The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger

1:26 AM

> Found candidate GCC installation: /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/10

ಠ_ಠ

Hello, World!

1:48 AM

0

A: "Hello, World!"

Shasta v0.0.5, 24 bytes (print["Hello, World!"]) Shasta is a new programming language I've been developing for the past couple of days, and I've finally got it to a state where I can start to answer some challenges on the site here. It is inspired by Lisp and Python, and transpiles to JavaScript...

noodle man

@Hello,World! this is the language i've been working on for the past week :)

it's still in very early development though. lots of stuff i still have to implement

Bbrk24

I have discovered something cursed about node

$ node.exe -e 'require("fs").writeFileSync(1, "ü", "utf8"); console.log("ü")'
├╝ü

On Windows, writeFileSync to a TTY uses CP-437, but writeFileSync to disk and console.log both use UTF-8

noodle man

2:04 AM

that's interesting. on my mac i get "üü"

@Bbrk24 not just node, apparently

Bbrk24

Yeah, CP-437 is a DOS thing that some Windows programs are left to deal with

noodle man

2:24 AM

i guess the weird part is that the two output methods don't work the same

lyxal

2:41 AM

@Bbrk24 ooh that's the joys of Unicode in powershell

Scala does that too

Well, sbt

Unicode mangling sure is fun

Especially when you're working on an esolang where at least 100 commands are Unicode

Interestingly, it doesn't happen when using WSL

Oh and it also auto-normalises some characters too

in Vyxal, Nov 13, 2022 at 2:07, by Steffan

There is nothing that turns that subscript into a literal 8

in Vyxal, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:26, by lyxal

sbt:root> vyxalJVM/run --code "3 3 ├ù"                                                                                                  [info] running vyxal.Main --code "3 3 ├ù"                                                                                               Group(List(Number(3), Number(3), Command(├ù)))                                                                                          9

That should be 3 3 × but powershell turns it into ├ù upon pasting

It's weird that some programs do it, and some don't

noodle man

2:58 AM

imagine using windows 😎

i just learned how to use those arrow brackets in the shell. i am hackerman

Bbrk24

3:30 AM

@lyxal This is bash in mintty

lyxal

looks awfully similar to powershell

Bbrk24

I use the solarized dark theme :P

@noodleman What sucks is I don’t have a modern unixlike desktop OS so I can’t actually know whether some things work elsewhere

lyxal

@Bbrk24 powershell mangles ü the exact same way in some applications

Bbrk24

I am aware

mousetail

5:40 AM

Can anyone confirm if badge ids are consistent across the network?

The Thonnu

6:41 AM

@mousetail They're not. Fanatic is #23 on CGCC and #83 on SO

I'm pretty sure it's just in order of first awarded

So #1 is the first awarded badge, etc.

mousetail

Oof that's annoying

Unrelated String

damn

RubenVerg

7:18 AM

@lyxal is that vyxalJVM the unmistakable sign of sbt-crossproject?

@lyxal s.replaceAll(raw"\\", raw"\\\\")

scala-lang.org/api/3.x/scala/StringContext.html#raw-a90

lyxal

@RubenVerg it sure is

Jvm, native and js

Triplatform compilation!

@RubenVerg yeah that was suggested in code review

RubenVerg

@lyxal nice

lyxal

@RubenVerg there's also Mill support

Because mill is pretty neat

RubenVerg

stuq has api, std and cli subprojects each with js, jvm & native

idea goes mad every time I open the project

lyxal

Yikes 3 different subprojects. That's gotta cause some sort of version difference headaches :p

Managing things like regex disparity between jvm and native is bad enough on one subproject yet alone 3 of them lol

I was lucky enough to have (and, well, continue to have) @user to help navigate through the finer details of cross platform

RubenVerg

7:32 AM

I haven't used any regex yet

where do you use it?

lyxal

The lexer, and just other things that require splitting on regex

Problems range from "oh dang convenient regex feature isn't supported by native oh well that's okay" to "why the actual hell does splitting a string on an empty regex append an empty string to the result in native but not in jvm"

If you want some inspiration for how to do 3 platform stuff, github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/tree/v3-momentum-branch-1 is where it's all at

