The Nineteenth Byte

Catija

9:00 PM

Probably not, no. :)

hyper-neutrino

something like puzzling SE's proposal to ban Deusovi for being too good but for even more users? xD

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija anagol, one of the other most popular code golf sites does something like that. I've personally never been a fan of it

@hyper-neutrino I'd suggest banning Dennis for being too good but... :(

Catija

I would guess that a lot of the purpose-built sites also do things like have certain competitions restricted to people at different levels, maybe?

hyper-neutrino

Maybe we could add a note somewhere in the tour... not sure

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, cause people read the Tour

user

9:01 PM

Most people don't read the Tour :P

hyper-neutrino

heh

yeah you're right :c

Catija

Have y'all been paying attention to the discussions about new user onboarding?

caird coinheringaahing

Closely

hyper-neutrino

hey, maybe we could use the unfixed image security holes to track how often people read the tour (for legal reasons that's a joke)

caird coinheringaahing

It's about 20% of new users read the tour before posting their first question

user

9:03 PM

@hyper-neutrino You just need to look at how many have the Informed badge

hyper-neutrino

ik :p

Catija

We know the Tour isn't great and are looking for other options... so there may be some other thing in the future that can be more customized for y'all's needs... without being completely built for you only.

hyper-neutrino

ooh. sounds exciting

caird coinheringaahing

I did the math a while back to find out which users posted a question (on 1 rep) after getting the Informed badge, something like 20%

user

@hyper-neutrino ig violating people's privacy is more fun :P

caird coinheringaahing

9:03 PM

@Catija Those are the best types of features :D

user

@Catija Could those options involve a popup whenever someone looks at a site for the first time?

Catija

It's still really early, but do communicate about things that you think would help onboard people and try to talk about your experience here but put it in context of the value in general rather than to CG only... if that makes sense.

hyper-neutrino

so basically, advertise it in a way that would be appealing to any site :P

user

That's easy, let me draw up a feature request to make the topic of every site on the network code-golf, including CR :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija I doubt this will have any support from y'all at SE, but removing all the obtrusive pop-ups, ads and banners when first visiting the sites would be a good first step. Can't speak to others, but if I have to click 15 "Go away" buttons, I don't feel like contributing to that site

Catija

9:08 PM

@user Not sure. Maybe? We still have a lot of research to do, I think.

hyper-neutrino

i feel like it's also likely to make someone decide to skip everything and thus ignore the helpful first asker/answer modals, sidebar help tips, etc, whatever else

Redwolf Programs

Anyone here know how to filter out closed questions in SEDE? The closeddate just doesn't seem to exist for non-closed questions and I'm not sure how to check for that

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Use closeddate is null

If I visit codegolf.stackexchange.com in an incognito browser, I see the "Take the Survey" ad (not relevant), the Cookies pop-up (necessary, but annoying) and a massive banner that tells me less about the site than just looking at the front page of challenges - which are all hidden by the pop-ups

Redwolf Programs

:|

I had done closeddate = null

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing The banner isn't that bad, but it could definitely have some more information about how CGCC works

caird coinheringaahing

9:11 PM

@user I'd rather just not having it. You can figure out a decent amount about the site by browsing it, and we have a pretty long "standard" welcome message that would just take up more space

Besides, we have so many welcome pop-ups already, the banner doesn't do anything besides take up space

user

We have more? All I get is the cookie pop-up

caird coinheringaahing

Like the Answer pop-up, the Asking pop-up, the sidebar, etc.

user

Oh

But those (the Answer and Asking pop-ups, at least) aren't visible to a user who may just be browsing the answers on a challenge and who may decide not to post an answer at all because there's already an answer in, say, Scala

Catija

@user it could be better as a modal instead of a banner but it predates us using modals so much. If it's a modal it'd play nicer with the other ones, I'd think?

