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user165474

12:03 AM

@Uriel That too. Kinda like Jelly

Destructible Lemon

must recommend this

the language is confusing enough already

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/126235/65326 So. Close.

2 - 1 - becomes (-2)-1, I think?

Destructible Lemon

assuming - working like that is problematic

I think

user165474

@Mendeleev 0/10 can't play Minecraft anymore because it's too laggy

12:08 AM

FPS or internet?

user165474

Internet, though I'm having no problems with internet elsewhere.

Can you try conencting to dk0.us:8082

I proxied Hypixel

user165474

ooo

user165474

why do i think that would be slower

I don't know, but try it

user165474

12:09 AM

actually no rip i have to go now ;_; o/

O/

user image

I lost 110 rep to the cap yesterday o_O

@ATaco But why 1==1

Also is that Lua

It's AHK.

I did 1==1 because I couldn't be bothered remembering the correct case of TRUE

13

12:18 AM

1<2

Actually, does While 1 work?

Destructible Lemon

@Phoenix less clear

@DJMcMayhem how about 750?

@Phoenix Probably, but if it ain't broke.

My sister just bought me a fidget spinner. I am at the same time profoundly disappointed and happier than I've been all day.

I love AutoHotKey

It's a terrible language to write in, but using it is just much nicer than repeating mundane tasks, honestly it deserves half my wages.

12:24 AM

@Uriel never done that

@Phoenix I 3d printed 2 today

Is it actually any good.

user165474

At this point, I need to focus my language on a specific topic. I have a few ideas; I could do math, string modification, list modification, 2D string modification (i.e. stealing Charcoal's glory), general (i.e. remaking Jelly except more confusing), etc.

Do you lose rep when you have a highly upvoted answer on a question that gets locked?

No

user165474

12:36 AM

@MDXF Not when it's locked by a mod.

user165474

(ninja'd)

Ok cool

Just curious

Looking at Tweetable Mathematical Art and man it would suck if those answerers lost all that rep

user165474

Oh you were looking at that too? Funny, I was looking at that yesterday

I'm just pondering existence, wondering how Covfefe has anywhere near as many votes as that

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino lists

@MDXF that's rich coming from you

12:38 AM

124 votes for segfault != 333 votes for a meme

if I understood that reference properly

user165474

333 * 5 - 124 * 10 = 425

user165474

(for the record)

Destructible Lemon

a bunch of votes for a simple segfault != votes on similar level of magnitude for a challenge that gets half rep for every upvote

user165474

answer != question

user165474

there done

12:39 AM

@HyperNeutrino what does that mean

user165474

rep-no-cap-calc

user165474

the reputation gained without counting cap

Oh

user165474

Also 0/10 my language evaluates 1 - 2 to be 1 because stack based weirdness

Hah

What lang is it written in again?

Oh yeah Python

Destructible Lemon

12:40 AM

@HyperNeutrino I dare you to make that permanent for fun

user165474

@DestructibleLemon Nope. I'm following the same style as 05AB1E and since 1 2 - is -1 in 05AB1E, then 1 2 - will be -1 in my language

Yess postfix notation

Destructible Lemon

is everything an operator in your lang?

user165474

yes

user165474

@MDXF Also prefix and infix

user165474

12:42 AM

@DestructibleLemon well there are things like "sort over this code" or "filter with this code"

@HyperNeutrino Your lang supports all of them? :o

user165474

@MDXF Yes. If there aren't enough arguments for the operator, then remember the operator in a queue and when there are enough, then pop it off and perform it

@HyperNeutrino wow that's versatile

could get a little confusing though...

user165474

Yes. It gets very confusing because it defaults to prefix even though it's designed to be postfix; that is, - 1 2 3 - is (- 1 2) 3 - not - 1 (2 3 -)

So maybe you should just allow one

user165474

12:44 AM

Maybe. But no, I thought of this after being annoyed with not being able to use the PICK function in 05AB1E with the emoticon numbers so I decided to support both

user165474

I can just say it's designed to be prefix

user165474

Also 2-_-1 -> 1 :P

Hm that sounds good, just a hidden feature that only you know about?

user165474

@MDXF Well you as well.