Oh yeah and file reading

That's a fun thing to manage when doing 3 target work

Especially given that js doesn't have a concept of being able to read files from arbitrary paths and all the good file reading classes are jvm specific

To quote myself:

in Vyxal, Mar 14 at 1:07, by lyxal

If it was just jvm and js, that'd probably be okay. If it was just jvm and native, that'd also probably be okay. But the three altogether? You're pandering to a really weird intersection of limitations

in Vyxal, Mar 14 at 1:08, by lyxal

With documentation that isn't as nice as you'd want it to be

It's doable but can be a nuisance sometimes :p

RubenVerg

7:47 AM

@lyxal that's why the cli and std are separate modules from the api (api here stands for the actual interpreter)

lyxal

Yeah that's what we ended up doing too

RubenVerg

iirc I have zero platform-specific code in the api

std has an entrypoint for platforms to mix their platform specific stuff into the standard library

and obviously the cli is full of platform specific code

lyxal

@RubenVerg We don't either, but sometimes there'll be something you want to write and it'll be easy to do with jvm but putting it in the shared stuff will cause problems

RubenVerg

I know that feeling :)

lyxal

Too true :p

RubenVerg

7:53 AM

why github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/blob/v3-momentum-branch-1/shared/src/… when you can do like while current.isWhitespace do skip() or something?

lyxal

Oh that's to tell the parser library what to ignore

We use combinator parsers

RubenVerg

aa

nice

hadn't read enough of the code :)

lyxal

And we would have used it for the parser too, but it turns out the grammar is a teeny bit complex for combinators

RubenVerg

does raw""" """ do anything different than just """ """ or raw" "?

lyxal

I would assume not

PlaceReporter99

9:02 AM

Quiz: which is better?

`if password==“password”:…`
or
`if sha512(password)==“b109f3bbbc244eb82441917ed06d618b9008dd09b3befd1b5e07394c706a8bb980b1d7785e5976ec049b46df5f1326af5a2ea6d103fd07c95385ffab0cacbc86”:…`

mousetail

10:57 AM

@PlaceReporter99 The second one but both are bad

You shouldn't hard code password hashes in your source code

PlaceReporter99

11:11 AM

@mousetail but hash functions are (usually) irreversible.

mousetail

Passwords are guessable though

If they have the hash they get unlimited guesses

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail it's gonna take years*

mousetail

Nope

Tools like Jack the Ripper can crack most passwords in minutes

If unsalted

PlaceReporter99

*assuming you don't use a very common password.

Ideally, use a random one

mousetail

You'd need a very long truely random password that nobody has used before

PlaceReporter99

11:14 AM

@mousetail i assume that is illegal to use

mousetail

Nope

It's on github

it tries common passwords but also things like dictionary words and common substitutions and variations of those. If your password is somewhat similar to a word or a combination of words it will be cracked quite fast

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail But if your password was

asajgrowihty5u849qiuta9piou49aoigruj[0oruya09oyu6340a[yu90iy934uya349uy[934u9[yuw0aruapi9ruy[-'4isfoit[awptia;4iyia0ytiaruy9aeitre9auy90eruy9euy09eury09euryaeuy0aeriou9e0yay9u09auur900iyaero,;k.,[[u.<><.</.,><.,.,.,.[,.''j[.,>ll,hhlclxl\,gls;glds;

mousetail

That's not very random

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail i was mashing my keyboard

mousetail

Pretty sure that's just 4 common passowrds pasted together

Mashing your keybord is not a good way to create a random password

the patterns are obvious

It will probably take a bit to crash just because of how long it is though

lyxal

11:17 AM

@mousetail *John

mousetail

@lyxal you are correct

lyxal

Well yes because I have the repo opened in one tab and a news article explaining it opened in another :p

@mousetail that's right - it's like how you can usually tell whether a series of say 20 coin flips is truly random or made up

Because humans are horrible at doing random

mousetail

For coin flips it's usually a suspicious lack of patterns. If there isn't any 3 in a row then it's probably made up

lyxal

That's what I mean

We have the wrong idea of random

In "randomly" mashing, we think we're creating something random when it's easy to tell it isn't

PlaceReporter99

11:33 AM

@mousetail how about 53,<)8nH$E,n~~C!QQ£igI$TgpRh^£|a¬7\\/Z5;!y(£{~c"HDm1TdF8i/tBpM-JDvz|~RpKg"y*wu*^KSoACEM749wrJa)zf7EM/ (not made by mashing keyboard)

mousetail

Will probably take a while but why not just put it in your .env?

