The Nineteenth Byte

mods are people with blue diamonds like me

room owners are people with italicized names like radvylf

staff are actual stack exchange employees like Catija

stack exchange employees: how

+ is there a list for mods+stuff?

thnx

@hyper-neutrino

OldSandboxPosts

1:00 AM

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Modular tetration, King of the Hill: Greed Control

1:12 AM

@OldSandboxPosts hello

@OldSandboxPosts bye

OSPs is a Bot, if it wasn't obvious.

@ATaco I know

@OldSandboxPosts hello

@OldSandboxPosts bye

@ATaco I have noone to talk to but

@ATaco so

then just don't talk; please don't flood the room with meaningless noise

OK

stack exchange employees: how
+ is there a list for mods+stuff?
thnx

+ is there a place like codegolf but with math?

what's a chat ban by the way and how do you get it (no I don't want to get it

@hyper-neutrino

@NumberBasher you can find a list of SE sites here. You're looking for math.stackexchange.com, probably

@NumberBasher not that I know of

@NumberBasher there are two types of "ban"s - chat suspensions disable your chat account entirely; if your parent account on the main site is suspended, you automatically get chat suspended for the same duration, and you can also be suspended by mods separately in chat

you can also get kickmuted from chat, which prevents you from rejoining the room for 1 minute initially, then 5 if you get KM'd again, then 30 the third time, which also raises a moderator flag automatically

1:29 AM

Math.SE is a great community, but they're level of math is higher than my level of math and it intimidates me.

Q: Find the Lowest Allowable Integer Which is an Optimal Even-Harmonic of the Values in a List

my experience with math.SE is primarily from following flags into their chatrooms so I would be a poor judge of their community :P

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PROBLEM For a list of numbers, list: Find the lowest possible integer, x, which is optimally close to the whole number even-harmonics of the values in list, but farthest from the whole number odd harmonics. list has a length of n, and all of the values in list are <= 2000. x has a maximum preci...

code-golf math number-theory

I do remember that one time PPCG joined in on a question to provide a bunch of neat visualizations.

You know what's fun? When a uni workshop tutorial gives you outdated gradle instructions

they said "add compile group: 'org.apache.struts', name: 'struts2-core', version: '2.5.25' to your gradle.build file"

but what they didn't say is that the way they've given is depreciated and removed

I am offended by any and all build-level instructions.

Entirely because StackOverflow is filled with C# solutions that assume you use Visual Studio

1:38 AM

@hyper-neutrino OH OK

I was asking for a place you ask questions to challenge not because you don't know

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I guess puzzling.se

Most Stack Exchange Communities are designed for sharing of information, very few are challenges to be solved.

PPCG and Puzzling are the exception, rather than the rule.

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PCCG Quine Your task is to create a program which prints the source code of your answer on this site, for example this answer: Random Language, 8 bytes SomeCode would print this: # Random Language, 8 bytes SomeCode Rules Standard loopholes are disallowed The title must be a heading The...

man it's been a while since I worked with anything JetBrains/IntelliJ related

the last time I touched a product of theirs was like 3 years ago when I was working with Android Studio lol

@ATaco i know PPCG and Puzzling are the exception, rather than the rule. and I know puzzling, I guess there isn't a math one after all.

@hyper-neutrino a flag makes a ban or what

I think it can result in suspension? Which is a temporary ban?

1:51 AM

yah like

a flag makes a temp ban?

if your message is deleted by red flags then you are automatically suspended for 30 minutes

or if you are already suspended your suspension is increased by 30 minutes

oh ok thnx

Just follow Chatiquette to the best of your ability and it should be smooth sailing

kickmuted from chat, which prevents you from rejoining the room for 1 minute initially,: how

what do you mean by how

2:03 AM

It's been many years since I joined TNB, But I'm pretty sure I've had atleast one administrative action against me

if you want I can check for you

@hyper-neutrino who can do that

mod?

yes

and room owners

oh ok

you can add as room owner?

hmm ok

if you want I can check for you : how

on a user's profile page under moderation tools there's a "permissions" link and when I click on it I can see things like if they've ever been banned from creating rooms, if they've been kicked, etc.

