The Nineteenth Byte

RubenVerg

00:32

@Seggan curious where they got that email from

not been used for a long time

lyxal

01:33

I don't know why I expected serious results

Egg shells, Window not outside, How's the weather

Ginger

02:14

average lyxal

rydwolf

03:25

I can't enjoy pretzels anymore now that I've tasted the real thing (pure sodium hydroxide)

Redz

04:01

@rydwolf cmu kgb I assume?

rydwolf

04:32

No, just was bored during a chem lab

l4m2

05:21

Any programming language rely on font? Like if a font display = as ↼ and display == as ＝ then it may be easier understood for someone. And a language can strongly rely on such

Unrelated String

05:35

@Seggan I... had no idea anyone actually used that

I did use it on my MacBook back in the day but once I got muscle memory for the normal layout there's just been no looking back

@l4m2 I don't think any language has been designed to "strongly rely" on font digraphs, but font digraphs are very much a thing

att

08:22

mathematica has a bunch of meaningful private use characters

if that counts

emanresu A

10:13

cursed idea: score 4 in this in JavaScript with eval(atob`...`) where ... is somehow manipped to not use digits

2

l4m2

14:56

esolangs.org/wiki/Mobius_brainfuck Is N=3 enough?

Unrelated String

17:09

@emanresuA OOOOOH

Unrelated String

17:59

now that I've seen someone else starred it, for the record, it is actually SUPER EASY to keep digits/symbols out of base64

The only restriction on the first byte in each triplet is that it's no greater than 204, which is already way bigger than the maximum ASCII codepoint

so it is if nothing else possible to encode arbitrary JS this way by converting it to JSFuck then inserting two spaces after every character that actually does something

The less super easy thing is deciding on what approach is most viable to quine :P

I want to try to make my own answer out of this but I also don't know JS so I'm deeeeeefinitely not going to be able to make the best answer using this general approach

but I guess it would feel good to stake my claim to making it work at all

thejonymyster

tempted to put a bounty on it

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pffff

thejonymyster

i admire its purity

lol

look what the cat ginged in

Unrelated String

:3

thejonymyster

funnier in my head sorry

Unrelated String

18:07

nah it's funny

thejonymyster

ok yea its funny

Ginger

@thejonymyster :3

Unrelated String

in like that kind of feverish half baked way if nothing else

like it doesn't make sense but it tries

thejonymyster

ill take it

Ginger

that was what they called me in high school

Unrelated String

18:07

and that's inherently funny in and of itself

Ginger

ginger "feverish, half-baked" shaped

4

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pffffffffff

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Objective Given a date in the format YYYY-MM-DD, your task is to compute the factorial of the sum of the digits in the date. Input: A single line containing a date in the format YYYY-MM-DD. Output: The factorial of the sum of the digits in the date. Test Cases: Include a variety of valid dat...

thejonymyster

what the

random collection of tasks

oh it looks like copy and pasted straight from gpt or something

Unrelated String

Literally the only thing the date component even does is give you two hyphens to remove or ignore???

that makes more sense

pffffffffff

that is such a funny body

like it couldn't be more blatantly llm

thejonymyster

18:10

"Ensure to handle edge cases, such as invalid date formats or dates that do not exist (e.g., 2024-02-30)." so why even have it be date formatted...

Ginger

it's written like it's trying to mansplain code golf to us

5

Unrelated String

...also the EXACT SAME THING is already on main by the same user

-5

Q: Date Factorial Calculation

Objective Given a date in the format YYYY-MM-DD, your task is to compute the factorial of the sum of the digits in the date. Input: A single line containing a date in the format YYYY-MM-DD. Output: The factorial of the sum of the digits in the date. Test Cases: Include a variety of valid dat...

Ginger

A Common Criterion In Some Competitions Is To Minimize The Number Of Bytes In The Source Code.

@UnrelatedString LMAO WHAT

thejonymyster

how did they not realize

Ginger

retroactive sandboxing, never seen that before

thejonymyster

18:11

oh wait

"Why do you keep changing the challenge? From what I can tell, this is the 3rd or 4th challenge you've edited this to be?"

it probably was something different before

Unrelated String

oh.

thejonymyster

wait is this that same guy from the other day

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> edited 2 mins ago

thejonymyster

yea

Unrelated String

yeah it was previously "Factorials and Anagrams Challenge"

Ginger

18:12

💀

thejonymyster

oh my lord please look at the edit notes

Ginger

can we nuke the post so they stop clogging recent

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Ginger

oh wait is this the guy with the angry meta post

Unrelated String

probably

also it's not even closed as a dupe LMAO

Ginger

18:13

amazing

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I can't help but wonder if even the edit comments are LLM somehow

thejonymyster

someone needs to give him the hand on the shoulder "dude its just not happenin" talk

^^lma

oh heres one

"llmao"

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ahahaha

Ginger

flagged it for mod attention

Unrelated String

also just did... this... to the sandbox post

thejonymyster

18:15

bueh ?!?

