The Nineteenth Byte

DJMcMayhem

3:06 PM

@El'endiaStarman You do realize you have three votes, right? :P

Erik the Outgolfer

but the votes are ordered

Mr. Xcoder

It's a really tough decision this year. We have three amazing nominees :-)

El'endia Starman

@DJMcMayhem Oh, that's true. Still, like Erik said, I have to order those votes...

Poke

too bad neil got removed

xd

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Q: Three polyglots, two period-two quines, and one code-golf challenge

Produce a program A such that running it in language A produces Program B, and running program A in language B produces program C. Program B, when run in language B produces Program A, and running program B in language A produces program C. Program C, when run in language A or language B, print...

Pavel

3:28 PM

For me, it's easy. Mego, then Dj, then Phi.

Anonymous

Out of respect to the other candidates, I'm not going to say what my #2 and #3 choices are

Poke

@Mego who is your #1

moonheart08

Would there be a good place to ask about procedural generation? (StackOverflow won't let me chat in it's chatrooms to ask ):)

Mr. Xcoder

@Poke ಠ_ಠ Try to guess

Anonymous

@Poke Myself, naturally :P

Poke

3:30 PM

hey man, maybe you were throwing a curveball

who am i to make such an assumption

Anonymous

If I wasn't willing to vote for myself as #1, I wouldn't have nominated myself

Poke

s/you were/he was/

Erik the Outgolfer

eh, looks like you're DJ's #1 too...unless that's #2 :P

PhiNotPi

Proposal: We take all 3 candidates.

El'endia Starman

IIRC I voted for other candidates (and not myself) in every election I've been in.

Erik the Outgolfer

3:36 PM

like, #1?

Pavel

@El'endiaStarman And won at one point anyway. Nice.

El'endia Starman

Yeah. Kinda like "If I'm not the best person for the job, then I think these others are.".

@Pavel Yeah well, that one was a shoo-in, basically. Four pro-tem mods that everyone liked in an election for four mod positions.

I've also run for mod at PPCG, but that wasn't an entirely serious effort. Come to think of it, those are the only elections I've been a candidate in. I nominated myself for pro-tem on Mythology, but didn't get picked.

Pavel

CMC: SEDE query to sort SE users by how many sites they have diamonds on.

Erik the Outgolfer

do you intend to become another ChrisF? :P

Pavel

...
who?

Erik the Outgolfer

3:42 PM

him

Anonymous

Pre-election survey (thanks Google Forms for actually supporting this kind of voting)

Erik the Outgolfer

eh, but you shouldn't be voting in there, or anybody else for that matter, because the penguin may use the data for more targeted shameless self-advertising :P

Mr. Xcoder

@Mego Before voting – When will you reveal the results of the survey?

Anonymous

Obviously this survey is not official in any capacity

user202729

But I can put multiple choices in the same columns...

Mr. Xcoder

3:44 PM

^

Hosch250

@Mego No can vote. No Google account.

Anonymous

@user202729 Fixed

Pavel

Also, we can't see results.

PhiNotPi

@Mego Time to pull out my 7 google accounts.

Anonymous

@Mr.Xcoder At some point during the nomination period. Probably when it's no longer relevant because there's a 4th nomination :P

user202729

3:45 PM

... IIRC I only have 5.

Anonymous

@Hosch250 Sorry. There's not a good way to prevent duplicate votes other than requiring a Google account

Pavel

> Golpher Supreme – Doorknob♦ 2 hours ago

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Only 4? Pfff, Rory Alsop has 7 diamonds :P

Anonymous

@Pavel That's intentional - you can't see results in the real election until it's over, either

user202729

(fake quote?)

Erik the Outgolfer

3:45 PM

50 secs ago, by PhiNotPi

@Mego Time to pull out my 7 google accounts.

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi Please don't :(

user202729

Grace Note has >100 diamonds.

caird coinheringaahing

Grace Note is a CM, not a mod. They all have ~170 diamonds :P

Anonymous

@user202729 SE employees don't count because they have diamonds everywhere :P

user202729

(yes I know)

Pavel

3:46 PM

Grace Note OP, please nerf

Hosch250

@PhiNotPi Please vote for me: Phi, Mego, DJ.

