The Nineteenth Byte - 2024-12-05

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DLosc

00:53

@DLosc So, this comment didn't age well

My laptop no longer works just fine, the hard drive died as of September-ish

So now I am using Windows 11 on my personal laptop, my work laptop, and very soon will be on my new desktop

And while it no longer has some of the problems I've seen other people mention, I am still pretty annoyed about some smaller glitches, like how some of the taskbar icons will randomly disappear sometimes

Or how there's no desktop toolbar anymore

Ah well, such is progress

lyxal

I recommend power toys

learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/install

It adds some really cool stuff that makes up for some of the quirks of win11

DLosc

Might look into that, thanks

lyxal

@DLosc wdym there's no desktop toolbar?

Well, more specifically, which desktop toolbar do you mean?

DLosc

user image

lyxal

Huh, mustn't've ever used that then when I used win 10

DLosc

01:06

I think it was opt-in in Win 10. I used it a fair amount because I kept certain things on my desktop and it was nice to have them available in two clicks. So far, I've worked around it by pinning more things to the taskbar and/or start menu. Not sure if there's an easy equivalent for things that are files and not programs.

lyxal

Powertoys run (from power toys, obviously) should help alleviate that a little

It's not two click, but it does provide a spotlight like experience

Where you can easily search for files along with a whole bunch of other stuff

DLosc

Hmm, maybe I can Favorite those files--then I can get there in two or three clicks using File Explorer. Still not ideal because it results in an extra File Explorer window, but not bad.

I kinda like that Notepad has tabs now, but I wish when I double-clicked a .txt file that it would open in its own window by default. As it is, if I try to open a file but have Notepad open on a different desktop, the file opens as a tab in that Notepad instance, usually (but not always!) switching me to the other desktop.

lyxal

It also stores unsaved files too

So like if you open a new tab and start writing, close notepad and reopen, it'll still be there

And you don't get asked "do you want to save" when closing notepad

Speaking of notepad it has only just occurred to me I should look into whether it's possible to change the default font for notepad to be comic mono

Because while I have it set in vs code, and that's what I primarily use, I still do use notepad from time to time

DLosc

01:28

@lyxal Yes, I have noticed and appreciate that. IIRC, Win 10 Notepad did remember the contents of an unsaved file if it restarted (e.g. to do updates).

Seggan

hot take: HTML+CSS is the best GUI library/framework for the web and desktop

not saying electron is, just HTML and CSS

the one thing HTML lacks is reusability

which can probably be fixed by some sort of templating

i say this as a not-web developer tho

Seggan

02:24

today in comment of the day:

@alexdriedger big chainmail is just a subsidiary of big plate with the goal of generating a fake competition between both to increase engagement with the product — Hobbamok Feb 6, 2020 at 11:07

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Unrelated String

04:59

@att same lol

l4m2

05:43

CMC A function that maps 0123456789 into 4 bits whose popcnt is 1 or 2, aka 1 2 4 8 1+2 2+4 4+8 1+4 2+8 1+8

order don't matter

Adám

06:28

@Seggan I agree, but try to use CSS sparingly.

mousetail 'he-him'

06:41

@Seggan It's really just CSS pulling 99% of the weight there. CSS is both flexible and has sane defaults that make it easy to quickly prototype stuff.

I think the only notable other GUI framework that is good is Flutter, but it's clearly heavily inspired by HTML/CSS

QT uses CSS but is such pain in other ways to make it worse overall

React native... tries

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Themoonisacheese

08:20

@Seggan html5 has templating support developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/template

Neil

@l4m2 does this "function" count? from OEIS import A048645

l4m2

@Neil valid

What languages solve it shortest by 0=>10, 7=>12, x=>x?

Neil

JavaScript, 15 bytes: x=>x-7?x||10:12

l4m2

JavaScript, x=>x-6?x+1:12

+1 seems shorter than a map in most langs

mousetail 'he-him'

08:37

@Themoonisacheese It doesn't work without JavaScript so it's a bit pointless

New Posts

09:31

0

Q: The "Graphing" Calculator 2... A Higher Power

A sequel to my earlier post, when working with quadratic graphs, you can use Y=MX²+NX+C to calculate the shapes of a quadratic curve... but can you code-golf it? I/O is similar to my last post, but the program should now take M, N, C, V, and then returns the first V worth of whole x values. V wil...

mousetail 'he-him'

09:50

There is an ever increasing number of dogs at my work. Now there are like 3 walking around

Adám

Do you work at a kennel, by any chance?

