@user more like really dumb

Google Docs has obviously never had a conversation here :p

@user I mean, if I'm inferring the contents of the document correctly, the fact that you're using your friends as poison taste-testers probably means that you will have no friends pretty soon :P

No, I'm only using 2 of them as taste-testers, so if n>2, I'll have one or more friends :P

@lyxal Wait, y'all aren't bots? :P

I just epicly pranked myself by switching the inks of a black and blue pen. I totally owned myself

@user I mean, I don't think so

@lyxal Jump into a time machine and give your past self a black and blue eye :P

Y'know, if you keep sticking your tongue out like that, it might get stolen

@lyxal :|

I thought we had a deal!

@user we do

But someone else might steal it

oic, thanks for the warning

Np

I can only speak for myself, not the rest of the organisation

⍠

@user I've actually been thinking: If my future self isn't really the same person as me, should I just enjoy myself right now and say "screw that guy, imma just look for short-term happiness"? Because if I look out for my future self, then I should give the same treatment to all people, and there's no way I'm doing that

@user I think there's a few fallacies in here

Nice, so I can continue to be a jerk to other people and nice to future me? :P

Well, you can, of course, which doesn't mean you should

What are the fallacies, though? I was joking before, but I'd really like to know

Maybe not logical fallacies so much as "unsupported assertions."

"I should give the same treatment to all people" being one of them

@user you were never JoKing

You were always user

And Original Original Original VI once

I'd say your future self is not exactly the same person as you, but you're pretty closely related

@DLosc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There isn't any reason to discriminate and treat your future self differently, so why not treat that person and everyone else the same?

the concept of me as a person is an not a point, but an area of n-dimensional space. future mes descended from present me are still within that space and are therefore still me

@DLosc That still doesn't matter IMO. I'm closely related to my parents, but do I give them the same treatment as me? No (okay, I kinda do, but only because I'm human)

Humans are better off when we cooperate, at least with the humans who are close to us

And I'd say we're even better off when we cooperate with people who are also not close to us

Not much point in there being unity within communities if those communities hate each other

Agreed. But then there's also a limit to our capabilities. Practically speaking, I can't take care of everybody in the world to the same degree that I can take care of myself and those close to me.

@JoKing But that area moves around and its shape changes, right?

Which is not an argument in favor of isolationism, more an argument in favor of "bloom where you're planted"

@DLosc Of course, but how do you choose how far you go to take care of people and how you distribute your time/money/whatever in that circle?

@user Therein lies the improvisational drama of ethics. :)

It'd be nice if everyone contributed a little bit to the entire world. That way, even though you're making an infinitesimally small impact, everyone's work combined could help everyone, including those who can't help themselves

@user sure, but it's big enough to encompass a lot of possibilities. This area also includes my values, so if a me changes enough that the area is drastically different (e.g. some head injury that changes my personality), then they may no longer be me

But defining that "drastically different" is hard :(

i'll know it when i be it

100-year old you will probably be very different from 10-year old you, but 10-year old you will obviously prepare for the older version

fuck no, ten year old me was not sapient

@JoKing As good a definition as any :P

@user Yep

Ooh, I've seen that one before

> An ancient Buddhist text titled in Sanskrit Mahāprajñāpāramitopadeśa, which was later translated into Classical Chinese (Da zhidu lun 大智度論), contains a similar philosophical puzzle. It takes the form of a body-swapping story. The story tells of a traveler who encountered two demons in the night. As one demon ripped off all parts of his body one by one, the other demon replaced them with those of a corpse. The traveler was left confused about who he was after the body-swapping.

did they translate it one word at a time?

@user The moral of the story: Don't go walking after dark :P

Not with that one friend who loves practical jokes, at least, because they might have their fun pulling limbs off people but you're the one who'll have to clean up their mess and replace those limbs :(

@JoKing Ten-year-old me was definitely sapient, thought he thought rather differently from current me.

At times, I've questioned whether ten-year old me was even conscious

Looking at ten-year-old me's code...I can confirm I most certainly was not

yep

function and(b1, b2) {
return b1 && b2;
}

Hopefully 24-year old me isn't going to look back and think the same of current me lol

You probably will

i'm going to hate my present self in 5 years because i already do now 😎

@RedwolfPrograms If this were Java, I'd say it was some high quality enterprise-level code that makes it far more clear what you're doing than some stupid operators (and who needs short-circuiting anyway?)

If y'all were saying 3 rather than 10, I might be on board with you. But I remember being 10. I was definitely me back then. Not in the same way as I am now, but very recognizably myself.

Yeah, same here. It's not as fun to make fun of yourself though.

Really? My personality changed dramatically between 11 and 13

@RedwolfPrograms my first project were all scratch projects, so I'm feeling lowkey scared to look at my code from then

brilliant

I didn't know about arrays

My solution?

eval("x_"+i)

@DLosc wdym? 10-year old you was very far ahead of his time

@RedwolfPrograms This is almost smart in a cursed sort of way

^

I was just getting started with Scratch then, and my only project was this animation-like thing where a shark sprite ate a hand mouse-drawn picture of my teacher ಠ_ಠ

Here's a nice visual representation of my own personality change over time

Why the dip around age 13?

Did lyxal have an emo phase?

Hmm, if lyxal becomes immortal, he can achieve infinite irony

@RedwolfPrograms nah, I just stopped being ironic for a bit

10/11 is when I discovered scratch, and those were good days

or was it 13/14

frick

Dang I've gotten my years confused

anyhow, that dip is when irony turned into cringe

Like creating a minecraft cookie clicker clone on scratch is somewhat irony

making scratch animations is somewhat cringe

i genuinely don't have any memories before the age of 10

I have some, but not many

I have no reference point to know which memories of mine were before the age of ten, but I have a fairly large number I think

yeah same

@JoKing O_O

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My query was like ten words long?

> select id as [Post Link], owneruserid from posts where ownerdisplayname is null

I broke sede lol

^ A rough graph of my personality

It was only like a year after I moved to another school that I realized that at my previous school, I wasn't the funny kid whose jokes everyone laughed at but the crazy kid everyone laughed at