« first day (2058 days earlier)      last day (2770 days later) » 

7:01 PM
Never a good sign when a question starts with "Please do not delete this without reading it completely"...
 
@BaldBantha haha you wish :P
 
it's because the old question got closed and deleted
 
If by greater -> bigger than yeah
I mean banthas are pretty big
 
Returns truthy, confirmed as fact: snoopy>dragon>cat>dog>penguin>gaot>rabbit>flamingo
 
@DLosc does the Zorn lemma apply here?
 
7:05 PM
@DLosc Okay, what does that code actually do? :P
 
@El'endiaStarman Lowercase letters scan separately and are all variables. So it's a bunch of expressions that do nothing. The last expression is printed. o is a variable preinitialized to 1.
So you can pretty much order it any way you want and it'll work, as long as the last word ends with o.
 
irb(main):007:0> :snoopy>:dragon and :dragon>:cat and :cat>:dog and :dog>:penguin and :gaot>:rabbit and :rabbit>:flamingo
=> false
no
 
Terrorists attack PPCG!!!
user image
3
 
@DLosc Ah, nice.
 
7:09 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC wat hav u don
 
does anyone know how to generate a runtime error of any kind using sed?
 
division by 0?
 
1
Q: Expand the variadic expression

helloworld922One of the cool features introduced in the C++11 standard is the ability to declare a template parameter as being variadic; i.e. that parameter represents a sequence of an arbitrary number of arguments (including zero!). For example, suppose the parameter pack args expands contains the sequence ...

 
@TùxCräftîñg HALPPPPP
 
there is no number support or arithmetic operations in sed @TùxCräftîñg
 
7:10 PM
> Image not found
 
@seshoumara malformed regex?
 
@TùxCräftîñg MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
 
hmm, but that is catched before running, I mean it will complain that the code syntax is not valid. I'm looking to generate an error during run with an otherwise valid syntax code.
 
7:13 PM
@DLosc no dragon :(
 
@muddyfish I didn't like where it sorted it. ;)
 
@DJMcMayhem wat iz
 
INT́*҉*͠E̡ELL*̕&***GEEN̛Ch̨t̢l͡utu** s͏a̴*͏s͝ te̢rrori̸*̢* gr͏oup ͘m̶a̧*͘* bȩ ͢r͘el̸a̡téd͜ ̸to ͜**̕*͟*̨ht̸t̕p:͟//͠f̸on̡t̸bomb.i͜lex.ca/̵
 
\m/ @DJMcMayhem
 
7:13 PM
@TùxCräftîñg 80 edits
 
mèñém
 
@DJMcMayhem Go ahead
 
Up next: socractic
 
@DJMcMayhem ahk congrats
 
@LuisMendo does MATL not have a 1- or 2-byte way to cut off the last character of a string?
 
@HelkaHomba Cool, thanks. Do you want any attribution?
 
@DJMcMayhem I'm still chasing that one. Does it have to be other people's posts, or do your own count as well?
 
Is it even possible to gen an error in sed during runtime, that is after the script syntax is validated?
 
@DLosc It has to be others.
 
@DJMcMayhem You could link to my video :) Note that it's also 3^n - 2^n
 
7:16 PM
I tried r tmp, to read a nonexistent file tmp, but that doesn't give an error.
 
@muddyfish Here you go
 
If editing your own counts, it says I have 437 revisions, haha
 
@DJMcMayhem That also explains why I don't have Excavator yet. I don't edit other people's posts that much.
 
@DLosc but it no work
 
@DLosc That's surprisingly readable.
 
7:18 PM
@HelkaHomba Wait, what?? Woah, I totally missed that.... haha
 
@muddyfish Optimized for snoopy. ;)
 
@Riley I know you use sed a lot, what do you think?
 
I made it more complicated than necessary
 
@El'endiaStarman Thanks! "Surprisingly readable" was one of my actual design goals for Pip, so that's good to hear.
 
@DLosc At least it gets some stuff right
 
7:20 PM
@muddyfish Hm, true.
 
