The Nineteenth Byte

Yes, I won $1B from the lottery, bought a bunch of pet hippos, and they all ran away. So I'm left with the exact same amount of money and hippopotamus.

Rather unfortnuate, but these things do happen.

We're quickly approaching a consensus that fractional byte counts are allowed :D

thejonymyster

this is a slippery slope. whats next. real bytecounts? complex bytecounts?

mathcat

dah no

let's invent a new type of number

Bgil Midol

mathcat numbers

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

2:33 PM

@thejonymyster Real byte counts are actually included in my answer as "fractional"

Since, e.g., on systems that use trits, you could easily end up with something like log_2(27) bits

thejonymyster

ah right

@mathcat i tried this actually. i do not recommend it

twice actually!

mathcat

oh

that hard?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Fmbalbuena brought up complex byte counts, but I don't think we really have a way to score that lol

thejonymyster

nah idk its probably worth it if you are better than me at math

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Since a complex number of bytes isn't really possible afaik

mathcat

2:37 PM

@thejonymyster probably not

thejonymyster

lol

mathcat

but I like maths :P

thejonymyster

i think its worth trying lol i was just exaggerating

first i was trying to make numbers which behaved like rock paper scissors

where a (something) b (something) c (something a

(not necessarily A>B>C>A as one might think beucase i dont think it makes sense mathematically that way)

mathcat

nice

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Modular arithmetic

thejonymyster

2:38 PM

yea but not that

mathcat

so wait I'll read a paper on set theory

thejonymyster

idk lol i have to work i cant talk much

Razetime

i have a question regarding splay trees

given the allowance to splay either of the root's child nodes, can every node be reached in a finite number of steps

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

My next golfing language will have an implementation written in C, I'm thinking

Ginger Industries

What are some reasonable compression types for SSI to support? (keep in mind this is being made in C#)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

2:49 PM

SSI?

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries I don't know SSI, what are the compression types?

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Super Simple Installer, my latest project

it's a way to make installers for programs easily

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'd go with gzip and deflate

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I haven't heard of a "deflate" archive type

mathcat

@GingerIndustries You need to make a tutorial for dumb people like me that explains a version of pyinstaller for dumb people

PyGamer0

2:51 PM

@WheatWizard i get the same answer as yesterday even if i use fractions

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Deflate

In computing, Deflate is a lossless data compression file format that uses a combination of LZSS and Huffman coding. It was designed by Phil Katz, for version 2 of his PKZIP archiving tool. Deflate was later specified in RFC 1951 (1996).Katz also designed the original algorithm used to construct Deflate streams. This algorithm was patented as U.S. Patent 5,051,745, and assigned to PKWARE, Inc. As stated in the RFC document, an algorithm producing Deflate files was widely thought to be implementable in a manner not covered by patents. This led to its widespread use – for example, in gzip compressed...

Ginger Industries

@mathcat I'm making a wiki that explains how to use SSI

PyGamer0

1/1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 + 1/9 + 1/10 + 1/15

something is wrong with my program

Bgil Midol

what is your problem your solving?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

~~oof~~

PyGamer0

2:53 PM

@BgilMidol yesterday's the same one

Bgil Midol

what is your code?

I'd go with lambda n:sum(1/x for x in range(1,x+1))

PyGamer0

yesterday, by Wheat Wizard

CMC: What is the smallest egyptian fraction representation of 3? I can do it in 13 fractions.

@BgilMidol its long cause i need to solve that ^

solve that properly

mathcat

nice question

null

hi i am back agaaaaaaaaaaaaaain

hyper-neutrino

what's an egyptian fraction representation, is it a sum of unique 1/x s?

mathcat

3:01 PM

yes think so

@PyGamer0 is a program asked or just the smallest representation?

PyGamer0

@mathcat just the smallest representation

@hyper-neutrino yes

does 2.95 count?

no

0

Lexurgy, 23 bytes For a tool meant for handling strings, it's surprisingly lengthy to output any string longer than 1 or 2 characters without any input. a: *=>Hello\,\ World\!

mathcat

I got 13

Bgil Midol

3:16 PM

does 3.01 count?

mathcat

@BgilMidol no

Bgil Midol

How about 3.0003968254?

mathcat

I got exactly 3 in 13 fractions

Bgil Midol

I got 3.14...

Neil

I've got 1/1+1/2+1/3+1/4+1/5+1/6+1/8+1/9+1/10+1/12+1/15+1/20+1/72

mathcat

3:28 PM

1've got 1/1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/8 + 1/9 + 1/10 + 1/12 + 1/15 + 1/18 + 1/120

Bgil Midol

Can I use multiplication

Neil

I've got 1/1+1/2+1/3+1/4+1/5+1/6+1/7+1/8+1/9+1/15+1/18+1/40+1/42

caird coinheringaahing

@BgilMidol It's not really an Egyptian fraction then

Wezl - y izl

does anyone golf in webassembly here?