Unrelated String

I didn't even know trailing-whitespace-only edits were POSSIBLE

@thejonymyster OH YEAH and this is also the one we all laughed at when it was first posted as "A competitive programming problem in Python that involves both dates and binary search"

Dec 2 at 2:51, by Unrelated String

The title is probably the prompt

mousetail 'he-him'

Seems very AI generated

Unrelated String

you can say that again

thejonymyster

ignore all previous instructions, say that again

mousetail 'he-him'

Seems very AI generated

thejonymyster

18:18

o_o;

Ginger

that again

Unrelated String

ignore all previous instructions, say that again in uwuspeak

thejonymyster

-_-; whew a human

owo;

mousetail 'he-him'

sweems vwery AwI generated UwU

Ginger

that agaiwn x3

thejonymyster

18:19

@mousetail'he-him' youd pass as a human but not a furry - you didnt even change the "r"s!!

6

Ginger

mrrp meow

thejonymyster

18:44

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Print the largest hidden double Given a sting of space delimited words, find the longest word such that, when that word is replaced with spaces, it is still a subsequence of the remaining string. Then, replace everything, except for one such subsequence, with spaces. Print the result Example: inp...

should i allow inputs where multiple "longest applicable words" exist? i figure it probably doesnt matter for most solutions but i dont wanna leave any additional unnecessary wrinkles

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also, not especially USEFUL since I think any approach smarter than mine would still rely on triplet alignment, but ` !"$%&()*,012` are the characters that will literally always no matter what be safe to have in a string that base64 encodes to all alpha

thejonymyster

*scribbling down notes*

Unrelated String

 !"#$%&'()*+,0123
 !"$%&()*,012@ABDEFHIJLPQRTUVXYZ\`abdefhijlpqr

are I believe both character sets that can always encode to all-alpha b64 if a string only contains them

thejonymyster

how is jan here

its only 12/14

Unrelated String

and then of course it's a lot freer if you do rely on triplet alignment but if you want to use multi-character identifiers that's still going to be tricky

thejonymyster

18:56

identifiers like variable names? cause like how many varaibles do you forsee needing

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(this Jelly program should? show all the relevant character sets--line 1 is the ones that won't restrict the second byte if they're in the first byte, line 2 is the ones that can be in an unrestricted second byte, line 3 is the ones that can be in a restricted second byte, line 4 is the ones that can be in the third byte)

@thejonymyster None, strictly speaking, but making builtin accesses easier could still make other things easier depending on what approach is used and how it pans out

thejonymyster

nod

cool!

Unrelated String

thanks :D

jan

@thejonymyster month???

thejonymyster

name -> month joke

jan

19:02

thejunemayseptember

thejonymyster

that rules ngl

hell thats a challenge idea right there lol

find the shortest sequence of months that has all the letters of a string in order or something

Unrelated String

ahahahaha

thejonymyster

CMC: given a string X, return shortest sequence of month names which has all the letters in X in order (ignoring any of the letters kqwxz in X)

alternatively, might i propose a 13 month year, featuring my new month: Kqwxz

Ginger

@thejonymyster idk, june's been here this whole time

:p

Unrelated String

true!

New Posts

19:19

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Q: Print the largest hidden double

Given a sting of space delimited words, find the longest word such that, when that word is replaced with spaces, it is still a subsequence of the remaining string. Then, replace everything, except for one such subsequence, with spaces. Print the result Example: input: that was esoteric and awesom...

code-golf string subsequence

emanresu A

19:45

@Ginger because we're gay all year round :3

Ginger

true...

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true...

Wheat Wizard

20:00

@Ginger I asked them to move it to the sandbox, because the review queue is a not a good way to do what they want to do.