Mr. Xcoder

Am I the only sane person that only has 2 Google accounts? :P

Pavel

I have 1

caird coinheringaahing

I have 3 5 :P Yeah, I see your point

PhiNotPi

@Hosch250 sure.

user202729

3:47 PM

2 mins ago, by user202729

... IIRC I only have 5.

Anonymous

I have 3 that I know of

Anonymous

Casual-use account, professional-use account, and Petri dish account

HyperNeutrino

I have 4, one of which might not be allowed to get a new account because it was used and deleted. Never tried it out though.

El'endia Starman

I....only have one Google account. That I know of.

Mr. Xcoder

That's even saner :P

HyperNeutrino

3:49 PM

I used to have a bot/alt account (this account) that had just enough rep to chat :P

Erik the Outgolfer

I have one account [AFAIK]

caird coinheringaahing

I have: Normal account, GitHub email account, spam account, second spam account and one I have no idea why I have it

Anonymous

Oh right, I have 4 accounts. I forgot about DataBot (now Lambda)

Pavel

@Mego I need to get myself a professional-use account, because my gmail is kinda silly. I've been using my hotmail instead.

Poke

i only have like 1 or 2 google accounts but i have thousands of aim accounts

/tear

Mr. Xcoder

3:50 PM

I have my main account and the one I give to professors and use when I register at contests that require an email account.

Fatalize

I have one for my phone and one for google scholar

Pavel

@Poke Is aim like an old person thing?

Poke

@Pavel check yourself, bud ;)

El'endia Starman

Oh wait, I actually have two or three more Gmail accounts, I think. I just don't use them.

AdmBorkBork

@Pavel Hey, I resemble that remark.

Anonymous

3:52 PM

@Pavel If by "old person" you mean "the de facto method of internet communication 10 years ago", then yes

Poke

i was online when aim died

saddest day ever

it was like 2:30 in the morning or something iirc

Mr. Xcoder

So, what is "aim"?

caird coinheringaahing

10 years is old to us. It's more than half my lifetime

Pavel

@Mego Ok, there is no way AIM was around in 2008.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing s/less/more/

Poke

3:53 PM

@Pavel are you kidding with me

Pavel

I'd have heard of it

Poke

aim came out in '97

Pavel

._.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder My memory is failing, I'm old :P

Anonymous

AIM usage didn't start to decline until 2011

Poke

3:54 PM

i'll always remember by favorite exploitable piece of software

/sigh

Anonymous

In 2006, AIM had 52% of the instant messaging market share

Mr. Xcoder

So this? Never heard of it

Poke

yeah that

oh god the uri scheme

caird coinheringaahing

Q: Who had a MySpace account?

user202729

I never heard of it too.

Mr. Xcoder

3:56 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I had one, but I forgot my password looong ago and didn't bother to click "Forgot Your Password" :P

Poke

i had a myspace once

Pavel

@Mego I was a little young for instant messaging in 2006, but by 2010 I and most people I knew had a Skype.

Poke

he's a good one

Mr. Xcoder

;-; I still have Skype

Poke

anyone ever use xfire?

:D?

caird coinheringaahing

3:57 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Weird :P I'm older than you (IIRC) but only heard of myspace about 5 years ago :P

Mr. Xcoder

Yes I can confirm, I think you are a bit older than me

caird coinheringaahing

By then, I couldn't be bothered to create an account :P

Anonymous

@Pavel Skype, SMS, and Facebook started to take over the market in 2012

user202729

@Mr.Xcoder A lot IIRC.

Anonymous

But most people use(d) Skype for video/voice chat, not text chat

Poke

3:58 PM

i used skype for voip

Erik the Outgolfer

skype is alive and well...?

Poke

before i switched to mumble

Mr. Xcoder

@user202729 No I don't think so. About 1 year or 2?

Poke

skype for messaging was awful

Erik the Outgolfer

just acquired by Microsoft

Poke

3:58 PM

and still is

Pavel

I used Skype for text messaging right up until we got Discord.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder What grade are you in school?

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer Alive, yes. Well, that's a different story. I used partial past tense there to mean that Skype is and was primarily used for voice and video chat.

user202729

@cairdcoinheringaahing Mr.Xcoder is 14 IIRC. See the profile page.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing 8th Grade, 14 and a half yo.

caird coinheringaahing

4:00 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, I'm 15 and a half :P

user202729

... my memory was wrong.

Hosch250

@Mr.Xcoder Ah, back when half years were worth calling out :)

Pavel

One of these days I should set up a Facebook account.