@MartinEnder The easiest way is probably indexing 1:end-1
 
@DLosc: Well, I didn't expect this, and it makes me think of the Batman theme...
 
@flawr You mean like tnq:)? Surely that could be golfier
 
404 page feedback?
 
@El'endiaStarman ^_^
 
7:25 PM
@Downgoat Data files can't do anything, so "The data files failed to be retrieved" doesn't really make sense.
 
idk what to say. It basically shows that if the GET request for "data.json" failed
 
@DJMcMayhem how?
 
Which is also because "being retrieved" isn't a reflexive action.
 
I have no idea. It just seems awfully long for a golfing language
 
haha there is a lot of smileys in MATL code
2
 
7:26 PM
:)
 
Shameless request for help
 
@Downgoat "The request for data files failed"?
 

 Esolangs IDE Room

Room for discussion of an Esolangs IDE
@Downgoat ^ I agree with El'endia at least at the grammar
 
@El'endiaStarman hm ok
how about the UI? does it look good?
 
7:29 PM
I think I'm being very stupid.
 
my clipboard went mad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@wizzwizz4 ?
 
@TùxCräftîñg The D is unnecessary
 
@TùxCräftîñg At least you didn't paste your password.
 
Implicit printing
 
@DJMcMayhem it's a smiley
 
7:30 PM
@TùxCräftîñg I have a piece of code that keeps throwing an error on what I think is a perfectly acceptable line.
 
@LuisMendo would it be possible to link the functions from the function table in your documentation to the corresponding entry in the appendix?
 
@TùxCräftîñg Whenever I run get_request("http://example.com/").then(console.log, console.log) it throws an error on line 51.
Or rather, prints the error object that it probably should've thrown.
 
xmlhttp.send(); on what browser are you?
@wizzwizz4
 
7:34 PM
@TùxCräftîñg Firefox.
 
Latest, 64bit.
 
FF dont like loading http from a https page
 
@TùxCräftîñg D'oh.
No, the problem still occurs with https.
 
7:36 PM
It's a twitterbot for Retrocomputing, but it could be used for PPCG too.
 
@MartinEnder No... you need three bytes
 
now it's probably CORS wait i have the french version idk how it's called in english
 
@TùxCräftîñg -.(o.o).-
 
it's the same origin policy
 
@TùxCräftîñg I think it's the same in English.
 
7:37 PM
k
 
You can keep working on it if you like, but I've got to go now.
 
@LuisMendo ah okay, too bad :)
 
@LuisMendo I still have trouble understanding how that works, haha
 
;_; sad moment when you make really nice error page but realize your app is so well made it'll never show error page
 
7:45 PM
@Downgoat ;_;
 
@Downgoat Yeah, suuuure....
:P
 
@seshoumara Is there a max pattern size in sed? Would something like :loop;s/./../;b loop eventually crash?
 
@Downgoat That's when you hire a cybersecurity consultant to find a flaw in your app. ;)
 
Evening!
How ya doin
 
@TùxCräftîñg No downward gravity 0/10
 
7:47 PM
one day i tried to create a language with gravity for the IP
 
I think I should have like 1/20 chance app fakes a fail so people can see my error oage
 
it dont ended well haha
@Downgoat no ಠ_ಠ
 
@Downgoat Famous last words ;)
 
@TùxCräftîñg @Downgoat It's Not a Bug, It's a Feature!!
 
7:50 PM
Make that 1/2000 chance and you can call it an Easter egg.
 
@DLosc smart
 
Or "User clicks on this exact pixel"
 
and use the error page for the error I'm a teapot
 
ಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠ
 
7:53 PM
@TùxCräftîñg Seems legit.
 
