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3:00 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ /20
 
@Fatalize That's like percent, but just 1/5th as precise. :P
 
do you ever use things like 17.5/20?
 
So it's a 19.4/20 :P
 
@Fatalize I'm surprised, I expected the american marks to be in 1/5280ths
10
 
3:00 PM
ouch
 
@Fatalize I thought that was just in HS?
Do they do that at university level too?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Yes, .5s is the usual increment, though sometimes it goes to .25, and sometimes adjusted marks get infinite decimals
@quartata Yes
 
@quartata at uni you'll get ppm's.
 
I don't think I should trust the lizard
 
3:01 PM
Though sometimes for long uni exams it might be over 40 or 60
 
@flawr :/
 
which gets scaled back to 20
 
@flawr Kinda, but only in high school. We use smaller distances for lower grades and longer ones for higher. So it's feet (12), yards (3), miles (1760), leagues (3 again).
6
 
@flawr now you sound like a xkcd comic
 
this is the battle of the trolls
flawr vs geobits
who will out-troll TNB until they get the max stars
 
3:03 PM
Well that was not my intention=)
 
$10 on Geobits round 4
 
ok now do we have a star troll
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ how to turn in final late :/
 
I'm just visiting, so no need to battle it out. I have a busy month.
 
or just a very zealous starrer
@Downgoat oh I thought that was your overall grade
that's even better
nice!
 
3:03 PM
Does anyone else use marks 1-6? (except germans, and they use it the wrong way)
 
sorry typo >_>
 
@flawr Schools here use A-F, which I assume is pretty much the same (in addition to percentages).
(and no E for some stupid reason)
 
E means Excused meaning it doesn't count
 
We use A-F in primary school
 
3:05 PM
@Downgoat #justipadthings
 
@Downgoat I have never seen that before
 
@Geobits so is there a certain mark that says from here on you pass, everything below is not sufficient?
 
@flawr Everything but F is generally passing.
 
@quartata I have, it's common at my old school
 
2 days ago, by Downgoat
@El'endiaStarman it is worse without autocorrect
 
3:06 PM
(F for fail, which is why I assume they skipped E? Still stupid though)
 
it appears to be teacher-specific more often then district specific
 
@Geobits That's not very descriptive; students can be on different levels of failure
 
@Geobits so you can get the marks A,B,C,D,F? (additionally with the +- modifiers)
 
You got an F!!!! Duh duh duh!!!! sounds more dramatic than with an E I guess
 
@flawr yeah
and many places don't have +/- on Ds or Fs
 
3:07 PM
@flawr Right. It varies by state/district, but usually the F-line is at 60-70%.
 
We have marks in percents but we have 1-5 in school reports
 
generally 60 is a D-/F iirc, 10% bars for each other letter
 
@Geobits 60% right or 60% wrong?
 
so we have F < D < C- < C < C+ < B- < B < B+ < A- < A < A+?
 
@Fatalize right, that's correct
 
3:08 PM
@betseg in primary/elementary school we used 1-4 on "report card" (equivilent of semester transcript)
 
^
xkcd.com/27 big onebox
@Downgoat how coudl they do this
 
So you're telling me if you do less than 60% of the exam it's considered as failure? Even in uni?
 
50% in Turkey lol
45% in primary schools
 
I was in one school growing up that was 70%, with each passing letter at 8 percentage points.
 
3:10 PM
…That's weird. I'm used to exams where it's actually impossible to finish it, and people getting 5/20 was normal
 
:3467879 goats don't make honey so maybe they just like goats, because it doesn't make sense how they fit a goat in eat box
 
> eat box
that is actually the perfect name for a cereal box
 
@Fatalize :O this explains my French teacher!! TYVM!
 
Oh, and for completion's sake, in preschool Minibits had a "grade scale" of E (exceptional), S (satisfactory), N (needs improvement) :P
 
@Fatalize you're french right?
@Geobits .... o_O why
 
3:12 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Indeed
 
Mainly because parents are crazy and need benchmarks.
 
why can we all just use A-F, 60 is a pass with lowest score, and every letter is 10%
 
@Downgoat I'm not sure that's the reason for your grades :p
 
I think on backside of report card my school had those in elementary school
 
and/or s/%/\/100/
 
3:12 PM
@Fatalize no my french teacher hates me because I played big role in getting her fired in middle school
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Why can't we all just use one anything? Something something xkcd standards.
 