Avoid the risk

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail what's a .env?

you mean like github secrets?

mousetail

Yea like that

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail what if you double hash (like sha512(sha512("hello!")))

mousetail

Generally not recomended

PlaceReporter99

11:37 AM

@mousetail why not?

mousetail

Actually you shouldn't use sha at all, there are special password hashing algorithms

934

Q: How to securely hash passwords?

If I hash passwords before storing them in my database, is that sufficient to prevent them being recovered by anyone? I should point out that this relates only to retrieval directly from the database, and not any other type of attack, such as bruteforcing the login page of the application, keylo...

PlaceReporter99

@mousetail but would it still be "not recommended" if i replaced sha512 with special-password-hashing-algorithm?

mousetail

Yea

Those algorithms already have optimized the best settings

Though you can configure the number of iterations of you want to

They internally use sha many times but in a more complex way

PlaceReporter99

Even better random password: `ëq-¿3·y6kì¯=£h¯=´~ò£}KK¼â»öcF
åpÎjzo;^ÊSsëÂî/ºþû{lÙÃx9j3¦7Êx9õ 64²FÁ}+¶'÷\QI|øëÇUpN§ø$Üë
Æ°è8æ§ðIÒ÷C=:¾|ÍÖbîÃfÆ@zgéäg'F°GP%à1ô?ý(«Ubúç«e-c8èô¹ÇÒð`!Eù["øôüµ&@4ÑÖeÞW¶#¯$~èuk^¬n¾áZ¹ #6RÅZ¼à.x ¯÷¦¸ô
\ÿÄËïsRÜÜµØ³¿ª¡¥ÙÊðn©U !.½ R·».ÍðñCDi=Ö"wNE¾údeíÔ={u¿gu¯²ïI*rûÇëq÷Ýé×jVøûÑ»>ÿÞ?£(«;1[Â+T¦nC_3.¿n9L¤1ÎÎÄBä2·/cëª/69¼Ð'Ó»ëMUÖÄ¤ÿ´cþ½ÌjnÛù¤KL Å¬Û 2ZW9¾Ç®®YÀ£©ÑZR|Ã ·

I must remember the chinese password: 丞糲撸蹴椴頨絫靍烚錁

PlaceReporter99

1:42 PM

Apparently pronounced “Chéng lì lū cù duàn yǔ lěi hè xiá guǒ”

Ginger

@PlaceReporter99 both are bad

why are you even hardcoding passwords

Ginger

2:33 PM

is anyone here familiar with TypeScript? I'd like to use it for STDW but I have no clue how to do it

to clarify, I don't mean "how do I write TypeScript code"; I mean "how do I install TypeScript and use its tooling"

actually I think I've figured it out, nvm

>

this.element = (<HTMLElement>(<HTMLTemplateElement>document.getElementById("device-template")!).content.cloneNode(true)).querySelector("div")!

this is going pretty much as I thought it would

user

2:49 PM

@Ginger You shouldn't have to do all that casting

Ginger

probably not

but I come from the land ~~down under~~ of Kotlin and Python

user

Doesn't document.getElementById return an any or something?

Ginger

it returns an HTMLElement

user

Oh

Ginger

but I need an HTMLTemplateElement

noodle man

2:59 PM

@Ginger if you do document.querySelector("template") it should infer the type

Ginger

hmmm

noodle man

i think it would be HTMLTemplateElement | null, so you can use the ! assertion

Ginger

@noodleman I've only got one template, so this would work, but it feels kinda hacky to me

RubenVerg

@Ginger ewww bracket casts

Ginger

please don't kill me I'm new to this

RubenVerg

3:02 PM

they're kinda outdated

use value as type instead

noodle man

@Ginger ok how's this: (document.getElementById("device-template") as HTMLTemplateElement).content.cloneNode(true).querySelector("div")