Haha :D

And everyone who reads the transcript

user165474

12:45 AM

As well as a lot of other people who have been reading chat

user165474

(ninja'd)

ninja'd

user165474

... ninjaception

dammit

user165474

Also I need to make the function that updates whether or not the operator can be performed recursive, otherwise it only runs once

user165474

12:46 AM

Yay now I can do --------1

What does that do

user165474

negative(negative(negative(...negative(1)))...))

user165474

(what you would expect it to do)

Oh

user165474

because subtraction is _ (not stolen from Jelly at all)

12:48 AM

Ohh

Division is _ in triangular

/ is the Southwest directional

Destructible Lemon

are you going to have ~? are you going to have a character that does -~ and ~-?

user165474

Hm. Division is : for int division in Jelly (and will probably be for my language) and float division is ÷

: is duplicate ToS in Triangular

user165474

@DestructibleLemon one is increment (‘) and the other is decrement (’) (also not stolen from jelly)

user165474

@MDXF I should probably implement that :P

12:49 AM

Yeah it's very useful

user165474

I also need to make a thing where operators are able to push multiple items to the stack at once

also make sure you have good stack manipulation

user165474

Currently the best they can do is push a list

the easiest way to do this is to have an extra memory value

user165474

@MDXF like a register?

12:50 AM

yes

user165474

(scratchpad)?

user165474

ok

then three commands to interface with it - stash the top of stack in the register, pop the top of stack into register, and pull the register onto the stack

(easiest way)

user165474

Interesting.

heh I remember when I thought Decimal was a good language. lol

user165474

12:51 AM

Did you make Decimal?

Yup

user165474

ooo must check out

Decimal

it was my first lang

well, first esolang. rk was first but that's so much worse :P

user165474

:P

user165474

Really?

12:52 AM

Yeah

I said that earlier I think, when we were talking about IDEs

I wrote the whole thing in Notepad

user165474

Decimal looks very confusing

user165474

@MDXF that is weird. :P

It's not as confusing as cubically >:D

user165474

Did you make it for Conor's challenge?

Destructible Lemon

what does : do when the stack is empty? wait for the next thing? duplicate the thing of the last operator if it's infix?

12:53 AM

@HyperNeutrino No I didn't make it for a challenge, but which one?

@DestructibleLemon me? nothing, I think

Destructible Lemon

nope I meant for the new lang

user165474

Make a language that only uses 0123456789

user165474

wait nvm it uses D as well

user165474

@DestructibleLemon mine?

Yeah :/

Like I said it's a stupid lang

Destructible Lemon

12:53 AM

@HyperNeutrino ye

user165474

also no offense but your interpreter looks too hardcoded ;_; :P

@HyperNeutrino the Decimal one? oh that is absolutely hell

user165474

@DestructibleLemon It's integer division, but duplicate-top is just a monad

user165474

acts like any normal monad

Like I said. with no esolang experience I wrote that and thought it was a good idea

user165474

12:54 AM

Ah. :P

(It was not a good idea)

user165474

My first language was absolutely horrible. Even worse than that.

@HyperNeutrino pls link

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino o ok

I don't understand dryadic/nomadic-based languages

user165474

12:55 AM

@MDXF I don't think I have it anymore.

*scours your GitHub*

user165474

That was before I knew about GitHub.

Oh :P

I wrote an amazing ASCII-based game before I'd ever used the Internet lol

I can't find it

user165474

wow :o

Yeah. I was 12

Destructible Lemon

12:56 AM

@MDXF amazing

user165474

wait how did you learn programming?

user165474

books?

I taught myself

nah the man pages

user165474

@MDXF nice

Destructible Lemon

well obviously was not amazing if you took no care for it >:P

12:56 AM

@DestructibleLemon what do you mean

@HyperNeutrino What. what language is this

user165474

Also actual postfix lang which is terrible

Destructible Lemon

I don't know

; JUMP GOTO dafuq lol

user165474

@ASCII-only My new one called "programming-language" here

12:57 AM

@HyperNeutrino Conor did it much better

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino called it fixit

I also thought Decimal needed comments (ノ°Д°）ノ︵ ┻━┻

Destructible Lemon

unless that's taken already

(if anyone says put the table back I will ignore you)

user165474

@MDXF commands have multiple names and they all have a single-character name for golfing purposes

user165474

12:58 AM

@MDXF put back the table

Ohh that makes more sense

user165474

"put back the table" != "put the table b*ck"

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino you just said it! :O

you cannot take it back

user image

user165474

no... i never did...

user165474

12:58 AM

@MDXF :o plsno

@HyperNeutrino True

Yeah I was kidding lol

user165474

lol ik

user165474

Also PostL is very bad (both the name and the language)

user165474

gimme an easy challenge I want to PostL it

user165474

1:00 AM

Fun Fact: Windows Sticky Notes is called StikyNot.exe

Nearly every challenge that has a Hexagony answer in under 30 bytes now has a Triangular answer in less than 22 :D

user165474

@MDXF Every challenge?

