
It took me weeks of planning 4-year-plans to even realize we had any infosec
I was like "this seems like a rather glaring omission"
apparently most of it falls under the Heinz (yes, that heinz) College of Information Systems, which falls under the College of Humanities and Social Sciences. So yeah, no wonder I didn't find it lmao
And most of the rest falls under CyLab and S3D which I think do graduate stuff mainly since I've never heard of them
??????????????
Is this "information systems" in the "library science" sense
No clue
We have a lot of fake majors
One time I asked a decision science prof what decision science is and she just waffled for like 5m
Because if it is then why is infosec there, and if it isn't then why is it in social sciences
LMAO
3:33 PM
CMU's big into interdisciplinary programs that just devolve into stuffing behavioral economics into places it really shouldn't go
4:04 PM
@rydwolf Actually come to think of it I have talked to people before class a few times, so I guess I read "chatting" as implying an actual conversation somehow
And year has come up every single time
I guess it's reasonably unlikely that anyone would ever call me out on it if I just lie about being a senior as a fifth-year next year...?
But it also seems like those talks only happen in like the first week or so so I could just skip the first week of lectures entirely for any class where the room is too crowded to avoid people
4:22 PM
$ trilangle <<<''
What program do you want me to run? C'mon, give me something to work with.
lmao I forgot I did this
@UnrelatedString One thing CMU does that's pretty cool is not assume people are here for 4 years
Like they never say "class of 2028" in official communications to refer to the incoming class
It's "class of 2028+"
Oooh, nice
That's
yeah wow that's so nice what the fuck
(probably mostly since we're the #1 architecture school in the country and architects are here for five years)
I was about to joke about CMU students being the kinds of people to regularly graduate in 3 years but wow
ah lol
4:31 PM
I actually haven't really heard of anyone graduating in 3 years
I've heard of a few people doing it around here, but it's all been at public schools
Wouldn't be surprised if it tends to be harder or impossible at private schools
I'm sure it happens but I don't think it's actually that big of a thing, maybe since so many of the STEM programs are structured so that you can't do them in 6 semesters 'cause of prereqs, and art people don't strike me as the graduate-early type
Mmmm
Here, the prereqs are a relatively shallow tree that sorta branches in 2 for CS if nothing else
And the first two foundational classes can both be tested out of with unbelievably little effort
(the tests themselves and signing up for them; remembering to do so is another issue :P)
I know for the pure science majors at least, there's tons of linear progression
4:35 PM
E.g., for biochem, intro to chem I -> intro to chem II -> organic I -> organic II -> biomolecules whatever
and a sequence of four labs that must be completed in order
And I'm planning on doing a semester in DC my junior year which is a big issue for that
I'm gonna have to hardcore bribe my school's dean the next three semesters to be able to take all the stuff I'm gonna have to for russian+chem
@rydwolf Don't most three-year plans involve summer classes, so it's 8 semesters rather than 6?
Oooooh yeah that makes sense too
@Bbrk24 CMU's summer course schedule is flaccid as fuck IIRC
4:38 PM
fair enough
Like the only STEM class they have IIRC is an intro to ML class
Yikes
And I'm guessing it's especially bad for chem in general because of labs and whatever anyways
where I went there were a fair number of summer classes for engineers because half of all non-freshmen take summer classes during any given year
oh wait, this says it's a "sample", I never noticed that. Maybe they have more
4:40 PM
lol
lemme check last summer on the official schedule
@Bbrk24 We would alternate between semesters of co-op and semesters of class
Yeah you probably just have to check department websites and/or whatever software they give you for looking up normal classes
So half the engineers co-op during any given summer and the other half take classes
only as freshmen did we get the summer off
I know my university's software actually gives you a drop down (or multiple, in different awful places) for selecting what term to search for
@Bbrk24 Damn
🫂
(...also what is co-op in an engineering context)
4:42 PM
oh okay so there's actually a few intro classes for each of the main stem subjects in the summer
they have the wrong organic chemistry courses tho
I'm finding something that equates it with work-study but I thought work-study was some like extremely desperate financial aid option
@UnrelatedString Like an internship but full-time
(there's two sequences for some reason, "organic chemistry I/II" and "modern organic chemistry I/II")
Ahhhh wow
(...are internships not full time?)
idk, the difference between internships and co-ops is complicated and I don’t pretend to understand it
4:43 PM
@UnrelatedString from what I could understand it's like not even fucking financial aid it's just a job they're allowed to pay you less than minimum wage for
yeah, work-study sucks and if you can afford to avoid it, then I recommend that you do
I also recognize that not everyone can afford to avoid it
So is it only something you take if you literally can't get a better job
Or can they force you into it for other pats of an aid package
I don't think they can, they offered me some work study but I didn't need to opt into that for a subsidized loan
(which I got...somehow?)
@Bbrk24 I'm guessing it's mostly a distinction of how integrated it is into the university? I know mine has some kind of "experiential education" requirement for some majors somehow but most people mostly do internships over the summer that aren't through the university
lmao nice
4:47 PM
turns out "subsidized" just means like "we pay the interest while you're in college" which is like what $20, given how little they'll actually lend you
Oh yeah reminds me, I finally have clear enough instructions on how to finish applying for financial aid 🥳🥳🥳
oh this conversation reminded me CMU still won't give me financial aid 'cause I need to send them a copy of my high school diploma lmao
And have had them for like a week but not moved forward with it yet because I need to sit down and re-do my entire FAFSA with updated information from my mom and stepdad
lmaoooooo
...aren't subsidized loans part of aid?
but that’s through the government not the university
4:49 PM
like yeah that's definitely something I still have (and wouldn't use to test the flammability of different kinds of alcohol)
@UnrelatedString yeah
So the university is willing to forward the relevant stuff to whatever government agencies without it meeting their own internal standards
That actually makes a lot of sense :P
no like I have CMU's aid but not the federal aid
oh nice they'll accept a transcript
luckily I just ordered one to apply for an internship
4:56 PM
I love how illegible it is too
It's rotated 90° (obviously), and the class names are all completely illegible despite there being tons of empty space
Some samples:
- TACS3
- SPTSS3
- PRCSTEM1
- APHISART
- PEFOUND
- APTACSAM
- APTACSAL
probably about half of those you could guess if you tried
5:18 PM
APHISART???
Not even APARTHIS
They're actively trying to obfuscate it. They must be
And then PEFOUND is probably just a vanilla PE class that they tacked "foundations" onto to sound more respectable
but the rest are just inscrutable
People's Republic of China STEM 1
Oh yeah of course that one's obvious too
Alongside AP Tactical Sambar and AP Tactical Salad
 