Ginger

@noodleman that's just different syntax :p

noodle man

no i got rid of the unnecessary casts

RubenVerg

I would do document.querySelector<HTMLTemplateElement>('#device-template').content.cloneNode(true).querySelector('div')

using q/s in the first one allows you to use generics

Ginger

that's what I just changed it to do lol

noodle man

3:04 PM

ah yes i forgot about that. to be fair i haven't used typescript with vanilla html in quite a while

Ginger

hmm, I'm not actually sure if what cloneNode gives me can be safely casted to an HTMLElement

user

@RubenVerg And apparently conflict with JSX syntax (in case Ginger needs more motivation to use as)

Ginger

it ostensibly returns a Node

RubenVerg

@user oh right JSX for vanilla is really fun

just write your own factory

Ginger

and I've had weird issues with template.cloneNode returning document fragments and such

noodle man

3:06 PM

(
  document
    .querySelector<HTMLTemplateElement>("#device-template")!
    .content.cloneNode(true) as DocumentFragment
).querySelector("div");

Ginger

what's JSX? what's a "factory"? all I wanted to do was have JS but with typechecking and now I feel like I've opened a portal to a realm filled with horrors beyond my understanding

@noodleman this works, thanks

RubenVerg

@Ginger typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/jsx.html#handbook-content

noodle man

JSX is javascript with html syntax added, ReactJS invented it and has stuck withi the ecosystem ever since

Ginger

AAAAAAAAA

RubenVerg

actially this documentation is awful

Ginger

3:07 PM

I think I'm going to ignore that and stick with what I have now

clearly web development has changed in the last few years

RubenVerg

jsx is just a thing to write html-like code inside your typescript

noodle man

i think they're redoing the JSX types in the next ts version but ye

RubenVerg

the factory is just the function that TypeScript compiles it to

so like <hi>hello</hi> compiles to factory('hi', 'hello', {}) or whatever I can't remember now

Ginger

why would you want that

what is the purpose of it

RubenVerg

well it's nicer than writing 91 createElements

I use tsx often in like custom html elements

compare:

   const el = document.createElement('div');
   const sp = document.createElement('span');
   el.appendChild(sp);
   sp.textContent = 'hello world';
   sp.classList.add('red');

const el = <div><span class='red'>hello world</span></div>

user

3:11 PM

@lyxal We don't actually have entirely separate projects for the CLI and interpreter (I assume by modules, RubenVerg meant different sbt projects). We just have separate JS, JVM, and Native projects but the CLI's in the shared project since it doesn't do any platform-specific stuff (yet), I think

RubenVerg

there is also what i call the scalatags approach obviously, const el = div(span(['class', 'red'], 'hello, world')) or whatever

user

I love how in the Java world, modules mean what others refer to as packages, and packages mean what others refer to as modules

RubenVerg

@user yes I have three subprojects so like lazy val std = crossProject(...).in(file("std")) etc and then an aggregate root

user

@RubenVerg As much as I would prefer that over the verbosity of HTML, it's nice to be able to just copy HTML from somewhere into your JSX project

I tried Scalatags for a Scala.js project and it was hell, had to go back to HTML and a bit of JS

Actually, Scalatags mainly sucked for me because I was trying to port a big HTML file (and lots of JS) to Scala. Maybe writing it from scratch would've been more fun

noodle man

@Ginger if it's too much you can always revert to JSDoc comments with // @ts-check pragma at the top of your file

Ginger

3:24 PM

no, that'd be even worse

noodle man

i'm not a huge fan of JSDoc but some people prefer it over TS

eh too each their own

Seggan

@user modules are actually almost never used

RubenVerg

@user I think Scala + ScalaTags is great, but the closest JS equivalents look so bad that it is not worth the hassle

I've never had any issues with porting html to scalatags, 90% of the time a find & replace is enough

@user oh fun in my cli source roots for jvm, js & native I have 3 implementations of a debugger, each with a command-line interface (most of it is in the shared root) and a respectively swing, svelte & gtk gui

must be nice to not constantly break native compilation because ffi is fiddly as hell

Ginger

3:59 PM

aaaAAAAAAAA

ok I need help, but this time with CSS

currently, when the device list is too long it makes the whole page taller:

I want it to scroll instead of doing that

but I don't know how, because I am square brain

Bbrk24

I struggled with this same thing with the trilangle online interpreter

Ginger

welcome to htmhell

Bbrk24

on narrower screens, it’s a 1-column layout where the whole thing scrolls; on wider screens, it’s a 2-column layout where each individual panel scrolls

I did get that to work though!