Hosch250

@Pavel Don't bother. Only trolls use it nowadays.

Poke

I registered my google account when gmail was in beta

yikes

Anonymous

4:01 PM

@Pavel Nah, Facebook is a cesspool

Anonymous

@Hosch250 Trolls and old people :P

Pavel

@Mego And yet, everyone else seems to be using it

AdmBorkBork

@Hosch250 Counting like ya do for a baby, I'm 434 months old.

Hosch250

@Pavel Very few people are not trolls :)

Anonymous

@Pavel You must underestimate how many trolls and old people are around

Pavel

4:02 PM

Wait, so what are people using these days?

Hosch250

@AdmBorkBork 270 here.

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel SnapChat or Instagram

Hosch250

@Pavel Real people talk face-to-face.

PhiNotPi

There's no good content on facebook, I just use it as a glorified messaging service for people I have no better way to communicate with.

Hosch250

Or on SE chat.

Anonymous

4:03 PM

@Pavel SnapChat, Instagram, WhatsApp, iMessage, Facebook Messenger, Discord

PhiNotPi

I'm a fan of GroupMe

caird coinheringaahing

WhatsApp? No-one in my year uses WhatsApp :P

@AdmBorkBork I'm ashamed to say I had to use a calculator to divide that by 12 :/

Pavel

WhatsApp isn't a social media thing, It's like a drop-in for SMS.

Anonymous

Lots of international people use WhatsApp

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's not really social media, it's more like SE chat

AdmBorkBork

4:04 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing I used a calculator to come up with it, so /shrug

Mr. Xcoder

Discord, SE chat, WhatsApp are my top 3 "social" media.

Pavel

^, but s/WhatsApp/Steam

Hosch250

SE chat is my one-and-only. I log into Twitter about 1 every 2-4 months and post something maybe once a year.

Mr. Xcoder

Also snap sometimes but I'm not a fan of it

Anonymous

Discord, SE chat, and iMessage

caird coinheringaahing

4:06 PM

Evil Apples, Facebook Messenger and SE chat

Pavel

I use Twitter daily, but I only follow news organizations and other companies, and don't tweet. I just use it for news and announcments.

PhiNotPi

@Mego I think you should release those votes sooner rather than later... after all you'll really only get the votes of those who are in chat right now.

label a -- goto a

I use Discord and a one national site. Lately I started to watch this chat, never been here for longer :p

I also use Messenger but only to contact my brother

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi Since it's stalled at 6 votes, I probably will

label a -- goto a

Never FB

Anonymous

4:07 PM

I just need to remember how to use that election program

AdmBorkBork

FaceBook seems to be devolving more and more into ads and clickbait, sprinkled here or there with posts from friends. It's getting frustrating to use.

El'endia Starman

I haven't used much of Facebook other than Messenger for quite a while now, actually.

moonheart08

Stop using it then? :P

AdmBorkBork

I have a group setup with friends that we use for coordinating get-togethers, else I probably would stop using it.

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork That sounds like a "Switch to Discord" kind of problem.

AdmBorkBork

4:11 PM

Discord does calendaring?

label a -- goto a

I dislike Facebook myself. My brother uses it and that's the only reason I've got Messenger on my phone

Even if both of us have Discord

Anonymous

Survey results

caird coinheringaahing

So you and DJ would win if that was the actual election? Sounds good to me

PhiNotPi

RIP

Mr. Xcoder

A survey to which 6 people responded is not too relevant nonetheless

caird coinheringaahing

4:17 PM

Sorry if that sounded harsh Phi :/

Anonymous

Yeah, 6 people is a really small survey pool - the last election got 512 votes

PhiNotPi

> 512

user202729

Yes, 2⁹.

Mr. Xcoder

CMP: Will you vote this year?

user202729

(is it true that only programmers memorize powers of 2?)

Mr. Xcoder

4:19 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Yes.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Yes

El'endia Starman

@user202729 I knew a math guy that memorized 2^100.

Mr. Xcoder

@user202729 Definitely not true

Anonymous

Interestingly, if the previous election was run with 6 seats, Phi and Digital Trauma would be mods

El'endia Starman

Also, I'll bet you that tons of people have the first 10 powers of 2 memorized thanks to the 2048 game.

Anonymous

4:20 PM

@El'endiaStarman Guilty as charged

user202729

2^100 or 101 first powers of 2?