@Downgoat Note to self: stop criticizing Downgoat's spelling
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 60% is only half-pass you only get 2.5 creds
@Fatalize oh please, idk what you're talking about :P
 
@Downgoat ..... why/how/what did she get fired for
eating goat curry on school grounds?
 
Nobody would fire her for that.
Probably give her a raise.
 
3:19 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Well the teachers in switzerland want you to know how bad you've failed, that is why [1,4) describes failure, [4,6] success.
 
Way to use both inclusive and exclusive ranges together :P
 
Anonymous
In Texas, they tell you that you've failed by changing your grades and handing you a high school diploma.
 
Anonymous
My high school graduating class had a 100% graduation rate. Our principal bragged about it. It wasn't a good thing.
 
Yeah, but once you get to college they only do that for the athletes.
 
3:22 PM
Haha, well here they just make sure there is a big enough gap between those who passed and those who failed :)
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ this is long horror story
 
Anonymous
One guy in my class graduated despite having a < 30% attendance rate
 
lol
at my old school there was a kid who kept coming while high, even though he got straight As
he did get expelled tho
because of the whole "being high at school" part
 
@Geobits ... our school was not run by evil daemons
 
3:24 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ TBF, lots of us came to school high in high school. Passing most tests wasn't really any harder stoned >_>
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat No, I should hope your school was actively attended
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this was a pretty hard test
 
@Downgoat would read
 
Eh, most of our tests were multiple choice for the longest time. I don't know what it was actually supposed to test, but it's a good way to make kids really good at multiple choice I guess.
 
this wasn't multiple choice anymore, happily
@quartata what do I do with all the extra food in sokoban? There's a lot of it
just pile it all up for later?
 
3:28 PM
@Geobits A while ago I had my first multiple choice test with those machine readable sheets. As I had no experience with these before, the most difficult part was getting my name on there.
 
What is the capital of Florida? Circle all that apply: a) Paris b) London c) Tallahassee d) Pants
 
d, Pants. Final answer
 
^^ my estimate of most multiple choice test's difficulty.
 
..... it's not miami?
/s
 
@flawr Haha, those name bubbles are dumb.
 
3:30 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ TIL it's not
 
I legitimately thought it was tampa, but apparently it's tallahassee
 
@Poke Ooooooh sorry. It was Pants until 1873, when it was moved to Tallahassee. Good guess though.
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Can confirm; have lived in both places.
 
crap...
 
I lost on the $1 question :\
 
3:31 PM
Nah, the $1 questions are usually easier than that. That was a $50 at least.
 
@Geobits Well at that one we had fore each letter a whole alphabet, and you had to circle the ones at that position.
 
I don't think you hit any checkpoints by the $50 question so I still walk away with 0
 
@flawr Yeah, I know the ones you mean. Like I said, dumb. Didn't work very well for people with long names at all either.
The ones we had were maybe ten characters for the surname
 
When I was in school there was "research" done that concluded that the answer is more often C than A, B, or D. I remember one kid didn't study and put C for every answer in a True/False quiz
 
Or accented names, etc
> When in doubt, Charlie out
 
3:34 PM
Well he failed
 
@Geobits yeah, they still have them >_<
do not work for long names
they often have 8 and 10 for first and last, it's a serious pain
 
@Poke Yeah, I bet. Even if they were a lot more common (say 50% of total), that's a fail.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ HAHAHAA
 
Anonymous
> When in doubt, C your way out
 
It's fair enough for one or two if you have no clue, but you shouldn't do it foor all of them lol
@Mego I assumed there was something normies used, but Charlie was what I heard all the time in the military >_>
 
3:36 PM
i was generally able to rule out 1 or 2 answers with relative ease
which made tests easier
 
Yeah, most of them are designed to have one or two that are easy to rule out, and they teach it as a strategy to look for.
 
@flawr will read later, can't right now
 
Anonymous
@Geobits Reeeeee?
 
I think that one whooshed me.
 
normies get out reeeeeeeee
 
3:42 PM
Ok, so after looking it up I guess I'm going to refrain from using the word 'normies'. Ever.
 
@flawr That's great.
 
:/ whole reddit domain is blocked for me right now, can't view it
and ceddit doesn't work either
 
Anonymous
@Geobits That's a good decision
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ redditjs?
 
