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Rydwolf Programs

1:28 AM

@l4m2 Like, to prevent interrupts, or what?

Dannyu NDos

1:52 AM

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Calculate NDos-size of given integer Objective Given a nonnegative integer, calculate its NDos-size as defined below, and output it. NDos' numeral system The concept of NDos-size comes from the numeral system I made. It represents every nonnegative integer by a nested list, as follows: With the ...

Err... help? Is there a better way to prevent the mentioned loophole?

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l4m2

2:53 AM

@RydwolfPrograms interrupt & multithread

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lyxal

10:34 AM

Q: Is code golf going to be opting into the voting reputation requirement test?

Over on Meta Stack Exchange, there's a question asking for sites to volunteer for a trial of removing reputation requirements for voting. Is that something the Code Golf and Coding Challenges community would be interested in? (this question isn't in support of, or opposition against the trial)

cc @hyper-neutrino @cairdcoinheringaahing @JoKing and @WheatWizard

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pxeger

11:51 AM

Does anyone else find elm's "friendly" documentation and error messages highly unhelpful?

I don't want to digest a whole paragraph that only uses the 100 most common words in the english language to understand something. Give me terse, direct, technical, but clear language, with a link to some explanatory documentation if necessary

lyxal

12:31 PM

> The top line (called a "type annotation") is optional. You can leave it off if
you want. As you get more comfortable with Elm and as your project grows, it
becomes more and more valuable to add them though! They work great as
compiler-verified documentation, and they often improve error messages!

I feel like that should be opt-in

not something you see every time

pxeger

Opt-out at least would be nice

But in general I feel like adding too much "explanation" about error messages can be unhelpful, because in more complex cases they're often inaccurate anyway

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Rydwolf Programs

2:14 PM

IMO Rust has just about the optimal level of verbosity

Well, it can be a little annoyingly bulky, with the code snippets and stuff

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Seggan

3:23 PM

@pxeger yeah

@RydwolfPrograms this

user

3:49 PM

It's mildly annoying when features are geared a little too much towards beginners, even though most people aren't beginners, and beginners don't stay beginners for very long

Like Java adding the thing where you can make a main method without a class

mousetail

That seems useful even outside of beginners though

user

It's only for main methods, you can't make other methods toplevel

And you only have like one main method per project (occasionally more but still not a lot)

mousetail

Still makes it a easier and less verbose to write simple scripts

I assume it still implicitly creates an anonymous class?

user

Yeah, an unnamed class

mousetail

You can define anonymous classes to act kinda like functions so you can actually write a full program with multiple functions if you really wanted to, as long as you don't need to define any new data types

Rydwolf Programs

4:02 PM

Ugh I'm in CS today and we're doing presentations on what we've been doing and four people have all presented on doing the same Unity tutorial

mousetail

Well those unity skills will soon be useless lol

Rydwolf Programs

Why's that?

mousetail

They are changing their pricing model so you now pay per install of your game, with a much lower limit than before. Many gaming companies are saying they can no longer afford to sell their unity games since they'll now cost the company more per install than they make

Rydwolf Programs

I think there's a free tier

mousetail

Yes, before you could earn up to X profit and qualify for the free tier, now the limit is much lower and many indy companies now will also need to pay. And companies that already paid now need to pay way more

They want to apply it retroactively too to existing games, which probably isn't legal, so there is a lawsuit going on. They may still back down, hopefully

mousetail

4:26 PM

This is a good video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlPOn0nAOeo

Seems like I lied though, the limit for indie devs is higher actually but the pricing is more when you reach the limit

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail It’s not lying if you thought it was the truth.

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caird coinheringaahin g

6:25 PM

@lyxal I mean, I doubt it, but it's not exactly a mod decision first and foremost - it's a community decision

caird coinheringaahin g

6:40 PM

Any feedback?

Ginger

7:30 PM

@mousetail godot supremacy

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mousetail

8:52 PM

@Ginger They did just get 100,000 dollars in sponsorships already as part of the debacle so things are looking good for Godot. Maybe they can finally fix the bugged shadow rendering

(Or maybe that was already fixed a while ago, it's been a bit since I checked)

thejonymyster

@cairdcoinheringaahing the original question hurts my brain too much >_< i dor get it for some reason it seems simple but even looking at the answer i dont follow :')

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