Heading out to get kids. Toodles!

caird coinheringaahing

o/

Redwolf Programs

9:19 PM

I believe the minimum number of tags to find every (non-closed) question on the site is 23

[code-golf], [tips], [code-challenge], [fastest-code], [programming-puzzle], [popularity-contest], [atomic-code-golf], [king-of-the-hill], [fastest-algorithm], [cops-and-robbers], [fewest-operations], [code-bowling], [metagolf], [test-battery], [rosetta-stone], [answer-chaining], [proof-golf], [challenge-writing], [code-trolling], [showcase], [busy-beaver], [puzzle-solver], [restricted-source]

caird coinheringaahing

All the winning criteria?

code-trolling shouldn't be necessary - all code trolling questions should be pop-cons

Makonede

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caird coinheringaahing

You good there @Makonede?

Redwolf Programs

Nope, at least one code trolling without popcon

Makonede

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's a puzzle :P

user

9:22 PM

Any hints?

@RedwolfPrograms How...how did you find that?

Makonede

well it has to do with code golf

Redwolf Programs

This isn't on topic, is it?

It's the only reason [restricted-source] is in the list

caird coinheringaahing

Very nice question. I'm absolutely in favour of question about esoteric programming and unconventional computational models, but be prepared for some people close voting, because currently this doesn't quite fit the scope people agree on on meta. I'd love for this to set a precedent for such questions though. :) — Martin Ender Mar 12 '16 at 13:48

Redwolf Programs

Maybe there should be a tag for that (would [tips] work?)

user

Looks like a tips question maybe ^

Redwolf Programs

9:31 PM

@user By hand. I started with [code-golf], then found all of the questions with a single other tag, added those to the list, and repeated. Once I got down to a few hundred, I could see tags that obviously had to be in the list (like ones that were in two questions with no other tags in common).

hyper-neutrino

hey @totallyhuman! been forever since i've seen you around

totallyhuman

hi

been forever since i've been around

hyper-neutrino

how've you been

totallyhuman

aside from the impending doom of perpetual studying, just about good :)

hyper-neutrino

impending doom doesn't sound great :P but good to hear you've been doing well

totallyhuman

9:38 PM

distancing myself from code golf proved to be both a boon and a curse so i suppose i'm exploring options :P

i see you're blue now

hyper-neutrino

I am, I have acquired a fancy quadrilateral.

TheLethalCarrot

@hyper-neutrino I used to be quite active over here, was my first SE home, but I haven’t been on the site for a while. We may have interacted previously but I can’t remember :)

totallyhuman

i cannot for the life of me remember if that means if you're a chat mod or a site mod

Makonede

both i think

totallyhuman

right, forgot about that option lol

caird coinheringaahing

9:39 PM

Chat mods are site mods :P

You can't be a chat mod unless you are a mod on at least one SE site :P

hyper-neutrino

@TheLethalCarrot Oh really, that's interesting! I see you have a different username here (though I think I'd remember by your profile picture and since the name isn't that much different). Maybe we've interacted before and I just can't remember :P

"chat mod" isn't actually a thing I believe

caird coinheringaahing

ROs are kind of "chat mods" :P

totallyhuman

is that what the italic names are then

hyper-neutrino

well, with one exception - mod-restricted-access rooms have staff-appointed room moderators

@totallyhuman yes

and a mod is automatically an RO of every room they can access, hence why my name is also italicized

TheLethalCarrot

@hyper-neutrino I used to have a different avatar. It wasn’t until I jumped into SFF properly that I chose this one and stuck with it. I was in TNB back then but not overly active

totallyhuman

9:42 PM

right

caird coinheringaahing

@TheLethalCarrot Good luck with the SciFi election btw

hyper-neutrino

Oh, in that case maybe we have interacted and I just don't remember. I've changed my avatar semi-recently too (but not my username) :P ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^^ as well

totallyhuman

well good to know i recognize a couple fac-- avatars

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino You definitely did change your username :P

hyper-neutrino

okay HyperNeutrino => hyper-neutrino barely counts :P

totallyhuman

9:43 PM

how is stack exchange... doing?