3:48 PM
never seen that, googling
 
To be clear, I didn't mean it as an insult to anyone. I just find the word "civilians" awkward, and there aren't too many other ways to say it that flow well.
 
@flawr dead :(
it loads, but just like ceddit it can't load actual posts
 
@Geobits well you've triggered me now
i'm about to get SJW on your butt
 
A true SJW wouldn't say butt.
 
i didn't want to start a chain triggering
 
3:51 PM
Oh, I meant it was too harsh.
 
hahahaha oh
 
are we teaching exciting fresh memes
 
that one made me tear up keeping the laughs in
thank you cubicle
 
@quartata For real freshness, you need to buy local. The shipping time from 4chan to TNB is usually pretty long.
 
For the spiciest memes, consult your local computer security department. Tell them cookie monster sent you
 
Anonymous
3:55 PM
@Geobits But by the time they get here, they'll have ripened to dank
 
@Geobits reddit is close enough for me at least
 
I thought the dank came from pesticides. I only use organic memes raised with no antibiotics or hormones.
 
reeeee is kind of stale actually
What were you even talking about before this
 
School?
 
grading scales
 
3:58 PM
It was a bumpy ride
 
@quartata I have a shitton of scrolls, rn I've solved last level of sokoban and am waiting near downstair before attempting treasure room
what do I do with all the scrolls?
also, could I use scare monster to stand on to defend from the treasure room monsters? I have 2
 
How did this transition between school and pepe happen
 
I unknowingly did it by saying 'normies'
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ probably
 
what should I do with all the rest?
 
4:00 PM
are we talking blank scrolls
 
no
I've only got food detection and scare monster identified
 
well I'm not sure why you're asking that question then
 
d - an uncursed scroll of scare monster
h - a scroll labeled KARSUS
j - 2 scrolls labeled READ ME
p - a scroll labeled HLY HLS
y - 2 scrolls labeled JUYED AWK YACC
z - a scroll labeled FOOBIE BLETCH
L - a scroll of scare monster
M - a scroll labeled VERR YED HORRE
S - a scroll labeled ZELGO MER
 
only one correct answer: do nothing with them
 
should I drop them before attempting to fight clear the treasure room?
okay, thanks
 
4:01 PM
HLY HLS is either Holy Heals or Holy Hells. Sounds like a gamble to me :P
 
and BUC test that other scroll beore you use it
 
can't, no altars found yet
at all
 
Are you talking about NetHack?
 
@Geobits They're random
 
4:02 PM
@quartata Dammit, I forgot the /s again
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Cool! I'm gonna try it you made it sound awesome
 
@quartata I'll probably just stand on the uncursed one and read the un-BUC-identified scroll if I'm in trouble
@redstarcoder lol have fun with that
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it's 2017 nobody uses altars
 
it's hard
@quartata how else do I test it? no pet anymore
 
pets
 
4:03 PM
he died on the oracle level with a chameleon
 
@redstarcoder Don't do it. People who "just try it out" are often never seen again.
 
it's still there iirc, I had to run
 
@Geobits Sounds like Dwarf Fortress!
 
How do you people keep killing your pets i mean
 
@redstarcoder about that, but closer to explorer mode
@quartata dragon
 
4:03 PM
Nah, it's just reskinned Rogue.
 
leash or magic whistle
 
Anonymous
@quartata Traps are hard
 
@quartata Friend of mine would disagree. He once managed to ascend in a game where he use-tested amnesia. >_<
 
neither have
@Doorknob ouch
but you agree then?
 
Of course.
 
4:04 PM
@Doorknob ahahahaha
 
also, I have 4 rings, 3 different ones
 
@VoteToClose Considering that nobody can write Malbolge programs by hand, my statement remains vacuously true. ;)
 
should I go back down and try to identify one with a sink?
 
Anonymous
@quartata Sure, let me just go and find a leash or magic whistle at the start of the game and oh look my pony got crushed by a boulder trap
 
@Mego Boulder traps can't even kill ponies at full health
 
4:05 PM
I've had a dog for years without that happening. Some people just shouldn't have pets I guess.
 
@Geobits Pretty much
 
@quartata sink-test dupe ring or not?
 