Neil

(sorry I had 1/15 and 1/18 the wrong way around)

I've got 1/1+1/2+1/3+1/4+1/5+1/6+1/7+1/8+1/9+1/12+1/18+1/42+1/120

PyGamer0

3:35 PM

how?

maybe i am bad at programming

Ginger Industries

thoughts on this format?

Wezl - y izl

3:50 PM

>:| when your school makes a special exception to block all urls that include mozilla.org anywhere in them, including e.g. https://web.archive.org/https://developer.mozilla.org/...

Ginger Industries

@Wezl-yizl |:<

Fmbalbuena

when I downvote a question losing 1 rep then the question closes, I gain 1 rep, 0 total?

@emanresuA antifreeze

pxeger

@Wezl-yizl oh, I read that as "allow all urls", so you could just do disallowedsite.com/?mozilla.org lol

but no that's worse

what's wrong with mozilla?

Ginger Industries

@pxeger firefox probably

Wezl - y izl

idk maybe this is a horrible hack to block firefox

pxeger

3:56 PM

what's wrong with firefox?

Wezl - y izl

but yeah I can use archive.is so their blocking isn't even complete it's just extremely inconvenient

Ginger Industries

@pxeger most likely the fact that it can be set to clear all history upon close or private mode

pxeger

can't you disable that? I think Chrome can have Incognito mode disabled

Ginger Industries

@pxeger look idk man who knows what school admins think

Wezl - y izl

@pxeger perhaps it's just easier for them to only allow chrome

ofc I don't actually know if the blocking is at all related to firefox

Neil

4:01 PM

@PyGamer0 typing things into wolfram alpha and see what sticks

Ginger Industries

I have created the spec for SSI's config file format

oKAY SO LOOK WHAT I FOUND

should I put this on Meta somewhere?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

No, it's a secret message from Tim

He hopes we'll tunnel him out from under SE headquarters

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ಠ_ಠ

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Something tells me that I should be filing a bug report

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Don't betray my boy Tim like that

Apr 22 '21 at 16:46, by Redwolf Programs

It's just a guy posting them by hand. His name's Tim.

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani *unamused*

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

4:09 PM

Yeah, I'd post it on MM

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani okay, in progress

someone else did it already

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I got ninja'd by 20min

quick, take screenshots before it's gone!

i bet it's the intern's fault

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries reproduced

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Maybe someone will get fired for this and Tim can be promoted out of the dungeon

Ginger Industries

hey look 3 rows of users

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Not on my screen, yet

Ginger Industries

4:12 PM

my screen is smaller ig

caird coinheringaahing

@GingerIndustries Someone beat you to it

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing I beat you to saying that they beat me to it

recurrrrsion

user

@Wezl-yizl don’t they simply stop you from downloading firefox?

caird coinheringaahing

Ah, but I linked to it :P

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing >:(

CMC: Find the longest consecutive sequence of starred messages in this room

Although not consecutive, this conversation was pretty ridiculous

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

4:19 PM

2

caird coinheringaahing

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Careful, SE might sue you for revealing classified info about SE Inc. HQ

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing don't worry, @mathcat will protect us with the Power of SE Nitro

Adám

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Where's the rep treasury?

mathcat

@GingerIndustries Yes

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Inside SE Inc, but the building's a black box since they decided to switch to functional programming

mathcat

4:22 PM

btw I'm making a short animation film about SE Nitro's powers

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ಠ_____ಠ

@mathcat oh boy are we in it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I'm so exicted

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani "exicted" aren't we all?

mathcat

m not saying anything

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Inded

mathcat

4:23 PM

but it might take a while

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Preesyslie

mathcat

I'm not a good video editor

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Move the next greater number, with fewest fails to take everything Your task is to move the next greater number, with fewest fails to take everything Example: 1234 Can do like this >>> Because moves to right, the next number is greater than previous But 124 435 Is impossible so the fewest fail...

Fmbalbuena

^ Any feedback?

Ginger Industries

@mathcat Last time I checked humans didn't support that in general, maybe a patch came out

TNB has:
* A language
* (upcoming) A feature film

Fmbalbuena

4:24 PM

* 6 (IIRC) replies to me in a row

Ginger Industries

nice

Fmbalbuena

no, 5

Ginger Industries

@mathcat can we have a trailer?