Mr. Xcoder

Oh no I played that game for over a year, don't remind me of it!

label a -- goto a

btw when I was looking at election posts, I have read "I'm not PhiPi" .-.

El'endia Starman

@user202729 Like, 2**100. I think he also had 2**50 memorized, but not 2**75.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman It's much less impressive if there are gaps :P

2

user202729

4:23 PM

I have 2^63 memorized, but not 2^35~2^62.

Agree, star.

El'endia Starman

@Mego Oh, for sure. Still, memorizing 31 digits that are meaningless in everyday use is no small feat (says the guy who's memorized over 100 digits of pi...).

Mr. Xcoder

Is my memory very bad or Sp3000 used to be the 3rd or 4th user in the rep hierarchy?

user202729

Like, "the largest signed long long int value is 9223372036854775807"

Anonymous

@Mr.Xcoder I believe you're right. Sp hasn't been very active lately from what I've seen

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder SP is one of the old users. He's gone the way of Geobits.

Anonymous

4:24 PM

@user202729 That's actually useful for us programmers, though

user202729

(I used to memorize 100 digits of pi. Not too much now.

totallyhuman

there hasn't been a single challenge today ;-;

caird coinheringaahing

Sp hasn't posted since April '17

PhiNotPi

I've memorized phi exactly.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi But not pi?

caird coinheringaahing

4:25 PM

Not pi?

Ninja'd :/

user202729

1.618033989? I may be wrong...

totallyhuman

hah

user202729

@user202729 Ok, I'm correct.

totallyhuman

hmm did somebody remove a mod nomination? i recall 4 nominations but there are only 3 now

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi Memorizing algebraic numbers exactly is easy though :P

Mr. Xcoder

4:26 PM

This discussion reminded me of my first few interactions with PPCG. Back when Sp3000 was 3rd, and Martin was above Dennis... And Wheat Wizard had less than 5k... flashbacks

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman Christopher and the joke nomination were both removed

user202729

Which joke nomination?

PhiNotPi

Pretty sure I was in the top 10 at some point.

Mr. Xcoder

Neil's.

@PhiNotPi About ~3 years ago perhaps?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Oh god. Don't remind me of those times. I had about 4 socks then :/

PhiNotPi

4:28 PM

@Mr.Xcoder I kinda miss Sp3000.

Anonymous

@user202729 The less said about it, the better IMO

Mr. Xcoder

He is still somewhat active in chat (but not here)

totallyhuman

...wait i think i lost my avatar's source svg :|

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing Your feet must have been very cold. I have at least 30 socks in my drawer.

caird coinheringaahing

Dogs only need 4 socks :P

totallyhuman

4:29 PM

30 individual socks or 30 pairs of socks?

Anonymous

@totallyhuman Individual

label a -- goto a

I started learning Jelly (ಠ_ಠ) Finally got the motivation

Mr. Xcoder

Proof that Phi is one of the old-ish users from PPCG: They don't have silver code-golf.

caird coinheringaahing

It's kinda sad reading the memes page and seeing how many of those dedicated users no longer frequent the site.

Jelly Hypertraining

Practice your Jelly :) Rules and stuff are here: golfingsucces...

If you ever need help :P

totallyhuman

they need access though

Mr. Xcoder

4:31 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Can you link me to the memes page again, pls?

caird coinheringaahing

RIP

label a -- goto a

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks, I've seen the chatroom, but I think I want to learn Jelly myself rn.

I'm more of self-learning type

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks!

caird coinheringaahing

TIL that deleted posts don;t onebox

totallyhuman

just look up memes on meta

no matter what happens, they can't be wiped off :P

caird coinheringaahing

4:32 PM

It's deleted. There aren't really any links

totallyhuman

there are

Mr. Xcoder

Visiting that page reminded me of undergroundmonorail, Geobits, Alex, Mama Fun Roll, ... Oh boy

Anonymous

The memes post was deleted because users were taking it as a "how to be annoying" guide. Let's keep it dead.

Hosch250

@Mego Trying to decide if you are a centipede in disguise or if you just layered them.