Anonymous
@quartata Sure, but when the damn thing keeps walking into it, it can and will
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I mean you can but I think you're overestimating the treasure room
 
eh, okay
I also have a wand of lightning and cold so I'll probably be fine
neither resistance though
I'll try it later, right now I have other stuff to do IRL
 
4:13 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ worst case scenario: lock the door
Scare monster might not work if the monsters are really clumped together with no room to run
 
4:28 PM
Is there any programming languages that use any kind of brackets in the wrong order?
 
Does ><> count?
the braces end up like }{ all the time
 
Practical languages plz, if there is any
 
@betseg I mean you can do Perl shenanigans with the -p flag where you get code like this $\+=$_+$\for@F}{
but since the p flag implicitly wraps the entire program in while(<>){ ...; print $_ } it really is while(<>){$\+=$_+$\for@F}{; print $_}
 
Hmm, Perl is weird
 
I guess. All the symbols strung together like that look weird, but $ and @ are just datatype indicators called sigils
then again parentheses are not really all that necessary in perl and half of the builtin functions implicitly take $_ as a parameter so you don't even need to specify anything
 
4:54 PM
user image
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5:16 PM
This is nonsense.
 
5:58 PM
0
Q: Obfuscated Integer Notation

Julian LachnietBackground: Most numbers can be written with only 6 different symbols: e (Euler's Constant) - (Subtraction, Not Negation) ^ (Exponentiation) ( ) ln (Natural Logarithm) For example, you could convert the imaginary number i using this equation: (e-e-e^(e-e))^(e^(e-e-ln(e^(e-e)-(e-e-e^(e-e)...

 
@quartata ah, okay
@quartata don't they not melee you?
 
6:18 PM
Should I use snake_case or camelCase for JS?
 
Camel case is the standard for JS.
 
(although it's not actually JS, it's QML which is basically a JS ripoff)
 
generally camel for var names
 
Oh yeah, vars. Forget to mention
 
6:18 PM
yeah, camel case
iirc standard for python is snake, JS is camel
 
Sounds about right
C (not plus plus) is usually snake too
 
iirc C++ is PascalCase, right?
 
I think it varies more
Pascal is good for classes
 
ah
python standard is pascal for classes also
 
I like snake and camel because I like animals :)
 
6:24 PM
0
Q: Easy Square Encoder

Jack BatesThere is quite a basic way of "encoding" a piece of text so that it can be easily decrypted but still looks quite difficult. This is called square encoding. The way that one square encodes a piece of text is like this: Step 1 Get an inputted piece of text and remove the spaces. Step 2 Make t...

Do you guys want to VTC? I don't really like hammering
 
Aww it would have been a good first challange
 
Yeah... :(
 
there a way to get the inverse of a character class in regex?
 
@Poke [^...]
 
yeah i guess that makes sense... derp
 
6:30 PM
replace the ... with the inside of your character class
 
must have had a brain fart there
for reference I'm attempting to match word characters up to an equal sign
 
-1
Q: Easy Square Encoder

Jack BatesThere is quite a basic way of "encoding" a piece of text so that it can be easily decrypted but still looks quite difficult. This is called square encoding. The way that one square encodes a piece of text is like this: Step 1 Get an inputted piece of text and remove the spaces. Step 2 Make t...

 
\w*(?==) is where i'm at but I feel like there's something better
 
@Poke That seems as golfy as I could imagine
however that will match zero characters in some cases
 
yeah that's ok
 
6:35 PM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MarioSushi Man, make me some sushi It's lunch time, I am hungry and I came to your Sushi Bar. You are the Sushi Man and you have to make me some sushi! Although you have limited ingredients (due to a truck drivers strike) it will be fine for me. The ingredients you have (in plenty amount) are: Nor...

 
[^=]* is ok but it doesn't restrict to word characters
the question becomes am I ok with that.
 
@El'endiaStarman maybe this is just me, but I think that "the mods are asleep" (without supporting messages) isn't encouraging people to post noise. Did you move a bunch of messages or something?
 
i believe messages were removed
iirc someone mentioned it earlier
 
@NathanMerrill There was a message posted immediately before that one (which I replied to, and which was subsequently deleted [though not by me]) that basically said "if the mods weren't such jerks, I could post the face ._.".
 
ok :)
I expected something like that, considering the tone of your voice
voice?
message
do deleted messages not appear in the transcript?
 