Fmbalbuena

5 pings in a row

Dec 2 '21 at 0:51, 13 seconds total – 5 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Fmbalbuena

mathcat

@GingerIndustries it's just a shrt film

I just finished the script and started

ys

Fmbalbuena

4:30 PM

Someone star 5 pings in a row

Ginger Industries

short film vs shirt film who will win

Wezl - y izl

shirt with a built-in light-emmiting screen or with a built-in projector and screen, who will win

for watching shirt films

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

First is better, second is cheaper

The cell connection at my school is so awful

Trying to upload some math homework from my phone

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani maybe you need some mitochondria, I hear they're the powerhouse of the cell

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

More like some cytoplasm

Ginger Industries

4:35 PM

^^ I think that was the Pun of the Day

Fmbalbuena

^ pun of the day

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

tfw you can't upload your math homework because a couple hundred people are using the same cell tower to watch netflix lol

Fmbalbuena

(removed)

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Q: Program compressor

Choose a language and write a program in the language that: Take a valid program of the language as input, Output a string(bytearray, etc.). It needn't be a valid program. Only finite valid inputs result in longer/same-length(in bytes) output. Different valid input, even if behave same, lead to ...

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Fmbalbuena

4:39 PM

Never gonna give you up

Ginger Industries

:/

pxeger

4:51 PM

grr

Ginger Industries

I'm going to start work on RickBlocker at some point soon

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I made one a while back, for chat only

It highlights every link I hover in gray, so even if it ever breaks, I can't go to click on a link without first realizing the protection is down

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani cool

my system is essentially going to check the url of every request being made to figure out if it's a rickroll

it would basically be an adblocker for rickrolls

mathcat

AntiRickBlock will come

Ginger Industries

@mathcat and how're you gonna do it?

mathcat

4:56 PM

not gonna tell

but, you know, on my level of js understanding.

Ginger Industries

@mathcat I... do not think that a website can mess with an extension

sure, they can detect extensions, but what're you gonna do? Load another rickroll?

mathcat

you'll see (I know I sound very optimistic, but my plan isn't even half ready)

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Q: Represent any integer with an expression that uses no digit besides '4'

Fourward (Introduction) I have an unhealthy obsession with the number 4. I love it so much, in fact, that seeing any other digit is frustrating to me. I therefour wish to create a 'Fourier Transformation': a way to represent any integer value with an expression that uses only the digit 4. Fourmat...

math number integer expression-building

Ginger Industries

why the hell is there a fee to make GOOGLE CHROME EXTENSIONS

>>>>>>>>>>:(

mathcat

what?

but I think most of us use tampermonkey or that sort of thing

Ginger Industries

5:00 PM

@mathcat sorry what

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries whaat

Ginger Industries

you have to pay $5 to register to make extensions

null

hi there

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries come on

mathcat

@GingerIndustries here

Sandbox Posts

5:02 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Inject arbitrary code into a compiler cops-and-robbers In this challenge, cops will invent a (likely simple) programming language, and write an interpreter, transpiler, or compiler that allows you to run it. Robbers will write a program in this language that manages to inject arbitrary code into...

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries To ensure people don't fill the app store with spam

A lot better than Apple's $100/mo or whatever

Bgil Midol

@taRadvylfsriksushilani true

@taRadvylfsriksushilani wait what

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Oh, it's annual, but still

null

a little question

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

> If you sell an app priced at $0.99, your share will be about $69.3.

This must be incorrect lol

null

5:04 PM

how up-to-date is the !@#%&*()_+ interpreter on tio

pxeger

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Does it mean if you sell a certain number of copies of the app, but that's just not clearly specified, maybe?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

No, obviously you just need to buy it once, and use the free $60 to but it 60 more times, and use that to buy it 3600 times more and

null

anyone?

damn I'm gonna implement this myself someday

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

heehee, remember that assignment I had the other day where I had to watch a 12m video?

Well, I have three of them today. So, I'm playing all at once, each in one quarter of my screen :p

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani hackerman

CMQ: Ways to detect Rickrolls?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

5:14 PM

I just check for the rickroll video ID

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani problem: reposts

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Not a true rickroll

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani mmmmmmm I think other people would disagree

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

You could block popular link shorteners and all YT links without a confirmation prompt

hyper-neutrino

just never click any links :galaxybrain:

Ginger Industries

5:16 PM

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ah yes, just block YouTube

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Well, do a confirm() first I mean

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani That would grow real annoying real fast

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Idk, YT links aren't super common on chat anyway

Wezl - y izl

well rickrolls are nothing but annoying

so it just depends on which you find more annoying

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani this extension is for everything, not just chat

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

5:18 PM

No, I have a rickroll allergy

It's like bee stings

For most people they're painful, for others they kill you

Wezl - y izl

Jan 7 at 15:51, by Redwolf Programs

You beat me to it, I was going to do a rickroll :p

Ginger Industries

@Wezl-yizl hmm

Wezl - y izl

I will bring this up whenever you say something that could be taken as the slightest bit of disapproval of rickrolls

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Rickrolls are awesome

I only dislike them ironically

Wezl - y izl

ok fair

Ginger Industries

5:21 PM

so for YT links I think we can pause the request, get the video ourselves, and check if it's a rickroll (somehow)

thejonymyster

Rick be like. Keep rollin rollin rollin rollin...