caird coinheringaahing

Its recovering

totallyhuman

did anything change after that fiasco?

caird coinheringaahing

SE has been making more and more positive changes, but they still haven't properly (in a lot of people's opinions) apologised to Monica

totallyhuman

mm

TheLethalCarrot

Thanks both :)

totallyhuman

9:44 PM

the starboard points to an alternative so that doesn't bode too well

caird coinheringaahing

Codidact and SE have been mostly coexisting

hyper-neutrino

@totallyhuman to clarify, there is no (current) suggestion of moving to Codidact and replacing SE. it's sort of a side thing that many of us have expressed interest in also participating in

caird coinheringaahing

A lot of SE users split their time, rather than moving completely

totallyhuman

@hyper-neutrino yeah i remember that being the case for other options as well

downgoat iirc had a hand in one option?

and top... answers?

hyper-neutrino

well, back in 2019 there was significantly more interest in the "moving completely off SE" part - most people who are still around now are unlikely to decide to leave now (at least not due to the incident with Monica)

@totallyhuman Axtell, which is completely dead

I think TA is also dead

totallyhuman

9:46 PM

ah

user

TA isn't dead, but it seems to be struggling

caird coinheringaahing

Codidact is barely alive tbh, activity wise

user

@RedwolfPrograms Oh cool

I thought it'd be a lot harder, given all the tags and questions there are

hyper-neutrino

Codidact seems to be coming along well though. Of course it's going to take a good amount of time and work to build up even close to the amount of community and activity we have here, but it seems to be improving. Axtell is just dead; the site is still up but the repo is archived. I think I visited TA like once

user

The TA UI needs a lot of work

Codidact's UI looks like a lot like SE

Redwolf Programs

9:49 PM

It could also use a bit of work IMO

user

Yeah, I'm sure there's also some bugs

totallyhuman

man i go to check my profile to see anything that i could be proud of
and my top voted answer is most accurately described as a "shitpost"

user

But the TA UI is bad enough that it might actually drive users away

Redwolf Programs

That's the wrong link

very much the wrong link

user

Fixed, sorry

Redwolf Programs

9:52 PM

Ohhh...that's not great UI

user

Yeah

hyper-neutrino

TBH out of all four Axtell's is probably my favorite UI-wise

Redwolf Programs

Yeah. It wasn't perfect but with a bit of polish it would've looked great.

user

Guess you need a community to go with a pretty UI :(

Redwolf Programs

Not to insult TA or Codidact, but their UIs make them look like an early 2000s bulletin board and an amateur passion project, respectively

Codidact's just needs some polish though

I could see the general structure looking really good if some spacing, colors, fonts, etc. were improved

user

9:58 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone starts out ugly

Then if they get ~~money~~ users, they can get ~~cosmetic surgery~~ more devs to build a better website

Oh actually Codidact doesn't get money from advertising, does it?

Redwolf Programs

I like Codidact, but something Axtell (where it's 100% code golf centered) would be nicer as a permanent solution if that was necessary. The Q&A format is something that requires a lot of work to make work for code golf, so we'd either have to start compromising SE-style as Codidact grows, or unfairly burden them with a ton of features that only benefit us.

Custom > Codidact ~ CGCC >> Nothing, I suppose

totallyhuman

yeah stack exchange happened as a result of somebody wanting to do it on stack overflow but something more specifically designed for challenges and solutions would be nicer

with options like sorting solutions by language

and suggested golfs potentially being separated from comments

user

That'd be cool

totallyhuman

(not including built-in ability to run the code but that would definitely be cool as)

hyper-neutrino

see, to make the best interface for code golf, you'd need to build an interface specifically for code golf

user

10:04 PM

Also having test harnesses automatically generated from the question for certain languages

hyper-neutrino

which TA, Codidact, and SE all don't really do

which might be why I like Axtell's UI the best

totallyhuman

yeah

hyper-neutrino

unfortunately, it also means it's very non-extendable

user

@totallyhuman Axtell kinda does that, but it doesn't have a header or footer section, which means it's kinda useless

hyper-neutrino

which is why SE doesn't cater to any site in particular, and Code Golf just happens to be one of the sites where that impact is most profound

totallyhuman

10:06 PM

yeah

caird coinheringaahing

Being the "unique" middle child of SE doesn't really help :P

totallyhuman

i mean, what we're essentially describing is a brainchild of something like anarchy golf and stack exchange

user

Idea: Summon a djinni, make it fork Axtell, get money for a hosting service, maintain Axtell, and give me nachos