@Mego :(

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman The long way is to visit this, then click through to the Mother Meta version, then find the revision when it got removed, then follow that. I just favourited it :P

Hosch250

4:34 PM

That kind of happens when memes are spammed too often.

totallyhuman

the memes got annoying because they weren't updated

anyways, pls let's not argue, all we're gonna get out of it is kicked

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Surely it's fine to reminisce. Just so long as we don't try to revive the memes, it should be ok right? (Besides we have new memes now :P)

Hosch250

CR still has the same old memes and the same old users, and everything. It's kind of stagnant, which is nice, but also sad because it means the site isn't healthy.

totallyhuman

PhiNotPi

@Mr.Xcoder Is it bad that I've basically stopped golfing?

Adám

4:40 PM

Informal APL learning session tonight at 18:30 UTC in https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/apl. See https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41299896 if you don't have 20 Stack Exchange rep points.

Tweeted by dyalogapl on January 24, 2018 at 1:31 PM

Anonymous

@PhiNotPi I tend to spend more time browsing meta and writing challenges than I do golfing

caird coinheringaahing

@PhiNotPi Bad for the site, yes. I've seen some of your answers (not necessarily code golf, but it still applies) and your challenges, and they're great. It's really sad that old users are drifting away from the site.

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing You guys aren't going to get rid of me that easily (though 2 years isn't exactly "old") :P

Hosch250

@Mego Just wait until you get a job.

caird coinheringaahing

He has a job IIRC

Mr. Xcoder

4:46 PM

He just got one IIRC :c

caird coinheringaahing

retracts mod vote for Mego

Anonymous

@Hosch250 I start my new job on the 12th :)

Hosch250

Oh, nice.

Oh, I was thinking of Mr. Xcoder.

DJMcMayhem

CMP: How long does a user need to be around for them to be an old user?

Erik the Outgolfer

oh not a code mentor anymore?

Anonymous

4:47 PM

@DJMcMayhem 2 years and 4 months

Mr. Xcoder

@Hosch250 Hmm, what do you mean?

Hosch250

Aren't you the 14yo?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem that's actually defined objectively, until they get off the "new users" page :P

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer That didn't really work out. The platform is kinda terrible.

Mr. Xcoder

@Hosch250 I am :)

Anonymous

4:48 PM

@Hosch250 No, I'm a bit older than that :P

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem I'd say its not account age, but account activity

Hosch250

@Mego Yeah, you are the 36yo :)

Mr. Xcoder

That's AdmBorkBork...

Anonymous

@Hosch250 Too far

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Oh?

Hosch250

4:48 PM

Maybe I need to go into memory care ;)

Anonymous

Hint: because of my current age in years, nobody likes me

AdmBorkBork

@Mego Huh. I was here before you, though it doesn't seem like it.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Mighty convenient how that worked out :P

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem It's almost like I picked that for a reason :P

Hosch250

@Mego That could be anywhere from 2 to 99+.

AdmBorkBork

4:49 PM

@Hosch250 Yeah, I'm the old fart in the room

DJMcMayhem

@Hosch250 23

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego I don;t like preschoolers, so I reckon you're 5?

El'endia Starman

@Hosch250 You mean nobody dislikes babies/toddlers?

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Is that a blink-182 reference? :D

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Yes it is :D

Anonymous

4:50 PM

So tell me: what's my age again?

caird coinheringaahing

Is blink-182 another old person thing?

4

DJMcMayhem

I like your music tastes

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Good Lord I hope not.

Anonymous

Get off my lawn.

4

Pavel

4:51 PM

Well, what is it?

Mr. Xcoder

@Mego 26?

caird coinheringaahing

opens Google Ah, Ok

@Pavel A band

Blink-182

Blink-182 (often stylized as blink-182; pronounced "blink one eighty two") is an American rock band formed in Poway, California in 1992. Since 2015, the lineup of the band has consisted of bassist and vocalist Mark Hoppus, drummer Travis Barker, and guitarist and vocalist Matt Skiba. Founded by guitarist and vocalist Tom DeLonge, Hoppus and drummer Scott Raynor, the band emerged from the Southern California punk scene of the early 1990s and first gained notoriety for high-energy live shows and irreverent lyrical toilet humor. Blink-182 was initially known as Blink until an Irish band of the same...

Pavel

That would explain why I haven't heard of them

Hosch250

SMH, how broken can JS be?

Mr. Xcoder

Oh, 23?

DJMcMayhem

4:52 PM

@Mego You ready for some sad news? That song is almost 20 years old

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego Without any socks, my feet would be very cold on your lawn :P

Pavel