The Nineteenth Byte

2:29 AM

@Razetime Indexing is @ (0-based). So ["Hello""World"]@1 gives you "World". Same thing for indexing into strings/numbers: "World"@1 gives you "o".

Indexing is cyclical, which means "abc"@5 == "abc"@2 == "abc"@-1 == "c". Unary @ gives the first element: @"abc" == "a".

There's an alternate form which uses function-call syntax: ("abc"1) gives "b". It's useful sometimes when there are precedence issues. @ is very high-precedence: x@i+1 parses as (x@i)+1, not x@(i+1). So instead of x@(i+1), you could write (xi+1) and save a byte.

Razetime

2:51 AM

greito

DLosc

I should copy all that and put it on the wiki somewhere, shouldn't I?

Razetime

yes, I don't remember reading about arrays anywhere

With your permission, I could turn the docs into a github pages site.

probably should be put in commands

DLosc

@Razetime Sounds reasonable. Do you think they would be more accessible that way? And would it require more steps when I update stuff?

Razetime

Github pages uses jekyll and markdown

you just define a layout and then add on pages however you like

basically you can just copy paste your markdown files there and it'd work

then more things can be added, like fuzzy search and other things

IT would be about the same for updates

DLosc

Hm, okay. One more step, but not too much.

Do you want to put something together and submit a pull request?

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3:13 AM

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Q: Reviving Language of the Month: Pick up where we left off, or start over?

Language of the Month was fun. Then it died. Now there's interest in bringing it back! I had assumed that we would just go back to the original nominations thread and pick the top-voted answer as LotM for September (which would be R, unless the voting changes significantly in the next few days). ...

Razetime

Sure, I'll make a simple gh-pages website with the existing docs.

DLosc

Thanks! :D

ATaco

I've been using Wiki.js for writing the Funky2 Docs, but that requires hosting a dedi.

Razetime

If you add a gh-pages branch, then you can merge my stuff into it.

ATaco

But, it is very pretty.

Razetime

3:14 AM

Wiki.js is really powerful

ATaco

Look at how pretty this is

Razetime

you think this will work well?

nevermind

github.com/pmarsceill/just-the-docs @DLosc this one look good?

jekyllthemes.io/theme/carte I think this one is what Pyth uses

DLosc

@Razetime Way fancier than what I have now. So yes. ;)

@ATaco That IS pretty!

ATaco

Hard part is writing all these pages ;-;

DLosc

Tell me about it. What you said before about docs is so true.

With Pip, I've got the basic docs in a state where I just have to add a line to a couple files whenever I add a new operator. But then, emphasis on "basic."

ATaco

3:26 AM

Would've been easier if I documented as I went. Thus is the crime of the lazy documenter.

DLosc

I bet most programmers are that way. Larry Wall says laziness is one of the programmer's main virtues, after all. :P

I don't hate writing documentation, it's just time-consuming. Which always leads to the question: Do I want to spend my time improving docs, or adding more features?

The features usually win.

ATaco

Writing docs usually leads me to writing new features.

Because it forces me to confront my design decisions.

DLosc

Haha

Is Funky 2 stable, in the sense that your changes are mostly additions? Or are you still making backward-compatibility-breaking changes?

@Razetime github.com/dloscutoff/pip/tree/gh-pages

Razetime

coolll

DLosc

I've got to sign off for the night. See ya!

ATaco

3:39 AM

@DLosc I'm avoiding breaking changes where possible, but I can't promise non-best-practice methods will remain stable.

Razetime

see ya

ATaco

Also Ciao

u-ndefined

4:25 AM

how would one score this visual language?

ATaco

4:58 AM

@u-ndefined Can you save the programs? If so, use the length of the saved file.

John Dvorak

@ATaco That scoring system would kill redstone circuits

ATaco

That's because we have an accepted community standard for redstone circuits.

When in doubt; filesize.

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Q: What is the underlying undirected graph of this directed graph?

I am trying to figure out how to find the underlying undirected graph of this directed graph. I have got a solution. I couldn't understand why 'D' node doesn't have loop in the solution. Also why 'E' node has a loop? Could you please help me understand the whole underlying undirected graph of t...

graph-theory

u-ndefined

5:52 AM

@ATaco I think counting the number of script blocks and wires would be better (I'm not sure if I'm able to see the filesize since the visual language is on mobile)

ATaco

6:15 AM

Definitely could be a valid alternative. So long as there are less than 256 Blocks ⋃ Wires

HighlyRadioactive

6:31 AM

Working on a Space Cleaner 1+ solution

It will be my first self-answer

ATaco

Aint nothin wrong with self-answers

HighlyRadioactive

@ATaco But there's difficulity

ATaco

Hmm?

HighlyRadioactive

I doubt I can answer (let alone a golfed one) the majority of my challenges like this one

ATaco

What language is this?

HighlyRadioactive

6:37 AM

@ATaco very funny

2 days ago, by HighlyRadioactive

@ATaco You don't know 1+?

ATaco

Oh, lmao my b

If you've no way to handle strings; then string based challenges are just out of reach.

As for golfing; you just need to have an answer that's as good as you can do, compete across language classes, not every language.

HighlyRadioactive

@ATaco Not really. Think of the brainfuck solutions everywhere...

ATaco

Brainfuck is a golden goose.

But even it's programs get prohibitively long.

HighlyRadioactive

I once said 1+ is a very easy language, easier than BF

it is obviously not when I try to use it in actual challenges

(I mean: those non-catalog ones)

ATaco

Ease of use is a strange thing.