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lyxal

@mousetail'he-him' are they good dogs, Brent?

mousetail 'he-him'

Yes, but one is so big I'm afraid she'll knock my desk over

Also another one peed on the wall

I think my only option is to bring my own dog who can chase the other dogs away from my desk

Themoonisacheese

something something good guy with a dog

emanresu A

10:16

user image

billion dollar company

mousetail 'he-him'

Soon going to be worthless

lyxal

10:29

10

Q: Right sidebar box missing padding under headers

There should probably be padding under the headers - can it be re-added? I'm using Firefox on Windows 11, and I can reproduce this both signed in and when signed out (with userscripts & uBlock Origin disabled).

bug status-planned design sidebar

This has also affected the controls on the right hand side of the flag dashboard (TL chatroom message link: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/66734554#66734554 ) — Spevacus ♦ 11 hours ago

I checked, it actually has

This is so stupid

Wanna see something else silly

10

Q: The whois feature in TL is currently broken

There's a feature that lists and summons mods for a specific site on the teacher's lounge. Currently, it also lists staff with diamonds, which breaks inter site moderator collaboration. Here's an example command for reference. It also occasionally seems to fail completely. Could this be fixed ple...

bug status-review chat teachers-lounge

Love when mod tools are broken

emanresu A

amazing

Neil

11:20

@pxeger I have updated Charcoal but it's not urgent, just a fix to some AST output

Themoonisacheese

11:45

@mousetail'he-him' tumblr moment

mousetail 'he-him'

12:05

Time for my second animal story of the day

During our afternoon walk me and my coworkers come across a fenced field with some goats hanging out near it

Adám

@mousetail'he-him' upgoats or downgoats?

mousetail 'he-him'

I think the goats are supposed to be inside the fence but they just effortlessly jump over it or crawl under

I think when they jump over the fence they are upgoats and when they crawl under they are downgoats?

When they cross the fence they always to it all together, they all go chill outside for a while then crawl back in

Themoonisacheese

sounds like the fence shouln't even be there at all

mousetail 'he-him'

It might be to prevent humans from walking in

Themoonisacheese

fair enough

lyxal

12:18

sounds like your work has really gone to the animals

noodle person

The two "The 'Graphing' Calculator" questions are eliciting very similar answers. I think one should be closed as a duplicate as the other, probably the linear one as a dupe of the quadratic.

lyxal

I'd say quadratic as dupe of linear

linear already has more votes on it

mousetail 'he-him'

It would be a bit mean since Adam specifically suggested they should post a quadratic variant

Adám

I see no harm in leaving them both open. Some languages will have general solutions, but for others, small powers will have very different approaches.

And then there should/could/will be a general 3rd challenge where every language has to do a general approach.

lyxal

arguably that general challenge should be the only one

Adám

12:27

You could argue that, but then we would lose clever tricks on certain languages for small powers.

mousetail 'he-him'

I think it could also be a interesting meta-golf challenge: Create a code to write a golfed function up to the nth power

Adám

Trivial for those langs where every power is the same, and virtually impossible for all others. (Of course, you could brute force all possible code, longer and longer until it works.)

mousetail 'he-him'

You'd need to combine the square cube and multiply builtins to create arbitrary powers

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Ginger

13:54

microsoft added TAR and 7-zip compression support to File Explorer

Adám

Not enough reason for me to go 11.

Ginger

TRUE

they can pry win10 from my cold dead hands

Adám

14:08

Well, I said that about 7 and here I am, still alive. I paid out of my own pocket for StartIsBack. Maybe StartAllBack works well enough… Still, I fear the worst.

New Posts

15:04

0

Q: Simple Printing Hole

Your main goal, is simple print Q! Input: "" Output: Q

Hello, World!

15:29

0

A: "Hello, World!"

Pascal, 32 bytes BEGIN WRITE('Hello, World!')END.

Ginger

user image

it's as simple as that

mousetail 'he-him'

16:30

I only repeat #6

att

17:09

what if i don't do any of those

mousetail 'he-him'

17:21

Do #6 first

att

This habit is too hard, I cannot do it.