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly, if anagol had arbitrary language support, and a decent community (a la chat community), I'd join

totallyhuman

what anarchy golf lacks is the ability to collaborate and communicate

yeah but it is very much "i win or you win" and nothing happens from there on

Peilonrayz

10:07 PM

@Catija A long time ago I wanted to get into golf. But had exactly the experience you described. Additionally seeing Jelly answers take up the space of a Python keyword... :(

Redwolf Programs

Don't worry about the golfing languages, languages (officially) only compete with other answers in the same language

hyper-neutrino

@Peilonrayz yeah, the whole "answers only compete in a language category and not with each other" thing is unfortunately not as prominent as we'd like - we don't want people to think their 50-byte C++ answer is bad because someone did it in 3 in a language made just for these purposes, but that isn't always potrayed well

Catija

@Peilonrayz did something change that? Or is there something that would have made you feel like you had something to contribute? (Caveat that lots of the best solutions may not be feasible here)

hyper-neutrino

also 3 bytes takes less time to think of and write than 50 bytes, so it's also subject to FGITW which is fuirther amplified by HNQ

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Its also a bit "hand-wavy"

hyper-neutrino

10:10 PM

yeah

it's sort of like "oh yeah we say this but like, it doesn't really mean particularly much tangibly"

caird coinheringaahing

Its probably the best compromise, but it isn't perfect

Redwolf Programs

I sort of group languages of a similar golfiness together. Like I'll try to compete with a Python answer in JS, but I consider Jelly/05AB1E/Husk to be their own category.

Peilonrayz

@Catija I have 101 rep here so, no. I'm also just not good at golfing :/

totallyhuman

> with options like sorting solutions by language

i would think something like this would help

Catija

@hyper-neutrino it'd be super cool if the language was an answer sort option that you could configure and find challenges without answers in the language you prefer.

Redwolf Programs

10:12 PM

@Peilonrayz Nobody's good at golfing by default :p

Catija

@Peilonrayz I was being lazy about checking :😛

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz It's not as prominent, but non-golf challenges are a large part of the site

totallyhuman

...i can't figure out this twisted markdown

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino & Redwolf Yeah I didn't know about that rule. Makes a lot of sense tho

caird coinheringaahing

If it begins with >, the entire message is a quote

totallyhuman

10:13 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing well isn't that unfortunate :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija I take it that we'd never get you guys to implement that?

hyper-neutrino

@Catija oh yeah, definitely. unfortunately that's even more work and even more site-specific and most of the other FRs we've had - like I can't actually think of how this'd be able to be productive on any other site lol

Catija

@totallyhuman multi line messages only allow block-level markdown (essentially code blocks or quotes) and it applies to the entire message. Raw links will be linky.

@cairdcoinheringaahing not unless we had tons of time to branch y'all out, unfortunately no.

Redwolf Programs

I could make a language sort/categorizing userscript, if y'all want, though it's not much help for new users of course

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz Honestly, I'd just suggest keeping an eye out for any HNQ questions from us that you like the look of, then giving it a shot. Doesn't really matter how short it is, so long as you've put in enough effort to make you happy :)

totallyhuman

10:16 PM

@RedwolfPrograms that's the unfortunate part, if you know what to look for, your browser's built-in "find in page" will do the trick

Catija

Y'all created the tool that lets people test the golfed code, right? So that's pretty awesome.

totallyhuman

meaning that it is just the new users who really need anything of the sort

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija That is a pretty cool thing tbh. The fact that TIO was spawned from this site is definitely "bragging-rights" worthy :P

totallyhuman

speaking of, is dennis not around very much?