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7:54 PM
i spent a good couple minutes reading aparthis as one word
 
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10:17 PM
The CMU rocket club put out a form asking for rocket name recommendations (CMU-related acronyms) and I submitted like a dozen
My favorite: SCREW MIT (Signal Communicating Rocket Engineered to Withstand Many Injurious Trials)
CMU FUCKS, CARNEGIE (and an accompanying MELLON and MAGGIE MO), FARNAM (our president), and THE FENCE were some of my other favorites
None of the acronyms are even that tryhard either
I'm quite proud of myself
@rydwolf this is somehow very neat
10:47 PM
Wth I just got a voicemail that's 1:27 of piano music
yeah but like the kind of piano music you hear from a player piano in a town that's been unoccupied since the 1890s
@lyxal does anyone have any idea why this rendered as bold CMQ**/**CMP instead of bold CMQ / bold CMP?
does chat require word boundaries by ** or something?
@UnrelatedString yup lol, "foundations of physical fitness" or some shit
TACS3 seems to be Computer Science III, and APTACSAM and APTACSAL seem to be AP CS A, divided into two semesters for some reason
SPTSS3 I'm still unsure about, but I believe it's the first semester of AP Psych
PRCSTEM1 is Computer Science Practicum lol
11:41 PM
the upsides of being a student representative, apparently
wonder what a rea-world experience is
must be a typo for a tea advert
rea-world is a world of reas
now how you access that, I don't know.
pea-world. you shrink down to a few millimeters in height to gain a novel perspective on the every day
unfortunately, I cannot fathom a change as I am already only a few millimeters in height
and the committee's not even getting insight into student perspectives?
11:55 PM
@rydwolf Did they call you and then put your answering machine on hold

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