@HyperNeutrino Fun fact: Windows Sticky Keys is called sethc.exe and if you replace it with cmd.exe you can bring up the command prompt at the login screen and change passwords using Alt+Shift+PrtScr

More or less every challenge

user165474

@MDXF interesting. but why would you do that ;_;

@HyperNeutrino Well; use a USB to boot a PC into Linux, then modify sethc.exe, reboot, then poof you have admin access in <2 minutes

user165474

1:03 AM

oh wow

user165474

lol I can't though because windows isn't fully shut down ;_;

I compromised an entire library that way when I was 14 >:D

no idea why I cared to do that

user165474

"Note that this practice usually only serves to confuse the reader of a program."

user165474

@MDXF reports for hacking

@HyperNeutrino I haven't been 14 for quite a while

user165474

1:05 AM

oh wait right you have a job (but wait min age for that is 14) what ok nvm

user165474

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Minimum age for Intel is not 14 :P

I wish it was, that would've been fun

user165474

@MDXF I meant for general (at least in canada) :P

Oh lol

user165474

OH GOD the entire first page of sandbox is ALL DELETED I can see why Beta was annoyed D:

1:06 AM

Sorry! :(

user165474

eh that's alright not like I read sandbox much anyway lol

The Sandbox Viewer prolly doesn't show the deleted posts btw

user165474

probably not

user165474

oh god I just installed StackExchange Dark (styler) and it was fighting with the grad userscript to take control over the theme and it ended up looking very bad

Ugh no

I use a dark styler on SO but then again I never use SO so whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user165474

1:09 AM

ah lol

btw what are some challenges that require no input?

for cubically

user165474

51

Q: Output the full name of titin

Titin is a protein found in muscle tissue. It is a pretty big protein, and its full chemical name is giant as well. Comprising 189819 characters, the full name of titin would take about 3.5 hours to pronounce. Your task is to output this entire name! Details The full name can be found here: Pas...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity chemistry

user165474

Have fun

:o

this will only take about an hour

you realize the Hello World took twenty-five minutes :P

user165474

make a program to generate programs then

1:10 AM

yeah how about no

oh that's a good idea

user165474

@MDXF exactly

user165474

Question: How do I make the type of an object in Python show up as something different?

@HyperNeutrino Answer: Use C

(jk :P)

user165474

@MDXF no ಠ_ಠ :P

Oh @HyperNeutrino I can beat all answers to that challenge I think

user165474

1:14 AM

@MDXF With what?

TIO bash

The link is only 4000 bytes :D

user165474

@MDXF wait actually??? wowie

Yup

I'm posting it, hope it's valid

oh nvm lol

wc messed up

it's 30,000 bytes :P

user165474

@MDXF good job :P

D:

1:17 AM

I just spent 40 minutes trying to make the pencil lines darker on an image in gimp that I had scanned earlier.

Then I gave up and rescanned the image and it came out fine this time.

user165474

Oh rip

I miss Paint.NET

That's the only good kind :P

user165474

I wonder what would happen if I opened up a terminal and typed userdel alex_liao...

...why

user165474

1:21 AM

brb going to try that from my brother's account because he's never used it

user165474

wait he isn't sudo though

user165474

yay now my brother is sudo

user165474

now going into his account and deleting it from his own account

obtw is the cubically readme confusing in any way? like if one were to read the readme would it be any easier to write code in the language

user165474

Looks ok. Just that the language is too confusing itself ;_;

1:25 AM

Exactly :D

heh I got Enthusiast on meta before on main

user165474

ooo wait what

user165474

:o less than a week fron fanatic! woooo

user165474

great now there's solid evidence that ~~I'm addicted to PPCG~~ you saw nothing

Heh

I won't get Fanatic

user165474

aw :(

user165474

1:34 AM

here if you give me your username and password I can sign in for you every day so you can get the badge

Ha

user165474

aw you didn't fall for it? :(

You wish :P

user165474

ಠ_ಠ :(

Then again, what could you do

Answer questions for me? Ah, darn. More rep :(

user165474

1:36 AM

or less rep by posting trash

user165474

suspensions, etc.

ಠ_ಠ

user165474

yay first "quick" implemented in new language

"quick"?

user165474

for example sort over a certain function

user165474

1:38 AM

or filter, map, filter_out, reduce, etc.