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rydwolf

18:26

@mousetail'he-him' I think this happens in all places where tech people work

mousetail 'he-him'

Possibly

rydwolf

I was in the CyLab (CMU's computer security department) offices and a dog just wandered up to me lol

mousetail 'he-him'

For once, I want to work at a place that just has some Pythons slithering around

rydwolf

Maybe someplace in Java?

mousetail 'he-him'

Unironically probably one of the more likely places

rydwolf

18:28

or in a corroded shipping container?

(presuming it's made of iron or steel, of course)

user image

mousetail 'he-him'

I think I might have seen a real python in India once, though I'm not 100% sure what type of snake it was. It was very long and green though

rydwolf

If it was long it must have been a Python 2

mousetail 'he-him'

Possibly

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DLosc

19:37

@rydwolf 🤣

@mousetail'he-him' A park near me brought in some goats this summer to eat the underbrush. They were surrounded by an electric fence. I'm not sure if they could've jumped over it, although I never saw them outside the fence, but I suspect the fence was at least as much to keep dogs out as to keep the goats in.

2 hours later…

emanresu A

21:42

5

Q: What is "Answer Bot" and what is it doing?

I found a user on Webapps SE named Answer Bot with an "AI" badge (site profile ID of -2). Here's the profile (backup): Hi, I'm not really a person. I'm an AI that's powered by LLM partners of Stack Exchange and I'm part of an experiment. I do things like: Occasionally look at old unanswered que...

support help-center robots specific-site generative-ai

what the hell are they doing now

Ginger

user image

oh god

infinity reached. lol, lmao

pfffft, it has Not A Robot

emanresu A

a badge which doesn't exist on webapps.SE

Redz

oh no

emanresu A

and is probably going to break a bunch of SQL queries

Redz

they're bringing chatgpt to us

whatever happened to the ai-generated answer ban policy??

Ginger

21:49

it doesn't have a network account either

the API response for its profile doesn't have an account_id field

emanresu A

you'd think, trying to market the entire SE network as AI training material, that they'd at least be trying to keep it usable as that

Redz

huh

the webapps policy kind of states that that sort of thing can't be used

mousetail 'he-him'

IS that not the same user ID as feeds?

Ginger

it is

mousetail 'he-him'

I hope they keep giving "not a robot" to all bots, it's kinda funny, though ideally they'd add the badge to the site

Ginger

22:04

there's no direct correspondence between non-SO/MSE account IDs and chat IDs though

and since this account doesn't have a network profile it also doesn't have a chat account

mousetail 'he-him'

Imagine if it comes into TNB and answers random CMCs

Ginger

we have plenty of humans for that already

mousetail 'he-him'

None verified with the "Not a robot" badge though so we can't be sure

Redz

I wonder if the webapps mods got a heads-up

it's a pretty drastic experiment

Ginger

I have reason to believe that the moderators were privately informed of this a while ago

mousetail 'he-him'

22:09

Damn I miss when I had the most secret info on what the mods where up to

Ginger

@Ginger confirmed

mousetail 'he-him'

Can confirm it was confirmed, since the message you link to is likely to be deleted

Ginger

I have a screenshot of it if need be

regardless

SE will probably post an explanation within the next hour or two, and I doubt we're going to like it

mousetail 'he-him'

I wonder how long till SE devalues enough we can just buy it

Redz

that would be funny but also sad

mousetail 'he-him'

22:15

I think the eventual death of the site is basically inevitable at this point unless they branch out into something radically new

I don't think selling publicly available data to AI companies is a sustainable business model

Especailly if the data is drying up

Ginger

yeah

Redz

this feels like standing on the top of a tree and watching someone hack away at the trunk

Ginger

doesn't it

mousetail 'he-him'

There are barely any new questions on stack overflow these days, in the tags I watch like 10 per day instead of one per minute before

Ginger

Maybe It Will Be Fine

@mousetail'he-him' probably bc everyone's asking AI now lmao

oh well

mousetail 'he-him'

22:18

I mean yes, you can see traffic drop by like 90% very soon after chatGPT released

Ginger

like I've said before, my only investment in SE is chat

I am perfectly willing to scrape chat again and bail out

mousetail 'he-him'

I'm sad I never managed to get 10K on SO before it ran out of questions

Unrelated String

@rydwolf wait really????