Redwolf Programs

No :(

caird coinheringaahing

10:18 PM

in talk.tryitonline.net, Feb 3 '20 at 16:39, by Dennis

Hey all. I'm sorry for disappearing on you and for taking bad care of TIO lately. I'll try to explain what's been happening, although it's not easy for me to talk about this...

totallyhuman

oh jeez

Peilonrayz

@Catija Have SE ever thought about letting sites build and provide custom code? I think many sites could benefit from having 'site scripts'

Redwolf Programs

That'd be really cool if that could be implemented

totallyhuman

i don't know what to say because i can't imagine what that's like

caird coinheringaahing

Aside from a couple of silent critical bug fixes, that was more or less the last time TIO was updated

totallyhuman

10:21 PM

i don't know if this is the right thing to say but i'm glad he can keep tio up

Peilonrayz

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh no, then I'll see someone half my solution D: Then I'll never be happy!

totallyhuman

even after having stopped golfing, tio is still my primary tool tbh

hyper-neutrino

@Peilonrayz the trick is to learn (or invent!) a language that nobody else uses :P

Catija

@Peilonrayz it'd kinda require us to be (more?) open source?

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman Yeah. I can't speak for anyone else, but it kills me that someone I respect so much is a) struggling at all with something like that, and b) there;s very little I can do to try to help :/

Redwolf Programs

10:22 PM

^ :/

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz Another good way to get into contributing (especially for users familiar with the network) is to comment byte saves that you can find on other answers. Helps train that "golfing eye"

Redwolf Programs

I'd still post JS answers even when I knew I'd get massively outgolfed, and now I've got enough practice from seeing how people half my byte count that I only get minorly outgolfed :p

Peilonrayz

@Catija I'm not sure. I think legally you could have a third section "Company IP" "User Contributions" and "Site" - you'd have to impose some limitations on the license, don't want GPL3 getting you. But I don't think you'd need to open source anything if it'd just be DOM manipulations... but then again changing anything would be a PITA.

caird coinheringaahing

As I'm sure hyper can attest to, at least 25% of my activity here is suggesting Jelly golfs :P

Redwolf Programs

@Peilonrayz They could make some sort of API maybe, so that none of the actual internals are exposed

hyper-neutrino

10:25 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing at least 25% of my Jelly answers here have caird's golfing suggestions under them :P

Redwolf Programs

It'd be a big security risk if the approval process wasn't extremely strict though

Related to the above conversation on TIO being mostly unmaintained now, I'm considering making a TIO clone. People seemed to like the Risky interpreter's UI, and I have no life

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino Ah yes, create a language D: I've been building one for something else, I may ;)

Redwolf Programs

And if you dislike golfing languages, I'd recommend making one :p

hyper-neutrino

@Peilonrayz don't worry about it being ungolfy :) we greatly enjoy even brainfuck answers and it's... not exactly known for being the best at code golfing :D

Catija

We're doing more OS stuff. Mostly more design elements, though. The new editor is completely OS, though.

caird coinheringaahing

10:27 PM

Unless you're a Unary golfer, we don't serve their type round here ;P

Redwolf Programs

I just noticed an inconsistency in the UI in Risky's interpreter lol, I'd thought the dropdown menu seemed to bug but I figured I was imagining it

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino I've seen enough BF CR questions to know I don't want to go near that abomination. All the beautiful sugar, gone!