2:06 AM

@hyper-neutrino I'd be interested in that

you've been kicked 5 times, all of which were in testing rooms :P

I too wish to know how many admin actions have been taken on me

you've been kicked 4 times from TNB, by elendia, feeds, dennis, and feeds

... I want to assume feeds is mego but I'm not sure actually

Prolly Mego.

I think I remember a Dennis kick

2016/2017 was a different time

I also think I actually asked for atleast one of those

i was kicked twice in 2017 as well although i have a feeling the first one was a test since I was kicked only a few days later twice from a testing room

and the first kick was by the mod who was overseeing the test

2:10 AM

@hyper-neutrino I've only been kicked for science IIRC - can you check?

let's take this to the mod office just to avoid too much clutter :P

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2:24 AM

@ATaco what is a mego

Mego was(?) a very active member of PPCG and TNB. They were The Prime Penguin™

oh ok

I believe they were a Room Owner for a while alongside Dennis

Unfortunately, they've cut all ties with Code Golf

During The Incident, yeah

2:27 AM

@RadvylfPrograms which

CGCC Mod Office

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@lyxal Idk (personally) if we should share that screenshot, it was clearly during a time of a lot of stress for everyone and I wouldn't want something like that to be how I was remembered

It was in a publicly accesible discord server

imo it's fair game

Fair enough

I think I dodged The Incident, and I don't think that was a bad thing.

erm

what is the incident

2:29 AM

@RadvylfPrograms it was from a conversation on the Code Golf discord - anyone could fine it if they searched for Mego there

Basically, a moderator got accused of some stuff by SE due to a misunderstanding, SE refused to apologize, and a large number of SE's moderators and users either left or lost their trust in the company

what is the incident??? whhere can i find it// other history of cgse

@lyxal I know, but if people don't know to search for it they probably won't :p

@RadvylfPrograms oh ok

Riiiiight, I remember the starts of that

2:30 AM

@RadvylfPrograms when?

Early 2020, I think

My sense of time is scuffed

Anything within three years of 2020 is scuffed lol

Feb 28, 2021 at 1:17, by caird coinheringaahing

idk the physics behind it, but time has been on some hardcore drugs for the past 18 months

Only important date I hold onto in that timeframe is my wedding day

did you sort of reveal your age

;-)

2:35 AM

I mean, within like 20 years of precision

But most people here would tell you their age if you asked lol (I'm 16, most of the regulars here are 19, etc.)

I'm 3

Times 6

Plus 1

Definitely wouldn't be too hard to find my age by just searching around hard enough

Also, Number Basher, you posted your age publicly elsewhere

I sort of think Math is learnable without knowing language

@ATaco ah where remind me

probably out of date

i'm 13 now

In a Sandbox post you made

2:37 AM

any doubt what that pic is talking about?

@ATaco where

hmm

link?

I'm not sure if I linked to this website

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King of the Hill: Greed Control What is Greed Control Greed control is a multiplayer round-based game in which in every round, a player bet a number inside a specific range, say 1~100. Say 2 people betted 100, then they'd both get 100/2 which is 50 points in the game. Basically, the players th...

numberbasher.onuniverse.com

that was outdated

> I am a student and a teacher. I am aged 12

@NumberBasher We understand it because we already know the connection.

@ATaco this is completely unrelated to anything here, but is it unbearably cold for you down in Victoria? Because up here is cold as frick right now

If you did not know any language, this would be indecipherable.

@lyxal Freezing. Which is why I am hiding inside

2:38 AM

@ATaco oh ok

"180" is meaningless if you don't know that they are digits.

@ATaco thank frick it's not just me

@ATaco erm well i mean english and Chinese here whatever

guess what the chinese char on the left means

no prize

Probably, But I only know it because I know what the right means.

yah i mean let's assume you do

2:42 AM

It's likely "Sum of Angles", or simply "Angles"

actually

it means "sum"

but good guess anyways

But your original statement was "I sort of think Math is learnable without knowing language"

And my point was that the image you provided wasn't great evidence for that

ok i wanted to say

english or chinese

our school math is so lagging behind

"Our"..?

um

my school's math

guess what grade i am in without my age only that pic

2:45 AM

In Year 7/8 math, Geometry is pretty on-par.

yah grade 7

It's a good step towards Algebra, which is important for later down the line in Methods and Calculus

on-par: don't understand

@ATaco yep

On-Par roughly means making good pace

chinese math and english math value different things i think

2:46 AM

Referring to Golf, where a Par score is the goal to aim for

Guess what the chinese in the paren means

Generally, What math values you go for depend entirely for where you want to end up with math.