Oh cool

user165474

I implemented sort(nomad) :P

user165474

(intentional misspelling)

What's misspelled?

user165474

nomad -> monad (sorry for being evil to dyslexia :P)

1:39 AM

@MDXF monad

@HyperNeutrino Oh hah

I don't even know the difference between the two :P

user165474

lol

user165474

MONAD vs NOMAD?

oh boy I just realized I misspelled that in my starred message. lol

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF nomad = travelling person kind of thing

user165474

1:40 AM

@MDXF yes that's why I starred it

ಠ_ಠ

Destructible Lemon

like a nomadic tribe does not stay in one place like agriculturalist

Yeah ik

user165474

I thoguht you were being funny until I realized you probably actually couldn't tell that it was wrong sorry but not sorry :P ಠ_ಠ

this doman business is confusing me ಠ_ಠ

1:42 AM

@HyperNeutrino Oh haha lol

I just had to jump start my mom's car in the rain

It was very janky

Btw @HyperNeutrino thanks for the conversion suggestion. feedback pls

@totallyhuman I thought you said domain at first O_o

Destructible Lemon

I like how you typo'ed into two sorta related things

@DestructibleLemon Meh

I very frequently typo certain things

1:43 AM

wait

dryadic

Destructible Lemon

no I mean that it's nice they're sorta related

user165474

@MDXF ooo interesting

that's misspelled too lol

@totallyhuman nulladic

@DestructibleLemon o :D

Destructible Lemon

1:46 AM

maybe don't post that here then

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Cubify text code-golf esolang Note. Sorry to everyone for editing all those deleted posts. I didn't realize they'd get bumped to the front. Your challenge is to translate ASCII text into Cubically. Cubically is a programming language I wrote yesterday. It contains two pieces of memory, a 3x3 R...

user165474

@DestructibleLemon fair enough

Destructible Lemon

nymph illustrations don't greatly tend to be sfw I imagine

user165474

nymph != dryad

user165474

but yes true

1:48 AM

nymph != dryad but nymph == confusing && dryad == confusing so I guess nymph == dryad in a sense :P

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF dryads are a subset of nymphs

And they're all a subset of confusing

Destructible Lemon

no confusing is the superset

get it right

I don't like OOP so I don't really bother with supersets/subsets lol

Could some people look at this:

0

Q: Are objects in Haskell valid if there is no input?

We allow both programs and functions. Some challenges, mostly kolmogorov-complexity challenges, do not require input. This means that for some challenges you can write a function that takes no input. In many languages this is rather straight forward. For example if a challenge asked you to out...

It has had low views and I would like to get an answer, or at least some thoughts

1:50 AM

> Goes to work on project
> Comes back to TNB some time later
> You have been suspended for 17 seconds

@Phoenix what the...

did you post an image?

user165474

remember f-word

user165474

probably got flagged+validated

I was not aware that I was not allowed to swear, at all.

user165474

maybe, idk

1:51 AM

ppl don't really like it and it's unnecessary

user165474

I didn't flag it because I've seen the f-word be used around here before

I've only done it once or twice, ever, being suspended was extreme I think.

are you sure you're all not just talking about matt damon

@Phoenix I agree

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ doesn't matter wasn't even there for almost all of the suspension

user165474

1:52 AM

546 messages containing that word.

lol

@HyperNeutrino Yeah ಠ_ಠ

Heh a lot of them are from Martin

phoenix you have used it a fair amount :P

Really?

Well, I try not to.

user165474

I have used it once. And that was talking about BF

1:53 AM

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Me too

@Phoenix six right at the top lol

oh wait those are all you

did you go by the name Pavel before?

user165474

@MDXF good job

@HyperNeutrino ಠ_ಠ

Yes

1:54 AM

20 times

meh it's the internet >_>

Yes but StackExchange is like the last civilized place on the internet

5

excessive unnecessary cussing doesn't help that

let's see... who should i filter next

lemme check mine first

>_> the only time is in that link

i swear i swore before though o0

user165474

Oh god I've begun to golf my interpreter D:

noooooooooooo

user165474

Actually makes it more readable though... hm...

1:57 AM

Btw why did Conor O'Brien change from the Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ?

user165474

@MDXF because unicode != cool

Destructible Lemon

@MDXF I think it was some kind of agreement

in talk.tryitonline.net, May 26 at 5:40, by Dennis

Golf your code, not your interpreter. :P

@DestructibleLemon ?

@totallyhuman yeah he said that to me. accurate

user165474

@totallyhuman ಠ_ಠ why do you still remember where that was

1:58 AM

It has stars on it

user165474

Eh I mean all I'm doing is going from array = <stuff>; push(array) to push(<stuff>)

talk.tryitonline.net does not have many things starred

It will be on the starboard for months

user165474

@Phoenix oh right forgot stars existed (i have visual imparement apparently)

user165474

@Phoenix I can fix that (•◡•)

IDK why / like outputs a trailing /

user165474

1:59 AM

So you can do likelikelike...like and stick a slash in the front

user165474

(pls don't do here lol)

It was done before the / likelikelike thing was possible though

user165474

oh hm

It used to require the / was the very first char

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