Redwolf Programs

The esolangs get way worse than BF :p

hyper-neutrino

BF is comparably tame; at least each operator makes sense on its own

i still cannot wrap my head around how Incident works :P

caird coinheringaahing

90% sure the Incident interpreter just emails ais, asks him what it means, then outputs his response

Peilonrayz

10:32 PM

@RedwolfPrograms But at least you don't need like 10k characters for hello world...

hyper-neutrino

TBH getting rep (which I know isn't and shouldn't be the primary motive, at least for most people) on CG is probably comparatively easy relative to most sites, at least IMHO

since we have the concept of "winning" but at the end of the day we value creativity and having fun, and there is no "correct" or "best" answer other than the scoring criteria

Redwolf Programs

For most of sites I agree. Some like worldbuilding seem to be about as easy.

caird coinheringaahing

SO seems to be pretty easy to get rep, so long as you farm it

hyper-neutrino

so unlike Q+A sites where once a solid canonical answer is upvoted and accepted it's hard to find more to add, here even if someone already found the one-byte built-in in jelly, you can still answer in like python, you can add a brainfuck answer, you can even use like minecraft :P

caird coinheringaahing

(aka post 40 answers a day and get 1 upvote on some to cap)

hyper-neutrino

10:35 PM

...40?

wait am I missing something? did they nerf the answer rep gain on SO?

caird coinheringaahing

Typo :P

hyper-neutrino

lol :P

Redwolf Programs

Opinions on me making a TIO clone?

Peilonrayz

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah SO is a grind... D: At least you can normally just spend an hour rep capping

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms TIO is all open source, so you could make a literal clone

Redwolf Programs

10:37 PM

Yeah, I'd probably write a custom one myself though :p

At least for the front end part of it

Maybe something like Risky's interpreter, with a light/dark theme toggle

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino I'm curious now, has someone ever done a Minecraft answer?!

Redwolf Programs

It happens, yeah

caird coinheringaahing

@Peilonrayz Yep, multiple times

We also had a user who would post answers in Operation Flashpoint's scripting language

Redwolf Programs

We have answers in Notepad++ :p

caird coinheringaahing

We don;t yet have a "Tips for golfing in Minecraft" post, which seems to be a metric for popularity/usage :P

hyper-neutrino

10:40 PM

i mean, we've had people implement tetris in conway's game of life lmao

Peilonrayz

Oh, the commands. I guessing I'm too used to old school MC with redstone and such

Redwolf Programs

There are redstone based answers too

hyper-neutrino

i think that happens too but it's less common

Redwolf Programs

I was halfway through making a TC computer with redstone when I lost my SSD (and laptop with it :p)

hyper-neutrino

ouch

Redwolf Programs

10:42 PM

It turns out when you can't get the case of your laptop open to fix it, "use more force" isn't the right answer

Plus my new one won't be here for like a month lol

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Farming upvotes by posting tens of answers is a noob way. The pro way is to post one good challenge and one good answer on a single day :P

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Useful features for a TIO-like site (new ones being more useful)?

I'm thinking I'll have a voting-based system for adding new languages and versions, and I might try to figure out a system that optionally guarantees certain conditions so it can be used for fastest code

Bubbler

Mostly what you'd put on your own online interpreter (and the things TIO already have), I guess

Unrelated String

i feel like the useful tio feature i haven't particularly noticed in newer online interpreters is automatically running the code and caching the output
(ofc output caching wouldn't be expected for client-side computation, and automatically running could be dangerous for client-side computation)

Redwolf Programs

Output caching is definitely something I'll do, that saves work on the server side as well

Bubbler

10:57 PM

Making a reference machine for fastest code is great but I guess it'll be pretty hard (e.g. a Rust answer may need a Cargo configuration and importing 3rd party libs, which means you basically need to allow a multi-file project)

user

Also, maybe a way of logging in and storing programs? This may also help with shorter links (e.g. tio.run/user/foobar instead of tio.run/#blah/asifphewuf786t32gryhuqjafwi8ue). Scastie does this

Redwolf Programs

@user I think I'll add that as well

user

Also something to execute everything in constant time for brute force answers :P

Redwolf Programs

Maybe a tool for running KotHs that involve communication between languages, although that could run into the same issue with libraries and stuff

I guess I'll start with a simple interpreter, then add on features like that as I go