Razetime

6:43 AM

@DLosc Here's the pip docs site I pieces together: razetime.github.io/pip

ATaco

HQ9+ is without a doubt exceptionally easy to use.

However; it is so restricted in scope, it is impossible to use for most challenges.

HighlyRadioactive

@ATaco You spelled it wrong.

@ATaco Which implies it is impossible to use. Impossible is harder than hard.

ATaco

It is still easy to use.

It's just not easy to use... to solve X challenge

A toy truck is easy to use; yet when trying to use it like a screwdriver; it suddenly becomes much harder to use it.

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HighlyRadioactive

Ok you won

ATaco

1+ is easy to use.

HighlyRadioactive

6:46 AM

how

I challenge you to solve C4_4 Reflection! in it

ATaco

I maintain; Easy to use. Just not so easy to use for certain tasks.

I wonder if it's even turing complete.

HighlyRadioactive

@ATaco Did you even see the esolangs page?

ATaco

I did.

Ah; Boolfuck is implementable.

HighlyRadioactive

7:21 AM

Hi I'm back

Distracted by some games sorry

Razetime

welcome back

HighlyRadioactive

lololol

HighlyRadioactive

8:15 AM

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Q: What is the underlying undirected graph of this directed graph?

I am trying to figure out how to find the underlying undirected graph of this directed graph. I have got a solution. I couldn't understand why 'D' node doesn't have loop in the solution. Also why 'E' node has a loop? Could you please help me understand the whole underlying undirected graph of t...

graph-theory

Can we please be a little bit more friendly?

Lead them to CS

Not leave a couple of downvotes for no reason

Adám

@HighlyRadioactive Not Maths?

John Dvorak

Downvotes are not unfriendly, and they are justified.

I'm not sure CS would appreciate it either, since it's, IIUC, about an error in an unspecified textbook

petStorm

8:31 AM

@HighlyRadioactive I have a solution to this problem:

You do the following:

- First go to the menu, click on it, go to options -> downvote -> add downvote -> choose down arrow

- You do the same thing with any new challenge.

@HighlyRadioactive And I do not see an issue with a little bit of hostility to start with, considering it's about one tiny mistake. My point is that it gets escalated to a point where it is justifiable.

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10:00 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

All Potential Keys That'll Fit The Lock codegolfnumberinteger Introduction: You're a key maker, and want to access something from a safe that has a lock. Unfortunately, the key to that lock is lost, so you'll have to make a new one. You have access to a bunch of blank keys, to which you can add n...

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11:53 AM

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Q: Using Context-Free Grammar To Parse Options Spread Order Strings?

I need to create a tool that reads in an options spread order in string format and spits it out in human readable format. Examples: Input: BUY +6 VERTICAL LUV 100 (Weeklys) 28 AUG 20 37.5/36.5 PUT @.49 LMT Output: VERTICAL BUY +6 LUV 28 AUG 20 (Weeklys) 37.5 PUT SELL -6 LUV 28 AUG 20 (Weeklys) 3...

parsing repeated-transformation grammars

HighlyRadioactive

1:45 PM

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Q: Apple Watch Series 4

https://www.watchcookie.com/blog/apple-watch-series-4-review series 4 vs series 5 apple watch what happened to apple watch series 4 what happened to the apple watch series 4 Apple Watch Series 4

math ascii-art code-challenge graphical-output card-games

Most off-topic question ever!!

what happened to OP what happened to OP what happened to OP what happened to OP what happened to OP

Neil

yeah I flagged it as spam and Community processed it (I don't know whether my gold badge gives me a flag hammer or I just got lucky)

Adám

@HighlyRadioactive Not a question, though, just spam.

Arnauld

2:58 PM

Heck. The font size of the section headers has just been significantly increased. :-/

Not that I really dislike that, actually, but it's going to put headers with many crossed out scores on 2 lines.

(Also I find it weird that level-1 headers are now bigger than the question title...)

Luis Mendo

3:44 PM

I do dislike that :-( I'll get used, I guess

Is this change documented anywhere?

There's also a lot more inter-line spacing

Also in StackOverflow

So it must be general

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Q: New post formatting

Update, this is now live We’re doing a bit of refactoring on our post formatting. Currently, we apply a single class with both layout and styling called .post-text. Our first goal is to separate layout from our text styles. Simple enough! However, our current post styling has a few missing spots ...

discussion status-completed featured design

Ugh. How ugly

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caird coinheringaahing

5:19 PM

@Arnauld Looks like code blocks also have more spacing between lines as well

John Dvorak

Yup!

New Main Posts

8:15 PM

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Q: Golf a Golfing Language

Design a language and golf its interpreter so that it solves the following programming challenges in as few bytes as possible: Hello World cat Fizz Buzz List the first \$n\$ primes Fibonacci Sequence Sort a numerical list Balanced parentheses/brackets/braces test Rule 110 (as a proof of Turing c...

code-golf language-design

Anush

8:42 PM

Hello!

Consider a geometric random variable X with parameters n and 1/2? If X=2, say, then there is some value of n that makes that most likely.

CMC Compute that value of n

Take a value of X as the input

Or just 2 to warm up :)

By geometric distribution I mean the second definition from en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_distribution

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11:44 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The fastest code to find a subset-sum Given k sorted integers from low to high, output n permutations of those integers with sum as close as possible to m but not exceeding m. The output needs to be sorted from highest to lowest sum. Input k integers, n, m - as described above. All the k integers...

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