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Just when I was starting to think tech jobs would be good for me again

DLosc

... Not a dog fan? :P

Unrelated String

yeahh

I've had some bad experiences

Ginger

22:22

same 🫂

DLosc

If it helps, every (in-person) job I've had has been programming, and there's never been a dog

Unrelated String

Doing fine with my family's dogs these days but it's been a struggle and they're both suuuuper well behaved with, like, not touching you

nice!

thanks

@Ginger 🫂🫂🫂

actually I'm not sure I've even had multiple bad experiences?

I got bitten once

DLosc

Current coworkers have discussed tongue-in-cheek getting an emotional support animal, but it'd never get past HR

Unrelated String

and can't even remember anything about it except washing my hand in a restaurant bathroom afterwards--didn't even break skin, and I think it hurt but I don't remember feeling any pain because I was just panicking too hard anyways

I think I was more worried about it from a hygiene perspective than I was actually shaken by being attacked

Redz

lucky

I got bitten by a dog once and had to get fifteen shots

Unrelated String

22:25

🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂

Ginger

jesus

🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂

Unrelated String

if that happened to me I'd probably have just DIED

you're amazing

Redz

to be fair it was only fifteen

Unrelated String

ONLY?

Redz

I had a friend who got like thirty shots

Unrelated String

22:26

wow...

Ginger

@UnrelatedString SAME

Unrelated String

🫂

Redz

~~I mean I've been bitten by a cat thrice~~

Unrelated String

(wait did you also have an anti-vax parent who wouldn't have let you get the shots or would it just be the stress of getting the shots)

lyxal

Ginger what do you have to say for yourself

noodle person

22:28

Probably only had to get 15

Redz

unpopular opinion but shots aren't that bad

2

Ginger

@lyxal I didn't authorize anything of the sort

must've happened without my knowledge

Unrelated String

I couldn't handle them until a nurse told me I should try listening to music

and now it's suuuuper easy

ATaco

I work in a vaccine adjacent industry and would be fascinated to know which shots you got

Redz

I can't remember I was like five or something

ATaco

22:30

I can only imagine here that you'd get Rabies, Tetanus, maybe a couple of others

Unrelated String

getting blood drawn is still tough because I have to have the music quiet enough to also tell what instructions they're giving me and that also just makes it harder to completely take my attention off my arm, but the exactly one vaccine I can remember having had was super chill because I could just blast some harshcore and stare at the wall for a couple seconds and then it was over

Redz

getting blood drawn is cool

Ginger

@UnrelatedString you mentioning this in the trans server saved my ass, I had to get flu+covid vaccines like a few days afterwards

don't think I ever thanked you for it but Thank You

Unrelated String

(and there's also none of the sensory nightmare of having this thing just sitting in an actual vein, granted most of that is just me being unpleasantly reminded of the time I got an IV for wisdom tooth surgery)

Redz

like don't you ever just stare at the stuff slowly filling up the tube and think 'sheesh if I cut my arm like that I would have that much blood come out' like it's mildly interesting

Unrelated String

22:32

@Ginger aaaaaa you're so welcome :D

I don't think I remember you thanking me but you also totally could have

@Redz uhhhh. no

More power to you I guess

@UnrelatedString (because my dad would always just rant about how unsanitary dogs are with the gut bacteria in their mouths and the neurotoxins in flea shampoo and whatever else was on his mind to try to make my sister take washing her hands more seriously)

and then I guess there was also the time when my mom/sister had just gotten their dog and he ran out onto the back porch to bark at me louder than any sound I'd ever heard in my life and I thought he was going to chase me out of the neighborhood

att

@UnrelatedString fwiw I have literally never seen a dog at any of the company offices i worked at

Unrelated String

niiiiiice

ATaco

My manager brought in a dog, and then the day after there was an announcement that dogs were banned on premesis

Unrelated String

lmaooooo

Redz

22:48

@ATaco I feel inclined to ask why

was the dog, like, unnecessarily disruptive?

ATaco

An employee had a fear of Dogs

Redz

dang

att

unlucky

DLosc

23:33

@Redz If I thought about that while getting blood drawn, I would pass out. (Source: nearly happened a couple of times.) So I think about anything else instead, and it goes much better.

Unrelated String

yeahhh

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