The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-09-14 (page 3 of 6)

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4:00 PM

Hopefully with our design we'll get a new tour and that will help

November is coming.

@quartata I agree, though to some extent this issue reminds me of principal skinner i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/645/713/888.jpg

El'endia Starman

@quartata On the other hand, you can just post challenges in the Sandbox and other members of the site will help you. Over time, people gradually learn what to do and what not to do, I think.

@El'endiaStarman To some extent. Assuming you know about the sandbox. And you know how long to leave it there for. And others are scanning it regularly, etc.

Also, I can now forcefully edit and review edits :D

4:02 PM

@zyabin101 The end is nigh

Aaaaaand... all of the review queues are blank. ._.

They usually are. Not enough traffic to keep them filled for long, and lots of reviewers.

At least, I can forcefully edit questions... yay? :3

I'm not sure I like how you keep using the word forcefully when talking about edits ;)

The edit(s) of users with 1k or more rep take effect immediately.

4:05 PM

@Geobits What is Marky's current accuracy and encoder perplexity?

@zyabin101 No, I know. Forcefully usually has the connotation of doing something against someone's will, though. Not just immediately.

@quartata Ummm...... I haven't trained him in quite a while, but iirc his perplexity got down to around 10-11 for his current brain.

How long did it take to get there

Also, in the Sandbox I found out the current rep cache already has 1003 rep in my account.

Gotta make that thought room someday.

@quartata I think that one was a couple days? I'd run some of them for a week though, so I'm not sure which is current.

@zyabin101 Yeah, meta can show your future rep until caching catches up...

4:08 PM

Hmm, now I need some demand.

Is the idea of a thought chat room for me good? :3

For generally talking to myself.

Yes

Then, I do it? :D

Of course, you could just talk out loud like a sane person :P

Yup, technically, in this chat room, I will talk out loud.

If you were compressing strings for a golfed program, would you be willing to wait 25% longer to achieve a 2% better compression?

El'endia Starman

4:11 PM

Me? No. Some people? Absolutely.

Poll: would you be willing to wait 80% longer to achieve a 20% better compression, or 20% longer for a 80% better compression?

For golf, I don't see why not. Assuming that 2% is at least one byte saving and the 25% is not on the order of hours.

@zyabin101 Uhhh......

So, I do my thought chat room? :D

@zyabin101 that's typical. I watch the queues like a hawk and there's almost never more than one or two reviews in there

I once did eleven VLQ reviews in a day

Geobits, so if the 2% represents 300 bytes and the extra time is 1 second?

4:14 PM

@quintopia That sounds decent for even non-golfing purposes

ok

Possible dupe alert: is this a dupe of this? f(n)in the former == f(n,n) in the latter.

@quintopia 25% of 2 minutes? Sure. 25% of 2 days? Probably not

@quintopia Don't worry, I can wait.

Oh that was pretty much ninjad. Oops. I was away from the screen...

4:19 PM

Don't worry, that's not being ninja'd.

Two people can have the same opinion in a poll.

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions Many/most of the answers to the latter aren't golfed, so there's that to consider.

So, I do my thought chat room? :/

El'endia Starman

@zyabin101 Sure, go ahead.

@zyabin101 If it will keep you from repeatedly asking that :P

:D

4:26 PM

@zyabin101 I think that's a definite yes :) Besides, you don't need permission to create a chat room - you have the power...

Create it forcefully

I'm not asking for permission, I'm asking for demand.

The demand on your own chat room would be determined by you.

I demand that you go and talk in another chat room

And finally, what should I call the thought room? :3

4:27 PM

(feel free to talk here too :P)

Call it Zyabin 101

Okay.

I made the room.

Now, I'll add my "web of guys" as writers here.

Wha.....?

@zyabin101 Make a blog, make a blog!

Yay, wizzwizz4! You're back!

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My starboard would be my blog. :3

4:38 PM

I am back from my long trip through mod-land.

Most of it was boring.

Some of it was not.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 Like dealing with problem users? :P

@El'endiaStarman I haven't had any yet.

El'endia Starman

That's impossible!

Either that or your site is dying. :P

It is unfortunately dying.

does $("#input").disabled = 1 until the discourse ends

4:41 PM

There are fewer posts than users.

El'endia Starman

Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that. :/

Do you happen to know anything about Retrocomputing?

... how do i disable the input with jquery?

@zyabin101 $("#input").disabled = "true";?

@wizzwizz4 Do games for very old IBM PC systems count? Like Chip's Challenge? I guess not.

4:43 PM

@zyabin101 I think they do.

@wizzwizz4 Nah, doesn't work.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 Not really, sorry. :/

@wizzwizz4 I know one of the mods. :P

Seems like I'll just use plain old ES5.

El'endia Starman

On the bright side, Retrocomputing has more questions per day than nine other SE sites, so there's that...

4:44 PM

@El'endiaStarman That is a good thing.