6:40 PM
@NathanMerrill ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Idioms haven't really had much time to catch up to the existence of a text-only environment.
@NathanMerrill Nope. That tripped me up when I was first working on the TNBDE because I see them in the transcript.
But that's really because I'm a chat mod. I was later surprised to find out that ordinary users also don't see them in live chat if they refresh the page after a message was deleted.
 
that seems like one of those quality-of-life changes to make transcripts easier to read
 
Yeah, pretty much. For the vast majority of chat users, that is.
 
wait is that recent?
 
@El'endiaStarman here you dropped this: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"\"
 
@Poke I have no idea.
@betseg Ah shoot. I usually remember that.
 
6:44 PM
I don't get it, you can see deleted messages in the transcript, but ordinary people cannot?
 
only mod-removed
i guess
 
@Poke: 1) The Sandbox is the place for tests. 2) Refresh the page.
 
my bad
also i still see it
 
maybe its still in the "undelete" time?
 
@flawr I, as a mod, can see deleted messages in the transcript. If I look at it while logged out, I can't see them. That's why scraping the transcript didn't yield any deleted messages for TNBDE.
@NathanMerrill Not even mods can undelete messages.
 
6:46 PM
oh, there isn't a grace period or something?
hmm
 
@Poke Uhhh....hard refresh? (Ctrl+F5)
 
I did a hard refresh already
and I still see it
 
@NathanMerrill Not for deletion.
 
Guys, I have a question for you. Given an iterable, say the string "abacadabra", what's the golfiest way to get the ... ranking of the iterable, in this case [0, 5, 1, 7, 2, 8, 3, 6, 9, 4]
 
it must be a cron or something
 
6:46 PM
@NathanMerrill Ah, alrighty then. What if you go to the transcript and look at the same message?
 
@Sherlock9 oh, I posted a question on this!
 
Oh thank goodness
 
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Q: Ordering a list

Nathan MerrillSummary Given a list of integers, return the index each integer would end up at when sorted. For example, if the list was [0,8,-1,5,8], you should return [1,3,0,2,4]. Note that the two 8s maintain their order relative to each other (the sort is stable). Put another way: For each element in t...

 
It's actually part of my VIC cipher questions. The function is called sequentializing there.
 
@LegionMammal978: If you were going to delete your messages shortly after posting them, then why did you post them in the first place?
 
6:49 PM
removed messages don't appear in the transcript ever
 
@El'endiaStarman Realized afterwards how likely they were to get me 11'd anyway
 
@LegionMammal978 Alright, so here's a suggestion: have that realization beforehand. :P
 
its definitely not a cron: perhaps because deleted messages can still be part of a conversation, they show them for a period of time?
yeah, I still can't replicate that deleted messages are hidden on live chat
 
@NathanMerrill Perhaps you can try clicking "load older messages" repeatedly until you get to the ones I replied to (by wat and Pavel)?
 
@El'endiaStarman Are they somehow labaled as deleted?
 
6:51 PM
@NathanMerrill I could've sworn someone told me they were...wait, maybe it's because you're a 10K user in chat?
@flawr Yup. They look the same as when you see them deleted in live chat.
 
yep, I can see it by loading older messages
 
what's the best way to remove sensitive data from a [chat][q/a][comment]?
*as a moderator
 
In chat, we can purge the history of a message, and I think we have a "redact revision" feature on main sites.
 
Someone say my name?
 
@El'endiaStarman that seems rather inconsistent
I mean, its possible, but I really don't see the reasoning behind it
if you want us to see removed messages, then do it everywhere. if its a QoL thing, then simply treat us the same as your <10K users
 
6:55 PM
Is there a challenge for computing the average of a list?
I can't find it.
 
It might be under "mean"
 
I tried
 
and since it only really works with a list, "list" may not be a good search term either
 
I found challenges for the mean of an image, and the mean of a string.
But not the mean of a list of numbers.
 
@NathanMerrill Ah nuts, the Python approaches don't save me bytes. Thanks anyway
 
6:57 PM
sorry!
 
@NathanMerrill Maybe it's like how 10K users can see spam/offensive flags, but not mod flags?
 
@Pavel the "average string" challenge is rather close
 
@NathanMerrill Oh wait, Dennis's answer may save me yet. I'll keep you posted
 
you might get some duplicate votes, but I don't think I'd VTC
 
I'm not looking to post a challenge. I just need a really short program to find the average of an int array.
Ah well, I'll write my own.
 

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