Ginger

that is what I want

Bbrk24

Feel free to look at my code then

Ginger

4:02 PM

link plz

Bbrk24

github.com/bbrk24/Trilangle/tree/master/wasm I am typing this from memory on my phone so it might not be quite right

nope that worked

Check out index.html and in.scss specifically

Ginger

the real question is will I be able to make it work with Bootstrap

Bbrk24

oh bootstrap. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ginger

yeaaah

noodle man

@Ginger put overflow-y: scroll; on the container you want to scroll

Ginger

4:05 PM

@noodleman already did it

noodle man

did it not work?

Ginger

I'm no rube :p

@noodleman it did not

noodle man

throw a height on there

try height: 80vh, it's not perfect but just try it

Ginger

I already did, and that does fix it... kinda

if the height value is small enough it shrinks down to be the correct size

what I want it to do is keep it from being greedy and sucking up the maximum available space

noodle man

if you use display:grid on the parent layout it should be pretty easy

Ginger

4:07 PM

like, if I set height: 1px it'll work

@noodleman status-probablygoingtobreakbootstrap

noodle man

@Ginger status-nobodyusesbootstrapanymoresothatsayouproblem

Ginger

I did it and it did not work

@noodleman silence, heathen

I will use whatever framework I wish

noodle man

try tailwindcss, infinitely better

Ginger

I am not going to rewrite my whole UI just to maybe fix this stupidly simple bug

noodle man

im not suggesting that lol

Ginger

4:10 PM

oh, whoops

Bbrk24

I haven’t touched that UI code in months so don’t expect me to remember anything about it

RubenVerg

@noodleman bootstrap is so nice for prototyping

Ginger

well, I did it... kinda

RubenVerg

@noodleman tailwind is the one with objectively bad class names, right?

Ginger

by applying height: 100% to pretty much everything

noodle man

4:14 PM

@RubenVerg [status:didisayihavegoodopinions?]

RubenVerg

@noodleman status-fairenough

noodle man

@RubenVerg it makes your HTML look terrible but it makes writing CSS about 100x faster

reasonable tradeoff imo

RubenVerg

hmm

Ginger

4:28 PM

I hate CSS so much sometimes

the pain is real

user

5:26 PM

@noodleman My main reason for using Tailwind last time I tried making my own website was that I could copy other people's CSS for common elements from tailwindcomponents.com :P

I do hate how so many sites have auto-generated HTML class names so it's impossible to make uBlock rules to block annoying elements

@Seggan I guess they haven't caught on yet but I feel like that's partially because so many Java devs are stuck on Java 8

@RubenVerg oof

Can you use ScalaFX instead of Swing? I thought Swing was super outdated (or at least, that's what a teacher in high school told us, before proceeding to teach us...Swing)

@RubenVerg I mainly had issues with porting buttons and JS that modified elements. There were also some HTML tags that Scalatags didn't support out of the box, so I had to make them myself (that's a minor problem though)

Should've thought of find-and-replace lol

RubenVerg

@user I kinda dislike both Swing and Scala-/JavaFX so I just went with the one I know the most

though I'm tempted to drop both the jvm and native guis and just ship an electron app or something

@user yeah ok interactivity is somewhat more annoying with scalatags

also anybody know how I can hide some directories/projects in idea?

I especially dislike those js-jvm & js-native & jvm-native target-only roots

user

6:09 PM

@RubenVerg Mark it orange by right-clicking, then I think there's an option in the project view to not show orange directories

RubenVerg

good enough thanks

Dadsdy

Hello

I am planning to move my question today if I do not receive more feedback

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/namething/…

RubenVerg

6:54 PM

are gaussian integers an euclidean domain?

Bbrk24

riley@riley-VirtualBox ~
$ /usr/bin/clang --version
clang version 6.0.0-1ubuntu2 (tags/RELEASE_600/final)
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /usr/bin

riley@riley-VirtualBox ~
$ clang --version
clang version 13.0.0 (github.com/apple/llvm-project.git f0fb631dd1a3a2988b23ba5057cd9106713cd0b4)
Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /home/riley/Documents/swift-5.8-RELEASE-ubuntu18.04/usr/bin

I've barely used this VM how did I mess it up like this already

and why is /usr/bin/clang v6?