@Sp3000 fwiw i think it worked out kind of nicely that the test data has some weakness (but there might be some weaknesses i didn't notice)

@wizzwizz4 BTW I'm still not sure if I get your question on my challenge. Could you post your example in here where the whitespace can align correctly?

@DJMcMayhem Ok.

do             while (condition); #Explanation
   {some code}                    #Explanation

Aaah, oic

Something like that, just expanded differently.

4:47 PM

there's a wrong approach that passes, but even though it's wrong, it's only a small conceptual variation on a correct approach

No, you don't have to handle inputs like that. The code will always descend sideways down and to the right

@DJMcMayhem That's good, because there are a few answers that wouldn't be able to handle that sort of code.

I feel guilty now.

See: xkcd.com/1732

How do I close Firefox' developer tools, with a keyboard shortcut?

Guilty of what?

@zyabin101 F12?

4:55 PM

@zyabin101 Alt-F4 works too

@DJMcMayhem Using electricity that isn't carbon-neutral.

@Geobits Only if it's a separate window.

No, it'll definitely close it.

@Geobits And the page you're debugging.

I use Tile Tabs the Firefox extension, so F12 puts the other tab (the Zyabin 101 room) to the right.

^^ s/possib/actual/

@wizzwizz4 Yes, most likely.

4:56 PM

And also every other tab.

But it still works...

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 It fulfills the stated request though.

It, really, will close Firefox fully.

Star galore?

Nah, you need a lot more than two for galore

Star galore averted. :3

4:57 PM

@El'endiaStarman So does a power cut.

@wizzwizz4 That's not a keyboard shortcut

I once had a star galore in the 2nd Monitor before.

El'endia Starman

@wizzwizz4 But that's not a keyboard shor- bah.

@Geobits Yes it is. I have AutoHotKey, and have tied Shift+Alt+Meta+Esc+¬+NumHome+8 to "City-wide Powercut"

Oh. Some keyboards have a PC power switch on them. Would that count?

4:59 PM

@Geobits it is if you have a button that short-circuits the mains plug on your keyboard

You have a mains plug on your keyboard?

You all should have made those suggestions then.

I sometimes forget that I'm talking to a group of 'golfers.

@TimmyD (it is if you have a button that (short-circuits the mains plug) on your keyboard)

Ah

5:00 PM

People abused stars to make an entire part of the transcript starred, this trashed the starboard, and in the end, IIRC, Malachi put the entire discourse into the Nth Monitor.

@zyabin101 Does pinning cause that problem? ...

@zyabin101 happens surprising often there doesn't it?

No pins were made in the process.

Also, in the star galore that I told about, there were lots of messages that were starred.

Idea: pin up a post to encourage stopping abuse of stars in the room.

@zyabin101 That can be arranged...

@zyabin101 That's been done before :P

5:06 PM

How was it pinned? o.o

@zyabin101 Mods and room owners can pin stuff.

Congratulations to @zyabin101 for 1k rep... am I late?

Note: I did not (temporarily) pin that.

@Fatalize Yup.

I'm later though.

@Fatalize You are never late for congratulations.

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Congratulations @zyabin101!

5:08 PM

Thanks :3

You've only been here for 8 months?!? It feels like so much longer.

Is congratulating Dennis on 10k considered late?

@ETHproductions ... Perhaps.

Salient Terribly Awesome Reading: Star Them Always Reasonably.

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A PPCGer is never late, nor is he early, he congratulates precisely when he means to

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5:11 PM

Hmm. I wonder if it's time to try out that nifty new unstarring power that I have. It's not exactly antistars, but it's close :D

@Geobits No. No no. No no no. No no no no. Nononononono. No.

Don't do that unless absolutely necessary.

Or it's funny.

(Thanks for the acronyms to Steven H. and El'endia Starman.)

@wizzwizz4 Well, that was the angle I was going for here. Sorry if it failed miserably >_>

@Geobits It didn't, I just don't get jokes unless I'm actively looking for them.

But seeing six starred messages out of twelve does make me think that not all of them are necessary.

5:16 PM

Khe khm.

5 hours ago, by trichoplax

To the room: It's your right to delete your messages, but if you annoy people, by that or any other method, you may be kicked from the room.

Woah.

El'endia Starman

→ 9 messages moved to Trash

Thanks.

Sorry if I've annoyed anyone.

No one seems annoyed this time :P

5:18 PM

omg y u do dis?

user image

Gee thanks :P

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@El'endiaStarman We could've made it a whole screen long before it was deleted! :-/

@Geobits please ignore that invitation.

It's as useless as the room itself.

@zyabin101 that's what the purpose of your room should be

My message earlier was directed at people who push it too far and make others suffer - I'm not about to kick people for every message they delete...

El'endia Starman

5:18 PM

@zyabin101 I personally think the room is very useful.

@El'endiaStarman It is useful for training Marky.