@pxeger What did you end up naming your interpreter? I liked RTO (Run This Online), but I don't remember if you'd taken that (or something similar) already.

user

@RedwolfPrograms That sounds a bit complicated, and would probably be better left to the OP

Courtesy of thesaurus.com: Try It Online -> Pop Chemistry Operative

I don't even know how it and chemistry/allure/magnetism are synonyms, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh nvm it's slang

Redwolf Programs

11:03 PM

user: Try it online.
lyxal: Try it online.
Razetime: Try it online.
caird: You all sound like robots, try spicing it up a bit.
Redwolf: TRY IT ONLINE MOTHERF*****S

caird coinheringaahing

This is the correct name

user

tio.motherfu⊂kers does roll off the tongue quite nicely :P

lyxal

@user Wait TIO doesn't stand for Tickling in Ohio? \s

user

Ohio isn't important enough to merit a capital letter in an acronym /s

Bubbler

What is the difference between \s and /s?

user

11:05 PM

One's cursed regex, the other is sarcasm :P

Redwolf Programs

\s is whitespace, /s is sarcasm

ninja'd

Bubbler

So lyxal is cursed

user

Always has been

(just joking lyxal)

lyxal

Joking Lyxal?

rak1507

insert JoKing joke here

user

11:07 PM

@Peilonrayz Try Scala, since no one uses it here, you'll never be outgolfed! :P

lyxal

@user Is that some sort of fanfic ship?

user

Gah, punctuation

caird coinheringaahing

Aussie ship :P

user

Add in A username too, the more the merrier :P

Ignore it when I mention Scala, I need to mention it twice a week to avoid exploding

Bubbler

I just realized that

Damn autoscroll

user

11:10 PM

@user It's a condition very similar to Linux User Syndrome

lyxal

@user I thought it was more similar to updog.

rak1507

Scala User Syndrome? Or SUS for short?

Redwolf Programs

:o

That's pretty sus

Bubbler

(actually Scala is on my wishlist, but it's been pending for half a year now)

user

@rak1507 I'm afraid you too have caught the amogus syndrome. Unfortunately, there is no cure. Prepare to be ejected.

lyxal

11:18 PM

@RedwolfPrograms how goes your new language ranking system?

Redwolf Programs

It doesn't, until I get my new laptop

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms sad.

@user . 　。　　　　•　　ﾟ　　。　　.　　　.　　　　　.　　　　　。　　。　. 　.　　。　 ඞ 。　 . • . Rak1507 was ejected. . . 　。　. 　　　。　　　　　　ﾟ　　　.　　　　　. ,　　　　.　 .　　 .

rak1507

@lyxal lol

Bubbler

TIL Unicode has a symbol for that

Redwolf Programs

it's not an amogus

user

11:21 PM

It's not from the game

Ninja'd

rak1507

a few people have said ⍝ (the apl comment symbol) looks like it too

user

@lyxal rak1507 was not the impostor

Redwolf Programs

Unicode doesn't include copyrighted/trademarked stuff, or things from a specific company

user

@rak1507 Amogus Programming Language. Very sus

caird coinheringaahing

The Windows key is in Unicode, so is the Apple 4 square thing

Redwolf Programs

11:22 PM

No it isn't

They might be in the PUAs on those OSes, but they are not in Unicode

user

@RedwolfPrograms Then explain 🍎

:P

@cairdcoinheringaahing Does it work on Linux too?

lyxal

68

Q: Is there a unicode character for the Windows key?

I'm trying to communicate over text the Windows keyboard shortcuts. For the ones that use the Windows key, I don't want to type "Windows key +" each time. Is there a unicode character for the Windows key?

unicode

The answer is Yesn't

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms So the square is (U+2318), but not because its the apple character

user

Why is it called a square?

caird coinheringaahing

Its called a looped square

user

11:25 PM

But why a looped square?