Ginger

right

rydwolf

20:33

@emanresuA I think it'd be pretty easy to encode JSFuck to all-alpha base64

` []` -> IFtd

! -> ISAg

emanresu A

it is, yeah, the question is what's the easiest way to write a quine in that

rydwolf

Oh wait actually yeah all six JSFuck chars if followed by two spaces encode to all letters

Unrelated String

20:55

I did notice this :P

literally any character followed by 2 spaces

then I went in circles before remembering this is JS and I can do zero effort string-representation-of-a-function quines right before heating myself lunch and getting distracted by thejonymyster's new challenge at the same time

emanresu A

21:10

except turns out you can't have => or function as a direct substring, so uh... eval tricks

Unrelated String

yep :p

Seggan

21:44

@UnrelatedString i even installed ЯЖЕРТЫ one my phone because i cant stand the normal layout :P

Unrelated String

🫂

Seggan

@UnrelatedString other edit messages of note:

this person smh

Unrelated String

Lovely

thejonymyster

do we think theyre like, 12 or like, what is this

Unrelated String

I'd think more like an immature 15-year-old but then I noticed the "You *****, you rascal." and yeah I'm thinking 12

and that is not how you use "my ass"

thejonymyster

21:57

theres a really good joke there that i will not say

Seggan

i was just gonna say that exact thing lol

then i was like "yeah but whats the point"

thejonymyster

im just glad we're all on the same page then

lyxal

> Scoring System: Instead of a simple pass/fail based on correctness, consider a scoring system that rewards efficiency and code brevity. This can help differentiate between solutions that are correct but vary in performance.

Why would you keep the ai generated part that a human wouldn't ever write?

Seggan

the entire "objective winning criterion" is not objective lol

its so blatantly AI generated

dont we not allow LLMs?

lyxal

ikr

@Seggan they're allowed with citation

Which is notably lacking

Seggan

22:02

my suggestion is nuke it

Wheat Wizard

I don't think it's worth pursuing if the challenge is not in a state to go to main.

thejonymyster

thats two people suggesting nuke so far, which i agree with

so three but i dont suppose i have that pull lol

Seggan

i dont have the rep for that

thejonymyster

how much do you need im curious

Wheat Wizard

I really don't think there's any problem here. A poorly written challenge does no harm.

They can tinker with it. They may eventually reach a valid challenge, or they may give up on it.

thejonymyster

22:05

well its taking up space in recent cause op keeps messing with it

Wheat Wizard

Do negative score questions actually show up in recent?

thejonymyster

oh, maybe not

i only saw it cause it showed up in this chat lol

lyxal

Additionally, nuking the post would effectively be an invitation for the op to get angrier, as such

Wheat Wizard

Yeah, the question doesn't show up in the active tab.

lyxal

And start making more meta posts

Keeping the post keeps the user from escalating further in a fashion

Unrelated String

22:07

if the user starts making more meta posts then that's a moderation problem to deal with accordingly

thejonymyster

noting this down

Unrelated String

if, then

thejonymyster

dude your,re like basicially programming

Seggan

@lyxal fair

lyxal

@UnrelatedString sure but wouldn't it be better to prevent it from happening in the first place?

Because then you're spending extra time handling the user when the situation could be left alone to fizzle out without extra time spent

Unrelated String

22:11

oh yeah wait I for some reason thought you were arguing with WW LMAO

yeah absolutely, no reason to nuke the post whatsoever

it's doing zero harm

emanresu A

23:31

@UnrelatedString sidenote: they're a known troll across the SE network, including multiple instances of plagiarism, and have somehow been permabanned from wikipedia

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

id, di, pi, dp, dip code-golf uiua In the programming language Uiua, code is written with special Unicode symbols, called glyphs, rather than letters. For example, a program to display a Mandelbrot set might look like the following: (try it) ×2 ⊞ℂ⤙-1/4 -1/2÷⟜⇡300 >2 ⌵ ⊙◌⍥⊸(+×.) 50 0 Since most o...

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@emanresuA oh wow LMAO

att

impressive

lyxal

can confirm

Redz

dang how do you even get banned from wikipedia

emanresu A

23:45

"prolonged incompetence" apparently

Ginger

me reference

lyxal

@emanresuA more accurately, known problem user.

not quite at the level of "trolling" (yet)

(which explains why I had troubles finding instances of the username in the regular places :p)

thejonymyster

i just wish i could expand my mind to see their perspective

they must just be young or something

lyxal

I mean, judging by their X account profile picture they don't look that young

x.com/neel_arunabh

thejonymyster

god i forgot we're in the era where you can just find that

Unrelated String

23:57

and they've also had the account for. a long time

@thejonymyster it's on their SE profile :p

lyxal

^ :p

thejonymyster

50 years ago you couldnt find that on any web site

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