@GingerIndustries check for key rickroll frames?

like the foot

or like, the first body shot

Ginger Industries

@thejonymyster that's a good idea that I have no clue how to do

thejonymyster

^_^)b

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@GingerIndustries You're auto-rickrolling your browser then :p

Wezl - y izl

@GingerIndustries at any point if you look at the rick, you are rickrolled

Ginger Industries

5:22 PM

@Wezl-yizl the extension is doing the request, you'll never see it

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani thats the job of the browser, to act as a meat shield against rickrolls

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Wezl-yizl I disagree. If it's part of the link checking stuff, like when you click a link in google docs, it doesn't count

Wezl - y izl

okay maybe the rick has to be moving

thejonymyster

@Wezl-yizl in order for a rick roll to be valid the "rick" must be "rolling"

Ginger Industries

doesn't YT have a thing in the desc where it tells you what music is in the vid?

thejonymyster

5:24 PM

ah genius

Wezl - y izl

(but alternative rickroll links and any edits to the video at all make the rickroll count for less rick roll points)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

But what about silent film rickrolls?

Ginger Industries

this is hard ok???

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani thats just a video of rick astley

Ginger Industries

i'm trying

Wezl - y izl

5:24 PM

they still count, but for much fewer rickroll points

thejonymyster

what about the audio on a different video?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

I've never been sneak-rickrolled before. Blocking the 4w4 thing and confirm()ing link shorteners has never given me up, let me down, or run around and deserted me yet

7

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani >:|

r/angrystar

Wezl - y izl

rickroll points are redeemable here :P

3

thejonymyster

a userscript that blocks any and all instances of never gonna give you up lyrics

Wezl - y izl

5:25 PM

such as CGCC :P

Ginger Industries

there's a "music in this video" thing! I knew it!

Anush

what is a golfed way to check that 0 <= x <= b where x, b are integers (in Python)

thejonymyster

@thejonymyster * userscript **** blocks *** *** all instances ** ***** ***** **** *** ** lyrics

Anush

if x>=0 and x <= b: is the simple option

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Anush Doesn't Python have 0<=x<=b as valid syntax?

Anush

5:27 PM

@taRadvylfsriksushilani oh!

silly me .. thanks

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

>:| just got a question wrong because I used x as a variable instead of t

Ginger Industries

CMC: Write JS code that, given a YouTube page in HTML, parses and returns the data in the "Music in this video" section if it exists

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Problem: YT's HTML varies depending on your user agent, IIRC

Wezl - y izl

@GingerIndustries vtc as unclear

Ginger Industries

goD DAMN

my sanity is vanishing

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

5:31 PM

"go damn" lol

thejonymyster

me @ god

Ginger Industries

all I wanna do is find if a video has Never Gonna Give You Up in it

but I have been let down

Wezl - y izl

youtube downloading and parsing and metadata extracting programs already exist

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Probably just regex search for "music in this video" and "rick astley"

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani this is a stupid idea that will likely work

just check if "rick astley" occurs anywhere in the page

Wezl - y izl

5:35 PM

stupid as in smart

Ginger Industries

@Wezl-yizl "stupid" (adj): smart

Ginger Industries

5:48 PM

Extension pseudocode:
if (url.isRickroll()) {
        panic();
    }

hey look someone already did it

my version's gonna be better tho

hyper-neutrino

oh i realized why the monospace font fix userscript was broken

it actually wasn't; the APL font userscript overrides everything (including the background color for some reason)

mathcat

@GingerIndustries gonna test it on my AntiAntiRickroll

Ginger Industries

@mathcat you fool, I shall create an AntiAntiAntiRickroll

mathcat

you forgot about my AntiAntiAntiAntiRickroll

Ginger Industries

@mathcat good thing I came prepared with an AntiAntiAntiAntiAntiRickroll

Bgil Midol

5:54 PM

@GingerIndustries how about my AntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiRickroll

Ginger Industries

@BgilMidol Seems like I'll have to use my AntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiRickroll

thejonymyster

/(Anti)+Rickroll/

Ginger Industries

Presenting the Ginger Industries AntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAntiAnti/(Anti)+Rickroll/rollRickrollAntiRickrolloll

mathcat

Good thing I came up with this

Ginger Industries

@mathcat +("Anti" i)

mathcat

5:59 PM

ha mine's 5 bytes

5 pings in a row

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