@TùxCräftîñg wat
 
Wat
 
> Concise coding is as much of an art as effective coding. source
 
I've met half a dozen people who program in esolangs at this tiny (~200 people) roguelike conference.
It's giving me the idea of trying to organize an esolang/codegolf conference
10
 
7:57 PM
We need to hold a 2016 esolang conest
Shit ninja
@Sparr this is good idea
 
a codegolf conference should be called glfd cnfrnc
 
^
 
bcs vwls r uncsry bt wstr
2
 
> glf
 
> or simply waddling through a land riddled with scalding lava and landmines with the imminent threat of nuclear bomb strikes (also known as Malbolge).
2
 
7:59 PM
@TùxCräftîñg Cd glf cntst 2016
 
why golfed conference? if you're golfing conference, you don't need to call it out
 
@TùxCräftîñg You have a u there. :P
 
"cnfrnc" <-- that's the whole name
 
@TùxCräftîñg you just gave me an interesting challenge idea, given a word stripped of all "useless" letters (and possibly a dictionary) recover the orignal program
 
@DLosc because otherwise this would be necessary
 
8:01 PM
@RohanJhunjhunwala +1
 
@TùxCräftîñg Just keep the double n.
 
@Sparr Can you please make a recording of your elevator pitch and share it with us? :)
 
@Downgoat :)
 
> They say that a summoned demon could improve your game.
1q: how?
 
8:08 PM
sadly cnfrnc.com is taken, but .net and .org are available
and the .com isn't being used
@MartinEnder it would be textual, of course :)
I recently went to a meetup in SF for a language I'd never used, just because they said it was going to be a code golf night. I beat the experienced devs handily.
 
haha
what language was that?
 
F# was the language
 
@Riley didn't saw your reply. Thanks. I'll try it now. Looks like a good idea.
@Riley found this online "GNU sed has no built-in limit on line length." But other versions have a 4k or 8k limit.
 
ok, I got cnfrnc.net and .org, and emailed the brokers sitting on .com
now I've got a year to make this happen, or be sad I wasted $25
 
lol u actually bought domains for this xD
 
8:26 PM
0
A: Could a warship's armor be made of aluminium?

Angela MendozaI had the same question in mind so i googled found this http://www.g2mil.com/aluminum.htm

 
@El'endiaStarman
 
@seshoumara let me know if it works
 
first image: ouch, second one: Ouch, third one: OUCH
 
How many people in your immediate family could write a "Hello, World!" program on the spot in a language of their choosing? - strawpoll.me/11245502
 
@El'endiaStarman don't forget the famous side car races
"Let's add a third wheel off center to get shitty riding dynamics and race it."
 
8:30 PM
@HelkaHomba 0 (cant vote because bad connection)
 
@HelkaHomba I voted "definitely one other person" because my brother definitely knows enough Python. :P
 
or 1 if minecraft commands count as a programming language
 
@HelkaHomba "Maybe 1 other." It's possible my Dad remembers enough QBasic from 20 years ago.
 
@HelkaHomba including dead people, when they were alive?
 
8:46 PM
@Sparr Sure
@TùxCräftîñg Let's just say mainstream languages, used for commercial purposes
 
now I just need to convince a few fools in SF to help me organize a conference...
 
@HelkaHomba then 0
 
I wonder how cleverly I could word a question on meta in order to advertise the idea while also gathering suggestions. Maybe ask about topics? Presenters? Experts?
 
this seem off-topic for meta
there is probably a SE site (or a proposed one) about organizing conferences
 
sure, but I want to get ppcg users to contribute to the conference
"Which PPCG challenges would translate well to real time competition at a codegolf/esolang conference?"
that seems on-topic for meta
 
8:52 PM
idk
 
There is one difficulty to consider: a lot of PPCGers are young. As in, generally not the sort of people to travel long distances to go to a conference. :P
 
What’s immediate family again?
Parents and siblings?
(And children I guess, but)
Or just “family members you live with”? English is hard.
 
@Lynn parents, siblings, children
step-parents, half-siblings, step-siblings
maybe ex-step-parents, ex-step-siblings
fun aside: the family member to whom I was ever the closest was my ex-step-ex-step-grandfather
 
9:01 PM
the man previously married to mother of the man previously married to my mother
(neither of those men being the biological fathers in question)
 
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
the ex-step-father of my ex-step-father
 
Ah! Well, two of my step-siblings definitely could, but I’m hardly close to them
 
@El'endiaStarman the conference doesn't have to be in SF, it's just where I am now. there might be a handful of other cities with more PPCG folks living in/near them
 
I have no idea if my brother could. I’ll have to test. Probably he could come up with a TI-Basic Disp "HELLO WORLD" given a tiny bit of fiddle-time
 
9:03 PM
@Sparr Problem #2: PPCG's population is very widespread.
 