Couldn't even begin to parse it.

Oh, Biggest tip regarding school math: Pay attention when they teach Matricies.

i think english math (i am referring to the math in usa by this) values geometry and chinese math values algebra more and exponents and stuff, imo

That comes up far too often in programming and I still barely understand them

@ATaco why

@ATaco oh well

2:49 AM

If you plan to work with Game Engines, you'll probably need them at least a bit for Camera Operations.

i hold math classes every friday and for today i was thinking about teaching matrix... ;-) i like 3b1b's vids

Canvas is back! (again)

idk why we should have both radians and degrees, either have radians or have degrees.

Well I mean, they're for different audiences

Radians are great for calculus, but annoying for everyday stuff

yah

@emanresuA what is it

like reddit place?

2:53 AM

"2pi no-scope" or "turn pi over two radians to your right" just aren't as catchy

Radians are for math, Degrees are for humans.

And gradians are for misanthropes

oh ok

Anything else is for Randall Munroe

@RadvylfPrograms agree

@emanresuA what is it?

2:54 AM

A place where you can draw things

And what your particular math library uses will depend entirely on implementation and leave you scratching your head.

oh ok

hahaha

is canvas a bit like r/place?

My new unit for measuring angles: the smirp. There are 4 smirps in a full circle. So yuo're got a "smirp", a "two-smirp", a "half-smirp", a "smirpy" (a third of a smirp), a "two-smirpy", a "half-smirpy", and a "half-smirpypy" (an eighteenth of a smirp)

um ok

all practical or golfing programming languages should have builtin variables π, e, phi. Agree?

More halves and pys can be added to get any fraction with a denominator consisting of halves and thirds

2:57 AM

hmm

what about 37 degrees?

@RadvylfPrograms do we need to ban you from the international consortium of circle measures too?

what about 1 rad?

@lyxal hmm hahaha

Well he's already banned from the international consortium of programming language design due to rSNBATWPL

hahaha

he must be going for an all-consortium-ban speedrun

2:59 AM

@NumberBasher That's a thirty-seven-fifth-half-half-half-smirpypy

(i hate parenthesis)

@RadvylfPrograms what about 1 rad?

Can't say that in degrees either

A by-pi-half-smirp

There

hmm

what about 1 smug?

Anyway, night o/

a smug is i radians

> night o/

3:01 AM

o/

does that mean you go to sleep

i'm terribly lagged about slangs internet

has anyone wondered why have spelling and grammar when it doestn affact you understand the meanign of a sentance?

Human brains are hardwired for conversation. Interpreting intention and meaning rather than the raw word is what we're built for.

what does night o/ mean?

i'm bad at internet slang

"Night" is short for "Good night", and the "o/" is a head and a hand waving

what the ok... o/

what other secret slangs are you hiding from me

3:08 AM

if o/ is a thing then is \o also a thing ?

o|/-_ what about this

-\|o|/-

_-\|o|/-_

lol when i clicked on radvylfs turing complete challenge in mobile it auto hyperlinked 1114112 as a phone num :p

hmm, i'm planning on a lesson on matrix, any ideas what i should talk about first (audience: a 6th grader)

@AidenChow it is

@lyxal and they mean what ?

3:13 AM

Same thing

Just a different orientation

Anyhow, did you see the Desmos creation I linked?

I think you'll like it

im afraid to click it ngl :p

i feel like itll redirect me to a rickroll in some weirdass way

where

@lyxal where

@AidenChow Trust me you'll find it interesting

@AidenChow what does ngl mean?

14 hours ago, by lyxal

@AidenChow I found something someone made in desmos you might like

3:14 AM

oh ok

@NumberBasher not going to lie

@NumberBasher not gonna lie

yah i know

i searched

@AidenChow well, both of you are half right

@AidenChow it's just a video display of a graph someone made in desmos and quite impressive

@lyxal well, both of you are half right

3:16 AM

hmmmm....

hella sus, all im gonna say

ah well

it is a

lol okay

im still gonna rickroll myself tho, seems really interesting

I didn't lie when I said it was in desmos :p

...- .. -.. . --- / --- ..-. / .- / -.. . ... -- --- ... / --. .-. .- .--. .... / ... --- -- . --- -. . / -- .- -.. .