RubenVerg

@Bbrk24 why would you install swift in your documents folder

Bbrk24

I don't remember

Probably because I just happened to be in ~/Documents when I gunzipped it

RubenVerg

yeah okay but when you put it in path did you not go "oh I should move this somewhere sensible"

Bbrk24

Anyone want to guess what my $PATH looks like?

$ echo $PATH
/home/riley/.local/bin:/home/riley/Documents/swift-5.8-RELEASE-ubuntu18.04/usr/bin:/home/riley/.local/bin:/home/riley/.nvm/versions/node/v16.20.0/bin:/home/riley/.local/bin:/home/riley/Documents/swift-5.8-RELEASE-ubuntu18.04/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin

RubenVerg

7:01 PM

weirdly ordered as well

Bbrk24

This $PATH was brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

Ginger

7:53 PM

@RubenVerg imagine not installing everything in your documents folder

Aug 24, 2022 at 13:26, by Ginger

mine is 48 gigabytes

actually it's probably bigger by now

Bbrk24

8:31 PM

Visual Studio puts new projects in ~/source/repos by default

user

lol my Documents folder is 20.8 MB

And most of that is old college application stuff that my mom insisted I keep on my laptop

Unrelated String

8:53 PM

wow

New Posts

9:11 PM

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Q: Can Bitshift Variations in C Minor be compressed down to less than 185 characters?

Bitshift Variations in C Minor by Robert Miles is a Code Golf music piece written in C (with some additional bash commands). It was originally presented in a 2016 Computerphile video Code Golf & the Bitshift Variations. You can listen to clean renderings of it here (by Lucia Ceionia). The origina...

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Bbrk24

9:50 PM

I wonder if you could use a tool like gzip to compress it meaningfully

since this requires bash glue code anyways

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ooh

Bbrk24

gzip with no flags shaves a whopping 1 byte. Not even worth the invocation

gzip -9 is no better

what other cli compression tools do I have lying around

I don't have compress but tar has it built-in...

$ tar -cZ <<<'i;n;g(m,t,o){return("GTj?TG?5"[7&t]+!(n&12|t&2)*9)*i>>o&m&24;}main(s){for(;;)putchar(g(8,n=++i>>14,8)+g(n,n^(s=i>>10)/8,6)+g(n/3,n+s/2%3,6)+g(n/5,n-s%3,5));}' | wc
tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
Try 'tar --help' or 'tar --usage' for more information.
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that didn't work

xz -9e manages to be longer than the original

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nice

i wonder if less golfed versions of the code might compress better

Bbrk24

bzip2 -9 is also longer

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wow

Bbrk24

10:03 PM

I don't have lzip, lzma, lzop, or zstd, even though my tar claims to support them

ATaco

11:13 PM

My current esolang project uses 6 bit per instruction, which would be fantastic for golfing if it weren't otherwise verbose as heck.

ATaco

11:29 PM

᛫ᛋᛚᚷ᛫ᛋᛥᚷ᛬᛫ᛋᚷ᛫ᛚᚷᚩᚩ᛫ᛋᛚᚳ᛫ᛋᛥᚳ᛬ is a super convenient 20 byte method that: Multiplies ᛋ by 2

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incredible

i'm surprised how well the runes render in the chat font

hyper-neutrino

that seems perfect, I've always hated how overcomplicated most languages make multiplying things by 2

ATaco

It works by looping over the ᛫ᛋᛚᚷ᛫ᛋᛥᚷ᛬ method as many times as possible (Each time spending 1 ᛋ mana to do so), and each loop increases both ᛋᛚ and ᛋᛥ by one. After which, it converts both of those manas back into ᛋ mana.

I've got way more runes to assign yet, but I think it's already managed to be Turing Complete

Bubbler

Can you do unbounded loops with it?

ATaco

Sure can, ᛋᚷᚩ calls itself endlessly.

Bbrk24

11:37 PM

@ATaco ~~stán isn't a real rune~~

stán and cweorð both, but I don't see the latter here

ATaco

I'm 100% just doing it for the aesthetic

Taking inspiration from the runes, rather than authenticity

Bbrk24

fair enough

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