Android API 21 actually has a methods called isUserAGoat that returns whether or not the user has Goat Simulator installed
I'm looking at you, @Downgoat
 
@El'endiaStarman none of the esolang users I've met today in person have ever heard of ppcg. this wouldn't be just aimed at ppcg users.
 
@Midnightas o_O
 
xD
Goat Simulator isn't even made by Google!
 
@HelkaHomba does html count?
 
9:05 PM
I met someone today who is developing a hex-grid turmite simulator, and wants to build a game around it... and he's never done code golf or heard of ppcg, or any of the non-classic esolangs.
 
@TùxCräftîñg I just read Your Mom on the showcase page (lol)
But I didn't really get this:

>Since Your Mom use Unicode, the length of the snippets are in characters, not bytes.

Aren't there lot's of Unicode encodings?
 
your mom dont use a special codepage
she it use utf-8
 
So, why is it counted in characters? If the code point is above 255 then it has to use 2 bytes
 
IDK if I mentioned this but a high school student I tutor mathematics weekly IRL has read my code golf answers. ._.;
 
haha the semicolon at the end
@Midnightas so length 1 can be ಠ for example
 
9:09 PM
So in any language I make I can just say "The score is counted as characters"?
 
no, questions count length as bytes
just this is question is an exception
 
Oh, I get it
 
@Riley so I tried the inf loop that grows the pattern space by 1 char on each iteration, but because I have GNU sed it still runs after about 30 minutes now. These day with modern versions of sed I think it's not possible to rely on that limitation.
 
I want to know which languages get used the most often on PPCG. I can pull answers via the API and try to parse language names out of the "standard" answer header format... has anyone else already done that?
 
I do remember a query like that
 
9:14 PM
Dennis did some RSS feeds that post answers on a specific language in my chat room bash, sed and dc
 
@Sparr That's definitely been done before, with varying degrees of success.
 
@MartinEnder you're from northern Europe, iirc?
 
@Sparr I'd consider it central/western Europe, but okay :D
 
ok, np
similar airfare to the western US :)
 
probably
 
9:19 PM
I asked myself "if my codegolf/esolang conference had a small presenter travel budget, who would I invite first?"... and your name is pretty high on the list
 
@TùxCräftîñg if this is actually based off this community I'd say it might be on topic. there are regular "who is going to (relevant) conference X?" posts on other site's metas.
@Sparr awww, thanks :)
 
@MartinEnder kk
 
@Sparr haha that's spooky, that's sort of the next thing I want to work on (I have been playing around with Langton's ants on various grids with various rules recently)
 
he has an amazingly fast simulator running in the browser, with webgl for rendering
but he doesn't want to publish it yet :(
 
I'll let you know when I've got anything to show, but I've got to get a couple of other (real-world) projects out of the way first.
 
9:32 PM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Darren HMethod of Loci <Backstory canskip="true"> When I was a kid I was fascinated by a man I saw on TV who could recite pi to incredible accuracy. When interviewed, he explained that he saw each digit in his head as a building and reciting the number was, to him, just like describing a skyline where...

 
Hello everybody :) ! I'm new here. Novice programmer (still learning English), awestruck by you guys and your works. I yearn to be able to do like you. :D
 
Welcome to The Nineteenth Byte :D
pretty interesting fractal generated by 2 ants with the LA rule URL
 
Thanks @TùxCräftîñg :D. I'm sure I'll learn a lot here.
 