Redwolf Programs

It's not a looped triangle

lyxal

Because there's a square in the middle

user

It's not a square either

Redwolf Programs

Draw it. You draw it like a square but loop the corners.

user

@lyxal Ok that makes sense

lyxal

11:26 PM

@user you're not a square yet I associate you with squares

user

???

lyxal

And 9 isn't shaped like a square yet we call it a "square" number

user

Is that an insult or a meme or ...?

lyxal

@user your pfp is literally a square

user

Literally everyone's pfp is a square

4

Redwolf Programs

11:27 PM

But yours is especially squarey

hyper-neutrino

technically, but unrelatedstring's is one i'd consider circular

user

Oh you mean the inner square, yeah

caird coinheringaahing

I think youll find that mine is non-euclidean

hyper-neutrino

even though the image is technically a square image, but ^^^^

lyxal

@user eh you might wanna get your facts right.

There isn't a user called literally everyone

Smh

user

11:27 PM

>:(

rak1507

my profile picture is simply a square-based representation of a higher dimensional object that your mortal minds are too puny to properly comprehend

lyxal

@user :-)

Redwolf Programs

Aw, there really isn't a user named literally everything :(

rak1507

quick someone make it

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms yeah I checked before making the joke silly

user

11:28 PM

@rak1507 Nah, it's just that it's a png. Obviously you were too ignorant to make a .ndpng image :P

rak1507

@user don't expose me like that :P

hyper-neutrino

@Literallyeveryone refreshed profile, you're welcome

user

Unfortunately, my sock doesn't have 20 rep on Artificial Intelligence SE, so it can't talk here :(

caird coinheringaahing

That shouldn't affect it

Literally everyone

@lyxal There is now

hyper-neutrino

11:33 PM

your chat permissions are based on your chat parent

... or not

user

@Literallyeveryone Weird, it didn't let me do that before

hyper-neutrino

all I know is that I lose my diamond if I change my chat parent

user

Just temporarily, right?

hyper-neutrino

well if I change it back I get it back

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino what if you change your chat child instead?

Redwolf Programs

11:38 PM

@lyxal You can pick your nose, and you can pick your child's nose, but you can't pick your child

3

user

I'd say these are words of wisdom, but ~~kidnapping~~ ~~genetic modification~~ adoption is an option

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms are you speaking from experience here?

hyper-neutrino

you could say it is an adoption

user

ಠ_ಠ

Redwolf Programs

@user Ah yes, the three stages of life. Adoption, kidnapping, genetic modification.

user

11:40 PM

Well it all starts with genetic modification

Then someone kidnaps a GMO baby and adopts it

The baby then gains superpowers and razes the planet

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms What are you, an X-Man?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing no, he's a red wolf

Idiot.

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Redwolf could genuinely be the superhero name of the new X-Person :P

Catija

@RedwolfPrograms I always heard "you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friend's nose"

lyxal

@Catija you can if you're daring enough

Redwolf Programs

11:47 PM

I know, I'm changing it up for the joke :p

Catija

Ah.

user

Here's an unrelated meme

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Depends on how good friends you are :P

Catija

I'm clearly not very good friends with anyone.

hyper-neutrino

You can pick your friend's nose but then the first part about picking your friends will become... more limited.

user

11:48 PM

I just lost a friend

Obviously, they weren't a real friend :P

Catija

Though, to be fair, it's COVID and most of the people I know, I've never met in person.

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino instructions unclear, tried to do it with a noseless friend

Didn't work

0/10

user

Don't tell me his name's Tom

Bubbler

Any feedback? (especially the polylink one and the sequence transform one)

Redwolf Programs

@user 10/10 reference

lyxal

11:51 PM

@user no, his name is Joe

user

@lyxal It was a joke about Voldemort

lyxal

@user and mine was a joe mama joke

user

My mama's a she, not a he, though

You said "his name." smh get your pronouns right

lyxal

@user That's a strange pronoun

"she, not a he, though"

caird coinheringaahing

*SE CoC concerns intensify*

lyxal

11:53 PM

Oddly specific

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well neither of us are SE employees so it's all good as long as no one crosses any boundaries

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