-.-- .- ....

yah

i'm right

> well, both of you are half right

you got rick rolled but it was desmos

@AidenChow I also found nyan cat and megalovania in desmos too

Don't got the links for those though

3:18 AM

where

well ppl do some hella impressive stuff in desmos, im not entirely surprised

check this out

@NumberBasher I just said I don't have the links for them lol

@AidenChow imagine not using youtube-dl --get-title :P

check this out

urlcc.cc/mathcodegolf

3:20 AM

@UnrelatedString not even too sure where that could be ran but ok

in
your shell?

are you on like a chromebook or som,ething

what shell

if so, rip

on windows 10

where to run that

cmd ??

just open your terminal

pip install youtube-dl

3:21 AM

oh its a python thing ?

it's a python package but it's also a standalone utility

check this out
urlcc.cc/mathcodegolf

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^ when i clicked on ur site O_O

erm

there must be a wayto actually view the site

it wouldn't crash your computer i promise

anyone?

well, don;t click that link

if you use that python thing

to get all available info:

Rick roll, but with different link
p7YXXieghto
https://rr1---sn-npoe7ns6.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1653039139&ei=wwuHYpmqMOq3z7sP3-WngA0&ip=119.13.103.39&id=o-AEmC0FwZiMqvwDG3JA3wt3_PDRTr92i-kOLSrcR0RZ-k&itag=136&aitags=133%2C134%2C135%2C136%2C160%2C242%2C243%2C244%2C247%2C278&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&mh=3e&mm=31%2C26&mn=sn-npoe7ns6%2Csn-30a7yn76&ms=au%2Conr&mv=m&mvi=1&pl=20&initcwndbps=412500&spc=4ocVC8qCTUnAgp3Yi2SoX7SElZd3&vprv=1&mime=video%2Fmp4&ns=IcWWrOTe3335peIFWuPv6JUG&gir=yes&clen=42277550&dur=212.040&lmt=1628785834150130&mt=1653017106&fvip=4&keepalive=yes&fexp=2400…

TIL all you need to bypass pay walls is a 12 foot ladder

3:34 AM

heh

someone should really make a rick roll detector that searches all available info and detect rick, roll, astley, strangers, love (case-insensitive)

3:48 AM

@lyxal That can almost certainly be turned into a web plugin

"Why yes, random website, I am a webcrawler. Thank you for asking."

@lyxal doesn't work for

nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/03/upshot/…

I've seen that puzzle before, The answer is surprisingly simple.

yep

well

you just have to remove the

> &gwt=pay&assetType=PAYWALL

i don't know why so simple

i personally like this

web.archive.org/web/20170707110554/http://sineridergame.com

Hello, anyone?

I've been working on Funky3 to pass time whilst working, but now I'm working to avoid working on Funky3.

How the turns tabled.

4:03 AM

:)

sometimes I sit and wonder why tomcat apache has to be so special and why it can't just play nice with struts2 and intellij

Anytime I hear Apache my ears start to ring and I remember my early days with PhP

ew php

Imagine not using java + apache

PyGamer0

@lyxal nice

i can finally read blog posts :)

des54321

4:20 AM

@ATaco pro strat: if youre procrastinating on project A, start working on project B to procrastinate, so that when you feel like procrastinating on project B, you can do that by working on project A

Unfortunately that means I'm net productive which goes against my ideals,

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4:37 AM

> Next we can create two JSP pages in the ‘jsps’ directory. One page will show a registration form (‘register-input.jsp’), and another will be a success/welcome page (‘register-input.jsp’).

Hmm yes that's two JSP pages

totally two

two completely different names

~~there's a zero width space in there or something~~

this just in on the latest best practices in java web frameworks

IntelliJ not having auto-html linting is fricking with me so bad

actually it doesn't have any auto-lint it seems

imagine not inconsistently applying idiosyncratic formatting rules that will be lost if anyone else ever touches your code