@TùxCräftîñg in what way is this a 'fractal'?
 
or repetitive pattern idk how is this called
 
9:37 PM
the crucial part of a fractal is that it's self-similar on different scales
you just have a repeated pattern
 
it's usually called a highway for Langton's ant
 
brainstorming ideas for events at my conference
came up with a challenge type that I don't think has been done on PPCG
has there been a challenge where the total/leaderboard score was based on how many people solved in a given language?
sorta ppcg+scattergories
 
not following. which is better? participating in a new language or in a one that has been used already?
 
new language
in the party game scattergories, you only get points for answers that no one else came up with
so I'm thinking of a challenge where if 10 people solve it in python, you only get 1/10th of a point for a python solution
 
I see. there was Dennis's now-off-topic Decathlon which I think gave you points for leading with a language
 
9:43 PM
or your python score/size is adjusted by a factor of 10, or something
 
(or maybe it was just for leading in one of the subproblems)
48
Q: First code golf decathlon

DennisTasks All competitors try to solve the following list of 10 tasks: math Read a positive integer n from input and return the sum of the cubes of the first n non-negative integers. For input 1, this should return 0. Read a positive integer n from input and return a truthy value if and only if ...

 
@ConorO'Brien @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ RDFTD ^^
 
@Sparr btw, while this is fun for covering many esolangs, it also has the problem that golfing is more fun if there's more competition within each language (since you can't really meaningfully compete with other languages anyway)
 
@Sparr Dude where sign me up
 
probably San Francisco
 
9:47 PM
That's on the other side of the world for me. :(
 
sorry. maybe if it works then there will be more elsewhere?
seems like it could make a decent roaming conference
 
@Sparr I'm feel like there'd be a small lack of people using esolangs in England tbh
 
conferences don't have to be huge
the roguelike conf I'm at right now is about 200 people
there are probably 30 esolang users here, just through correlation
 
becuz of ANKS i am doing a lot of weird exeperiments on CAs
 
@Sparr True. However, I couldn't organize it myself (no money + under 18)
@TùxCräftîñg A New Kind of Science?
 
9:49 PM
ye
 
Looks interesting, I might read it at some point
 
it's interesting
 
@Sparr +1 this is good location
 
> good goat
If it's next summer, I might pay a visit.
Because there are a looooooot of people who happen to be in HS who are esolang users (such as I).
 
if I was dreaming about where this might go, it might happen ever year in a different country
SF/USA this year, somewhere in europe next year, etc
 
9:52 PM
Gah crap I leave England forever this summer.
Why not organize it in various locations every year?
@MartinEnder: Would SE support the advertising of a convention that stems directly from one of its sites?
 
@Syxer yes they do even sponsor users going to conferences to promote an SE site
 
@Downgoat That wasn't my question: I was asking whether they would promote a conference that relates/encourages the use of an SE site, not sponsor users who go to an SE conference (assuming that's what you meant).
In manners such as site ads.
 
Since I don't work for SE, I can't tell you
 
Because this should totally be site ad-ified if possible
@MartinEnder Poop. Who do I call?
 
@MartinEnder I find that interesting to say... Can Jelly compete with GOlfscript or CJam or (insert golfing language here)? I don't know, it could be an interesting argument to say that creating a golfy esolang in and of itself is a competittion to minimize redundancy. arguably most golfing langs hit this mark. IDK though, what I;m saying might be silly
 
9:57 PM
@Syxer try going to meta SE chat
 
@Downgoat Good idea.
Meta away!
 
@RohanJhunjhunwala sorry, I'm not following
 
@RohanJhunjhunwala that's definitely true also, but not everybody uses golfing languages or designs their own
And also, some languages are better at certain tasks than others
 
@MartinEnder sorry, what I mneant to ask was, do you think that some of the extraordinarily golfing languages on this sight have become so compactified that tehre are a maximal efficiency copression scheme for tasks on this sight?
 
@Syxer one person can't organize conferences all around the world. if people like the idea, someone in england would need to organize it in england.
 
9:59 PM
@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I do agree to that, some languages are better than others. Mathematica can win with a single built-in thats a few bytes long
 
@Syxer I could pay for ads on ppcg, probably :)
 
(at certain things)
 

« first day (2058 days earlier)      last day (2770 days later) »