@El'endiaStarman the Trash?

El'endia Starman

@muddyfish Yup.

@El'endiaStarman For those with RO privs, to remove off topic discourse, yeah. For those who get moved there, nope.

If nothing else, it makes for a beautifully passive aggressive invitation :D

5:20 PM

I feel like writing a challenge.

I haven't done that in six months.

@zyabin101 Um, I don't think we move people there... :P

I feel like reviewing a challenge. @ETHproductions, put up your idea.

@ETHproductions I know: write code to break Marky by teaching him from Trash.

@trichoplax Not yet...

@wizzwizz4 Good luck :)

CMC: Write a program that outputs: "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "ERROR: NESTING

5:24 PM

import sys; while True: sys.stdout.write('CMC: Write a program that outputs: "')

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alert(uneval("CMC: Write a program that outputs: ").slice(1).repeat(5)+"ERROR: NESTING")

does exactly what the message states :P

@ETHproductions Sorry, my HID doesn't support too much recursion.

I thought he meant infinitely nesting

as in ERROR: NESTING

Pyke, 61 bytes "CMC: Write a program that outputs: "]15*"ERROR: NESTING"+\"J

I don't think that's possible with any typical JavaScript output method

5:26 PM

this part has a not-so-easily seen sense

@zyabin101 Correct.

Besides for(;;)alert(uneval("CMC: Write a program that outputs: ").slice(1))

Proper infinite output: \""CMC: Write a program that outputs: "rs - note: only outputs when complete ;)

New CMC: Outputs: "New CMC: Outputs: \"New CMC: Outputs: \\\"New CMC: Outputs: \\\\\\\"New CMC: Outputs: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"New CMC: Outputs: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"New CMC: Outputs: ERROR: NESTING

Without the ERROR: NESTING. Just carry on the sequence.

I'll guess the formula for the amount of backspaces in the sequence: 2^(n + 1) - 1?

5:29 PM

@zyabin101 Yup!

:D

It took me a few weeks to work that out first time. It took you... a minute?

import sys; x = 0; while True:
 x = x + 1
 sys.stdout.write('New CMC: Outputs: ' + ('\\' * (2 ** (x + 1) - 1)) + '"')

@wizzwizz4 Pyke, 31 bytes: "New CMC: Outputs: "\\oh2^t*\"rs

2golfy4me

New Sandboxed Posts

5:33 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pointfree Generator -- this is a draft.... -- What is this? From Wikipedia's page: Tacit programming, also called point-free style, is a programming paradigm in which function definitions do not identify the arguments (or "points") on which they operate Challenge In this challenge, you wil...

@wizzwizz4 (Need infinite stack) x=lambda:"New CMC: Outputs: %r\""%x()

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Enumerate an array of arrays of arrays of... The challenge is simple: given an input of nested arrays, output a finite real number. The catch: for every possible input, the output must be different. The input will always be an nested array that contains nothing other than arrays on every level....

@muddyfish Oh, infinite stacks are easy to make. Just not in HID's.

@wizzwizz4 I meant a python stack - otherwise it would recursion error

@muddyfish Each function on the stack would contain the same information (except the topmost / bottommost one), right?

5:42 PM

@wizzwizz4 yes - it could do tail-end recursion but it doesn't

@muddyfish But if I was simulating Python in a Virtual Machine, I could "page" the identical memory out, thus only requiring a counter. And that gives you almost infinite stack.

@wizzwizz4 but what if you changed the definition of the function whilst in the function?

El'endia Starman

Unfortunately, when it comes to infinity, it's either all or nothing.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Enumerate an array of arrays of arrays of... The challenge is simple: given an input of nested arrays, output a finite real number. The catch: for every possible input, the output must be different. The input will always be an nested array that contains nothing other than arrays on every level....

TùxCräftîñg

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A: Produce the number 2014 without any numbers in your source code

Straw, 13 bytes (non-competing) Non-competing because the language is 2 years newer than the language... (…………………σ)«$> « sum the codepoint of all characters in a string, $ convert from unary to decimal and > is the print operator. Try it online

btw YAY the chat finally loaded

5:47 PM

> the language is 2 years newer than the language

TùxCräftîñg

fixed

@TùxCräftîñg I have got 1000 rep and finally created the thought room! :D

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Q: Typecast with and without union

I am typecasting my int variable using a union and without the union in the following program. My question is why the float values are different i.e. flt_1 is -1073745920.000000 which is basically the int value with decimal point however while using union i get -1.999512 for the same integer val...

ascii-art c c++

TùxCräftîñg

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@muddyfish Then you don't page it out. You only page out identical memory, and page it back in when it's no longer identical.

5:48 PM

^^^ that was a fast close

TùxCräftîñg

when a off-topic challenge is posted on TNB, it's closed really quickly

So, TuxCrafting, the point that I pinged you with that was that you, as a member of the web of guys, can chat there :D

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 congrats on 1K

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